Michael Brown
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***OFFICIAL Yankees vs Indians ALDS Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
2 ABs with runners in scoring position and he K'd both times tonight. Only one other AB for the entire team with a runner in scoring position.I can't see how he doesn't shoulder a big part of the blame for them losing tonight.The other scapegoat is obviously Posada. Just a horrific display of defensive catching tonight which allowed the tying run to get into scoring position and score on those two passed balls.ETA: I see they were both called WPs, not passed balls. Debatable on both, but the effort to prevent them sucked.I don't think anyone is saying it's all A-Rod's fault. But as the best player and hitter on the team, you can't honestly put as much blame on Doug Mientkiewicz, Posada, and Damon as you do on A-Rod. That's why he gets recognition as the best player. You expect some of those other guys to fail more often than not. A-Rod hit 50+ HR and drove in 150+ and should win the MVP going away. So fans expect him to produce in run-producing moments in the playoffs like, oh I don't know...Manny Ramirez?The Yankees, as a team, have 8 hits in 20 innings this series so far. But yeah, it is all A-Rod's fault. Yep, that makes sense.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
you already said joba is THE yankee stud ???
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
because they SHOULD win these games. you can say it's just #####ing, but the $$ they spend says they should win these games. that's it. nothing else. anything but a WS win is a FAILURE to this team. that must suck.
Your Mother
Footballguy
18:4 GB:FB for Carmona today. Wow.
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Insoxicated
Reaper
Footballguy
GOT PLAYOFFS????You're moving a notch down my Poster rankings every week lately
I'd STILL rather be IN IT than NOT.... Stuff like this doesn't Bug me, I've seen enough playoff baseball to know Anything CAN happen... When it's your year the stuff just happens differently. 
Met fans 
As if they didn't take enough of a beating.
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I don't take any anger or damage to my Yankee pride from these two losses...particularly last night. Sometimes you just come across a player who is better than you. Fausto Carmona was exactly that player. That win last night was all his. Cleveland's offense didn't get the job done against an almost as good Pettite and their tying run came on the wings of a bunch of Canadian Soliders. Carmona was that game. That being said, I'm not throwing in the towel yet as the Indians as a team haven't shown me enough to think that they are superior.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I love the money excuse.DA RAIDERS said:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
GREAT game last night! One to remember.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Funny how those bugs didnt seem to bother the Indians pitchers as much...I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.
GB Yankee fansDarth Cheney
Footballguy
Did you watch the game? Did you think Chamberlain was bothered by the bugs? GB fans of a team I'm trying to compliment but some of whom are too toolish to realize that.Funny how those bugs didnt seem to bother the Indians pitchers as much...I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Very unhappy. Yankeefan is getting upset!
Reaper
Footballguy
GREAT game last night! One to remember.
Nice win on your part... If the Yanks can't make it, I'lll be rooting for Cleveland and the Cubs... Two real good sets of fans.Cleveland fans seem like good people...... Can't think of and Cleveland Tools..
top dog
Footballguy
That is true.. Just like weather conditions.. both teams had to play through it... But you can't deny that Chamberlain was obviously rattled out there.. He was lights out the previous inning and then just fell apart once he was swarmed with bugs... EVERYONE was frustrated dealing with those things.. Hitters were calling time to spit and wipe their eyes, pitchers had to focus on the catcher with those things on their neck, eyes and mouth...Funny how those bugs didnt seem to bother the Indians pitchers as much...I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.
:YES, Chamberlain let it get to him more than the Indians pitchers but I don't think it's fair to say that it was all his fault either. Those things were all over the place!I'm an Indians fan and have dealt with midges comming off the lake over the years. I've never been so happy to see a swarm of those things! If they hadn't swarmed, I think Joba probably gets the job done that inning.
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Reaper
Footballguy
I'm not seeing that at all.....More like a reaction of JEEZ, anything can happen...I think Yankee fans have seen enough of playoff baseball to know #### happens unexpectedly and when you win, those things go your way...Just look at that Sox fan that grabs the ball last night - For the Cubs that went the other way - For the Yankees, they got one of those one year...It happens...Joba couldn't handel the Bugs...HATS OFF TO CLEVELAND AND SOME GREAT FANS!!!!! Time to come to NY.Funny how those bugs didnt seem to bother the Indians pitchers as much...I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.
Reaper
Footballguy
Another non-Tool GREAT Indian fan...You guys ROCK!!!!!Congrats again - see ya in NY
top dog
Footballguy
BTW I had to go back and edit that.. I meant to say that Joba probably GETS the job done that inning if it hadn't been for the bugs.... Not that I didn't think he would have gotten the job done.I think I had to edited that post 3 times.Another non-Tool GREAT Indian fan...You guys ROCK!!!!!Congrats again - see ya in NY
It's been a long week in NY being a Mets fan. Caught grief everywhere I turned - wife - family - friends and co-workers. But misery is always rooting for company. And I've always like watching baseball - regardless of the teams involved.Joba is clearly not lord of the flies though. Carmona was spitting them out like sunflower seed shells.Comes down to Clemens getting his 1st start in 3 weeks and Wang who is much better at home but will be going on 3 days rest.IF there is a Game 5 the Indians will be throwing a rested CC/Carmona tandem at them.Reaper said:GOT PLAYOFFS????You're moving a notch down my Poster rankings every week latelyooofffaaa said:
DropKick
Footballguy
What does the Boston payroll have to do with anything? Is it that the Yankee payroll is still more than the Red Sox and Nationals COMBINED?It is what it is. New York has and will have an undeniable economic advantage over every team in baseball. Yes, there are other teams large market teams with high payrolls but New York has set the inflationary precedent. One of the reasons I give great credit to the Oaklands and Minnesotas who put together very good teams under far greater constraints.
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Sorry, bro.We'll always have the Fair Tax.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
it's not an excuse. it's a fact. next year if the devil rays dropped 200M down on the payroll they would be expected to win & win big. when you outspend your nearest competitor by 30% you will run into words like "should win". like i said, it must suck to be on that team & fail. unless you're just there to collect a paycheck...of which i think there are a few on that team.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Don't wanna go find it now, but he was crooning over the Yankees pen in the spring. I remember bumping it as the great wall began to crack.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
So if the Sox lose they fall into the same category? It kind of takes away from any spendthrift team that beats a money team doesn't it? I would figure that every player in the MLB wouldn't try to use this excuse. You can lose a game by your own mistakes and ineptitude. You can also lose a game by another team being better than you. That another team is better than you has nothing to do with your payroll.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
to a certain extent, in regards to the sox, yes. it was a ####### travesty that we missed the playoffs last year! 3rd place, with that kind of payroll, ridiculous. but it's still not even close to the yanks.it's like the usa basketball team. how on earth do we ever lose? until the yanks stop buying every big name thet can get their hands on, not only will they probably not win, they will continue to be hated.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
First of all, trying to argue the Sox payroll versus the Yanks payroll is like arguing whether you want to get hit by an atomic bomb or a neutron bomb.....alot of people don't see the difference and the difference doesn't really matter. I don't think there are many fans who feel for the plight of the poor Boston RedSox and their noble endeavor to try and keep up with the Evil Empire. They just see a Slightly Less Evil Empire. Secondly, there is a big difference between the Yankees and USA basketball. If MLB contracts were voided every year and players free to go wherever they want...yes that would be a serious problem as a team with the resources like the Yanks could build a legitimate All-Star team year after year. That being said, the funds available do give the Yankees an advantage... it lets them bury mistakes better than other teams. But it doesn't give them a significant advantage...particularly when other teams combine making smart roster decisions with reorganizing their organizations to win with youth. Personally, if I were fans of other MLB teams, I would love it if the Yanks continued to utilize the "throw #### against the wall to see if sticks" mentality of building a roster ( I think that that has kind of stopped though), because if they significantly changed their organization to better mine for youth, the money the team makes could hold onto those players indefinitely and seriously upset the balance of the game. It does not let them however field a better team. And as far as the "Should make the playoffs", "should make the World Series", "should win the World Series every year" comments.....those are just dumb....when they are both said by Yankee fans and echoed by Yankee haters. Just within the playoffs of the past few years we've see how Bartmans, Meirs, Canadian Soldiers, K-Rods, Idiots, Becketts, Zumayas and a number of other relatively uncounted on entities change playoff games and series.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Reaper rules.Another non-Tool GREAT Indian fan...You guys ROCK!!!!!Congrats again - see ya in NY
Bobcat10
Footballguy
We do realize Joba was bothered by the bugs, and I bet Dought does too. But it is very fair to say that Indians pitchers had to deal with them too. This is not something that lasted Joba's 2nd inning only. Fausto was dealing with them the half inning prior an both teams dealt with them in the 9th. Fausto even let a Yankee reach 2nd base.Did you watch the game? Did you think Chamberlain was bothered by the bugs? GB fans of a team I'm trying to compliment but some of whom are too toolish to realize that.Funny how those bugs didnt seem to bother the Indians pitchers as much...I agree. I'm not happy about the bugs (as I do think that they were the sole reason that Chamberlain was wild) but that's part of the game. This was one of the better pitching matchups I've ever seen with Carmona's dominance and the Yankee ptichers resiliance in getting out of jams.GREAT game last night! One to remember.GB Yankee fans
After the 9th, seemed like the bugs retreated somewhat. I think it was a dusk/humidity thing.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i'm not comparing the yanks & the sox. i'm answering the original question put forth by shadyrider.people ####### hate the yanks. some hate thesox, just not as much or as many. become lovable losers & less people will care about how much $$ you spend. arod to the cubs?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
The Yankees could go 0-162 and I would still hate them. But that's just me.
igbomb
Footballguy
I really hope that the Yankees fans get their wish and somehow manage to drive the greatest player of his generation out of town only to see him sign with another team, light it up in the regular season AND playoffs, all while the Yankees founder with their bloated payroll of past their prime players.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
me too! i would wallow in it....Tom Servo said:
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
sounds good yo me!igbomb said:
wilked
Footballguy
Starting with Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, New York has played seven postseason games facing elimination. The Yankees are 1-6 in those games when fighting for their playoff lives. The only time they lived to see another day? Game 4 of the 2005 ALDS when they won behind Shawn Chacon and Al Leiter.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
If it happens, it happens. Let me preface any of this by saying, this is assuming the trend continues this posteason that A-Rod stays hitless with poor ABs, maybe a few K's with men on base. The meltdown completes. Now in someways, he's sunk no matter what happens. It wouldn't have been the disaster we're seeing, but lets say A-Rod had been hitting and the team had been going down like this. Media being media would have twisted that into the story. "Sure he hits, but he can't lift the team."This postseason stuff was a thing in New York ALL SEASON. It was a silly hypothetical for the most part, asking A-Rod and anyone associated with him "how will A-Rod do in the postseason". Last year was a lost year all around for A-Rod, down regular season, probably too overmuscled, bad defense, hearing it from fans and culminated in the postseason. His phoniness oozed and left fans discontented. This spring, he did seem different, right from the start by being upfront but not gossipy about his relationship from Jeter. The guy who tried too hard to be liked stop trying to be liked and guess what, people liked him. Then into the regular, the guy who tried to hard to hit homers last year, SEEMED to try to stop hitting homers, focused on driving the ball the other way, and he goes out and have one of the great seasons on one of the great teams ever. I and a lot of other Yank fans had figured he'd gotten his head right, and he was ready to get all this other stuff behind him. It hasn't played out that way. It was actually a complete reversion. And again, I stress that this is pending that he still can't get it straightened out. But to this point, its not that he's hitless, its how he's hitless. First pitch pop-ups and strikeouts when swinging at balls. He's got that lost look in his eyes, and he had enjoyed success with Carmona, Sabathia and Jacobs Field. Carmona was nasty but Sabathia was brutal(I guess he only had one offical AB against him anyway). My big thing for getting rid of him is avoiding another season of this. And it will only amplified off this postseason. I don't know whats going to make him choke the bat the next postseason. Drama drove this team in this town for a long time, but in the current era, drama is not good for business. Its all probably moot, Steinbrenner in an interview today basically said that he wants A-Rod back, so as long as the boss is the boss and cutting the check, we'll see him here.igbomb said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't know, but over the last three seasons, the Yankees have a grand total of three playoff wins. Three. That's as many as the Rockies and D-Backs just won this week. Given their massive payroll, Torre eventually is going to take the brunt of the blame for their constant post-season failures.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Some midges quotes:
I had a good feeling about Carmona the other day. I'm feeling just as confident about the Tribe getting to Clemens. The only question will be how bad the Yanks get to Westbrook.Wedge has continued to say...he will start Byrd in game 4 if there is one. I'm guessing he'd then use CC and Carmona if he had to in a game 5. I think it's very intruiging to start CC in a game 4 on short rest (even though short rest usually doesn't mean a good outing) and come back with full rested Carmona if you have to in game 5.But, a win today and that all means nothing.
Capella
Footballguy
uhhh...link?
top dog
Footballguy
top dog
Footballguy
Apparently Steinbrenner was a little irritated by the midge invasion that night.. Quote from that article:
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Two batters into the game, one play Miekvitz could have made.
Lets see if this run pushes across and means anything OR if Giambi or Matsui does anything. Terrible to give up Doug's D for Matsui's tepid bat.
Oh well, we'll miss you Joe.
Lets see if this run pushes across and means anything OR if Giambi or Matsui does anything. Terrible to give up Doug's D for Matsui's tepid bat.
Oh well, we'll miss you Joe.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
This is gonna be a 9-7 game or something. 
