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ON THE CLOCK - With the #1 Overall Pick, Cleveland Selects... (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU said:
A veteran NFL scout told MMQB's Peter King there is "no way" the Browns will pass on Wyoming QB Josh Allen at the No. 1 overall pick.

Per King, this scout was "one of the first to trumpet Carson Wentz" as a high first-round pick coming out of North Dakota State. "There is no way Cleveland, at No. 1, will pass on Josh Allen," the scout insisted. "This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen is a perfect (GM John) Dorsey quarterback. Just watch." Dorsey, of course, is the Browns' new general manager and will over see the team's 2018 draft. Dorsey recently spoke of Chase Daniel and Russell Wilson in a similar light, so we certainly can't rule out him drawing a comparison between Allen and Wentz.
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I don’t understand how a source that is allegedly a vet NFL scout doesn’t understand value that even mediocre FFers do.  If Allen is their guy - and he may be for all we know - they don’t pick him at 1.01 unless he absolutely blows away all competition at the combine/pro day.  

I find it difficult to believe that Allen would be in the top 2 QBs on anyone else’s board right now.  You (CLE) start working on trade talks that set the stage for gaining value by trading down to a point where you can still safely draft that guy.

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Bronco Billy said:
I don’t understand how a source that is allegedly a vet NFL scout doesn’t understand value that even mediocre FFers do.  If Allen is their guy - and he may be for all we know - they don’t pick him at 1.01 unless he absolutely blows away all competition at the combine/pro day.  

I find it difficult to believe that Allen would be in the top 2 QBs on anyone else’s board right now.  You (CLE) start working on trade talks that set the stage for gaining value by trading down to a point where you can still safely draft that guy.

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Sounds like a lot of smoke blowing.

 
Baker Mayfield out there catching TDs, cuz he's so tired of tearing apart Defenses with his arm

:lol:

I can't... This guy has STUD written all over him. My confirmed #1 QB in this class

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Baker Mayfield out there catching TDs, cuz he's so tired of tearing apart Defenses with his arm

:lol:

I can't... This guy has STUD written all over him. My confirmed #1 QB in this class
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Moreso than just talent he has the mental makeup needed of a QB going to Cleveland 

 
Mayfield is a winner. A winning mentality. Refuse to lose.

CLE needs that almost more than actual QB talent (Im stretching, but you get the point)

This is the guy who can save the franchise.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
That would be awesome. This QB class blows.
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But I was told this class was the best!

But seriously, not there with you on this qb class blowing. Not yet anyway. At least 3 of them are very interesting. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The Browns hava many needs.

RB does not appear to be one of them.

FWIW I don’t think Cousins will want to play in CLE. 

But if he does, the Browns should be looking at someone other than RB. 

In which case they could trade down a few spots since Barkley isn’t expected to go 1.01

The cynical part of me wonders if it even matters who they draft at this point. But then I see the Niners go from 1-10 to 5-0 with the right QB, so maybe they can turn it around.  :shrug:
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Rb is a need. But I don't think Barkley is worth a top 5 pick on the team. Best to save short shelf life players for life after Hue.

 
Honestly, Cleveland shouldn't take a QB or RB. They have a great running game with the talent they have(Duke Johnson might be the most underused player in the NFL, he's FAR more than just a 3rd down RB) they just abandoned the run all the time, often for zero reason at all.

Kizer is a very good prospect, who showed lots of positive signs, and lots of negative signs. The coaching staff was/is garbage, as bad as there is in recent in NFL history. I 100% believe that both Wentz and Watson wouldn't have been much(if at all) better than Kizer was. 

They should take BPA, with a heavy lean toward defense. 

 
travdogg said:
Honestly, Cleveland shouldn't take a QB or RB. They have a great running game with the talent they have(Duke Johnson might be the most underused player in the NFL, he's FAR more than just a 3rd down RB) they just abandoned the run all the time, often for zero reason at all.

Kizer is a very good prospect, who showed lots of positive signs, and lots of negative signs. The coaching staff was/is garbage, as bad as there is in recent in NFL history. I 100% believe that both Wentz and Watson wouldn't have been much(if at all) better than Kizer was. 

They should take BPA, with a heavy lean toward defense. 
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Kizer isn't good....and great running game? Come on man

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Kizer isn't good....and great running game? Come on man
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Only Buffalo has a better yards per carry over the last 2 years in the NFL, and one could argue that is inflated because of Taylor. The Browns problem isn't talent, they aren't one of the 5 worst teams in the league on talent, its coaching. 

Why isn't Kizer good? He played better than Jared Goff did as a rookie, better than Eli did, better than Alex Smith did. A lot of that was with #1 WR's like Ricardo Louis and Rashard Higgins. 

Now, Kizer may never become anything with Hue in charge, but logically, drafting a QB at #1 or #4 would be a waste because Hue will just ruin that guy too. Barkley would be a waste of a pick too. RB's aren't worth picks that high, and the Browns bigger needs almost everywhere.

 
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travdogg said:
Only Buffalo has a better yards per carry over the last 2 years in the NFL, and one could argue that is inflated because of Taylor. The Browns problem isn't talent, they aren't one of the 5 worst teams in the league on talent, its coaching. 

Why isn't Kizer good? He played better than Jared Goff did as a rookie, better than Eli did, better than Alex Smith did. A lot of that was with #1 WR's like Ricardo Louis and Rashard Higgins. 

Now, Kizer may never become anything with Hue in charge, but logically, drafting a QB at #1 or #4 would be a waste because Hue will just ruin that guy too. Barkley would be a waste of a pick too. RB's aren't worth picks that high, and the Browns bigger needs almost everywhere.
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It's tough to explain Kizer. He was terrible. But it should have been expected. It's why the qb room as of preseason week 3 didn't make any sense. He was clearly the best one. But he clearly wasn't ready. Nor would have any reasonable person expected him to be. He was young, raw, and had some critical flaws he had to fix. But wasn't given time to do it. 

Then Hue compounded things by mishandling him and calling a game that exposed his weaknesses rather than mask them. None of it had much to do with his weaponry either. He missed wide open guys consistently throughout the season. Or just found them too late. Combine his accuracy issues with his slow eyes post snap and 2017 is what you get. But it was to be expected. 

I think he can develop, but you're not going to have a sense of it when decisions need to be made in spring. Tell him to win the job in camp then keep it. He probably won't but that's what you tell him. If you're a good coach anyway. Problem is his coach is not a good one. 

 
I'd like to see Dorsey make Gettleman nervous enough to trade up for Rosen, letting the Browns take their 2nd and accumulate more picks this year and next. 

I wouldn't mind Browns coming away with Barkley and Mayfield. I also wouldn't mind Fitzpatrick. Either way, two picks in top 4 need to be used and not traded away too easily for later picks. Stay in the top 4 and get some true talent.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Mayfield is a winner. A winning mentality. Refuse to lose.

CLE needs that almost more than actual QB talent (Im stretching, but you get the point)

This is the guy who can save the franchise.
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Careful what you wish for. Luckily for Browns fans it won’t happen.

 
MAC_32 said:
It's tough to explain Kizer. He was terrible. But it should have been expected. It's why the qb room as of preseason week 3 didn't make any sense. He was clearly the best one. But he clearly wasn't ready. Nor would have any reasonable person expected him to be. He was young, raw, and had some critical flaws he had to fix. But wasn't given time to do it. 

Then Hue compounded things by mishandling him and calling a game that exposed his weaknesses rather than mask them. None of it had much to do with his weaponry either. He missed wide open guys consistently throughout the season. Or just found them too late. Combine his accuracy issues with his slow eyes post snap and 2017 is what you get. But it was to be expected. 

I think he can develop, but you're not going to have a sense of it when decisions need to be made in spring. Tell him to win the job in camp then keep it. He probably won't but that's what you tell him. If you're a good coach anyway. Problem is his coach is not a good one. 
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There's no developing to be done, here.  Kizer is good enough an athlete, and a "once in a while" thrower, to be a worthwhile NFL backup QB...if he's any good upstairs.  (As a backup, clipboard and scout team duty actually have value, and you don't get away with that as a dummy.  Not saying Kizer is; just that I don't know.)

But his flaws aren't of the "fix in the off-season" variety.  He frequently missed throws to open receivers by ten yards or more.  And not always very far downfield.  Just line drive lasers to nowhere near where the play was happening.  Some combination of his ability to understand how the play is supposed to develop and his accuracy are not merely "poor," they're terrible.  Terrible like if you put a linebacker in at quarterback and hoped for the best, some of the time.

He might get...*ahem*..."better."  But better than the major cause of an 0-16 season is still at best backup-worthy.  This guy isn't starting caliber as an NFL QB no matter how many years of his life he dedicates to QB-ing.  He needs to be replaced yesterday for this franchise to avoid laughing stock territory.

 
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A fun look back... some gems in here

(ok, it's early to write off some of the mentions in here, but still fun)

 
Soulfly3 said:
A fun look back... some gems in here

(ok, it's early to write off some of the mentions in here, but still fun)
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Congrats on your team appearing to finally draft decently after many years of incompetency. 

Seriously, I do mean it. I'll never be a Browns fan but I do want them to be competitive.

 
-OZ- said:
Congrats on your team appearing to finally draft decently after many years of incompetency. 

Seriously, I do mean it. I'll never be a Browns fan but I do want them to be competitive.
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Dorsey is legitimately a monster. 

Anyone else in that front office, and I have to assume thins are VERY different right now.

 
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