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***Official WIS Sim XIII Draft Thread - The HoVG (3 Viewers)
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timschochet
Footballguy
I am considering this with a friend, but I need to know what the timing of the draft is- how long we have, etc. THX
timschochet
Footballguy
How many rounds? When does the clock start and when does it stop?When would the draft start?What minimum positions are we supposed to draft?What are the measurables being used for running the season? What's all this about drafting a stadium and a manager?All new to me, so any info would be helpful. That website has advice but I can't find the rules. TIA\
Eephus
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Looks like a whole lot of fun, but I'm just tied to too many things right now. Maybe next time, guys. Have fun with it!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I'll ask a guy at work tomorrow who might be interested. Vadrama who has played with us before might be up, I'll ask him also.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Come on, TRE. Do it for the D-Club Lounge.
RnR
Footballguy
GB, I can assure you it wasn't me that ruined this. The All-Rookie league idea would have endless possibilities for a good time... too bad these nerds aren't on board.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
1. BougD (5)
2. Kraft (6)
3. Dr. Detroit (9)
4. Arsenal of Doom (12)
5. Koya (18)
6. JFranco (19)
7. Grecospeare (23)
8. Mr.Phoenix (28)
9. Dungeon Master (29)
10. SNC (30)
11. HoosFirst (37)
12. Sammy (41)
13.SCBF (47)
14. Larry Boy (55)
15. Shakespeare II (70, won tiebreak)
16. Eephus (70)
17. Dirty Pskov (71)
18. RnR (75)
19. Pump (79)
20. Doug B (89)
21. TU (93)
22. Bogart (93, requested to be behind TU)
23. Sparty (94)
24. ????
I guess Doug B can pick at anytime?
2. Kraft (6)
3. Dr. Detroit (9)
4. Arsenal of Doom (12)
5. Koya (18)
6. JFranco (19)
7. Grecospeare (23)
8. Mr.Phoenix (28)
9. Dungeon Master (29)
10. SNC (30)
11. HoosFirst (37)
12. Sammy (41)
13.SCBF (47)
14. Larry Boy (55)
15. Shakespeare II (70, won tiebreak)
16. Eephus (70)
17. Dirty Pskov (71)
18. RnR (75)
19. Pump (79)
20. Doug B (89)
21. TU (93)
22. Bogart (93, requested to be behind TU)
23. Sparty (94)
24. ????
I guess Doug B can pick at anytime?
oso diablo
Footballguy
thanks for the PMs guys. do like the format. only concern is starting a new job next week and not sure about the strictness of web access at new company. on the other hand, i do have a Blackberry now, so could keep up with the draft that way. are you really starting today?seems like a format Oso would be all over
Doug B
Footballguy
Can I?...Quick help to save me some time: does anyone have a handy bare-bones list of MLB HOFers? Or a link to one?I can definitely scrounge one up, but if someone already has one handy, it'll save me time.
Doug B
Footballguy
My opinion: it's more important to get the league filled and give you a chance to roll for draft position than it is to start drafting right this second.thanks for the PMs guys. do like the format. only concern is starting a new job next week and not sure about the strictness of web access at new company. on the other hand, i do have a Blackberry now, so could keep up with the draft that way. Are you really starting today?seems like a format Oso would be all over
oso diablo
Footballguy
question: in the last one of these i played in, we did a die roll to determine which season we would get for a given player. doesn't look like this is part of it. so does the drafter just select which season he wants? and i assume that once a player is drafted, and a season selected, that the same player for a different season couldn't also be picked.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
correct
Kraft...
Footballguy
no dice rolls, you pick the year you want and no clones(I.E. a player can only be drafted once)
Doug B
Footballguy
How'd I miss that? Thanks :X
oso diablo
Footballguy
hmmm... so this will be a significant exercise in finding stud single seasons in the WIS database, not about picking the best available actual baseball players. i take it back: i don't like this format. hadn't thought it through. given this, and the new job thing, will have to pass once again. I have a prepared draft list for "best baseball players", but i don't have and won't be able to build a draft list for best WIS seasons.sorry, but thanks again for the invitation.
Doug B
Footballguy
Oso's objection is to sim-fishing, it seems. 1977-current format is still a sim-fish.
Eephus
Footballguy
If somebody wants to join in, they can roll and get slotted into the draft order. If we're still one short by the time Mr Phoenix gets back, he'll fill the league.My opinion: it's more important to get the league filled and give you a chance to roll for draft position than it is to start drafting right this second.thanks for the PMs guys. do like the format. only concern is starting a new job next week and not sure about the strictness of web access at new company. on the other hand, i do have a Blackberry now, so could keep up with the draft that way. Are you really starting today?seems like a format Oso would be all over
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Kind of, but it's much easier to search for 1977 to 2009 and just pick the best players there. With this, you have to search, then go back here and check to see if that player is excluded. Kind of a pain.Oso's objection is to sim-fishing, it seems. 1977-current format is still a sim-fish.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Quick way of seeing if a player is a HOF'er: In search, click the number to the far left, this will take you to the players baseball reference page. On the baseball ref page there will be a hall of fame banner near the top of that page. If you see that the player is not eligible. This won't include the cheaters but there aren't that many of them to remember(especially for those of us that have seen Eight men out a few dozen times).WA LA!Kind of, but it's much easier to search for 1977 to 2009 and just pick the best players there. With this, you have to search, then go back here and check to see if that player is excluded. Kind of a pain.
Doug B
Footballguy
I just put the list of HOFers into Excel in the "LastName, FirstName" format. VLOOKUP takes care of determining if someone is in the Hall.
Doug B
Footballguy
The hardest part, though I am managing to do it, is ferreting out the guys who have retired too late to eligible yet.What is the last-year-played cut-off? 2003 or 2004?
Eephus
Footballguy
2003. Rickey Henderson's last year (so far)2004 retirees will have their first shot at HoF induction next year. I thought about adding 2004-2008 retirees to post #3 but I couldn't find a good list on B-R or elsewhere. If anybody knows where to find this, please shoot me a link.ETA: found a list of recent retirees and added to post #3
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Doug B
Footballguy
Yeah, what you suggest will pretty much suffice. I'm glad Eephus posted a list all the same.I'm not using the WIS Draft Center. Instead, I am whittling down my WIS XII lists (which is just WIS Draft Center data poured into Excel). So knowing who the recent retirees are, below the star-level players, allows me to have a "perfect" draft list.
Kraft...
Footballguy
will you be sharing DOUGBSHEET?Yeah, what you suggest will pretty much suffice. I'm glad Eephus posted a list all the same.
I'm not using the WIS Draft Center. Instead, I am whittling down my WIS XII lists (which is just WIS Draft Center data poured into Excel). So knowing who the recent retirees are, below the star-level players, allows me to have a "perfect" draft list.
Eephus
Footballguy
Keep in mind the 2004-2008 retirees list is not complete. I got the list from the HoF website but it only includes players who met the length of career criteria for being on the ballot. A player who had a brief career ending in 2006 wouldn't appear in post #3 but would still be ineligible for this sim.
I'm not using the WIS Draft Center. Instead, I am whittling down my WIS XII lists (which is just WIS Draft Center data poured into Excel). So knowing who the recent retirees are, below the star-level players, allows me to have a "perfect" draft list.
Eephus
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
...Went about 20 different directions before settling on this guy as Boug D's cornerstone:
1 . 1 ( 1 ) Boug D : 3B Rosen, Al 1953
Doug B
Footballguy
That's OK ... it made it easier to weed out the better 2000s guys.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
So we have a 24th?
Doug B>Nice pick
Doug B>Nice pick
Doug B
Footballguy
Nope ... Oso and timschochet backed off. Vadrama is welcome if you can get him in.
Eephus
Footballguy
I haven't had time to start researching yet but my guess based on the six season dice roll league is that there will less pitching scarcity than hitting1 . 2 ( 2 ) Kraft : Mike Scott SP
A few elite pitchers and i wanted one of them, stings not to take a bat though
Sammy3469
Footballguy
actually its about the same, but once we get past the first 2 rounds it won't really matter. There are a few sim-fish hitting years, but generally the HOF-voters have taken all the good guys especially offensive guys at non-1B/OF positions. There are generally more sim-fish pitching years, but there are more of them. So net-net the values of the hitters and pitchers evens out.I haven't had time to start researching yet but my guess based on the six season dice roll league is that there will less pitching scarcity than hitting1 . 2 ( 2 ) Kraft : Mike Scott SP
A few elite pitchers and i wanted one of them, stings not to take a bat though
Eephus
Footballguy
The HoF voters aversion to RPs should make that position pretty much the same as any other all-time leegSammy3469 said:actually its about the same, but once we get past the first 2 rounds it won't really matter. There are a few sim-fish hitting years, but generally the HOF-voters have taken all the good guys especially offensive guys at non-1B/OF positions. There are generally more sim-fish pitching years, but there are more of them. So net-net the values of the hitters and pitchers evens out.Eephus said:I haven't had time to start researching yet but my guess based on the six season dice roll league is that there will less pitching scarcity than hittingKraft... said:1 . 2 ( 2 ) Kraft : Mike Scott SP
A few elite pitchers and i wanted one of them, stings not to take a bat though
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Kraft...
Footballguy
#24?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Not quite the same since most elite seasons are ineligible since they are HOF-ineligible (post 2003 retirement), but since all the elite season have been eliminated, the position holding the same relative value as in drafts past. Put it this way, unlike previous drafts when there were clearly wrong picks after the first 3 rounds, its virutally impossible to mess up this time around since most guys have negible value.The HoF voters aversion to RPs should make that position pretty much the same as any other all-time leegSammy3469 said:actually its about the same, but once we get past the first 2 rounds it won't really matter. There are a few sim-fish hitting years, but generally the HOF-voters have taken all the good guys especially offensive guys at non-1B/OF positions. There are generally more sim-fish pitching years, but there are more of them. So net-net the values of the hitters and pitchers evens out.Eephus said:I haven't had time to start researching yet but my guess based on the six season dice roll league is that there will less pitching scarcity than hittingKraft... said:1 . 2 ( 2 ) Kraft : Mike Scott SP
A few elite pitchers and i wanted one of them, stings not to take a bat though
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I need to look over some stuff before picking. I honestly thought Rosen would be available at #3 and the two guys who I thought would go 1 and 2 are still available so I have to figure out if I want to go hitter or pitcher.