jimmy_cash
Footballguy
Good deal who had Ogunleye on there fantasy teams, like me.
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
#1, #2, #3... what does it matter in today's NFL?Terry Shea's offense spreads the ball around.Booker and Terrell have been the starters, so Justin Gage and Terrell will be the starters with Bobby Wade being the #3 WR, with Merritt/Berrian battling it out for the #4 spot.... and while NONE of these guys are Pro Bowlers, I don't recall seeing Eddie Kennison or Johnny Morton in the Pro Bowl last year, despite Trent Green having a breakout season with Priest Holmes with NO receiving TDs.Regarding O-Gun, I'd expect him to have somewhere between 8 to 12 sacks. Jason Taylor isn't playing on the opposite side of the D-Line in Chicago.Alex Brown and Haynes will rotate at the other D-End spot.I think it's a good trade for both teams. While not 'spectacular', Marty Booker will quietly put up solid numbers if given the chance. I still chuckle at the play last year where Book beat 'the great' Champ Bailey on a pass route for a TD, and Bailey not only ate one of Booker's cleats, he pulled himself out of the rest of the game.
Didn't Terrell "turn it around" last year and the year before that too?Once again, somebody that's living in LAST YEAR.Rex Grossman has looked VERY good this preseason.David Terrell has turned his act around and been the consumate professional this offseason.Their O-Line is much better than last year with the addition of John Tait and Ruben Brown....and Thomas Jones not only has hands made out of velcro, he can take the ball to the endzone on any given play.Marty Booker was a bad fit for Terry Shea's offensive system, and Rex Grossman NEVER had any chemistry built with the guy.A good trade for both teams.The Bears:No QB, WR (without booker) are bums (Terell is a clown), their defense will be on the field the entire first half, so watch for the 2nd half blow outs again this year.Could they be the worse team in football? Arizona and Chargers are pretty bad, but why would you trade away Booker!?! The only offensive player worth a damn on that team
FootballFreakX
Footballguy
Ha ha ha.Not sure which team is least improved by this trade. The Fins did the right thing and got something for a guy they would lose for nothing in 2005 anyway. But as solid as Booker is, what is he going to do in this terrible offense. Getting a 3rd round pick may be the best part of this trade for the Fins.As for the Bears, smells of Lovie doesn't it? Booker, Gage and Terrell weren't the best trio of receivers to begin with. Take Booker out, and who is Grossman going to pass to this year? Defense improves yes, but they are going to need a great defense if they want to stay in games.
flooredyas
Footballguy
I'll counter that with Gage on the Offensive side-Oh Yeah, Rex as well. Dynasty draft.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Ya, the Bears WR crew downright suck compared to: Kennison/Morton/BoergterWhen you consider what Philly paid for Jevon Kearse, and that the Phins wanted a 1st and 3rd round pick for O-Gun, I think the Bears did a good job of holding out until they got the player they wanted at THEIR price.For those around this board, my despise for Dave Wannstedt is well known. But he has been backed into a corner to get playmakers on offense, now that Ricky has his lips wrapped around a bong, and David Boston is out. Miami's (and Wanny's) window of opportunity to win is NOW - that defense is getting old.
nflguru
Footballguy
Living in last year?!? I have been living the nightmare for decades. 7-9 at best this season. Rex Grossman, the kid that has never played was not having chemistry with a pro bowl receiver so we trade the receiver?? If you can't make a wr pro bowl receiver fit your offense then your offense should leave!Again, I live here (chicago), watch them every week, want them to win, but bet against them because I know they suck!Once again, somebody that's living in LAST YEAR.Rex Grossman has looked VERY good this preseason.David Terrell has turned his act around and been the consumate professional this offseason.Their O-Line is much better than last year with the addition of John Tait and Ruben Brown....and Thomas Jones not only has hands made out of velcro, he can take the ball to the endzone on any given play.Marty Booker was a bad fit for Terry Shea's offensive system, and Rex Grossman NEVER had any chemistry built with the guy.A good trade for both teams.The Bears:No QB, WR (without booker) are bums (Terell is a clown), their defense will be on the field the entire first half, so watch for the 2nd half blow outs again this year.Could they be the worse team in football? Arizona and Chargers are pretty bad, but why would you trade away Booker!?! The only offensive player worth a damn on that team
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
OK, if your such an expert on Grossman, I'm sure you'll know who the last rookie QB to win his first two NFL starts was then.Booker was simply the tallest midget the past few years. I'll admit it. ....and last year, he was a VERY short tallest midget. 700 yards and 4TDs from your leading receiver? NO BIG LOSS....Living in last year?!? I have been living the nightmare for decades. 7-9 at best this season. Rex Grossman, the kid that has never played was not having chemistry with a pro bowl receiver so we trade the receiver?? If you can't make a wr pro bowl receiver fit your offense then your offense should leave!Again, I live here (chicago), watch them every week, want them to win, but bet against them because I know they suck!Once again, somebody that's living in LAST YEAR.Rex Grossman has looked VERY good this preseason.David Terrell has turned his act around and been the consumate professional this offseason.Their O-Line is much better than last year with the addition of John Tait and Ruben Brown....and Thomas Jones not only has hands made out of velcro, he can take the ball to the endzone on any given play.Marty Booker was a bad fit for Terry Shea's offensive system, and Rex Grossman NEVER had any chemistry built with the guy.A good trade for both teams.The Bears:No QB, WR (without booker) are bums (Terell is a clown), their defense will be on the field the entire first half, so watch for the 2nd half blow outs again this year.Could they be the worse team in football? Arizona and Chargers are pretty bad, but why would you trade away Booker!?! The only offensive player worth a damn on that team
nflguru
Footballguy
Come on, who was throwing him the ball last year? who was running the football? How often were they losing and the other team's defense sitting in pass mode?How many times did that stupid offense throw the wr screen for 2 yards last year and previous seasons? When you dont throw down field, you are not going to rack up big yard games as a wide out.Not sure I care much about who won their first two rookie starts. I like Grossman, he is not a bad quarterback, but will you draft him?
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Guru, if you're as big a Bears fan as you claim to be, you also realize that unless the Bears D-Line pressures the QB, they're dead in the water. They didn't even come CLOSE to sacking Bulger last week against a couple of stiffs at offensive tackle for the Rams. ....and we all know the Vikings and Packers do NOT have stiffs at O-Tackle. (insert any classless joke about Korey Stringer here).Every year a dozen or so quick athletic WRs are available either through free agency or the draft. That is NOT the case with Defensive Ends.So time will tell....Lovie Smith is a defensive minded coach, and Terry Shea was never 'in love' with Marty Booker - so this move doesn't surprise me one bit.
nflguru
Footballguy
I agree with you on the defensive pressure. I'm not sure it was a bad trade; I’m just saying Booker is better than the stats he shows in that poor offense. He is going to another poor offense (without Ricky Williams) they will have difficulty passing the football.They do need to get sacks; they very rarely did with the front group. I am a big Bear fan though, been for many years. It's tough to watch them suck each year and if they wanted to, could have went after a legitimate QB, corner and other areas that really need help. I like Gage and also like Wade. Terrell blows up and puts his team in bad positions, this will happen this year for sure. But are these guys the best football wr out there? You have other teams with 3rd and 4th wr in their depth charts that are as good as these guys.The Bears continue to fill the stands and fill the field with middle of the road players and even lower in some areas. Would like to see them make some real moves at start athletes. Maybe this defensive trade is the beginning?? We'll see...
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
I think this trade makes sense for both teams, but that the Bears come out better for it. Miami knew they weren't going to be able to re-sign Ogun, so at least they addressed a need while getting rid of someone who whose contract situation would have been an issue all year. That said, I think Miami should have been able to get a decent RB for him, unless they are really happy with Minor, Morris, and Russell. I think a good RB would have been more important to Miami's success than a #2 WR, even if Booker is a significant upgrade over Thompson.For the Bears, this is a very good deal because it addresses their most important weakness, a non-existent pass rush. Their defense becomes much better as a result - it was so infuriating watching opposing passers sit there, read the paper, have a cup of coffee, and then find the open man. This helps not only the d-line, but also the secondary who don't have to cover guys for 7 seconds a play now. If the rookies can give a good push up the middle, Ogunleye should get double digit sacks. First thing I've seen in the Bears' off-season that has me excited. Of course, it also means that Gage and Terrell need to step up in a significant way. Still, the improvement on D more than compensates for the weakening on O, in my opinion. BEAR DOWN CHICAGO BEARS!
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Bad trap to walk into there.The answer: Ryan Leaf
cstu
Footballguy
Great trade for the Bears and I'll tell you why - you can't get just promote a backup DE and get a pass rusher like Wale. There's not much loss in going from Booker and Terrell to Terrell and Gage. Chicago still has enough WR's to get the job done but without a solid defense they will not be much better than last year. At least now their defense should be able to hold some teams and help keep them in their normal offense, which will help Thomas Jones and the passing game.
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Sister Havana
Footballguy
I am a Bears fan and an IU fan, so of course I am very excited to have Wale as a Bear. I am surprised that Booker was traded and not A-Train, but you have to give something to get something...and the Bears got a stud.
alexknapik
Footballguy
Remember that Grossman practiced with Gage as a 2nd-stringer for most of the season last year, and has shown a especially solid connection with him....
flooredyas
Footballguy
No truth, just instinct's. Tomorrow, after the physicals are passed, and the ink is drying, expect SOMETHING-probably that- to happen. If thats what they want, as this trade has move #2 written all over it.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Actually, they do. But even more importantlyGage/Terrell/Clark suck compared to Kennsion/Morton/GonzalesandGage/Terrell/Clark/Jones suck compared to Kennison/Morton/Gonzales/HolmesIt was a solid trade for CHI and they've had a very solid off-season as far as I'm concerned, but the receiving targets in KC are much better than the ones in CHI right now.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Buzzer sound....WRONG! Try again.It's kind of odd that all these QBs get drafted so high, and get thrown to the wolves so early and nobody can figure this out...Peyton Manning... Kyle Boller... Byron McSandwich... etc. etc.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
BoltBacker, would you like to lay down some kind of wager that Terrell/Gage/Wade put up bigger numbers than Kennison/Morton/Boergter (or however you spell the Canuck's name)Don't misconstrue what I originally said by throwing Gonzo into the mix. Of COURSE Gonzo is not worse than Desmond Clark.
BingoBrown
Footballguy
But really, to be fair, you have to include Tony G in any debate on the Chiefs' receiving corps. Gonzo is their best receiver.Also the wager should be Kennison/Boerigter/Hall, as Morton's Achilles injury could keep him out for most of the season. Additionally, you'd have to compare Thomas Jones and Priest Holmes as well, as Priest was the 4th leading receiver on the Chiefs team last year.
Honestly I'd have to say that if you think Grossman's going to throw for 4,000 yards this year, you'd be fooling yourself. That's what Trent Green did last year, and he should come close again. Kennison/Boerigter/Hall/Gonzalez/Holmes, barring significant injury, should have no problem coming up with higher receiving numbers than Terrell/Gage/Wade/Clark/Jones.
nflguru
Footballguy
Dunno, maybe it is a good trade. We (da bears) have had lineman that were going to be "Another Richard Dent" and turned into bums. Spellman ring a bell? Theirry? The line pressure has been an issue for sometime now. I hope that this changes things. Wade/Gage and Terrell now will get their catches. I'm just glad shoop is gone. I've never witnessed so many 3 and outs in my life watching that offense.
RoosterScott
Footballguy
Booker wasn't cut for this offense anyways and with him in this offense he was going to hinder the development of Gage. After training camp concluded the staff realized two things, 1) Terrell can actually run a route and 2) Gage has been the most impressive WR in camp. Based upon the fact that Booker and Terrell are similar in size and speed the tie-breaker then became contracts. Terrell is playing for pennies while Booker was locked up through 2008. If the round peg doesn't fit the square peg, trade it. The situation basically took money reserved for a WR who didn't fit the mold of this offense and switched it to an end that basically was the missing link in Lovie's defense. Lovie would've been the laughing stock of the league trying to run a defensive scheme that wasn't fit for his players. Now with Adewale Ogunleye in place the Bears can rotate Brown and Haynes. The Bears top sack leader last year was Alex Brown with 5.5. Embarrassing to say the least so losing a top reciever who pulled in under 800 yds is not much. They tried to get Train as well but stayed firm.I think Adewale Ogunleye will have a much greater impact than Booker could have this year. It's a great trade for the Bears and Dolphins only because they (fins) couldn't afford to sign Adewale Ogunleye. If Urlacher and Azumah were healthy right now this would have the signs of a scarey defense. But there are no such things as IF in football.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Shaun King?
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
DING DING DING!!! We have ourselves a winner.I remember last season when I thought Grossman's feat was pretty special, until I saw the last guy that did it. LOL!I never said it was a 'great' QB.Nice guess Lunchbox!
RustyFA
Footballguy
Ogunleye plays LDE at Miami. Will he continue to play there or will Chicago move him to RDE? I think Chicago got the better side of this trade but, even as a Vikes fan, it is sad to see Booker go. He was an unselfish player and a true team leader. There are not that many players in the NFL who combine his skill and attitude. And lets face the fact that he has never had a decent QB throwing to him.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
If Gage/Terrell/Clark had both Gonzo and Priest vulturing rec/yrd/TD's then I'd make that bet. They don't so I'll stand by what I orignally said; the Bears WR crew downright sucks compared to Kennison/Morton/Boergter. I honestly believe if Kennison or a healthy Morton were on the CHI Bears they would start. Because they are better players. By a pretty healthy margin.Don't misconstrue what I originally said by assuming ^yards=^skill. A lot of times opportunity plays a role in that equation. Was Boldin really the third best WR in the league last year or did he have an awful lot of help to get yards because of opportunity?
