Orton vs Tebow vs Quinn (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I guess this thread is a way to monitor what is a very weird QB situation as the off season suggested and as the season progresses.

What we have is a huge story unfolding weekly and it is taking on a life of its own. It is a real life soap opera.

Denver hires a young coach in Mcdaniels who has a plan. In short his plan fails as Cutler/Marshall get run out of town and in return they get some pieces and Orton as there starter. One of those pieces he drafts is Tebow one of the most prolific college QB players of this generation. Mean while they have another first round QB in Quinn on their roster as well.

Mcdick who knows how to run on offense has Orton and the offense clipping along at a great pace last year, but the team was crumbling beneath them. Mcdick gets fired and as the team continues to lose and Orton carries a knock late in the season Tebow enters and plays the last 3 games. He looks like he can play at the NFL level and many believe he will start the following year.

Enter Elway who hires John Fox as the coach. The off season has Orton on the trade block with Tebow supposedly to step in and get his chance. As the offers dont match what Denver wants and with Orton out playing Tebow and Quinn at training camp the team sticks with Orton as their starter.

Week 1 may have been the worst possible start for this whole debacle. With the crowd electric at home Orton falls on his face having a costly fumble and showing his below average pocket presence. Now the offensive line did little to help out the statue that Orton is, but it was just another twist to this saga.

Enter week 2 and here is what we are getting already.....

(KFFL) Denver Broncos players are becoming frustrated with the debate as to whether QB Tim Tebow should start over QB Kyle Orton. "I think it's all B.S.," WR Brandon Lloyd said. "I think everybody is just waiting for an opportunity to move (Orton) out and play anybody other than him." LB Jason Hunter added, "It's just the beginning of the season. Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship."

Denver appears to be a mess. If they lose to Cincy this week and Orton plays another large part of that loss, it is going to get even uglier.

This appears to be a situation that will be from an outsider interesting to watch as the story lines and soap opera unfolds weekly.

It appears as though Denver missed their chance to move on and get any value they could have out of Orton while seeing what they had/have in their young QB Tebow.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Bad move by Elway not getting something for Orton and rolling with Tebow this year. You just have to look at the games he played in last year - he basically won that Houston game on his own.

He's a game changer bottom line and unlike Orton will keep the offence moving.

I think we will see Timmy this year one way or the either.

 

[cobalt_27]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here).

My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here). My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

Yes this is also an issue. The fans are chanting and wanting Tebow, but he may not even be second in line.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Bad move by Elway not getting something for Orton and rolling with Tebow this year. You just have to look at the games he played in last year - he basically won that Houston game on his own.He's a game changer bottom line and unlike Orton will keep the offence moving.I think we will see Timmy this year one way or the either.

Actually, they would have been better off getting rid of Tebow. He couldn't even beat out Brady freakin Quinn for the #2 spot, let alone start on a regular basis in the NFL.

 

[Wadsworth]

Tebow is a walking QB controversy and it makes no difference if he deserves a shot or not. It's a shame for Tim, because those "fans" of his actually limits his value to a team because that drama isn't welcome in most NFL situations. It becomes difficult to develop him over 2-3 seasons when fans won't stop chanting his name.

 

[Hue G]

It's ridiculous to think Orton's performance would lose him the starting job, I actually think he did pretty decent considering he got horrible protection and no help from a running game.

Hopefully Denver fans get what they want at some point this year and see a guy start that performed at a level in training camp that would have earned him a nice spot on the practice squad on most teams if he wasn't a first round pick with a big name and big college career behind him.

 

[Hue G]

Bad move by Elway not getting something for Orton and rolling with Tebow this year. You just have to look at the games he played in last year - he basically won that Houston game on his own.He's a game changer bottom line and unlike Orton will keep the offence moving.I think we will see Timmy this year one way or the either.

Actually, they would have been better off getting rid of Tebow. He couldn't even beat out Brady freakin Quinn for the #2 spot, let alone start on a regular basis in the NFL.

I've heard even Adam Weber outperformed him in camp

 

[Joe Summer]

Nothing to monitor this week or next week. Orton's job will be secure for a while.

However, I do think that the whole "Quinn is #2" story is a smokescreen. Once Orton flames out (or the Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs), they will give the ball to Tebow.

 

[gotexansgo]

Bad move by Elway not getting something for Orton and rolling with Tebow this year. You just have to look at the games he played in last year - he basically won that Houston game on his own.He's a game changer bottom line and unlike Orton will keep the offence moving.I think we will see Timmy this year one way or the either.

Actually, they would have been better off getting rid of Tebow. He couldn't even beat out Brady freakin Quinn for the #2 spot, let alone start on a regular basis in the NFL.

I've heard even Adam Weber outperformed him in camp

and Tebow outperformed both in actual preseason games....but apparently how one plays on the practice field matters more for some reason

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It's ridiculous to think Orton's performance would lose him the starting job, I actually think he did pretty decent considering he got horrible protection and no help from a running game.Hopefully Denver fans get what they want at some point this year and see a guy start that performed at a level in training camp that would have earned him a nice spot on the practice squad on most teams if he wasn't a first round pick with a big name and big college career behind him.

The offensive line played poorly this is correct, but Orton is so bad in the pocket and his lack of athleticism is a huge issue with who he is as a QB. This is a huge problem for Orton and the Denver Broncos as they go forward. He is not good enough to win this team games or carry on offense when there is deficiencies else where. I have mentioned this before but he is a poor mans David Garrard. Garrard was at least athetlic enough to move around and was more accurate than Orton. The problem with guys like Orton and Garrard is eventually your own team, fan base, and management will let you go for someone who they feel gives the team a better chance than you to win. There are a number of QB's that can have bad stretches of play and not face this issue but Orton is not one of them.I think the level of Tebow's training camp performance is drastically overrated considering his action in preseason games was not bad. In saying that the back up QB is always a popular position when the team is losing and the main QB Orton is just a guy.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

and Tebow outperformed both in actual preseason games....but apparently how one plays on the practice field matters more for some reason

Bingo - apparently Fox only cares about practice. We saw this a few years ago when Delhomme was absolutely horrible but kept starting every week cause Fox was loyal.

 

[Joe Summer]

and Tebow outperformed both in actual preseason games....but apparently how one plays on the practice field matters more for some reason

Bingo - apparently Fox only cares about practice. We saw this a few years ago when Delhomme was absolutely horrible but kept starting every week cause Fox was loyal.

Fox was loyal to Delhomme because they'd worked together for the previous 6 seasons and Delhomme had just gone 12-4 the year before. Those same conditions don't exist with Orton.

 

[wikkidpissah]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here). My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

Yes this is also an issue. The fans are chanting and wanting Tebow, but he may not even be second in line.

Quinn is not a factor - still Chris Simms-bad. The reason they pimped him in camp (and will probably use him in game situations if Orton is hurt) is to keep the Broncos fans from clamouring for Tebow every time they fall behind. Elway truly does not like Tebow nor think he's an answer at QB and would love a graceful way out of this. Something like a 2-6 start would force his hand, though, cuz the Bronco faithful had the first fun theyve had in yrs when JesusJr ran the team late last fall.

 

[Hue G]

It's ridiculous to think Orton's performance would lose him the starting job, I actually think he did pretty decent considering he got horrible protection and no help from a running game.Hopefully Denver fans get what they want at some point this year and see a guy start that performed at a level in training camp that would have earned him a nice spot on the practice squad on most teams if he wasn't a first round pick with a big name and big college career behind him.

The offensive line played poorly this is correct, but Orton is so bad in the pocket and his lack of athleticism is a huge issue with who he is as a QB. This is a huge problem for Orton and the Denver Broncos as they go forward. He is not good enough to win this team games or carry on offense when there is deficiencies else where. I have mentioned this before but he is a poor mans David Garrard. Garrard was at least athetlic enough to move around and was more accurate than Orton. The problem with guys like Orton and Garrard is eventually your own team, fan base, and management will let you go for someone who they feel gives the team a better chance than you to win. There are a number of QB's that can have bad stretches of play and not face this issue but Orton is not one of them.I think the level of Tebow's training camp performance is drastically overrated considering his action in preseason games was not bad. In saying that the back up QB is always a popular position when the team is losing and the main QB Orton is just a guy.

No one's accusing Orton of being Aaron Rodgers but there are not many QBs in the entire league that are good enough to win games for this team and Tebow is most certainly not one of them.

 

[Hue G]

and Tebow outperformed both in actual preseason games....but apparently how one plays on the practice field matters more for some reason

He didn't outperform Orton though and he was playing against 2nd and 3rd defenses

 

[Two Deep]

I'd like to see Tebow get in there so we could hear their fans chant. We Want Orton....We Want Orton...

 

[thriftyrocker]

No one's accusing Orton of being Aaron Rodgers but there are not many QBs in the entire league that are good enough to win games for this team and Tebow is most certainly not one of them.

Define "win games." Are we talking a playoff team or are we talking about beating Oakland at home?

 

[Restricted]

I'd like to see Tebow get in there so we could hear their fans chant. We Want Orton....We Want Orton...

Hater.If Dalton struggles within the first few weeks should the Bengal fans start chanting Gradkowski?Newton has back to back bad games and they want Anderson?The worst part about it is that Tebow started a few games last year and was productive, ff wise and football wise. Didn't hear any "We wants" then. Most people know about this saga and are ready for a change. I think he'd have a season worth of leash if he were ever let out in the yard to play.

 

[AmosMoses]

I'd love to see Denver start losing. If the crowd is hostile now when Orton is starting, it's gonna be a madhouse when Fox plugs in Quinn! Who doesn't want to see that?

 

[Two Deep]

I'd like to see Tebow get in there so we could hear their fans chant. We Want Orton....We Want Orton...

Hater.If Dalton struggles within the first few weeks should the Bengal fans start chanting Gradkowski?Newton has back to back bad games and they want Anderson?The worst part about it is that Tebow started a few games last year and was productive, ff wise and football wise. Didn't hear any "We wants" then. Most people know about this saga and are ready for a change. I think he'd have a season worth of leash if he were ever let out in the yard to play.

I guess Orton didn,t do a good enough job blocking for himself or tackling the Oakland running backs who ran for 200 yards.

 

[az_prof]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here). My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

This is clear as mud. Tebow outplayed Quinn in the last preseason game. No QB2 has been announced.

 

[Joe Summer]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here).

My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

This is clear as mud. Tebow outplayed Quinn in the last preseason game. No QB2 has been announced.

NFL.com lists Quinn as the #2, but the official Broncos website lists the #2 QB as "Brady Quinn or Tim Tebow".

 

[fightingillini]

Quinn is definitely not the answer. If DEN is out of the playoff picture (should only take about 7-8 games for that to happen), then I would think DEN would just give the ball to Tebow and see what they truly have for half of a season....then address the situation in the offseason. Eight games should be enough time to get an accurate assessment of Tebow's abilities.

 

[az_prof]

I doubt John Fox considers Tebow ready anytime soon. And, his opinion is the only one that matters (well, that, and Elway, who hasn't exactly been a Tebow cheerleader here).

My understanding was that Quinn had a decent preseason in camp and almost certainly is next in line should the Broncos start losing consecutive games.

This is clear as mud. Tebow outplayed Quinn in the last preseason game. No QB2 has been announced.

NFL.com lists Quinn as the #2, but the official Broncos website lists the #2 QB as "Brady Quinn or Tim Tebow".

Exactly. Clear as mud. I think Fox likes Quinn better because he doesn't like Tebow's style of play, but he is afraid to say it in an official way, especially since Tebow outplayed him in the last preseason game where they were given equal chance to succeed.

 

[moleculo]

I think its as simple as tebow doesnt look all that great in scripted plays; where Orton thrives. Reality is that things rarely work exactly as planned, especially if you are having protection issues. If everything is perfect, Orton > Tebow. If improvisation is required, Tebow > Orton.

It's really tough to watch two guys practice and pick the one who doesnt perform as well.

Thats my read on the situation, anyhow. Its my belief thay all of the ripping on Tebow in the preseason was the front office trying to spin the Orton annointment positively and an attempt to get the Tebowites to simmer down. I think it got out of control when Merril Hodge took it too far.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This week will once again get interesting for those in Tebow's corner.