Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Trump needs to go away for good and take Biden and Harris with him.
We deserve so much better from both sides.
We deserve so much better from both sides.
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OP-ED: Why The GOP Should Not Support Trump For POTUS 2024 (9/30/21 00:50 PST) (1 Viewer)
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Herb
Footballguy
Supporting the GOP exclusively while whining about how horrible a philosophy that "the ends justifying the means" is indicates the need to do some research on the meaning of self-awareness. Some barriers to self awareness, according to Positive Psychology:
- Lack of mindfulness
- Cognitive Bias
- Unwillingness to seek feedback
- Confirmation bias
- Remembering Self vs. Experiencing Self
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Yeah, the entirety of the Trump administration was a master class in ends justifying the means. Basically, we'll support whoever and whatever we have to in order to get conservative SCOTUS appointments.
dkp993
Footballguy
Then your declaration of holding of your nose and voting for Trump makes no sense. The ends (getting your conservative polices) doesn’t justify the means (Trump a candidate you “despise”). So your statement above is either not true or you’re a hypocrite.
*for the record I’m not calling you out as a hypocrite just pointing out where the logic of your post leads.
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dkp993
Footballguy
This. So much this.
Can we make this quote the sub-header on the PSF front page please.
The Commish
Footballguy
Bull####
Unless something has changed in the state of Michigan since I lived there, you can vote for anyone who's on the ballot. Write-ins, third party etc. Never was there a time I was there that we had to choose between Democrat and Republican only.
supermike80
Footballguy
Omg. Seriously? That's your reply?
Yes im aware I can vote for anyone. Why do you guys do silly stuff like this??
The Commish
Footballguy
You literally said:
which is completely false and then threw it at the feet of the Democrats as the reason why you'd "have" to vote for him. I know, I know, yet another "You should be able to read my mind and look at my heart to understand the true meaning of my words" moment, right?
No one is forcing you to vote for anyone. You pull the lever because that is YOUR choice. Own it.
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What he is saying is “the ends justify his means for him but they don’t justify for mine”
supermike80
Footballguy
You're just absurd. I mean seriously. What's wrong with you???
You literally said:
which is completely false and then threw it at the feet of the Democrats as the reason why you'd "have" to vote for him. I know, I know, yet another "You should be able to read my mind and look at my heart to understand the true meaning of my words" moment, right?
No one is forcing you to vote for anyone. You pull the lever because that is YOUR choice. Own it.
Let's go ahead and assume, since I am a grown man and I participate on a politics based forum, that I understand how voting works ok? Stop being ridiculous, it makes everything else you post seem uninteresting
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The Commish
Footballguy
na....I don't need to assume when there is evidence provided and it says otherwise
supermike80
Footballguy
Ugh. Ok.na....I don't need to assume when there is evidence provided and it says otherwise
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Do we though?
Seems like we are on the same page on getting what we deserve as far as media goes. We vote for these people, and a decent portion of their calculation is they think they will lose their job if they don't stick to their side across the board. The US population is more and more like this too.
dkp993
Footballguy
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’ve been saying for years we are the problem not the media or the politicians. We have all the power yet have no idea how to use it and thus feel powerless. But as things stand now better choices would be nice.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
quick-hands
Footballguy
quick-hands
Footballguy
Sure but they have to do the work instead of the banks just reporting you.
The IRS can get any financial information about you that they want.....today. That ship sailed in the wake of 9/11
BladeRunner
Footballguy
They pull this game on me too. Take a small handful of words you typed within a sentence out of context and then focus on that. Keep pursuing that and go further down the rabbit hole. That's how they distract from the conversation and overall point you were making.
Same tactic, different day.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yep. Like I posted earlier in response to him - let's not make any more easier for them. At least lets make them work for their money.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
An older (and very conservative) relative once told me "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".
The Commish
Footballguy
As i outlined, it takes MAYBE 5 minutes. If thats your line for outraged vs not, it might be time to do some personal evaluation of the bars youre setting
ren hoek
Footballguy
Once again, Trump was overwhelmingly popular with Republicans. It’s hard to imagine them wanting someone else. I guess there are a few ‘moderate’ Republicans out there, but I also feel like this is a media narrative manufactured by the same people Trump humiliated in 2016. The real question is who will appeal more to independents & nonvoters.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hey ren, it's good to see you back here! What have you been up to?ren hoek said:
shadrap
Footballguy
I call B.S. audited on personal joint return. 6 months later the IRS lady found I owed an extra $150. yep, $150 & I was the one that spotted it & informed her. well, not going to look good with her spending that much time to find $150, so on to my corporation because there has to be something there, right?. the personal I probably spent over 80 hours giving them what they wanted, the corporate probably 400 hours. ended up owing them nothing but they cost me a lot more than money. what people don't understand is that they can bankrupt you over nothing. it does not matter it they have a case because they have unlimited resources. "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" when it comes to government, is utter & total junk.Leroy Hoard said:
quick-hands
Footballguy
Not a fan of liberty are you! That is a soviet mentality. Please tell your relative that.Leroy Hoard said:
quick-hands
Footballguy
It's nice to hear from you.The Commish said:
I wonder why you think it's OK for the IRS weaponizing banks. I thinks it's time YOU evaluate yourself.
You are getting close to Jack Boots.
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The Commish
Footballguy
I don't think it's ok, but the difference between us is I've had a problem with it since the Patriot Act. You seem to only have a problem with it recently. Pointing out that the larger leap was made two decades ago doesn't mean I'm ok with it
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Like I said he's very conservative and includes things like police as part of government. Since they obviously are.
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quick-hands
Footballguy
quick-hands
Footballguy
You are making a ridiculous assumption. I'm one of those Kooks who thought the patriot act would morph into the instrument this jack booted thugs the left is now trying to use to monitor Americans. Thanks Bush.I don't think it's ok, but the difference between us is I've had a problem with it since the Patriot Act. You seem to only have a problem with it recently. Pointing out that the larger leap was made two decades ago doesn't mean I'm ok with it
Which from your support of an administrative state is something you find attractive.
The Commish
Footballguy
You should join the few of us that continue to have issues with things like this consistently. You've never been part of any of those discussions that I can remember. There are but a few of us here who've been consistent on this subject over the last 2 decades
The last sentence makes no sense to me, so if you'd like to clarify, I'd be happy to address. Based on the word jumble, it SEEMS like you and I have very different definitions of "administrative state" but I'm open to clarification on that point.
quick-hands
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
And it remains abundantly clear, many still don't know the reach in the bill. Having been against it from day one as I saw it's impact in my world of technology, its remarkable where some people are now drawing their line. It makes zero sense.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Well, in fairness, if I were against something from day one, and still opposed to it, I would welcome new voices of opposition, even if those voices joined late in the game.
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm definitely of the "better late than never" opinion for sure. In this particular situation, I suspect the opposition really isn't based on the "something" rather the "who" that is doing the "something". Rings kind of hollow, but I do appreciate the company on the bandwagon even if temporary.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I guess I just don't get the "Trump's not gonna run/he shouldn't run" takes. He's going to run, and he'll get something like 99% of the votes he got last time from the same exact people. I'm missing the angle here, is it an attempt to keep people off guard? Create some sort of "drama"?
"And of all the crazy surprises OMG it's Donald Trump and he's gonna run for President!!" Really?
"And of all the crazy surprises OMG it's Donald Trump and he's gonna run for President!!" Really?
The Commish
Footballguy
He's already out with his "I'd completely roll DeSantis if I ran against him" shtick.
quick-hands
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Just for what its worth, the Senate vote was 98–1, with the lone vote against coming from Russ Feingold of Wisconsin.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
It's from people who know Trump is dangerously unfit and would really prefer not to vote for him, but who will if it comes down to it because they hate the Democrats more. Arguing that he won't run is their psychological out.
And you know what? Maybe he won't run. I've given up trying to predict what's going on in that dude's brain. But all indications so far are that he's planning on it.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
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Have you ever heard the term “figure of speech?”
You literally said:
which is completely false and then threw it at the feet of the Democrats as the reason why you'd "have" to vote for him. I know, I know, yet another "You should be able to read my mind and look at my heart to understand the true meaning of my words" moment, right?
No one is forcing you to vote for anyone. You pull the lever because that is YOUR choice. Own it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
There are a lot of people like it though. And the reason you don’t see them defending current “conservative” policy is that so much of it isn’t what once was conservative. Trump’s version of the GOP is not what such people are interested in. That was clear in the primaries in 2016. It was clear during his term…and clear again in the election las year.
Its why people are saying they can’t go back to this version of the GOP.
And yes…a majority of my voting life was spent voting for conservatives.
Bush, McCain…Lamar Alexander. Several governors in TN.
The current two senators?
