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Osama Bin Laden DEAD (MERGED THREAD) (1 Viewer)

Fantastic news. Thanks to President Bush for beginning the hunt. Thanks to President Obama for sticking with it and finishing the hunt. And of course all those involved in gathering the intel and carrying this out get the greatest amount of kudos possible! :thumbup:

Sadly we will never know who these people were. I'd be surprised if their own families will ever know how heroic they were.

 
Fantastic news. Thanks to President Bush for beginning the hunt. Thanks to President Obama for sticking with it and finishing the hunt. And of course all those involved in gathering the intel and carrying this out get the greatest amount of kudos possible! :thumbup:

Sadly we will never know who these people were. I'd be surprised if their own families will ever know how heroic they were.
:goodposting: I'm not much for political threads most of the time, but wanted to remember some old friends...

Engine Company 118 and Ladder Company 205

Under the Bridge, Middagh Street

Lt. Joseph Agnello

Firefighter Vernon Cherry

Firefighter Scott Davidson

Firefighter Leon Smith Jr.

Firefighter Peter Vega

Lt. Robert Wallace

Lt. Robert Regan

Captain Martin Egan

These eight guys from my old neighborhood paid the ultimate price. Last night they got a measure of justice.

 
Rashard Mendenhall revealing his genius again.

Rashard Mendenhall raises eyebrows with bin Laden tweetsPosted by Mike Florio on May 2, 2011, 9:34 PM EDTSeveral of you have pointed out to us some potentially controversial messages appearing today on the Twitter account of Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall.Though it’s not a verified account, it’s being followed by other Steelers, including safety Troy Polamalu, center Maurkice Pouncey. Also, Mendenhall’s account attracted attention in March, when he supported Vikings running back Adrian Peterson’s comparison of pro football to slavery.This time around, Mendenhall is offering opinions regarding the death of Osama bin Laden, and questioning whether the planes that hit the World Trade Center caused the collapse of the twin towers.“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side.”But what would the other side have been? Bin Laden admits to masterminding and funding the plot; he has bragged about it. He’s not entitled to the presumption of innocence after admitting guilt.We fully believe in free speech. Mendenhall has the right to say whatever he wants. But others also have the right to react to what he says. And given that he plays for a team headquartered near the location of the crash of United 93 and that the Steelers will be playing on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in Baltimore, not all that far from where another plane crashed into the Pentagon, we’ve got a feeling that more than a few folks will be exercising their free speech rights when Mendenhall comes out onto the field.UPDATE: Actually, it is a verified account. Well, there goes any chance he had of coming up with an excuse. Unless he plans to claim someone hacked into his account.
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
For the record no. As soon as I read the buried at sea part, that voice in my head piped up. Not for political reasons at all. That just seems weird.
Obviously information is being released with great purpose and care. I have little doubt that they tossed most of him into the ocean.
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
Nope. There's a lady in my neighborhood that isn't buying it either. She also thinks that her cat is a little alien sent here to spy on her because she holds the key to the Martian Rebellion. So you got that going for you.
 
Sorry if this has been covered. Think we'll ever get to hear from the SEAL who delivered the kill shot?

I'd love to buy him and his boys a beer or 30.
As others have said- I imagine that guy is not interested in having surviving members of Al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations know his identity.
SEAL team 6 and Delta Force doesn't even exist. :shrug:
"Seal Team 6 is a cover for Delta" is the most commonly quoted line you hear.
If they existed they would work for JSOC and they would essentially be the same thing. I remember being on the flightline in Kandahar shooting video of various operations and a huge Army major tapped me on the shoulder and said, "you see that aircraft right there? I'd appreciate it if you didn't shoot anything that came off that." So I put my camera down, and watched what came off that aircraft. It was surreal.

I have been in several special forces compounds in Afghanistan through the years, and really have no idea who was who. Been on a few missions as well, and all I knew was that the lead operational contact was a Navy SEAL Master Chief. Not sure who he worked for or who on those teams belonged to whom, but there is a fine line between CIA, Special Forces and the various units that conduct black ops.

Also there is speculation that an Air Force Pararescue Airman was part of that mission as most SEAL teams carry them on all air to sea ops. :deathfromabove:
Fascinating stuff, DD. Thanks. And :headbang: to the bolded.
 
Conversation with the wife last night...

Her: So what exactly happened?

Me: We went in and killed him.

Her: We didn't try to capture him?

Me: Nope...wanted him dead.

Her: This was in Pakistan?

Me: Yep.

Her: Don't they have rules about stuff like this?

Me: We do whatever we want.

USA! USA! USA!

 
Sorry if this has been covered. Think we'll ever get to hear from the SEAL who delivered the kill shot?

I'd love to buy him and his boys a beer or 30.
As others have said- I imagine that guy is not interested in having surviving members of Al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations know his identity.
SEAL team 6 and Delta Force doesn't even exist. :shrug:
"Seal Team 6 is a cover for Delta" is the most commonly quoted line you hear.
If they existed they would work for JSOC and they would essentially be the same thing. I remember being on the flightline in Kandahar shooting video of various operations and a huge Army major tapped me on the shoulder and said, "you see that aircraft right there? I'd appreciate it if you didn't shoot anything that came off that." So I put my camera down, and watched what came off that aircraft. It was surreal.

I have been in several special forces compounds in Afghanistan through the years, and really have no idea who was who. Been on a few missions as well, and all I knew was that the lead operational contact was a Navy SEAL Master Chief. Not sure who he worked for or who on those teams belonged to whom, but there is a fine line between CIA, Special Forces and the various units that conduct black ops.

Also there is speculation that an Air Force Pararescue Airman was part of that mission as most SEAL teams carry them on all air to sea ops. :deathfromabove:
Fascinating stuff, DD. Thanks. And :headbang: to the bolded.
I'm sure they would have had a doc with them...PJ's are bad mofos...

 
I'm sure its been said already, but I feel the need to say...Those in the Special Forces have a level of guts that I can't even begin to wrap my head around. To be dropped, in the middle of the night, into the teeth of quite possibly the most dangerous man in the world...their level of bravery is without comparison.
But this is what they dream about, isn't it? They spend their whole lives training for moments like these.
What does that have to do with what I said?
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
For the record no. As soon as I read the buried at sea part, that voice in my head piped up. Not for political reasons at all. That just seems weird.
Obviously information is being released with great purpose and care. I have little doubt that they tossed most of him into the ocean.
:goodposting:The rumor gaining steam online is that Bin Laden is being waterboarded somewhere and will get the Winston Wolfe treatment once he's given up everything. That the 'burial at sea' story was to throw the anti-terror crowd off track.
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
For the record no. As soon as I read the buried at sea part, that voice in my head piped up. Not for political reasons at all. That just seems weird.
Obviously information is being released with great purpose and care. I have little doubt that they tossed most of him into the ocean.
:goodposting:The rumor gaining steam online is that Bin Laden is being waterboarded somewhere and will get the Winston Wolfe treatment once he's given up everything. That the 'burial at sea' story was to throw the anti-terror crowd off track.
What's the "Winston Wolfe treatment"? I've seen Pulp Fiction, but I'm failing to put my finger on this one.
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
For the record no. As soon as I read the buried at sea part, that voice in my head piped up. Not for political reasons at all. That just seems weird.
Obviously information is being released with great purpose and care. I have little doubt that they tossed most of him into the ocean.
:goodposting:The rumor gaining steam online is that Bin Laden is being waterboarded somewhere and will get the Winston Wolfe treatment once he's given up everything. That the 'burial at sea' story was to throw the anti-terror crowd off track.
What's the "Winston Wolfe treatment"? I've seen Pulp Fiction, but I'm failing to put my finger on this one.
gimp
 
'grateful zed said:
am i the only one not buying this?
For the record no. As soon as I read the buried at sea part, that voice in my head piped up. Not for political reasons at all. That just seems weird.
Obviously information is being released with great purpose and care. I have little doubt that they tossed most of him into the ocean.
:goodposting:The rumor gaining steam online is that Bin Laden is being waterboarded somewhere and will get the Winston Wolfe treatment once he's given up everything. That the 'burial at sea' story was to throw the anti-terror crowd off track.
What's the "Winston Wolfe treatment"? I've seen Pulp Fiction, but I'm failing to put my finger on this one.
Winston was in charge of getting rid of the body and making sure the crime scene was clean (and that the people who committed the crime got away).
 
Not news to DD, but the rest of the house might find this interesting: President Obama Watched Live Video Of Bin Laden Raid As It Happened

EDIT: wanted to note that the linked report is obviously speculative.
Not speculative any more -- John Brennan confirmed on CNN and MSNBC this morning that it WAS a live feed that the Situation Room was watching in the now-famous photo. Brennan is shown at the upper right of the photo.For some reason, I thought that kind of info would be more hush-hush.

 
Not news to DD, but the rest of the house might find this interesting: President Obama Watched Live Video Of Bin Laden Raid As It Happened

EDIT: wanted to note that the linked report is obviously speculative.
Not speculative any more -- John Brennan confirmed on CNN and MSNBC this morning that it WAS a live feed that the Situation Room was watching in the now-famous photo. Brennan is shown at the upper right of the photo.For some reason, I thought that kind of info would be more hush-hush.
Common knowledge we can broadcast those kinds of videos. Remember they did the same with the rescue of the female airman years ago.
 
'mozzy84 said:
'urbanhack said:
WOW

Great pic of everyone watching. :thumbup:
nice :thumbup:
Nice :thumbup:
:goodposting: The look on HRC's face...
She just realized that so many men were standing right behind her without any coffee. It's forgivable given the circumstances and so long as it doesn't become a habit.
It kind of looks like Obama's head has been shopped ona little like this?

 
Hate to bury a good article in a long thread like this ... but Yahoo News has the story about how a single phone call ended up being a huge mistake that gave an opportunistic peek into Bin Laden's courier network:

WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist ...

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida.

Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

"Hassan Ghul was the linchpin," a U.S. official said.

Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida ...

It took years of work before the CIA identified the courier's real name: Sheikh Abu Ahmed, a Pakistani man born in Kuwait. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold.

Ahmed was identified by detainees as a mid-level operative who helped al-Qaida members and their families find safe havens. But his whereabouts were such a mystery to U.S. intelligence that, according to Guantanamo Bay documents, one detainee said Ahmed was wounded while fleeing U.S. forces during the invasion of Afghanistan and later died in the arms of the detainee.

But in the middle of last year, Ahmed had a telephone conversation with someone being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. Ahmed was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch Ahmed.

In August 2010, Ahmed unknowingly led authorities to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.
Of interest for those following the waterboarding debate (from the same link):
Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
 
Report: Pakistan gave China access to 'stealth' chopper in bin Laden raid

Chinese military allowed to take photographs, samples of aircraft's 'skin', despite CIA objections, Financial Times reports

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

The revelation, if confirmed, is likely to further shake the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, which has been improving slightly after hitting its lowest point in decades following the May 2 bin Laden raid.

During the raid, one of two modified Blackhawk helicopters, believed to employ unknown stealth capability, malfunctioned and crashed, forcing the commandos to abandon it.

"The US now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI, gave access to the Chinese military to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad," the paper quoted a person "in intelligence circles" as saying.

Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed chopper as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar, the newspaper reported.

No one from the Pakistani army was available for comment, but the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Pakistan's top spy agency, denied the report. The paper said Pakistan's top general, chief of army staff Ashfaq Kayani, denied that China had been given access.

Story: US forces kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan

The surviving tail section, photos of which were widely distributed on the Internet, was returned to the United States following a trip by U.S. Senator John Kerry in May, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy told Reuters.

Shortly after the raid, Pakistan hinted that it might give China access to the downed chopper, given its fury over the raid, which it considers a grievous violation of its sovereignty.

"We had explicitly asked the Pakistanis in the immediate aftermath of the raid not to let anyone have access to the damaged remains of the helicopter," the Financial Times quoted the source as saying.

In an incident such as the helicopter crash, it is standard American procedure to destroy sophisticated technology such as encrypted communications and navigation computers.

Frustrations and displeasure

Pakistan is a strategic ally to the United States but the relationship has been on a downward spiral since the killing of the al-Qaida leader in the raid by U.S. forces.

Islamabad was not informed in advance and responded by cutting back on U.S. trainers in the country and placing limits on CIA activities there.

The fact that the al-Qaida chief lived for years near the Pakistani army's main academy in the northwestern garrison town of Abbottabad reinforced suspicions in Washington about Islamabad's reliability in the war against militant Islamists.

There are also growing frustrations with Pakistan over its reluctance to mount offensives against militant factions in the northwest who are fighting U.S.-led foreign forces across the border in Afghanistan.

In a show of displeasure over Pakistan's cutback in U.S. trainers, its limits on visas for U.S. personnel and other bilateral irritants, the United States recently suspended about a third of its $2.7 billion annual defense aid to Pakistan.

Despite this, both sides have tried to prevent a breakdown of relations.

The head of Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Lieutenant-General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, visited the United States last month for talks with U.S. government and intelligence officials, which both sides said went well.

Despite the billions in aid, Pakistan still considers China a more reliable ally than the United States. China is a major investor in predominantly Muslim Pakistan in areas such as telecommunications, ports and infrastructure. The countries are linked by a Chinese-built road pushed through Pakistan's northern mountains.

Trade with Pakistan is worth almost $9 billion a year for Pakistan, and China is its top arms supplier.

In the wake of attacks that left 11 people dead in the China's western region of Xinjiang in late July, Pakistan quickly dispatched Lieutenant-General Pasha to Beijing. (Writing and additional reporting by Chris Allbritton; Editing by Rosalind Russell)

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As soon as I saw the pictures of the downed stealth helicopter I thought the Chinese were already there thoroughly going over the wreckage. We taught the Pak's well as we compensated them greatly for any Russian tech recovered in Afghanistan, especially the Hinds. Make no mistake, battle lines are being drawn here between the US and China and the Pak's are siding with the wrong team. It won't be long before we are no longer welcome in Pakistan, supplanted by the bigger threat to our national security IMO than al-Queada.

 
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html

President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.

“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

 
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.htmlPresident Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
Ridiculous. Al Jazeera would have reported it and rendered the information moot anyway. The Obama did it was a huge boost for the country.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.htmlPresident Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
The crashed helicopter necessitated announcing the operation. I'm not sure why they chose to release what they took from the compound however.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.htmlPresident Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
Strange that you focused in on this one section, which was a smaller part of the whole article.
 
'Al Czervik said:
'rascal said:
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.htmlPresident Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
Strange that you focused in on this one section, which was a smaller part of the whole article.
Is there something else about the article you wish to discuss?
 

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