Orton trade value (1 Viewer)

[Bayhawks]

Full disclosure: I am thinking about making an offer for Orton to improve my QB situation. I don't want this to be a "should I make this trade" post, so I will avoid mentioning players on my roster, my scoring rules, or anything that would lead it that way.

I would imagine that many FFers drafted Orton as a back-up QB, not their #1 guy. In leagues where Orton is rostered behind Brees, Brady, Manning, etc, he is doing no good on the bench for those teams.

Assuming that Orton is currently the QB2 on his fantasy team (with a #1 that is playing well), what kind of player would make for a fair trade?

A RB1/2? WR1/2? Who are we looking at?

ETA-I was thinking a RB2, or a low-end WR1. Would those kind of guys be too much, too little, or just right?

 

[CaptainHook]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

 

[DoubleG]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

In readraft, offering a decent RB2 or WR2 depending on the need of the team you're trading with, should get it done.

 

[Cassius]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

 

[Bayhawks]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

In readraft, offering a decent RB2 or WR2 depending on the need of the team you're trading with, should get it done.

I would hope this is true. Thanks for the replies.On the other hand, though, Orton is putting up top-10 QB #s, borderline top-5. Even though he might be a back-up, would his value still be that low?

 

[Hugonel]

Leading the league in passing yards and attempts, with a decent amount of TDs (6). I have to think more TDs will follow (i.e., a greater %).

I think there are plenty of teams who'd start this guy over other #1 QB draft picks.

If I only got a low end #2 RB for him I think I'd hold him and would only take a #2 WR if I was hurting pretty bad there. I bet plenty of teams drafted Flacco, Ryan, Romo, and Schaub as a #1 who are rethinking things. Maybe wouldn't start him over Schaub yet, but I would in a week or so if the pace continues.

 

[CaptainHook]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

yea im personally starting him and love him and wouldnt give him up for less than a top 30 player. but the original post was referring to teams where hes the backup behind an unbenchable stud which i think is the case in a ton of leagues.

 

[Hugonel]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

yea im personally starting him and love him and wouldnt give him up for less than a top 30 player. but the original post was referring to teams where hes the backup behind an unbenchable stud which i think is the case in a ton of leagues.

But his trade value is derived by the demand from teams who actually need him. If you shopped him to teams who don't need him except as a backup then you'd be better keeping him unless you have had your WR or RB corps decimated by injuries.

 

[CaptainHook]

if he was my backup to peyton manning, i would trade him for a top 60 player.

 

[Texican]

if he was my backup to peyton manning, i would trade him for a top 60 player.

If he were my backup to Peyton Manning, I'd trade Manning for a top 10 player.

 

[gump]

Owners of guys with drafted starters like Eli, Flacco, and Ryan are different than owners with drafted starters like Romo and Schaub.

The former should be ready to plug Orton in and roll with him...I don't think the latter will be ready to do that yet.

 

[footballfreek]

I own Orton and Romo. In a league that has zero FA QBs available and a few teams in bad need I will wait for someone to come to me. It will take a low end WR1 to get Orton from me.

 

[UW72]

I have Rodgers and Orton in one of my keeper-leagues and tried to trade Orton to a guy with Eli Manning as his starter.

I asked for Fitz, since I am very poor at WR, he has Nicks and Austin. My thinking was, that Fitz is currently not even in the Top 20 of WR,

while Orton is the #3 QB in our league settings.

He rejected and said it was an insult to ask for it...

 

[CaptainHook]

lmao. orton is gona have to be the #1 fantasy qb to shake his stigma.

 

[Birdie048]

I drafted M Ryan & Big Ben... picked up Orton after Week 1 and have 3 QB's in a start 1 QB league.... tight roster

12 Team Redraft ppr

I have been shopping Orton to several teams with no luck.

1 Owner of Eli and no backup offered Leon Washington & Jordan Shipley.... PASS

The team who lost Vick has Bradford backup. I asked for B Marshall. Rejected - no counter.

Another team has only Brady..... waiting to hear back.

There are 3 teams in need of QB help & 3 who would upgrade and no reasonable offers received yet.

I offered Orton & Benson for Mendy. Rejected (Eli owner)

I offered Orton & Addai for Mendy & Bowe. Rejected (Eli owner / he also has Brown)

I offered Orton & MSW for Calvin. Rejected (Eli owner)

I offered Orton & Betts for J Stew. Rejected (McNabb owner)

I offered Orton & Betts for Colston & Lynch (Moore/Stafford owner)... no reply

WHAT IS HIS VALUE? I'd like to know as well!

I would take a RB2 for him without issue. I am not getting even that offered.

 

[CaptainHook]

Keep orton. trade big ben.

 

[solorca]

I was recently offered a trade of Brees and Celek for Orton and Miles Austin, and I turned it down. Personally, I am 100% confident with him as my starting QB, so I wouldn't let him go for anything short of an RB1 or maybe a WR1. If I had Manning or Rodgers, I would probably trade one of those guys for a stud RB/WR and use Orton.

It's funny though. Unless you actually have Orton, it seems like no one is willing to give him any respect.

 

[whitem0nkey]

If you can move Orton do it now, the next two weeks he plays BAL and NYJ and his trade value should drop.

 

[Mistabishi]

If you can move Orton do it now, the next two weeks he plays BAL and NYJ and his trade value should drop.

The way Tenn has been taking away the pass I thought last week was the one to move him but I was wrong.To chime in, I can't get didly for him at the moment for trade but I'm still trying.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Just landed Orton in one of my 12 team non ppr dynastys.

I was offered: Orton and 2 waiver wire scrubs i already cut

for Hasslebach BJGE and Jacoby Jones.

Good deal all around cause of both teams makeup.

He owns Brees so now Hass backs him up and he was more interested in BJGE and J.Jones for depth. His top rb's are ok (Sjax/Hillis/Barber/Felix) so i imagine he takes a shot there to see if BJGE sticks a a good contributor.

I have Cutler at qb and really am worried with him as my qb1 so Orton made alot of sense for me here.

Im deep at rb with Foster LT/Green R.Matthews DWill and other nice young sleepers. And BJGE was a ww pickup last week for me anyways

So its a win win with this deal.

 

[Alberta Clipper]

I'm a Romo/Orton in a league with little FA QB avail. I'll hold hiim for a top 8-15 WR and start considering matchups to possibly start the Big O over Romo.

Owners of guys with drafted starters like Eli, Flacco, and Ryan are different than owners with drafted starters like Romo and Schaub.The former should be ready to plug Orton in and roll with him...I don't think the latter will be ready to do that yet.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

How many other top 10 QB's would you say that you'd be willing to start him over with confidence on non-bye weeks from here on out? Here's my list of clearly superior top-10's who I wouldn't start him overeyton

Brady

Rodgers

Rivers

Brees

Romo

Schaub

There are more who I'd say it's at best debateable, such as for example Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, etc.

In other words, Orton's "top 10" the way that I'm "top 100". He's got value but there can't be any faith that he's got sustainability. I think his effective trade value is around QB 12-15, both in dynasty and redraft.

 

[Cassius]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

How many other top 10 QB's would you say that you'd be willing to start him over with confidence on non-bye weeks from here on out? Here's my list of clearly superior top-10's who I wouldn't start him overeyton

Brady

Rodgers

Rivers

Brees

Romo

Schaub

There are more who I'd say it's at best debateable, such as for example Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, etc.

In other words, Orton's "top 10" the way that I'm "top 100". He's got value but there can't be any faith that he's got sustainability. I think his effective trade value is around QB 12-15, both in dynasty and redraft.

I think Orton is closer to Romo than he is to any of the other guys you've mentioned, particularly Palmer who is playing terribly. He may be only fetching QB 12-15 trade value right now, but that's because perception is lagging. Orton is emerging as a very, very good quarterback on a very pass heavy team. If I had one of those other guys, and couldn't get anything fair for Orton, I'd consider trading my starter and rolling with Orton + the quality players I can get for one of the other guys.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

The Orton Stigma - what is it?

If it were Jay Cutler performing like this, there's no doubt he would have an incredible amount of trade value. As it is, Orton still seems to be an insulting choice for either a trade candidate or #1 QB option despite the fact that:

1) Only one other QB has thrown for more yards during the first 4 games in league history (Kurt Warner I believe) than him.

2) The Broncos running game is a disaster which will force the Broncos to the air at least 40 times/game

3) Orton was pretty good last year. Not great, but low end QB1/high end QB2.

Consider this stat. Through 4 games last season, Matt Schaub had 129 pass attempts. Through 4 games this season, Orton has 118 completions...!

I have Big Ben coming back from suspension and there is no doubt I can get more for him.

 

[CaptainHook]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

How many other top 10 QB's would you say that you'd be willing to start him over with confidence on non-bye weeks from here on out? Here's my list of clearly superior top-10's who I wouldn't start him overeyton

Brady

Rodgers

Rivers

Brees

Romo

Schaub

There are more who I'd say it's at best debateable, such as for example Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, etc.

In other words, Orton's "top 10" the way that I'm "top 100". He's got value but there can't be any faith that he's got sustainability. I think his effective trade value is around QB 12-15, both in dynasty and redraft.

great example of how badly his value is underestimated

 

[Resident A]

I got Orton for Hillis & Garrard just before the Week games. The other owner had Orton behind Brees & needed RB help. I imagine Orton's value has increased a bit in the 2 weeks since.

I'd still think a RB2 plus your backup QB could get it done, but it depends on the owner's needs.

Now that I own Orton, it'd take a package including a top-10 RB or WR for me to consider.

 

[fightingillini]

In a one for one deal, a good WR2 or an OK RB2 should get the deal done. Or use Orton as a throw in to get a significant upgrade at RB or WR. But I would only do this if I have another top QB as an option.

I think he's a top 10 QB going forward. Only Brees, P Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, Romo, and Brady are ahead of him IMO. So that makes him QB8.

The real question is for teams that have Orton as a backup to one of the studs listed above. Do you trust Orton the rest of the way? I think so, so I may trade my stud QB, since you probably can get better return. Considering that Orton probably won't get you true value in a trade due to perception.

 

[whitem0nkey]

In a one for one deal, a good WR2 or an OK RB2 should get the deal done. Or use Orton as a throw in to get a significant upgrade at RB or WR. But I would only do this if I have another top QB as an option.I think he's a top 10 QB going forward. Only Brees, P Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, Romo, and Brady are ahead of him IMO. So that makes him QB8. The real question is for teams that have Orton as a backup to one of the studs listed above. Do you trust Orton the rest of the way? I think so, so I may trade my stud QB, since you probably can get better return. Considering that Orton probably won't get you true value in a trade due to perception.

Im shopping both Rivers and Orton.being able to trade your #1 or Orton should give more flexibility to get it done.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I couldnt get value for ORton so I moved Schaub for H.Nicks, needed a WR.

 

[jerseys finest]

I have Rodgers and Orton in one of my keeper-leagues and tried to trade Orton to a guy with Eli Manning as his starter. I asked for Fitz, since I am very poor at WR, he has Nicks and Austin. My thinking was, that Fitz is currently not even in the Top 20 of WR,while Orton is the #3 QB in our league settings.He rejected and said it was an insult to ask for it...

Orton for Fitz just happened in my league before this last set of games. Straight up deal. fwiw

 

[Bobcat10]

Last week I offered Orton and a lower end WR (like Naanee, can't remember) for Collie and Matt Moore (his 3rd string, he has Carson and Vince). He said it was a mighty tempting and fair offer, but he passed on the deal.

I own Brady in this league and it's gonna be alot easier to trade him...but not a cinch. Teams still believe in their QBs they drafted for the most part.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

i think youre overestimating his value a little bit. i would imagine its more like WR2/low end RB2 given that hes never going to play other than the bye week for a lot of his teams.

Orton's a top 10 QB right now, easily.

How many other top 10 QB's would you say that you'd be willing to start him over with confidence on non-bye weeks from here on out? Here's my list of clearly superior top-10's who I wouldn't start him overeyton

Brady

Rodgers

Rivers

Brees

Romo

Schaub

There are more who I'd say it's at best debateable, such as for example Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, etc.

In other words, Orton's "top 10" the way that I'm "top 100". He's got value but there can't be any faith that he's got sustainability. I think his effective trade value is around QB 12-15, both in dynasty and redraft.

great example of how badly his value is underestimated

And that's fine. I'm not addressing whether or not he'll out perform anyone - it's more a matter of refuting that his value at present is "top 10". His actual ranking, whether now or year-end, is not necessarily the same as his market value, hence the "buy low" or "sell high" threads you see around here.Kudos to you if you acquire him for QB15 and are able to get QB7 value out of that.

 

[rd78]

I traded Cutler (disgusted after the last couple of weeks), Forte, and M. Williams (TB) for Orton and M. Wallace. I might've given up a little more than I liked, but I hate having guys like Cutler/Forte who are very inconsistent in scoring.

 

[Nate]

Like others have said, hold Orton and trade your other QB.

Orton's got plenty of receiving options, is spreading the ball around, and has no running game to speak of. Unless you think that's going to change, I think he can stay in the top 10. But you'll never get top 10 value for him.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

I own Orton and Romo. I'm tempted to trade Orton, but look at the guy's remaining schedule, including playoffs, it's pretty sick. It pains me as I'm a huge Cowboys fan, but I think I may have to move Romo if I want an upgrade elsewhere, as I can see Orton putting up top 5 numbers the rest of the way.

5 Oct 10 DEN @ BAL

6 Oct 17 NYJ @ DEN

7 Oct 24 OAK @ DEN

8 Oct 31 DEN @ SF Wembley Stadium 1:00 PM

9 Bye

10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN

11 Nov 22 DEN @ SD

12 Nov 28 STL @ DEN

13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC

14 Dec 12 DEN @ ARI

15 Dec 19 DEN @ OAK

16 Dec 26 HOU @ DEN

17 Jan 02 SD @ DEN

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I own Orton and Romo. I'm tempted to trade Orton, but look at the guy's remaining schedule, including playoffs, it's pretty sick. It pains me as I'm a huge Cowboys fan, but I think I may have to move Romo if I want an upgrade elsewhere, as I can see Orton putting up top 5 numbers the rest of the way.5 Oct 10 DEN @ BAL 6 Oct 17 NYJ @ DEN 7 Oct 24 OAK @ DEN 8 Oct 31 DEN @ SF Wembley Stadium 1:00 PM 9 Bye 10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN 11 Nov 22 DEN @ SD 12 Nov 28 STL @ DEN 13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC 14 Dec 12 DEN @ ARI 15 Dec 19 DEN @ OAK 16 Dec 26 HOU @ DEN 17 Jan 02 SD @ DEN

after these 2 weeks it looks like smooth sailin for Orton. Please stay healthy

 

[bulger2holt]

I have Orton and Big Ben. I will be shopping Ben after he has a couple good games. Ortin is this years Schaub. Steady every week and throws a ton. FF gold. My Rb's are Foster, LT and Wells, so I am hoping to get a decent RB2 for Ben.

 

[mdlane]

I have Orton and Big Ben. I will be shopping Ben after he has a couple good games. Ortin is this years Schaub. Steady every week and throws a ton. FF gold. My Rb's are Foster, LT and Wells, so I am hoping to get a decent RB2 for Ben.

This is somewhat off-topic, but the posts in this thread make me think about QB vs. RB relative positional value at the time of the Draft, vs. during the Season.Here we have someone comparing Ben to RB2 value. Well, at draft time, the last of the top 7 QBs went in the mid 4th round (ADP, 12 teams). The 8th QB went in the 6th round. Whereas the 16th RB went in the 3rd round, and the last of the RB2s went early 5th.Would anyone have considered spending a 3rd round pick on Big Ben? Some people are talking about trading Orton for nothing less than an RB1. Would anyone spend a 1st-early 2nd round draft pick on Orton?What I'm getting at is that there seems to be a valuation adjustment re: QB/RB/WR positional value that takes place during the season which is not accounted for in the Draft. Even top 5 QBs went around the same time as RB2s, or lower. The process is screwy somewhere - either at draft evaluation of QB importance, or mid-season reactions.

 

[redskins08]

I have Orton and Big Ben. I will be shopping Ben after he has a couple good games. Ortin is this years Schaub. Steady every week and throws a ton. FF gold. My Rb's are Foster, LT and Wells, so I am hoping to get a decent RB2 for Ben.

This is somewhat off-topic, but the posts in this thread make me think about QB vs. RB relative positional value at the time of the Draft, vs. during the Season.Here we have someone comparing Ben to RB2 value. Well, at draft time, the last of the top 7 QBs went in the mid 4th round (ADP, 12 teams). The 8th QB went in the 6th round. Whereas the 16th RB went in the 3rd round, and the last of the RB2s went early 5th.Would anyone have considered spending a 3rd round pick on Big Ben? Some people are talking about trading Orton for nothing less than an RB1. Would anyone spend a 1st-early 2nd round draft pick on Orton?What I'm getting at is that there seems to be a valuation adjustment re: QB/RB/WR positional value that takes place during the season which is not accounted for in the Draft. Even top 5 QBs went around the same time as RB2s, or lower. The process is screwy somewhere - either at draft evaluation of QB importance, or mid-season reactions.

QBs score a lot of points and do so rather consistently. This is undervalued during drafts - though with open eyes. We purposely discount this b/c we rather get the stud RB or stud WR. QBs are also more interchangable, so that is likely why.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

I traded him for Ryan Mathews last week. Sorta regretting that trade now.

 

[jmo87usc]

I traded Orton for Thomas Jones and a 2nd rounder in my dynasty league. He threw in Jason Campbell as well. I have Romo as my starter and Carson Palmer as a backup and needed some RB depth with CJ and MJD having the same bye week...ouch.

 

[Hugonel]

I have Rivers and Orton. RBs are Peterson, McCoy, Bradshaw and Caddy.

I offered Orton and Caddy for Jacobs and Cutler. I'll let you know if it goes down.

 

[The_Wolfman]

Here is the problem; right now Orton is on pace for 700 passing attempts. To put that in perspective, the all-time NFL record for passing attempts is 691, held by Drew Bledsoe. Is Orton going to pass more than any other QB in NFL history? Maybe, but more likely those numbers will start to come back down to Earth a bit.

Add in the fact that Orton just doesn't have the track record. Last year in my league he was the QB14 and finished behind JASON CAMPBELL in fantasy points. Put those two together and perception of Orton just isn't going to change until he proves he can sustain this kind of production for a full year.

 

[CaptainHook]

you actually think its a knock on him that he finished qb14 last year? in a brand new complicated offense on a team with a pretty strong defense?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I have Rivers and Orton. RBs are Peterson, McCoy, Bradshaw and Caddy.I offered Orton and Caddy for Jacobs and Cutler. I'll let you know if it goes down.

Your trade doesnt make much sense.

 

[Hugonel]

I have Rivers and Orton. RBs are Peterson, McCoy, Bradshaw and Caddy.I offered Orton and Caddy for Jacobs and Cutler. I'll let you know if it goes down.

Your trade doesnt make much sense.

Why not? Having Bradshaw's backup would be much better than Cadillac, and Orton will never see the starting lineup with Rivers there. I'm trading two bench players for Jacobs (essentially), which is helpful especially in light of Bradford's ankle and McCoy's ribs. Or are you saying I'm not giving up enough?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I have Rivers and Orton. RBs are Peterson, McCoy, Bradshaw and Caddy.I offered Orton and Caddy for Jacobs and Cutler. I'll let you know if it goes down.

Your trade doesnt make much sense.

Why not? Having Bradford's backup would be much better than Cadillac, and Orton will never see the starting lineup with Rivers there. I'm trading two bench players for Jacobs (essentially), which is helpful especially in light of Bradford's ankle and McCoy's ribs. Or are you saying I'm not giving up enough?

does Bradford = Bradshaw?

 

[LOCO]

moved orton/calvin johnson for MJD. had brees as my qb1 and orton was expendable.

 

[Hugonel]

I have Rivers and Orton. RBs are Peterson, McCoy, Bradshaw and Caddy.I offered Orton and Caddy for Jacobs and Cutler. I'll let you know if it goes down.

Your trade doesnt make much sense.

Why not? Having Bradford's backup would be much better than Cadillac, and Orton will never see the starting lineup with Rivers there. I'm trading two bench players for Jacobs (essentially), which is helpful especially in light of Bradford's ankle and McCoy's ribs. Or are you saying I'm not giving up enough?

does Bradford = Bradshaw?

Typo. Right, Bradshaw, as initially indicated. Sorry about that. Fixed.

 

[RBM]

Just started poking around the Orton owner in my league. Sounding like he wants Finley from me.

Im torn on this one....I love Finley but I could really use qb help.