Redskins-Rams deal done for 2 pick (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

RGIII, complete with that catchy nickname, is the most overhyped college player since Vick. The incredible free promotion he's received from ESPN and the rest of the media, which resulted in him being handed a Heisman he didn't remotely deserve, has now catapulted him to a point where many are saying he's better than Andrew Luck, who has been called the best prospect to come along since Elway for the past two years. Where was RGIII ranked last year? Anyone remember similar last second media hype jobs who saw their stock rise so drastically before the draft- Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell? How did they work out?

Andrew Luck, complete with that cool name, is the most overhyped college player since Vick. The incredible free promotion he's received from ESPN and the rest of the media, which resulted in him being handed the status as first pick in the draft which he didn't remotely deserve, has now catapulted him to a point where many are saying he's better than Robert Griffin III, who has been called the best prospect to come along since Elway for the past two years. This is fun.

Did you just say Andrew Luck didn't even "remotely deserve"? Wow.

 

[fatness]

I've continually talked about the next 2-3 years, which doesn't look good for the Skins. Not many high draft picks to develop, overpriced Free Agents trying to blend with a 22 year old sounds like disaster as well.

You really don't follow the Redskins too much, do you?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Shocked by the love for the deal in the skins side.

Those lost picks are an automatic inhibitor on what he can achieve.

And for the cam comparisons, the conferences are no comparison. He faced colleges best athletes In exotic pro packages in high profile environments. Rgiii doesn't have a year of that under his belt

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

 

[loqutis]

I can't believe that crap.

That's the kind of deal I'd expect a fantasy owner to make...Congrats to the Rams though....amazing haul should be able to put a ton of pieces around Bradford.

Offered 4 first rounders and was turned down

 

[Hang 10]

He faced colleges best athletes In exotic pro packages in high profile environments.

 

[metoo]

Shocked by the love for the deal in the skins side. Those lost picks are an automatic inhibitor on what he can achieve. And for the cam comparisons, the conferences are no comparison. He faced colleges best athletes In exotic pro packages in high profile environments. Rgiii doesn't have a year of that under his belt

I don't think anyone is comparing the big 12 defense to the SEC. I was as high on Cam last year as anyone and I couldn't understand why so many ignored how he dominated. My only question was the Carolina organization. I need for a QB to dominate his competition in college if I'm going to spend a high pick, that's why I was never high on Garbage. Yes, I'm acting like a 2 year old.

 

[bigunreal]

Unless you are a diehard Redskins fan, in which case you'd be swallowing the nonstop propaganda from local D.C. media that this is a "great" trade for them, rational people have to think giving up all those high picks for one unproven player is an extremely risky proposition. When was the last time, if any, that such a lopsided deal worked out for the team getting one player?

I keep hearing this mantra about "franchise" quarterbacks. How many "franchise" quarterbacks have been drafted high over the past few decades, and totally bombed in the NFL? How many were just okay? There is at least a 50-50 chance that RGIII becomes nothing more than an average QB. Because of the price the Redskins paid for this one player, the deal can only pay off if he becomes a Hall of Famer, and/or the team wins multiple Super Bowls.

Given Snyder's long track record of making ludicrous deals (and this certainly has the look of one), how can anyone trust him to fill in the pieces around this overhyped, unproven player? Knowing Snyder, he will overpay for someone like Pierre Garcon or Manningham and think they're #1 receivers. The guy knows nothing about football, but insists on making the key decisions. You can bet the farm that the RGIII deal was Snyder's idea all the way. Shanahan clearly had an influence at last year's draft, where the team actually traded down and accumulated more picks for the first time in Snyder's tenure there. RGIII is not his type of QB, and he can hardly be happy right now.

Expect a scintillating offense with RGIII throwing to the likes of Anthony Armstrong and Leonard Hankerson (who was so awful for most of last season he was a healthy scratch on a team desperate for receivers), pothead Fred Davis and perhaps Garcon, Colston, Manningham or even Randy Moss. The running game will be led by Roy Helu and Tim Hightower, hardly inspiring confidence. RGIII will need to be great with the clowns he'll have around him. They will give RGIII many years as an unchallenged starter, and will continue to prop up his "unlimited upside" even if he plays like Jamarcus. They have to, since they gave up as much as most teams would have to give up for an Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Unless you are a diehard Redskins fan, in which case you'd be swallowing the nonstop propaganda from local D.C. media that this is a "great" trade for them, rational people have to think giving up all those high picks for one unproven player is an extremely risky proposition. When was the last time, if any, that such a lopsided deal worked out for the team getting one player? I keep hearing this mantra about "franchise" quarterbacks. How many "franchise" quarterbacks have been drafted high over the past few decades, and totally bombed in the NFL? How many were just okay? There is at least a 50-50 chance that RGIII becomes nothing more than an average QB. Because of the price the Redskins paid for this one player, the deal can only pay off if he becomes a Hall of Famer, and/or the team wins multiple Super Bowls. Given Snyder's long track record of making ludicrous deals (and this certainly has the look of one), how can anyone trust him to fill in the pieces around this overhyped, unproven player? Knowing Snyder, he will overpay for someone like Pierre Garcon or Manningham and think they're #1 receivers. The guy knows nothing about football, but insists on making the key decisions. You can bet the farm that the RGIII deal was Snyder's idea all the way. Shanahan clearly had an influence at last year's draft, where the team actually traded down and accumulated more picks for the first time in Snyder's tenure there. RGIII is not his type of QB, and he can hardly be happy right now. Expect a scintillating offense with RGIII throwing to the likes of Anthony Armstrong and Leonard Hankerson (who was so awful for most of last season he was a healthy scratch on a team desperate for receivers), pothead Fred Davis and perhaps Garcon, Colston, Manningham or even Randy Moss. The running game will be led by Roy Helu and Tim Hightower, hardly inspiring confidence. RGIII will need to be great with the clowns he'll have around him. They will give RGIII many years as an unchallenged starter, and will continue to prop up his "unlimited upside" even if he plays like Jamarcus. They have to, since they gave up as much as most teams would have to give up for an Aaron Rodgers.

You'd prefer, what? John Beck and Rex Grossman battling it out again? Giving a monster contract to an unproven Matt Flynn? Kidnapping Peyton Manning and forcing him to play in DC?I think the odds are more like 75-80% than 50/50, but even at a coin flip it's a chance you have to take. Even great defenses aren't winning with average (Flacco, Alex Smith) QB play, so you have to pay to play.(Again, not a Skins fan)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

People who think this is a bad trade for the Redskins are missing the point. You can argue that you think RG3 will be great or you think he will suck. The fact of the matter is the Redskins are in dire need for a franchise QB. This team was desperate for a QB last year, but traded out from the chance of drafting Gabbert. So obviously they hold RG3 in high regard. Here were there other options at QB:

1.) Stay put, draft Tannehill and then sign Orton. This would leave the skins in mediocrity next year and beyond that Tannehill has a much higher bust risk than RG3 in most expert's opinions. Sinking 3-4 more years into QB's that they are not sure is the answer is the wrong way to approach things.

2.) Stay put, sign Orton and draft a Brandon Weeden type. Second tier QB's have been a risky proposition at best in recent years. Again, they'd be in a position of hoping that the QB situation works out.

3.) Go balls out to sign Manning. Great QB, but the Skins need to get young, they aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year and Manning's window is pretty small. Also the team would be assuming a larger financial risk and would need to sink all their eggs into signing other big names to surround Manning. The Skins have been down this path before and it has not worked.

4.) Go balls out to sign Flynn. This was probably the next best option for them. Still, Flynn does carry some risk and would also bring a larger financial burden. They were never associated with Flynn and he doesn't seem to be a good fit for what they want to do.

Ultimately, if RG3 is a pro bowl caliber QB, this is a good trade for Washington. If he is not a good QB, it is a bad trade. It is impossible to judge it now, but as a Skins fan I love it. Sure, it sucks not having the 2 first rounders and the 2nd rounder, but if RG3 turns out to be what the Redskins and most NFL experts think he can be, it will be well worth it. The option of taking a QB that you like but don't love like a Blaine Gabbert and toiling in the bottom half of the league for the next half a decade or more is not all that appealing to me and most other Skins fans. At least RG3 gives them a chance to be great again. What is the worst that can happen? They finish dead last in the NFC East the last 4 years? Bottom line, this team needed to take a chance, I love it.

Actually they're trading 3 first rounders and a second. One of them a top 6 pick...

 

[Texasmouth]

Unless you are a diehard Redskins fan, in which case you'd be swallowing the nonstop propaganda from local D.C. media that this is a "great" trade for them, rational people have to think giving up all those high picks for one unproven player is an extremely risky proposition. When was the last time, if any, that such a lopsided deal worked out for the team getting one player? I keep hearing this mantra about "franchise" quarterbacks. How many "franchise" quarterbacks have been drafted high over the past few decades, and totally bombed in the NFL? How many were just okay? There is at least a 50-50 chance that RGIII becomes nothing more than an average QB. Because of the price the Redskins paid for this one player, the deal can only pay off if he becomes a Hall of Famer, and/or the team wins multiple Super Bowls. Given Snyder's long track record of making ludicrous deals (and this certainly has the look of one), how can anyone trust him to fill in the pieces around this overhyped, unproven player? Knowing Snyder, he will overpay for someone like Pierre Garcon or Manningham and think they're #1 receivers. The guy knows nothing about football, but insists on making the key decisions. You can bet the farm that the RGIII deal was Snyder's idea all the way. Shanahan clearly had an influence at last year's draft, where the team actually traded down and accumulated more picks for the first time in Snyder's tenure there. RGIII is not his type of QB, and he can hardly be happy right now. Expect a scintillating offense with RGIII throwing to the likes of Anthony Armstrong and Leonard Hankerson (who was so awful for most of last season he was a healthy scratch on a team desperate for receivers), pothead Fred Davis and perhaps Garcon, Colston, Manningham or even Randy Moss. The running game will be led by Roy Helu and Tim Hightower, hardly inspiring confidence. RGIII will need to be great with the clowns he'll have around him. They will give RGIII many years as an unchallenged starter, and will continue to prop up his "unlimited upside" even if he plays like Jamarcus. They have to, since they gave up as much as most teams would have to give up for an Aaron Rodgers.

You'd prefer, what? John Beck and Rex Grossman battling it out again? Giving a monster contract to an unproven Matt Flynn? Kidnapping Peyton Manning and forcing him to play in DC?I think the odds are more like 75-80% than 50/50, but even at a coin flip it's a chance you have to take. Even great defenses aren't winning with average (Flacco, Alex Smith) QB play, so you have to pay to play.(Again, not a Skins fan)

75-80% ???? You must be crazy. 50-50 may even be pushing it. Take a look at the QB in the NFL. How many of them were even top 5 picks? Not many. There are way more Tim Couchs than Peyton Mannings.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Yes, but with the rookie wage scale, the top 5-10 picks are worth more. It used to be that it was hard to sell picks in the top 10 because no one wanted to commit big $$ to rookies. Now that they do not have to, I think you'll see that top 5 picks will go for a lot more than they have in the past. Many of the NFL insiders are also saying that Cleveland stepped up their offer, so obviously the Redskins outbid them and did what they had to do to get the deal done.

Redskins are giving up a top 6 pick in the deal.. So if the bolded potion of your statement is correct, the trade looks even worse..

Do you think the Giants and Giants fans would do that trade again? Do you think they would do it again if they had to throw in another 1st rounder? Basically that would have ended up meaning that they give up Mathias Kiwanuka. Still a good deal for the Giants? I think so. As I said above, it was a high price, but if RG3 is a pro bowl QB, you cannot put a price tag on that and this will be a great deal for the Redskins.

With the guarantee of 2 Super Bowls I'd say yes the Giants would do it again.. And probably would consider a 3rd first rounder.

RGIII doesn't guarantee 2 SB.. And even if the Giants would have thrown in a 3rd first rounder.. The Redskins are still paying more because as you've said, top5-10 picks are worth more now..

Better question, would the falcons give an additional 1st rounder for Vick, knowing what they know now... Better yet, would they have done the original deal knowing what they know now?

 

[AB in DC]

I keep hearing this mantra about "franchise" quarterbacks. How many "franchise" quarterbacks have been drafted high over the past few decades, and totally bombed in the NFL? How many were just okay? There is at least a 50-50 chance that RGIII becomes nothing more than an average QB. Because of the price the Redskins paid for this one player, the deal can only pay off if he becomes a Hall of Famer, and/or the team wins multiple Super Bowls.

Why, because those three other picks they're giving up are guaranteed to produce Hall of Famers, too? :rolleye:I'm amazed how many people talk about RGIII as unproven, but then act like the picks that they gave up are sure things.

 

[FavreCo]

Snyder does it again. Genius.

 

[Gopher State]

The Rams have three picks in the first thirty nine this season, including the sixth, and four first round picks the next two seasons. This trade is in Herschel Walker trade territory and, if they use the picks right, could set up the Rams to build a Super Bowl winner around Bradford.

 

[cstu]

I keep hearing this mantra about "franchise" quarterbacks. How many "franchise" quarterbacks have been drafted high over the past few decades, and totally bombed in the NFL? How many were just okay? There is at least a 50-50 chance that RGIII becomes nothing more than an average QB. Because of the price the Redskins paid for this one player, the deal can only pay off if he becomes a Hall of Famer, and/or the team wins multiple Super Bowls.

Why, because those three other picks they're giving up are guaranteed to produce Hall of Famers, too? :rolleye:I'm amazed how many people talk about RGIII as unproven, but then act like the picks that they gave up are sure things.

What has a higher probability - RG3 becoming an elite QB or at least least one of these picks becoming Pro Bowl players? With the #6 pick they will be able to get either Claiborne, Richardson or Blackmon. Claiborne is the most likely to become a Pro Bowl player and Richardson would have to get injured not to be top back in the NFL. Blackmon is more of a risk, but I think the worst case is that he's an average #1 WR in the NFL. They may even go with Reiff so shore up the OL. With the draft as deep as it is they should get a decent player at #39 too. I also expect the Redskins future 1st's to be in the top half of the draft the next couple of years.

 

[duaneok66]

you are doing the same thing that RG3 backers are doing - assuming that those picks are pro bowl players, We know nothing at this point.

 

[Steed]

The Rams have three picks in the first thirty nine this season, including the sixth, and four first round picks the next two seasons. This trade is in Herschel Walker trade territory and, if they use the picks right, could set up the Rams to build a Super Bowl winner around Bradford.

Or they could squander them like the redskins did with their Ricky Williams haul.

 

[cstu]

The Rams have three picks in the first thirty nine this season, including the sixth, and four first round picks the next two seasons. This trade is in Herschel Walker trade territory and, if they use the picks right, could set up the Rams to build a Super Bowl winner around Bradford.

Or they could squander them like the redskins did with their Ricky Williams haul.

They got Champ Bailey out of it.

 

[Steed]

The Rams have three picks in the first thirty nine this season, including the sixth, and four first round picks the next two seasons. This trade is in Herschel Walker trade territory and, if they use the picks right, could set up the Rams to build a Super Bowl winner around Bradford.

Or they could squander them like the redskins did with their Ricky Williams haul.

They got Champ Bailey out of it.

I just checked, they got Lavar too. Amazing how they underachieved.

 

[cstu]

The Rams have three picks in the first thirty nine this season, including the sixth, and four first round picks the next two seasons. This trade is in Herschel Walker trade territory and, if they use the picks right, could set up the Rams to build a Super Bowl winner around Bradford.

Or they could squander them like the redskins did with their Ricky Williams haul.

They got Champ Bailey out of it.

I just checked, they got Lavar too. Amazing how they underachieved.

Despite how good he is, in hindsight they would have been better trading up to get Culpepper instead of Champ since they had washed up QB's Brad Johnson and Jeff George in 2000.They made some bone-headed picks to stay bad - Gardner over Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne, not to mention Brees was available when they were rolling with Tony Banks and Jeff George. It's these experiences passing on QB's that probably made them say 'screw it, let's just get RG3'.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.

There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade.

And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

Seriously, there's no downside.

 

[cstu]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.

There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade.

And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

Seriously, there's no downside.

I guess you're right.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You'd prefer, what? John Beck and Rex Grossman battling it out again? Giving a monster contract to an unproven Matt Flynn? Kidnapping Peyton Manning and forcing him to play in DC?I think the odds are more like 75-80% than 50/50, but even at a coin flip it's a chance you have to take. Even great defenses aren't winning with average (Flacco, Alex Smith) QB play, so you have to pay to play.(Again, not a Skins fan)

I thought the football was a team sport. Guess not.

 

[CalBear]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade. And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

The chance that RGIII as the #2 pick will help the team significantly more than the #6 pick they would have had, and the three other picks they gave up, is way lower than 50%. 50% is maybe the probability that RGIII is as at least as good as first-round pick Rex Grossman. If we say the three other first rounders have a 40% chance of being reasonable players (that RGIII is more likely to be reasonable than they are), and the second rounder has a 20% chance, the Redskins just gave up an 80+% chance of getting a reasonable player in exchange for a 50% chance of getting a reasonable player. And they gave up any chance of getting more than one. The downside is that they've reduced their opportunities for success. Either RGIII works out, or he doesn't. If he does, maybe they can get by without a first-round pick for a couple of years. If he doesn't, they're hosed for years.

 

[TheLem]

Great trade for both sides.StL gets a huge haul for moving down a few spots and giving up the QB they don't need.Wash gets a likely franchise QB and have a ton of cap space to spend around him. Next stop - sign VJax. Then it's off to the SuperBowl

Hey, Redskins fan. Wake up, guy. Adding a big name rookie qb and a good wide receiver isn't ensuring you go to the Super Bowl or even making the playoffs. Cam may be best rookie qb ever, and his team didn't come close. The odds of RGIII being Cam are highly unlikely, especially with no first rounders and 2nd rounder. Then you want them to sign a big name receiver when the team is riddled with holes. Not a recipie for success.

Dude, I don't think that's a Redskins fan you're talking to, I think that's Dan Snyder.

Flap green,How bout a little love for my Rams?An old friend.

 

[EBF]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade. And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

The chance that RGIII as the #2 pick will help the team significantly more than the #6 pick they would have had, and the three other picks they gave up, is way lower than 50%. 50% is maybe the probability that RGIII is as at least as good as first-round pick Rex Grossman. If we say the three other first rounders have a 40% chance of being reasonable players (that RGIII is more likely to be reasonable than they are), and the second rounder has a 20% chance, the Redskins just gave up an 80+% chance of getting a reasonable player in exchange for a 50% chance of getting a reasonable player. And they gave up any chance of getting more than one. The downside is that they've reduced their opportunities for success. Either RGIII works out, or he doesn't. If he does, maybe they can get by without a first-round pick for a couple of years. If he doesn't, they're hosed for years.

A good QB is much more valuable than a good player at any other position. I would gladly trade a Pro Bowl TE, MLB, and WR for one Pro Bowl QB. A guy like Rivers, Manning, Roethlisberger, or Rodgers can get you to at least 8 wins in a season on his own. So yea...the Skins will be missing out on the opportunity to draft some good players, but I'd gladly take one Cam Newton for Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and LaRon Landry.

 

[cstu]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade. And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

The chance that RGIII as the #2 pick will help the team significantly more than the #6 pick they would have had, and the three other picks they gave up, is way lower than 50%. 50% is maybe the probability that RGIII is as at least as good as first-round pick Rex Grossman. If we say the three other first rounders have a 40% chance of being reasonable players (that RGIII is more likely to be reasonable than they are), and the second rounder has a 20% chance, the Redskins just gave up an 80+% chance of getting a reasonable player in exchange for a 50% chance of getting a reasonable player. And they gave up any chance of getting more than one. The downside is that they've reduced their opportunities for success. Either RGIII works out, or he doesn't. If he does, maybe they can get by without a first-round pick for a couple of years. If he doesn't, they're hosed for years.

His point is even if there's a 90% chance that RG3 is a bust, it's still business as usual for the Redskins. They'll still be able to sign enough free agents to get them to their typical .500 season.

 

[CalBear]

Haters of the trade... look at it this way.There's a 50% (30%, 70% - whatever you think the number should be) that the Redskins just made their team much better for the next decade. And if they miss the consequence is that they'll be as bad for the next five years as they have the last 20.

The chance that RGIII as the #2 pick will help the team significantly more than the #6 pick they would have had, and the three other picks they gave up, is way lower than 50%. 50% is maybe the probability that RGIII is as at least as good as first-round pick Rex Grossman. If we say the three other first rounders have a 40% chance of being reasonable players (that RGIII is more likely to be reasonable than they are), and the second rounder has a 20% chance, the Redskins just gave up an 80+% chance of getting a reasonable player in exchange for a 50% chance of getting a reasonable player. And they gave up any chance of getting more than one. The downside is that they've reduced their opportunities for success. Either RGIII works out, or he doesn't. If he does, maybe they can get by without a first-round pick for a couple of years. If he doesn't, they're hosed for years.

A good QB is much more valuable than a good player at any other position. I would gladly trade a Pro Bowl TE, MLB, and WR for one Pro Bowl QB. A guy like Rivers, Manning, Roethlisberger, or Rodgers can get you to at least 8 wins in a season on his own. So yea...the Skins will be missing out on the opportunity to draft some good players, but I'd gladly take one Cam Newton for Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and LaRon Landry.

Yes, a good QB is more important than any other position, but that doesn't mean that the QB will be good. Is Matt Ryan (1.03) really much better than Joe Flacco (1.18)? Alex Smith (1.01) better than Aaron Rodgers (1.24)? Eli Manning (1.01) better than Phillip Rivers (1.04) or Ben Roethlisberger (1.11)? And those are just the top picks who aren't complete busts; there have been a bunch of those in the past 10 years, too. Look at Ponder, Dalton, Freeman; I'd rather have one of those guys, plus two first-round picks and a second-rounder, than Sam Bradford.

 

[Mario Kart]

Wild prediction:

Colts draft RG3 and the Redskins draft Luck.

 

[southeastjerome]

People who think this is a bad trade for the Redskins are missing the point. You can argue that you think RG3 will be great or you think he will suck. The fact of the matter is the Redskins are in dire need for a franchise QB. This team was desperate for a QB last year, but traded out from the chance of drafting Gabbert. So obviously they hold RG3 in high regard. Here were there other options at QB:

1.) Stay put, draft Tannehill and then sign Orton. This would leave the skins in mediocrity next year and beyond that Tannehill has a much higher bust risk than RG3 in most expert's opinions. Sinking 3-4 more years into QB's that they are not sure is the answer is the wrong way to approach things.

2.) Stay put, sign Orton and draft a Brandon Weeden type. Second tier QB's have been a risky proposition at best in recent years. Again, they'd be in a position of hoping that the QB situation works out.

3.) Go balls out to sign Manning. Great QB, but the Skins need to get young, they aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year and Manning's window is pretty small. Also the team would be assuming a larger financial risk and would need to sink all their eggs into signing other big names to surround Manning. The Skins have been down this path before and it has not worked.

4.) Go balls out to sign Flynn. This was probably the next best option for them. Still, Flynn does carry some risk and would also bring a larger financial burden. They were never associated with Flynn and he doesn't seem to be a good fit for what they want to do.

Ultimately, if RG3 is a pro bowl caliber QB, this is a good trade for Washington. If he is not a good QB, it is a bad trade. It is impossible to judge it now, but as a Skins fan I love it. Sure, it sucks not having the 2 first rounders and the 2nd rounder, but if RG3 turns out to be what the Redskins and most NFL experts think he can be, it will be well worth it. The option of taking a QB that you like but don't love like a Blaine Gabbert and toiling in the bottom half of the league for the next half a decade or more is not all that appealing to me and most other Skins fans. At least RG3 gives them a chance to be great again. What is the worst that can happen? They finish dead last in the NFC East the last 4 years? Bottom line, this team needed to take a chance, I love it.

Actually they're trading 3 first rounders and a second. One of them a top 6 pick...

True, but they are getting one back. 3-1 = 2. They do have a 1st rounder this year. They don't in 2013 and 2014.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I don't see any chance that Washington flips this pick.

Nor should they. Despite what people think historically, winning the super bowl right now means having a great qb. The last 11 rings have been won by 5 guys. By draft pick...#1 - 3#4 - 2#22 - 1 A high second rounder (1) and Tom Brady (3) You aren't winning the title witt Matt cassell or Rex grossman.

Not that it changes your point, but 2 of those rings have been won by Roethlisberger who was drafted 11.

 

[southeastjerome]

Yes, but with the rookie wage scale, the top 5-10 picks are worth more. It used to be that it was hard to sell picks in the top 10 because no one wanted to commit big $$ to rookies. Now that they do not have to, I think you'll see that top 5 picks will go for a lot more than they have in the past. Many of the NFL insiders are also saying that Cleveland stepped up their offer, so obviously the Redskins outbid them and did what they had to do to get the deal done.

Redskins are giving up a top 6 pick in the deal.. So if the bolded potion of your statement is correct, the trade looks even worse..

Last I checked #2 is worth more than #6. Picks 2 and 6 both fall in the top 10. So while the 6 is worth more, the 2nd is worth that much more. Especially in a draft like this where there are two elite QB's. At 6 you are looking at Two years ago, the Rams would never have gotten this deal. If you really think otherwise, perhaps you're a bit naive. Bottom line is that it costs more to move up now than it did at the time for the deals you referenced.

Do you think the Giants and Giants fans would do that trade again? Do you think they would do it again if they had to throw in another 1st rounder? Basically that would have ended up meaning that they give up Mathias Kiwanuka. Still a good deal for the Giants? I think so. As I said above, it was a high price, but if RG3 is a pro bowl QB, you cannot put a price tag on that and this will be a great deal for the Redskins.

With the guarantee of 2 Super Bowls I'd say yes the Giants would do it again.. And probably would consider a 3rd first rounder.

RGIII doesn't guarantee 2 SB.. And even if the Giants would have thrown in a 3rd first rounder.. The Redskins are still paying more because as you've said, top5-10 picks are worth more now..

Better question, would the falcons give an additional 1st rounder for Vick, knowing what they know now... Better yet, would they have done the original deal knowing what they know now?

The Giants would consider throwing in the 3rd first rounder in hindsight? Good to know.RG3 doesn't guarantee the Skins 2 Super Bowls? I thought everything in the draft was a sure thing, so great posting here.

Vick based on the fact that he ended up having serious character issues wasn't worth the trade up. I could be way off, but I'm willing to bet anything that if RG3 struggles it is not because of character issues as with Vick. Also RG3 is a much better pocket passer than Vick when he came out. Obviously RG3 is not not the caliber runner Vick is/was, but he was terrifically accurate as a college QB.

 

[bigunreal]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

It's hilarious the way so many fans think a QB can singlehandedly turn an awful team (like the Redskins) around. Yes, the Colts last season proved that perhaps Peyton Manning is in a class of his own in this regard, but even there I think you have to factor in how bad their backup QBs were and the fact a lot of those key offensive players got old at the same time.

The 49ers came within a couple of fumbles of making the Super Bowl last year, with the much maligned "bust" Alex Smith at QB. Is Joe Flacco a "bust?" Mark Sanchez has been ordinary at best, but has done some nice things in the playoffs. Is he a "franchise" QB? Yes, the passing game now demands a solid QB, but if the top QBs were all that mattered, then either Brees or Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl.

All QBs get way too much blame and way too much credit.

 

[Warrior]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

It's hilarious the way so many fans think a QB can singlehandedly turn an awful team (like the Redskins) around. Yes, the Colts last season proved that perhaps Peyton Manning is in a class of his own in this regard, but even there I think you have to factor in how bad their backup QBs were and the fact a lot of those key offensive players got old at the same time.

The 49ers came within a couple of fumbles of making the Super Bowl last year, with the much maligned "bust" Alex Smith at QB. Is Joe Flacco a "bust?" Mark Sanchez has been ordinary at best, but has done some nice things in the playoffs. Is he a "franchise" QB? Yes, the passing game now demands a solid QB, but if the top QBs were all that mattered, then either Brees or Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl.

All QBs get way too much blame and way too much credit.

 

[coolnerd]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax. It's hilarious the way so many fans think a QB can singlehandedly turn an awful team (like the Redskins) around. Yes, the Colts last season proved that perhaps Peyton Manning is in a class of his own in this regard, but even there I think you have to factor in how bad their backup QBs were and the fact a lot of those key offensive players got old at the same time. The 49ers came within a couple of fumbles of making the Super Bowl last year, with the much maligned "bust" Alex Smith at QB. Is Joe Flacco a "bust?" Mark Sanchez has been ordinary at best, but has done some nice things in the playoffs. Is he a "franchise" QB? Yes, the passing game now demands a solid QB, but if the top QBs were all that mattered, then either Brees or Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl. All QBs get way too much blame and way too much credit.

I think you are proving the point, you are trying to refute. All of those "solid" guys were overdrafted players. Alex Smith was not the best player in his draft. He was a bright, spread offense QB, who had one dynamic year at largley disregarded school who went number 1 overall. Sanchez had one year starting experience and the Jets went to get him. Flacco was a 1-AA (whatever they call it these days) QB who the Ravens traded up to get. Teams did this just to get QBs who graded out at just over average as a probrable career. The ways to get an average or above QB in this league1) Be awful enough to be at the top of the draft. 2) Get lucky that a late round/un dradfted guy develops mostly out of nowhere. 3) Pay a large dollar free agent contract to a guy with little real game in, game out experience.4) Trade multiple picks to get at point 1 or 35) Have a moderate draft pick spend multiple years behind a starter and develop. In short getting even a JAG QB in the NFL requires some combination of agressivenss, luck, timing, and forethought. Mostly teams are going to overpay in some manner.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

Do you think Carolina would trade Cam for 2 future 1sts and a 2nd right now? Would you? Would anyone?

 

[CalBear]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

Do you think Carolina would trade Cam for 2 future 1sts and a 2nd right now? Would you? Would anyone?

It's three future firsts; to be equivalent, they would have traded the 1.01 for the 1.05, two other firsts and a second last year.There's no question they would have done that before the draft if someone offered it to them.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

Do you think Carolina would trade Cam for 2 future 1sts and a 2nd right now? Would you? Would anyone?

It's three future firsts; to be equivalent, they would have traded the 1.01 for the 1.05, two other firsts and a second last year.There's no question they would have done that before the draft if someone offered it to them.

Who said anything about before the draft? He was arguing that even if he becomes a stud he's not worth what they gave up. So knowing that Newton, his example, is a stud, would they trade him for what Washington gave up? I say no way, and I don't think any GM in the league would either.We can argue all day about statistics and the probability of getting a good player, but the people saying that this trade wasn't worth it even if RG3 becomes an absolute stud QB are off their rocker. Can someone look back and see how many teams have used their last three 1st rounders and one 2nd rounder to get four players that they'd take over an uber-stud QB? I'd venture to guess that it's not many, if any at all.

 

[CalBear]

We can argue all day about statistics and the probability of getting a good player, but the people saying that this trade wasn't worth it even if RG3 becomes an absolute stud QB are off their rocker. Can someone look back and see how many teams have used their last three 1st rounders and one 2nd rounder to get four players that they'd take over an uber-stud QB? I'd venture to guess that it's not many, if any at all.

Well, Minnesota's last three first-round picks have been Harvin, Peterson, and Ponder. Throw in Kyle Rudolph from the second round. But generally I agree, a stud QB is worth more than a bunch of draft picks; it's just way premature to declare any not-yet-drafted QB a future stud.

 

[gradin123]

I honestly don't follow college that closely but after looking at this guy on film two things concern me.

1. He isn't very big. Just ask Michael Vick how hard it is to be a smallish mobile QB in the NFL. Dude is going to take some big hits and I really don't know if he has the body type to absorb it. Cam Newton is huge and he hurts people who try to tackle him but RG 3 is built more like Vick and he won't punish anyone when he scrambles. RG 3 did miss nearly a whole year of college due to injury so there is some history here too.

2. I don't know how well RG 3 will be able to read defenses and throw into tight spots. I think this is where Luck stands well above RG 3. RG 3 played in a weak defensive conference and wasn't forced to make a lot of the tough reads that are routine in the NFL.

That being said he may put up decent fantasy numbers WHEN he is healthy.

 

[cstu]

Football is about winning, and you must have a good team to win. Look at Cam Newton last season- do you expect RGIII to put up numbers remotely approaching his? And exactly what did Newton's stats do for the Panthers? They still had an awful year. And remember, the Panthers have WAY more offensive talent than the Redskins do, even if they sign VJax.

It's hilarious the way so many fans think a QB can singlehandedly turn an awful team (like the Redskins) around. Yes, the Colts last season proved that perhaps Peyton Manning is in a class of his own in this regard, but even there I think you have to factor in how bad their backup QBs were and the fact a lot of those key offensive players got old at the same time.

The 49ers came within a couple of fumbles of making the Super Bowl last year, with the much maligned "bust" Alex Smith at QB. Is Joe Flacco a "bust?" Mark Sanchez has been ordinary at best, but has done some nice things in the playoffs. Is he a "franchise" QB? Yes, the passing game now demands a solid QB, but if the top QBs were all that mattered, then either Brees or Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl.

All QBs get way too much blame and way too much credit.

I think you are proving the point, you are trying to refute. All of those "solid" guys were overdrafted players. Alex Smith was not the best player in his draft. He was a bright, spread offense QB, who had one dynamic year at largley disregarded school who went number 1 overall. Sanchez had one year starting experience and the Jets went to get him. Flacco was a 1-AA (whatever they call it these days) QB who the Ravens traded up to get. Teams did this just to get QBs who graded out at just over average as a probrable career. The ways to get an average or above QB in this league

1) Be awful enough to be at the top of the draft.

2) Get lucky that a late round/un dradfted guy develops mostly out of nowhere.

3) Pay a large dollar free agent contract to a guy with little real game in, game out experience.

4) Trade multiple picks to get at point 1 or 3

5) Have a moderate draft pick spend multiple years behind a starter and develop.

In short getting even a JAG QB in the NFL requires some combination of agressivenss, luck, timing, and forethought. Mostly teams are going to overpay in some manner.

Most QB's take time to develop, regardless of where they were drafted. You left on 6) Take a chance on an injured FA Pro Bowl QB (Brees).

 

[pantherclub]

I dont know if RG3 will be good or not, but I do know that if he is just an average QB this is going to set the Skins back probably close to a decade. Thats a lot of high end talent to give up.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Let's see, keep farting along with QBs like Rex and Beck and finish in the basement of the NFC East along with their first round picks, OR, get one of the best QB athletes and prospects to come along in a while, and use FA to grab your other needs since your owner has more money than God. I'll take option 2 all day long Alex!

What about signing Matt Flynn for free and using the draft picks to fill the 100 holes on that team?Guarantee RGIII will flop with little talent around him for oh I dunno 3 damn years!

The only reason this isn't a terrible trade for the Redskins is that they can buy whatever they want. The picks are practically irrelevant to them.

In theory. However, they haven't shown the ability to score on hardly any of these players they spend all the $ on in FA. It would be fine if they had this unlimited money and smart ownership, but that doesn't seem to the case.

 

[higgins]

I dont know if RG3 will be good or not, but I do know that if he is just an average QB this is going to set the Skins back probably close to a decade. Thats a lot of high end talent to give up.

I'm no skins fan, but there is no way this is true. It may have been with the past CBA, when you had to pay rookies an exorbitant amount of guaranteed money, but that's not the case anymore. And... a decade?

 

[duaneok66]

I dont know if RG3 will be good or not, but I do know that if he is just an average QB this is going to set the Skins back probably close to a decade. Thats a lot of high end talent to give up.

I'm no skins fan, but there is no way this is true. It may have been with the past CBA, when you had to pay rookies an exorbitant amount of guaranteed money, but that's not the case anymore. And... a decade?

exaggeration is the norm in the Shark Poool.

 

[Buck Stop]

I honestly don't follow college that closely but after looking at this guy on film two things concern me.1. He isn't very big.

If you watched the Underwear Olympics he was actually pretty jacked. I get what you're saying, he's not a physical monster like Cam (who is) but I don't see him as thin or frail either. And he's much more likely to stay in the pocket and pass than run all over the field the way Vick did (especially early in his career) Remember Steve Young wasn't a big guy either, but he moved quite well in the pocket but was still a passer first.

 

[rzrback77]

I honestly don't follow college that closely but after looking at this guy on film two things concern me.1. He isn't very big.

If you watched the Underwear Olympics he was actually pretty jacked. I get what you're saying, he's not a physical monster like Cam (who is) but I don't see him as thin or frail either. And he's much more likely to stay in the pocket and pass than run all over the field the way Vick did (especially early in his career) Remember Steve Young wasn't a big guy either, but he moved quite well in the pocket but was still a passer first.

Robert Griffin III 6-2 223Drew Brees 6-1 220Aaron Rodgers 6-2 220Matthew Stafford 6-2 225Tom Brady 6-4 210Tony Romo 6-2 219Eli Manning 6-4 218He's equal to or more solid than all of the above

 

[duaneok66]

perception > reality

 

[pantherclub]

I dont know if RG3 will be good or not, but I do know that if he is just an average QB this is going to set the Skins back probably close to a decade. Thats a lot of high end talent to give up.

I'm no skins fan, but there is no way this is true. It may have been with the past CBA, when you had to pay rookies an exorbitant amount of guaranteed money, but that's not the case anymore. And... a decade?

Based on the history of the Skins in drafting and free agents then this is absolutely true. They dont have a strong enough front office to identify talent in the case if RG3 is a marginal at best player. I am not saying he is going to bust or be great just that the Skins have put themselves in a huge hole and have to find talent some other way now, somethign that they havent been doing very well of late.