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Ogun for Booker + 3rd (2 Viewers)

Couch Potato

Footballguy
Dolphins | Ogunleye for Booker Deal Pending - from www.KFFL.comSat, 21 Aug 2004 12:06:00 -0700Jay Glazer, of Foxsports.com, reports the Miami Dolphins have agreed to trade DE Adewale Ogunleye to the Chicago Bears for WR Marty Booker and a third-round draft choice in 2005. The deal, however, is dependent upon the Bears working out a contract agreement with Ogunleye by 7 p.m. ET Saturday, Aug. 21. If a deal cannot be reached, the trade will not be complete.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Booker - Stock DownTerrel - Stock Skyrocketing(Yahoo in '99 skyrocketing)Gage - Same as TerrelChambers - Slight Dip

 

Steelers4Life

Footballguy
WOW... the Bears must REALLY have a lot of faith in David Terrell if this is true, and as a guy who owns him in 2 dynasty leagues, all I can say is :excited: .I'll believe it when I see it's official though...

 

Wheelhouse

Footballguy
Wow, if this happens it really bumps up the value of a few guys. All the sudden, Chicago's WR corps doesn't look that good, but they have potential. I hear the Bears really like Bobby Wade. WR Depth ChartJustin Gage, although he caught only 17 balls in 2003David Terrell: 43 rec in 2003, only 1 TDBobby Wade: 2nd year - Could see significantly more timeBernard Berrian: Rookie 3rd rounder. May need ramp-up time.Bears offensive coordinator Terry Shea on Bobby Wade (before any such Booker trade rumors): "Bobby Wade is sensational. He's a terrific talent, and we're going to take advantage of him."

 
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PewterFan

Footballguy
Gotta love the preseason when the Ron Daynes and David Terrell's are pimped only to be forgotten once week 2 comes around.rex grossman = stock even more down.

 

babydemon90

Footballguy
Gotta love the preseason when the Ron Daynes and David Terrell's are pimped only to be forgotten once week 2 comes around.rex grossman = stock even more down.
Any Terrell hype has nothing to do with pre-season play, and everything to do with if Booker leaves.
 

Drugrunner

Just call me HORSE
Terrell's value just Skyrocketed! He went from totally worthless to possibly useful. Waiting for Chris Smith to step in here. ;)

 
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babydemon90

Footballguy
Terrell's value just Skyrocketed! He went from totally worthless to possibly useful. ;)
IDP wise.... there goes the Michael Haynes value. Or do you think Haynes will still get some playing time?
 

Steelers4Life

Footballguy
Gotta love the preseason when the Ron Daynes and David Terrell's are pimped only to be forgotten once week 2 comes around.rex grossman = stock even more down.
Any Terrell hype has nothing to do with pre-season play, and everything to do with if Booker leaves.
I don't know about that.He's gotten good reviews this preseason and is set to start alongside Booker right now.I HAVE to believe that if the Bears weren't confident that they can replace Booker's production, they wouldn't consider dealing him. Considering that Terrell was set to be the other starter, I have to believe the Bears have liked what they've seen out of him.The talent is there. Maybe he's got his head on straight now.
 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Why would this hurt Chambers' value? Having a legit second WR only helps.
Generally speaking the WR#2 will steal targets if he is comparable to the WR#1. One could counterargue that Chambers will see looser coverage but I think in general that is not as strong of an argument.This has been debated about once a month on this board for years. For the record I'm in the camp that says this hurts Chambers' value slightly...not significantly, but slightly.
 

yetiknight

Footballguy
IDP wise.... there goes the Michael Haynes value. Or do you think Haynes will still get some playing time?
I think this improves Alex Brown's value as the bookend to O-Gun. O-Gun probably stays about the same. He is most likely going to lead the team in sacks.
 
Dolphins | Ogunleye for Booker Deal Pending - from www.KFFL.comSat, 21 Aug 2004 12:06:00 -0700Jay Glazer, of Foxsports.com, reports the Miami Dolphins have agreed to trade DE Adewale Ogunleye to the Chicago Bears for WR Marty Booker and a third-round draft choice in 2005. The deal, however, is dependent upon the Bears working out a contract agreement with Ogunleye by 7 p.m. ET Saturday, Aug. 21. If a deal cannot be reached, the trade will not be complete.
Seems to me they would have been better off acquiring A-Train.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
IDP wise.... there goes the Michael Haynes value. Or do you think Haynes will still get some playing time?
I think this improves Alex Brown's value as the bookend to O-Gun. O-Gun probably stays about the same. He is most likely going to lead the team in sacks.
I (on the other hand) think this would hurt Brown's value. O-Gun would be a 3-down DE, while Haynes will be used a run-stuffer and Brown will be used as a pass-rusher. How do you say "DE by committee..." DEBC??
 

Drugrunner

Just call me HORSE
Interesting to see that the Deal hinges on Chicago getting Ogunleye signed to a Contract by 7:00 PM EST tonight. That's within the next 3 hours. This could easily fall apart, and be nothing.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Interesting to see that the Deal hinges on Chicago getting Ogunleye signed to a Contract by 7:00 PM EST tonight. That's within the next 3 hours. This could easily fall apart, and be nothing.
I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. That seems odd.
 

packersfan

Footballguy
Why would this hurt Chambers' value? Having a legit second WR only helps.
I agree. Booker is a good WR and he'll alleviate the pressure Chambers was otherwise going to receive from defenses. If you had downgraded Chambers after the Boston injury, I'd move him back up to where you had him originally -- and maybe even a little higher if you like Booker more than you liked Boston coming into this season. If this trade goes through, the Dolphins' offense clearly has gotten better. Booker's value obviously takes a hit since he goes from being the clear No. 1 WR to a No. 2 in Miami. I was hoping he'd be a nice late-round value pick. He's still going to go in the late rounds, but the value isn't as strong. But I think he still has respectable value as a WR3. The Bears' passing game could be dreadful this season. They lack a proven WR and obviously Grossman isn't proven at QB. If anything, this could help Thomas Jones because with Booker gone and no proven WRs, Grossman could end up throwing even more often to Jones out of the backfield. Desmond Clark could see an increase in value as well At WR,I'd upgrade Terrell on the basis that he'll likely be the No. 1, but he's flamed out before and so I wouldn't upgrade him too much. Gage remains an end-of-the draft flyer. Grossman should remain undrafted in non-dynasty leagues.
 

Wheelhouse

Footballguy
The Bears play the 49ers tonight for their 2nd pre-season game. If this trade goes down, you can be sure they will take a long hard look at Berrian and Wade.

 

Drunken Cowboy

Footballguy
If they are going to trade o-gun I can't believe it is not for a rb. Trading a top pass rusher for a 2nd wr just doesn't make a lot of sense. It is hard to believe they have that much faith in Minor.

 

Packster

Footballguy
Why does everyone think this sends Booker's value down? Or that he will be wr2 in Miami?Chambers is a vertical threat, Booker is better in the middle. Seems like a strong combination where Booker is likely to be more consistent in scoring and Chambers is likely to have more boom-bust games. This should help both; remember Moulds-Price. The QBs at both ends are marginal, but Miami is going to throw a lot given their RB mess.All said and done, I don't know whether this is a big change in status for Booker (either way), but I'm surprised at some of the posts suggesting this definitely hurts him.My 2 cents (btw, I own Booker in (just) one league).P

 

yetiknight

Footballguy
IDP wise.... there goes the Michael Haynes value. Or do you think Haynes will still get some playing time?
I think this improves Alex Brown's value as the bookend to O-Gun. O-Gun probably stays about the same. He is most likely going to lead the team in sacks.
I (on the other hand) think this would hurt Brown's value. O-Gun would be a 3-down DE, while Haynes will be used a run-stuffer and Brown will be used as a pass-rusher. How do you say "DE by committee..." DEBC??
Most defensive lineman are by committee in the NFL. Every team has some sort of rotation. In Chicago Brown is more like to be an every down player than his comrades on the D-line. O-Gun is clearly the better pass rusher and Haynes is the better runstopper. They would probably be subbing for each other in most cases.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
I'm neither a Phins nor a Bears fan, but I think Miami did well with this deal. There's no doubting O-Gun's talents. However...I would rather have Booker plus a 3rd over O-Gun for only the final 6-8 games (assuming he holds-out the first 10 or so weeks of the season). More importantly, O-Gun would have been a UFA at season's end if a deal had not been worked-out.Booker + 3rd >>> O-Gun for a handful of games and goodbye in '05

 

bueno

In a class by himself
Would not have this deal made more sense for both teams if it involved A-Train instead of Booker? I can't fathom the RB position being a lesser concern for Miami and A-Train is dead weight if Chicago trusts Jones.

 

Couch Potato

Footballguy
A couple of points.1) One reason it hurts Booker's value is that WRs can't go from one team to another three weeks into August and just pick up where they left off, not with a new QB, system, terminology, etc.2) Don't be surprised if Miami turns that 3rd round pick into another trade for a RB. With CBuck going down in Philly, Miami may feel compelled to accelerate a deal for someone who is on their radar before they end up in competition with the Eagles.

 
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LHUCKS

Footballguy
I'm neither a Phins nor a Bears fan, but I think Miami did well with this deal. There's no doubting O-Gun's talents. However...I would rather have Booker plus a 3rd over O-Gun for only the final 6-8 games (assuming he holds-out the first 10 or so weeks of the season). More importantly, O-Gun would have been a UFA at season's end if a deal had not been worked-out.Booker + 3rd >>> O-Gun for a handful of games and goodbye in '05
I think this deal helps both teams. There were rumors that Booker wasn't a great fit for the Chicago Offense. Also, Chicago was/is deep at WR as Wade is a great talent and will fill in nicely at the #3 spot. Chicago needed defensive help and O-Gun is definitley an improvement. I like the deal for both teams.
 

sheerterror

Footballguy
The fact of the matter is that with a DE as good as Ogun, the Phins should have tried to move him for an RB upgrade. As someone said earlier, are they that confident in Minor that they would want to "waste" trade bait on another receiver?

 

RustyFA

Footballguy
Also, Chicago was/is deep at WR as Wade is a great talent and will fill in nicely at the #3 spot.
Merritt-3 catches for 50 yards 0TDs. 19 career receptions.Wade 12 catches for 137 yards 0TDs. 12 career recepts.Terrell 43 catches for 361 yards (8.3 avg) 1 TD. 86 career receptions for 903 yards and 8 TDs.Gage 17 catches for 338 yards 2 TDs. 17 career receptions.Daryl Jones 8 catches for 90 yards in 2002 with NYG.Berrian, Boone, Elliot, and Forde=no experience.Where is this depth? 75 receptions coming back from last year for 886 yards and 3 TDs.
 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Also, Chicago was/is deep at WR as Wade is a great talent and will fill in nicely at the #3 spot.
Merritt-3 catches for 50 yards 0TDs. 19 career receptions.Wade 12 catches for 137 yards 0TDs. 12 career recepts.Terrell 43 catches for 361 yards (8.3 avg) 1 TD. 86 career receptions for 903 yards and 8 TDs.Gage 17 catches for 338 yards 2 TDs. 17 career receptions.Daryl Jones 8 catches for 90 yards in 2002 with NYG.Berrian, Boone, Elliot, and Forde=no experience.Where is this depth? 75 receptions coming back from last year for 886 yards and 3 TDs.
In terms of experience, you're right their depth is lacking. I was talking in terms of talent...which in my book is more important. Especially since the offense is new to everyone.
 

ffweasel

Weasel Power
I believe this deal, if it goes through, will benefit both teams. Miami does have concerns elsewhere offensively, but the addition of Booker can only open up the offense more. Chicago obviously gains an incredible pass rusher. I can't see them striking a deal with O-Gun so quickly however if the deal needs to be done by tonight.On a personal note I just drafted Booker to go along with Chambers and Burress. Ouch.

 

Couch Potato

Footballguy
Booker - Stock DownTerrel - Stock Skyrocketing(Yahoo in '99 skyrocketing)Gage - Same as TerrelChambers - Slight Dip
Chi D = stock upMia D = stock downAin't I a jeenyus? :P
From the looks of your Survivor draft...no. :P back atchya. :D
Hey, wait a minute. Yeah, I have Booker in Survivor, but I just realized I have the Bears D too.*dancin' again* :thumbup:
 

Ed4252

Footballguy
Couldn't Miami have gotten both Booker and A Thomas for Ogun? Wouldnt that have been a better deal than getting Booker and the 3rd.or do you think they'll now trade a 1st and that 3rd for Henry.

 
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ffweasel

Weasel Power
Couldn't Miami have gotten both Booker and A Thomas for Ogun? Wouldnt that have been a better deal than getting Booker and the 3rd.
What you are saying is that Thomas is comparable to a 3rd round pick. I don't believe that to be the case. Anthony has a bit of talent but for some reason does not fit into what Chicago is trying to do offensively. In other words, Miami would have to part with more than just O-Gun for the pair you mentioned imo.
 

Couch Potato

Footballguy
Couldn't Miami have gotten both Booker and A Thomas for Ogun? Wouldnt that have been a better deal than getting Booker and the 3rd.or do you think they'll now trade a 1st and that 3rd for Henry.
They probably tried, but Chi isn't ready to give up Thomas so fast. Just my guess.
 

jbird5150

Footballguy
As a Bears fan, I LOVE this deal. Marty's been good to us and we'll miss him, but the Bears are heavy in WR talent. I'm just surprised they didn't ask for Brock Forsey or Adrian Petersen as well. :confused: Ogun in the Beloved Orange and Blue. I've been drooling over this since the first rumor appeared. :excited:

 

Mr.Squidward

Footballguy
Couldn't Miami have gotten both Booker and A Thomas for Ogun? Wouldnt that have been a better deal than getting Booker and the 3rd.or do you think they'll now trade a 1st and that 3rd for Henry.
Thomas prolly isn't part of this deal because Angelo doesn't really want to trade him... or at least thats what I have always read. I think Angelo is probably hedging his bets against the Jones signing.This is a A+ deal for Angelo if it goes through. Booker was not a fit in the offense and even though he would have been an ideal security blanket for Grossman, you have to keep in mind the type of (and quality of) recievers that KC has. If the Bears truely plan to run a KC type system, this makes sense. In fact, it makes even more sense with all of the talk I have heard about L. Smith wanting to continually rotate his DLineman.I think you can bump up T.Jones stock a little more, although you may not see dividends from Jones until next year.Now if only Jerry could figure out a way to iron out all the question marks in my 2nd tier of RB's for this year....
 

railman305

Footballguy
IMO, i think this really helps Gages value, he will at least be the number 2, I think terrel is a lost cause<<proud gage dynasty owner :D

 

ILUVBEER99

Footballguy
A couple of points.1) One reason it hurts Booker's value is that WRs can't go from one team to another three weeks into August and just pick up where they left off, not with a new QB, system, terminology, etc.2) Don't be surprised if Miami turns that 3rd round pick into another trade for a RB. With CBuck going down in Philly, Miami may feel compelled to accelerate a deal for someone who is on their radar before they end up in competition with the Eagles.
Couch Potato,I would like to personally thank you for dropping Terrell in Misfits III dynasty league allowing me to snatch him up for nothing.Yours truly,CHEESEHEAD
 
Sorry but the deal makes no sense to me. Yes Booker is a pretty good WR but Miami's offense was geared to be run first so like so others have already said why no RB in this deal? Also I'd think there would be bigger/better offers for O-gun out there then this. I know you could never have enough pass rushers so why didn't Miami get more in return, even if it was potential draft picks? Miami has QB issues.As for the Bears, I liked Gage before and now even like him more. I don't think Terrell's value increases but the other youngster's values raise up. Obviously Miami's D goes down, curious who becomes the other pass rusher now.... perhaps someone like Eddie Moore now? Williams and Bowens don't do anything for me.

 

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