Redskins-Rams deal done for 2 pick (1 Viewer)

[Warrior]

If you look at this logically, it really was a good move for the Skins.

In return for a franchise QB, all they had to give up was the #6 and 2nd rounder, plus #32 overall next season and #32 overall in 2014. That's a great deal for the Skins.

 

[MAC_32]

I'll be honest, I'd be hugely disappointed if the Browns did this deal and the skins were going to have to sit at 6.

Same here. But I guess some folks think the Browns made out better than the Redskins.

It's different. You guys are a lot closer to building a contender than we were. You have a leader in the defense (assuming Fletcher re-signs), some great pass rushers (Orakpo and Kerrigan), established play makers on offense (Moss and Davis), quality role players (Cofield, DeAngelo Hall), and some potential upside (Hankerson, Helu, Riley). Get a WR, two DB's, and two OL's in free agency (only the WR must be higher end) and you have at worst an average team and likely a decent team in 2012. Not a playoff team, but certainly 8-8 give or take.Plus you have a coaching staff and front office that fit RG3 better. I'm fairly certain Shurmur will not adjust his scheme to cater to RG3's strengths and given Heckert's anti free agency mind we wouldn't have the talent around him to succeed until this regime is shown the door. The Skins are willing to get free agents in there to help in the interim until you have picks again and Shanny's system much better fits a guy with RG3's skill set. If the Browns made this trade I'm wary we'd have a new regime in place by 2014 ready to blow the ship up again. I still think RG3 would succeed, but it may be 4-5 years before he does and with his rookie contract up at that point who knows what the new regime in here would do. Knowing our luck we'd move on and he'd succeed elsewhere.Enough rambling, I've been looking for a NFC team to latch onto because my team sucks so...go Skins!

 

[fatness]

On draft day last year, Heckert, whom Browns president Mike Holmgren referred to in January as “my car salesman friend,” pulled off a blockbuster deal with the Atlanta Falcons that put the Browns in perfect position to move up for RG3. Heckert netted the No. 22 pick from the Falcons, the leverage to go for broke, then couldn’t close.

The Browns will continue to comb the supermarket aisle, minor-league baseball (Oklahoma State’s Brandon Weeden) and the ranks of ex-receivers (Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill) for their diamond in the rough. They might think twice about free agents Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell or Kyle Orton. They could surround Colt McCoy with more talent and see if he blossoms. They might suffer through another lost season and end up with Southern Cal’s Matt Barkley in 2013.

Had the Browns struck boldly, Saturday morning could have felt like the Monday after the Super Bowl, with Browns fans waiting for parade plans to be announced. Instead, once again, the parade passed them by.

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[fatness]

It's different. You guys are a lot closer to building a contender than we were.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the relative team abilities before the trade. Cleveland has a pretty solid defense from what I've seen, and as a Skins fan I think the Skins defense has been pretty bad for 1-1/2 out of the last 2 seasons. The Browns offense never seemed enough to get them very far, despite the defense, though.

 

[pantherclub]

I don't really think it is an argument. Its pretty much common knowledge that top picks are worth more now that there is a rookie wage scale. The higher the pick, the more it is worth. Of course this varies per draft depending on team needs and the caliber of players available.

Worth more than what? The pick you're moving down to shows the difference in value.. Avoiding moving into a top 5 pick to avoid a high rookie salary only works if you aren't already holding a top 5 pick.. Manning who cost a #1 overall pick was traded for Rivers who cost a #4 overall pick..Truth of the matter is, usually teams let the negotiation build up till the draft, but in this case, no one was going to offer more than this ridiculous offer so the Rams had to jump on it.. "hurry up and sign, before the fools realize what they just offered"First round picks as a whole are worth more now because of rookie wage scale as well.. Skins just traded away 3 of those bad boys, including a top 6 pick... Ouch!!

Worth more than in year's past. I know it is relative to all picks. But as I mentioned twice before, value of the top picks is often relative to the draft. Obviously the first two picks are worth more to QB needy teams this year than they were last year. There are two elite grade QB's in this draft. So while it is true that the player drafted 6 slots to an even lower salary, he also isn't what the Redskins scouts believe is a franchise QB. Thus the cost to move up. Its not as if they were plush with options for franchise QB's (which is what they need). Getting Ryan Kerrigan's and Brian Orakpo level players is nice, but they aren't going anywhere without a top level QB. As for how the negotiations went down, we don't know that. But Schefter is saying that the Browns really stepped up their efforts for the trade, so it sounds like the time was now to do the deal. I'll be honest, I'd be hugely disappointed if the Browns did this deal and the skins were going to have to sit at 6.

I know you're a Skins fan, and I do see how you could be excited.. Nice to finally have a highly touted QB high draft prospect.. I just can't see paying so much..

Time will tell. If he brings stability and is a high level QB for them for the next decade, it will be worth it. If not, it won't be. Pretty simple.

Define high level? I'm curious of the expectations from Redskin fans.

Something between what Cam Newton and Andy Dalton did this past year with steady improvements each after for the next 4-5 years.

good luck with that

 

[Stitch]

Best player in the draft!

 

[cstu]

Best player in the draft!

Named Robert!

 

[Spike]

People who think this is a bad trade for the Redskins are missing the point. You can argue that you think RG3 will be great or you think he will suck. The fact of the matter is the Redskins are in dire need for a franchise QB. This team was desperate for a QB last year, but traded out from the chance of drafting Gabbert. So obviously they hold RG3 in high regard. Here were there other options at QB:1.) Stay put, draft Tannehill and then sign Orton. This would leave the skins in mediocrity next year and beyond that Tannehill has a much higher bust risk than RG3 in most expert's opinions. Sinking 3-4 more years into QB's that they are not sure is the answer is the wrong way to approach things. 2.) Stay put, sign Orton and draft a Brandon Weeden type. Second tier QB's have been a risky proposition at best in recent years. Again, they'd be in a position of hoping that the QB situation works out. 3.) Go balls out to sign Manning. Great QB, but the Skins need to get young, they aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year and Manning's window is pretty small. Also the team would be assuming a larger financial risk and would need to sink all their eggs into signing other big names to surround Manning. The Skins have been down this path before and it has not worked. 4.) Go balls out to sign Flynn. This was probably the next best option for them. Still, Flynn does carry some risk and would also bring a larger financial burden. They were never associated with Flynn and he doesn't seem to be a good fit for what they want to do.Ultimately, if RG3 is a pro bowl caliber QB, this is a good trade for Washington. If he is not a good QB, it is a bad trade. It is impossible to judge it now, but as a Skins fan I love it. Sure, it sucks not having the 2 first rounders and the 2nd rounder, but if RG3 turns out to be what the Redskins and most NFL experts think he can be, it will be well worth it. The option of taking a QB that you like but don't love like a Blaine Gabbert and toiling in the bottom half of the league for the next half a decade or more is not all that appealing to me and most other Skins fans. At least RG3 gives them a chance to be great again. What is the worst that can happen? They finish dead last in the NFC East the last 4 years? Bottom line, this team needed to take a chance, I love it.

Excellent post.I love the trade.It's a win-win as St. Louis maximized their value for the 1.02; the Redskins got the player they wanted.So, RIGHT NOW, they both did what they wanted so it's a win-win. How it turns out in 2/3/4/5 years is really not relevant. RIGHT NOW, they both did what they wanted to. Player evaluation is another whole different ball game.I love what this presages for the future.

 

[MAC_32]

It's different. You guys are a lot closer to building a contender than we were.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the relative team abilities before the trade. Cleveland has a pretty solid defense from what I've seen, and as a Skins fan I think the Skins defense has been pretty bad for 1-1/2 out of the last 2 seasons. The Browns offense never seemed enough to get them very far, despite the defense, though.

We can go back and forth about the defense, personalyl I think the Browns are over rated because opposing teams knew they didn't have to score much to win so they dumbed down their offense to just do what it took to win, but you can't argue about free agency philosophies. Trading upto get RG3 would require you to do more in free agency. Something the Browns won't do.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The cost for the player they want is THREE first rounders and a second rounder..

Then why did the Rams only gain 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder?

What did RGIII cost them?.... 3 first rounders, plus a second rounder... Do you disagree?Rams had RGII (or the necessary pick), Redskins wanted him.. What did they give up to get him?.. 4 picks total..

They gave up 4 picks and got 1 pick. 4-1=3[QUOTE='Barbie Doll]math is hard

[/QUOTE]A pick that they'll spend on RGIII, total cost of RGIII to Redskins is 4 picks.... Wow.. You having a bit of a hard time with this aren't you?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If you look at this logically, it really was a good move for the Skins.In return for a franchise QB, all they had to give up was the #6 and 2nd rounder, plus #32 overall next season and #32 overall in 2014. That's a great deal for the Skins.

LOL

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't really think it is an argument. Its pretty much common knowledge that top picks are worth more now that there is a rookie wage scale. The higher the pick, the more it is worth. Of course this varies per draft depending on team needs and the caliber of players available.

Worth more than what? The pick you're moving down to shows the difference in value.. Avoiding moving into a top 5 pick to avoid a high rookie salary only works if you aren't already holding a top 5 pick.. Manning who cost a #1 overall pick was traded for Rivers who cost a #4 overall pick..Truth of the matter is, usually teams let the negotiation build up till the draft, but in this case, no one was going to offer more than this ridiculous offer so the Rams had to jump on it.. "hurry up and sign, before the fools realize what they just offered"First round picks as a whole are worth more now because of rookie wage scale as well.. Skins just traded away 3 of those bad boys, including a top 6 pick... Ouch!!

Worth more than in year's past. I know it is relative to all picks. But as I mentioned twice before, value of the top picks is often relative to the draft. Obviously the first two picks are worth more to QB needy teams this year than they were last year. There are two elite grade QB's in this draft. So while it is true that the player drafted 6 slots to an even lower salary, he also isn't what the Redskins scouts believe is a franchise QB. Thus the cost to move up. Its not as if they were plush with options for franchise QB's (which is what they need). Getting Ryan Kerrigan's and Brian Orakpo level players is nice, but they aren't going anywhere without a top level QB. As for how the negotiations went down, we don't know that. But Schefter is saying that the Browns really stepped up their efforts for the trade, so it sounds like the time was now to do the deal. I'll be honest, I'd be hugely disappointed if the Browns did this deal and the skins were going to have to sit at 6.

I know you're a Skins fan, and I do see how you could be excited.. Nice to finally have a highly touted QB high draft prospect.. I just can't see paying so much..

Time will tell. If he brings stability and is a high level QB for them for the next decade, it will be worth it. If not, it won't be. Pretty simple.

Define high level? I'm curious of the expectations from Redskin fans.

Something between what Cam Newton and Andy Dalton did this past year with steady improvements each after for the next 4-5 years.

good luck with that

 

[fatness]

The cost for the player they want is THREE first rounders and a second rounder..

Then why did the Rams only gain 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder?

What did RGIII cost them?.... 3 first rounders, plus a second rounder... Do you disagree?Rams had RGII (or the necessary pick), Redskins wanted him.. What did they give up to get him?.. 4 picks total..

They gave up 4 picks and got 1 pick. 4-1=3[QUOTE='Barbie Doll]math is hard

A pick that they'll spend on RGIII, total cost of RGIII to Redskins is 4 picks.... Wow.. You having a bit of a hard time with this aren't you?

[/QUOTE]4 picks which the Rams will use on players.All picks are used on players, you do understand this, right? They don't sit on a shelf.

4 picks traded for 1 pick is a net difference of 3.

4 players chosen by one team vs. 1 player chosen by the other team is a net difference of 3.

Should we use apples to make it easier?

 

[duaneok66]

how about we just say that RG3 cost the Skins three extra picks.

Can we move on???

 

[Spike]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The cost for the player they want is THREE first rounders and a second rounder..

Then why did the Rams only gain 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder?

What did RGIII cost them?.... 3 first rounders, plus a second rounder... Do you disagree?Rams had RGII (or the necessary pick), Redskins wanted him.. What did they give up to get him?.. 4 picks total..

They gave up 4 picks and got 1 pick. 4-1=3

I don't know if apples make this easier, but lets give it a shot..I have one pick which I'll spend on an apple.. You have 4 picks which you'll otherwise spend on a banana, an orange, a pear, and a grape (the second rounder for the grape.. Grape is smaller... make sense?)

To get that apple, you gave up the banana, the orange, the pear, and the grape... 4 pieces of fruit to get 1.. The apple cost you 4 pieces of fruit...

The way you explain it:

I go to the farmers market.. The farmer has spent $1 cultivating each bushel of apples, and is selling them to me for $4... I buy the bushel for $4. You walk up and say I've only really spent $3, because the farmer spent a dollar raising the apples.. My wallet still light 4 dollars due to apples for some reason, but I shrug it off and walk out to my car.. Thinking, damn, those inner city schools in DC need to tighten up a bit..

 

[cstu]

It's different. You guys are a lot closer to building a contender than we were.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the relative team abilities before the trade. Cleveland has a pretty solid defense from what I've seen, and as a Skins fan I think the Skins defense has been pretty bad for 1-1/2 out of the last 2 seasons. The Browns offense never seemed enough to get them very far, despite the defense, though.

We can go back and forth about the defense, personalyl I think the Browns are over rated because opposing teams knew they didn't have to score much to win so they dumbed down their offense to just do what it took to win, but you can't argue about free agency philosophies. Trading upto get RG3 would require you to do more in free agency. Something the Browns won't do.

Won't do or can't do? The Redskins make more money than every other team so they can afford to sign big free agent contracts.

 

[cstu]

The cost for the player they want is THREE first rounders and a second rounder..

Then why did the Rams only gain 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder?

What did RGIII cost them?.... 3 first rounders, plus a second rounder... Do you disagree?Rams had RGII (or the necessary pick), Redskins wanted him.. What did they give up to get him?.. 4 picks total..

They gave up 4 picks and got 1 pick. 4-1=3

I don't know if apples make this easier, but lets give it a shot..I have one pick which I'll spend on an apple.. You have 4 picks which you'll otherwise spend on a banana, an orange, a pear, and a grape (the second rounder for the grape.. Grape is smaller... make sense?)

To get that apple, you gave up the banana, the orange, the pear, and the grape... 4 pieces of fruit to get 1.. The apple cost you 4 pieces of fruit...

The way you explain it:

I go to the farmers market.. The farmer has spent $1 cultivating each bushel of apples, and is selling them to me for $4... I buy the bushel for $4. You walk up and say I've only really spent $3, because the farmer spent a dollar raising the apples.. My wallet still light 4 dollars due to apples for some reason, but I shrug it off and walk out to my car.. Thinking, damn, those inner city schools in DC need to tighten up a bit..

Are we talking red delicious or a fuji?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The cost for the player they want is THREE first rounders and a second rounder..

Then why did the Rams only gain 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder?

What did RGIII cost them?.... 3 first rounders, plus a second rounder... Do you disagree?Rams had RGII (or the necessary pick), Redskins wanted him.. What did they give up to get him?.. 4 picks total..

They gave up 4 picks and got 1 pick. 4-1=3

I don't know if apples make this easier, but lets give it a shot..I have one pick which I'll spend on an apple.. You have 4 picks which you'll otherwise spend on a banana, an orange, a pear, and a grape (the second rounder for the grape.. Grape is smaller... make sense?)

To get that apple, you gave up the banana, the orange, the pear, and the grape... 4 pieces of fruit to get 1.. The apple cost you 4 pieces of fruit...

The way you explain it:

I go to the farmers market.. The farmer has spent $1 cultivating each bushel of apples, and is selling them to me for $4... I buy the bushel for $4. You walk up and say I've only really spent $3, because the farmer spent a dollar raising the apples.. My wallet still light 4 dollars due to apples for some reason, but I shrug it off and walk out to my car.. Thinking, damn, those inner city schools in DC need to tighten up a bit..

Are we talking red delicious or a fuji?

I like fuji, but we're in a DC farmers market, so probably red delicious..

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

how about we just say that RG3 cost the Skins three extra picks.Can we move on???

Please

 

[CalBear]

how about we just say that RG3 cost the Skins three extra picks.Can we move on???

Please

But the real question is, is Washington colder than Denver?We are definitely experiencing a gap in real football news.

 

[Couch Potato]

Should we use apples to make it easier?

Please do. Then I can come in afterwards and say "how do you like them apples?"

 

[Couch Potato]

I have one pick which I'll spend on an apple.. You have 4 picks which you'll otherwise spend on a banana, an orange, a pear, and a grape (the second rounder for the grape.. Grape is smaller... make sense?)To get that apple, you gave up the banana, the orange, the pear, and the grape... 4 pieces of fruit to get 1.. The apple cost you 4 pieces of fruit...The way you explain it:I go to the farmers market.. The farmer has spent $1 cultivating each bushel of apples, and is selling them to me for $4... I buy the bushel for $4. You walk up and say I've only really spent $3, because the farmer spent a dollar raising the apples.. My wallet still light 4 dollars due to apples for some reason, but I shrug it off and walk out to my car.. Thinking, damn, those inner city schools in DC need to tighten up a bit..

I'm having flashbacks of 3rd grade math word problems. *shudder*

 

[CalBear]

I have one pick which I'll spend on an apple.. You have 4 picks which you'll otherwise spend on a banana, an orange, a pear, and a grape (the second rounder for the grape.. Grape is smaller... make sense?)To get that apple, you gave up the banana, the orange, the pear, and the grape... 4 pieces of fruit to get 1.. The apple cost you 4 pieces of fruit...The way you explain it:I go to the farmers market.. The farmer has spent $1 cultivating each bushel of apples, and is selling them to me for $4... I buy the bushel for $4. You walk up and say I've only really spent $3, because the farmer spent a dollar raising the apples.. My wallet still light 4 dollars due to apples for some reason, but I shrug it off and walk out to my car.. Thinking, damn, those inner city schools in DC need to tighten up a bit..

I'm having flashbacks of 3rd grade math word problems. *shudder*

RGIII leaves Cleveland at pick #2, moving 40 yards every 4.45 seconds...

 

[Bob Magaw]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

 

[MAC_32]

It's different. You guys are a lot closer to building a contender than we were.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the relative team abilities before the trade. Cleveland has a pretty solid defense from what I've seen, and as a Skins fan I think the Skins defense has been pretty bad for 1-1/2 out of the last 2 seasons. The Browns offense never seemed enough to get them very far, despite the defense, though.

We can go back and forth about the defense, personalyl I think the Browns are over rated because opposing teams knew they didn't have to score much to win so they dumbed down their offense to just do what it took to win, but you can't argue about free agency philosophies. Trading upto get RG3 would require you to do more in free agency. Something the Browns won't do.

Won't do or can't do? The Redskins make more money than every other team so they can afford to sign big free agent contracts.

Won't. Heckert doesn't do free agency. I just hope that methodology changes a bit if the Browns ever develop a winner.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I don't really think it is an argument. Its pretty much common knowledge that top picks are worth more now that there is a rookie wage scale. The higher the pick, the more it is worth. Of course this varies per draft depending on team needs and the caliber of players available.

Worth more than what? The pick you're moving down to shows the difference in value.. Avoiding moving into a top 5 pick to avoid a high rookie salary only works if you aren't already holding a top 5 pick.. Manning who cost a #1 overall pick was traded for Rivers who cost a #4 overall pick..Truth of the matter is, usually teams let the negotiation build up till the draft, but in this case, no one was going to offer more than this ridiculous offer so the Rams had to jump on it.. "hurry up and sign, before the fools realize what they just offered"First round picks as a whole are worth more now because of rookie wage scale as well.. Skins just traded away 3 of those bad boys, including a top 6 pick... Ouch!!

Worth more than in year's past. I know it is relative to all picks. But as I mentioned twice before, value of the top picks is often relative to the draft. Obviously the first two picks are worth more to QB needy teams this year than they were last year. There are two elite grade QB's in this draft. So while it is true that the player drafted 6 slots to an even lower salary, he also isn't what the Redskins scouts believe is a franchise QB. Thus the cost to move up. Its not as if they were plush with options for franchise QB's (which is what they need). Getting Ryan Kerrigan's and Brian Orakpo level players is nice, but they aren't going anywhere without a top level QB. As for how the negotiations went down, we don't know that. But Schefter is saying that the Browns really stepped up their efforts for the trade, so it sounds like the time was now to do the deal. I'll be honest, I'd be hugely disappointed if the Browns did this deal and the skins were going to have to sit at 6.

I know you're a Skins fan, and I do see how you could be excited.. Nice to finally have a highly touted QB high draft prospect.. I just can't see paying so much..

Time will tell. If he brings stability and is a high level QB for them for the next decade, it will be worth it. If not, it won't be. Pretty simple.

Define high level? I'm curious of the expectations from Redskin fans.

Something between what Cam Newton and Andy Dalton did this past year with steady improvements each after for the next 4-5 years.

good luck with that

That would qualify as "high level".

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I don't really think it is an argument. Its pretty much common knowledge that top picks are worth more now that there is a rookie wage scale. The higher the pick, the more it is worth. Of course this varies per draft depending on team needs and the caliber of players available.

Worth more than what? The pick you're moving down to shows the difference in value.. Avoiding moving into a top 5 pick to avoid a high rookie salary only works if you aren't already holding a top 5 pick.. Manning who cost a #1 overall pick was traded for Rivers who cost a #4 overall pick..Truth of the matter is, usually teams let the negotiation build up till the draft, but in this case, no one was going to offer more than this ridiculous offer so the Rams had to jump on it.. "hurry up and sign, before the fools realize what they just offered"First round picks as a whole are worth more now because of rookie wage scale as well.. Skins just traded away 3 of those bad boys, including a top 6 pick... Ouch!!

Worth more than in year's past. I know it is relative to all picks. But as I mentioned twice before, value of the top picks is often relative to the draft. Obviously the first two picks are worth more to QB needy teams this year than they were last year. There are two elite grade QB's in this draft. So while it is true that the player drafted 6 slots to an even lower salary, he also isn't what the Redskins scouts believe is a franchise QB. Thus the cost to move up. Its not as if they were plush with options for franchise QB's (which is what they need). Getting Ryan Kerrigan's and Brian Orakpo level players is nice, but they aren't going anywhere without a top level QB. As for how the negotiations went down, we don't know that. But Schefter is saying that the Browns really stepped up their efforts for the trade, so it sounds like the time was now to do the deal. I'll be honest, I'd be hugely disappointed if the Browns did this deal and the skins were going to have to sit at 6.

I know you're a Skins fan, and I do see how you could be excited.. Nice to finally have a highly touted QB high draft prospect.. I just can't see paying so much..

Time will tell. If he brings stability and is a high level QB for them for the next decade, it will be worth it. If not, it won't be. Pretty simple.

Define high level? I'm curious of the expectations from Redskin fans.

Something between what Cam Newton and Andy Dalton did this past year with steady improvements each after for the next 4-5 years.

I estimated it at:3700 passing yards 59% 7.2 YPA 21 TD 15 INT425 rushing 3 TDI think that's a bit high considering RGIII won't have either Steve Smith/AJ Green.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

I don't understand.

 

[RBM]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

I don't understand.

Indy, like Washington valued getting the franchise qb over multiple future first rd picks.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

I don't understand.

Indy, like Washington valued getting the franchise qb over multiple future first rd picks.

Put me in the boat that thinks Luck>>RGIII. Worst case Luck will be a Matt Ryan type of QB, RGIII could end up like Joey Harrington.Therefore Indy would need more picks to move on from Luck.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

I don't understand.

Indy, like Washington valued getting the franchise qb over multiple future first rd picks.

Oh. Of course. I don't agree. But then I'm not an NFL GM.

 

[fatness]

Should we use apples to make it easier?

Please do. Then I can come in afterwards and say "how do you like them apples?"

 

[RBM]

Sorry if this has already been said, but if I were running the Colts I'd have told Washington "Hey, we'll do the same thing for Andrew Luck."

Excellent point.

if IND was also approached by WAS, but passed on the pick bonanza that went to the rams, it suggests that WAS was not the only team that placed a huge premium on a pick that could secure one of the consensus top two QBs and players in the draft...

I don't understand.

Indy, like Washington valued getting the franchise qb over multiple future first rd picks.

Oh. Of course. I don't agree.

Neither do I

 

[fatness]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn’t tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins’ offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

link

 

[pantherclub]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn’t tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins’ offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

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Just curious but why do this? Granted they got a ton but why not play the teams against each other.

 

[Jason Wood]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn’t tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins’ offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

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Just curious but why do this? Granted they got a ton but why not play the teams against each other.

Because Snead wanted to show some integrity and establish himself as an executive teams could feel good doing business with.

 

[identikit]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn't tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins' offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

link

Just curious but why do this? Granted they got a ton but why not play the teams against each other.

Because Snead wanted to show some integrity and establish himself as an executive teams could feel good doing business with.

Yep. That ethics thing.

 

[babydemon90]

I can't fault the Skins for doing what they needed to do... No question, they needed a franchise QB. Sure - they paid a lot. As an Eagles fan - last 2 firsts were Brandon Graham and Danny Watkins. I think everyone would have said if the Eagles traded them to move up in the draft, it would have been a coup. 1st rounders miss. You get that QB to anchor your team, you can get the other pieces. They had the 13th ranked defense last year...so a better then average defense. They need WR help - but maybe they hit FA and grab someone to pair with Moss, and maybe Hankerson or Armstrong steps up their game.

 

[RUSF18]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn't tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins' offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

link

Just curious but why do this? Granted they got a ton but why not play the teams against each other.

Because Snead wanted to show some integrity and establish himself as an executive teams could feel good doing business with.

Yep. That ethics thing.

It's only ethical because he went into the negotiations saying that the highest sealed bid would get the pick, and didn't turn on that. It wouldn't have been unethical for him to hold an open auction like you would typically see. If the Browns were told they needed to include their 2nd rounder in order to match Washington's deal, and they decided to comply, the Rams were leaving the difference in value between the 4th overall and 6th overall on the table.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I can't fault the Skins for doing what they needed to do... No question, they needed a franchise QB. Sure - they paid a lot. As an Eagles fan - last 2 firsts were Brandon Graham and Danny Watkins. I think everyone would have said if the Eagles traded them to move up in the draft, it would have been a coup. 1st rounders miss. You get that QB to anchor your team, you can get the other pieces. They had the 13th ranked defense last year...so a better then average defense. They need WR help - but maybe they hit FA and grab someone to pair with Moss, and maybe Hankerson or Armstrong steps up their game.

Well it's really Maclin, Graham and Watkins since the Skins are giving up 3 1st to get RGIII. But really it's a flawed comparision since the Eagles picks were mid to late 1sts. The Redskins could possibly be giving up 3 top 10 picks.

 

[Jason Wood]

According to Peter King of SI.com, instead of holding an auction for the pick, Snead did sealed bidding. He promised each side that he wouldn't tell the other what their offer was.

[snead] told them they were going to make a deal by the close of business Thursday, and they needed to make their best offer. According to one of the teams involved, Washington made an offer beyond what St. Louis ever thought it'd get -- three first-round picks and a second-rounder. Cleveland offered something less, thought to be three ones.

Snead kept his word and did not give the Browns a chance to top the Redskins' offer. He agreed to deal the pick to Washington.

link

Just curious but why do this? Granted they got a ton but why not play the teams against each other.

Because Snead wanted to show some integrity and establish himself as an executive teams could feel good doing business with.

Yep. That ethics thing.

It's only ethical because he went into the negotiations saying that the highest sealed bid would get the pick, and didn't turn on that. It wouldn't have been unethical for him to hold an open auction like you would typically see. If the Browns were told they needed to include their 2nd rounder in order to match Washington's deal, and they decided to comply, the Rams were leaving the difference in value between the 4th overall and 6th overall on the table.

It probably related to a calculated bet on his part about the need to balance the best offers possible with a very tight schedule. Even when big trades like this have occurred for high draft picks, they usually happen more toward the draft night itself, and it seems the Rams valued having this put to bed before the start of the league season, so they can most effectively plan how they're going to approach free agency and the draft.

 

[netnalp]

@AdamSchefter

Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.

Still worth the deal even though they now have less money for FA's.

 

[Run It Up]

@AdamSchefterCowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.Still worth the deal even though they now have less money for FA's.

Do they have anything left for FAs? Gonna be a lot more interesting if RG3 lands on the current Skin roster.

 

[babydemon90]

I can't fault the Skins for doing what they needed to do... No question, they needed a franchise QB. Sure - they paid a lot. As an Eagles fan - last 2 firsts were Brandon Graham and Danny Watkins. I think everyone would have said if the Eagles traded them to move up in the draft, it would have been a coup. 1st rounders miss. You get that QB to anchor your team, you can get the other pieces. They had the 13th ranked defense last year...so a better then average defense. They need WR help - but maybe they hit FA and grab someone to pair with Moss, and maybe Hankerson or Armstrong steps up their game.

Well it's really Maclin, Graham and Watkins since the Skins are giving up 3 1st to get RGIII. But really it's a flawed comparision since the Eagles picks were mid to late 1sts. The Redskins could possibly be giving up 3 top 10 picks.

I'm sure I could find busts picked in the top 10 easily enough - was just making a point that 1st rounders can bust too - Washington is doubling down on RG3, and I can certainly make sense of it. Time will tell, and no one knows right now how it will turn out. (Although, this cap penalty that just came out hurts them even more, now the ability to sign FA to make up for the loss of draft picks is hamstrung...RG3 is going to have to be a one man show)

 

[flapgreen]

Have a nice season, Skins.

 

[pantherclub]

@AdamSchefterCowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.Still worth the deal even though they now have less money for FA's.

Good lord RG3 is going to have to be even better than Cam to make up for the skins crappy front office and loss of picks.

 

[dgreen]

@AdamSchefterCowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.Still worth the deal even though they now have less money for FA's.

Good lord RG3 is going to have to be even better than Cam to make up for the skins crappy front office and loss of picks.

Good thing their plan is to use him as their QB for more than a couple seasons, I guess.

 

[scoobygang]

Well it's really Maclin, Graham and Watkins since the Skins are giving up 3 1st to get RGIII. But really it's a flawed comparision since the Eagles picks were mid to late 1sts. The Redskins could possibly be giving up 3 top 10 picks.

Well, if the Redskins are bad enough for three straight Top 10 picks in a row, then we'll know the trade was a dud. If we look just at the Skins last three first round picks and their last 2nd round pick, we get Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, and Jarvis Jenkins. Only one top 10 pick, but three starters and one guy who was looking to be a very solid rotation DE before his injury. So, a steep price. But one I'd pay for a top 5 QB (which we have no assurance RGIII will be, yadda yadda yadda).I doubt the Redskins are actually going to be worse than hovering between 6-10 and 8-8, so I think that's a pretty fair assessment of the price.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Well it's really Maclin, Graham and Watkins since the Skins are giving up 3 1st to get RGIII. But really it's a flawed comparision since the Eagles picks were mid to late 1sts. The Redskins could possibly be giving up 3 top 10 picks.

Well, if the Redskins are bad enough for three straight Top 10 picks in a row, then we'll know the trade was a dud. If we look just at the Skins last three first round picks and their last 2nd round pick, we get Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, and Jarvis Jenkins. Only one top 10 pick, but three starters and one guy who was looking to be a very solid rotation DE before his injury. So, a steep price. But one I'd pay for a top 5 QB (which we have no assurance RGIII will be, yadda yadda yadda).I doubt the Redskins are actually going to be worse than hovering between 6-10 and 8-8, so I think that's a pretty fair assessment of the price.

6-10 or 7-9 would put their pick around 8-12. They're still the worst team in the NFC East, I doubt they hit 8-8.