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On the issues: why is HRC v Sanders (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
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Not sure the point of this - the people who back her think she is telling the truth (on some level) and will keep her word. From reading your posts in threads you don't think either of those things - I'm not sure what someone could tell you that would change your mind. FTR, I'm with you and don't consider her to be honest and is just saying whatever it takes to get elected. It will just be a coincidence if what she does resembles what she runs on. As soon as she's elected she'll be doing and saying whatever it takes to get RE-elected.
The Commish
Footballguy
Well, for starters, she's for everything, so there's that. She's for a lot of things now that she wasn't before and vice versa, so she has that going for her. The first task is to determine what she really stands for and go from there. Best I can tell, she has a stronger drive to help children specifically. The rest? That's anybody's guess.
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Doctor Detroit
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Boils down to a probable increase in bridge cards if Sanders is prez.
POW
Footballguy
His tax increase on those making under 200,000 dollars is pretty minimal if you ask me. Especially if we are provided a better universal health care. Bernie's big stance is not letting large companies keep money over seas not subject to taxation. If there is the ability to tax that kind of money you'd probably be living a better quality of life as well. The rich just keep getting richer.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Hillary is largely running as a status-quo candidate. Staying within Obama's framework and with the idea that she can keep grinding out incremental victories against a hostile and intransigent Republican congress.
Bernie is promising sweeping reform and changes to the political process, and subsequent changes to domestic polices that are basically impossible currently.
The Hillary supporters I know don't think Bernie's ideas are practical or palatable once you get outside liberal Democratic circles.
The Sanders supporters I know are tired of the Republican-lite brand of policy we had under Bill Clinton and Obama.
Bernie is promising sweeping reform and changes to the political process, and subsequent changes to domestic polices that are basically impossible currently.
The Hillary supporters I know don't think Bernie's ideas are practical or palatable once you get outside liberal Democratic circles.
The Sanders supporters I know are tired of the Republican-lite brand of policy we had under Bill Clinton and Obama.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Hillary's base is mostly public employees like teachers, idiot bureaucrats and welfare recipients who rely on the gov't teat for their survival. Bernie's base is people who will end up in one of those categories one day, but first they want free college tuition.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
On the issues? because HRC will switch/pivot to whatever you need to hear on the issues.
Meanwhile, Bernie isnt going to sell out for the political game. His type doesn't actually exist in politics.
Meanwhile, Bernie isnt going to sell out for the political game. His type doesn't actually exist in politics.
timschochet
Footballguy
Since you haven't received a serious answer yet from an actual Hillary fan, let me try.
Hillary calls herself a progressive who likes to get things done, which means she is a pragmatist. Many of her goals are the same as Bernie's, but he is an ideologue. She is willing to compromise; he is not. Bernie's votes against TARP and the immigration bill prove this.
Second, Hillary is an internationalist who wants to continue Obama's foreign policy. Bernie is much more of an isolationist.
Finally, while Hillary is no longer in favor of TPP she generally supports free trade ( though for political reasons she won't discuss this.) Bernie opposes free trade.
There's a few more reasons but for me these are the main ones.
Hillary calls herself a progressive who likes to get things done, which means she is a pragmatist. Many of her goals are the same as Bernie's, but he is an ideologue. She is willing to compromise; he is not. Bernie's votes against TARP and the immigration bill prove this.
Second, Hillary is an internationalist who wants to continue Obama's foreign policy. Bernie is much more of an isolationist.
Finally, while Hillary is no longer in favor of TPP she generally supports free trade ( though for political reasons she won't discuss this.) Bernie opposes free trade.
There's a few more reasons but for me these are the main ones.
Hillary is like a mirror; she will reflect whatever views the person wants her to.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The bolded at least gets close to an actual position on something going forward. You should forward it to the Clinton campaign for review.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
For all the talk of her speeches, Hillary has some very concrete proposals for Wall Street reform that many find more substantive than Sanders' (repealing Glass Steagall probably did not cause the 2008 financial crisis).
We might think Bernie is more likely to implement his plan because we find him more credible, but I don't think his actual plan to regulate Wall Street is more credible than Hillary's stated plan.
On stated positions, there is little to distinguish them. When I take one of those web thingies, I end up 97% compatible with Bernie. But I'm 91% compatible with Hillary.
We might think Bernie is more likely to implement his plan because we find him more credible, but I don't think his actual plan to regulate Wall Street is more credible than Hillary's stated plan.
On stated positions, there is little to distinguish them. When I take one of those web thingies, I end up 97% compatible with Bernie. But I'm 91% compatible with Hillary.
The Commish
Footballguy
This generally happens when she decides to take up 90% of his positions in some fashion. Problem is, and will always be, "stated positions".Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
The Commish
Footballguy
Still doing this huh Tim? Bernie's against trade agreements that are harmful to the individual citizens of this country. He doesn't really give a #### about the companies in the scope of "trade" because he gets that this trickle down boondoggle isn't working and hasn't ever really worked.timschochet said:
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