Otis diet fad of the month thread - Potato mania!!1 (1 Viewer)

[Homer J Simpson]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

That was me. Used the "rice" in a burrito, but haven't tried it yet as a stir fry or in any Oriental dishes.

The mashed substitute is glorious. I use butter, cream cheese, and cheddar and whip the hell out of it in the food processor. Good stuff.

 

[hagmania]

Coffee tip: order it with heavy whipping cream instead of milk

Had a frappuccino from Starbucks the other day with coffee, sugar free syrup, heavy whipping cream substitute. Was quite delicious.

 

[Otis]

I read online that wine doesn't have carbs in it. Is that right? Supposedly the downside with any alcohol, even scotch, is that your body turns to the alcohol to burn before continuing to burn fat. Still though, if my body burns a drink an hour, I'm fine with a couple hour pause on the ketosis magic. But supposedly scotch won't screw up the ketosis state (seems right to me, as I've had a scotch each night this week and still am there). I wonder if red wine is similarly safe. Anyone know? If not safe, I don't want to ef up my progress, so I guess I'll stick with scotch again.

..

The real big question for me -- what are easy, safe snacks? I've got beef jerky. I know about pork rinds. Soy crisps I'm told are Ok. Anything else? I suppose a handful of almonds is relatively low carb.

Dry wine has less sugar (3-4g carbs)...sweet wines have more sugar (7-8g carbs) (Captain, obvious here, I know).

Snacks I liked:

Celery w/ PB2 spread

Celery dipped in hot sauce

Cucumber chips w/ vinegar/salt

Jerky (limited...check label. Some has a ton).

sunflower seeds

Sugar free jello

Cheese sticks

Lettuce roll ups with buffalo shredded chicken (crock pot chicken breast + butter + Franks)

Lunch meat Roll-up dipped in mustard (mustard is your savior for providing flavor without carbs).

Dill Pickles

Nice Thanks.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

My corollary to cauliflower "rice" is that I think it's a lot better roasted than sauteed. It turns nuttier, tasting more like rice. I still prefer the puree because grating is messy as hell.

For stir fry's I'd just use shiritaki noodles (be sure to blanche and rinse them properly).

 

[hagmania]

One last thing for the moment.

http://cavemanketo.com/faux-bread-quest-holy-grail-almond-buns/

It's like cornbread, and it helped me through the first month or so. Rarely make it anymore.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Oats, wine has carbs. Use teh googles to get specifics.

And as far as your FIL's visit, just pick up some Miller Lite or Mich Ultra for yourself. Not sure of your level of beer snobbery though, so that might be bad advice.

 

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For breakfast, These things are awesome.

Make a bunch on sunday. Eat them all week. pretty easy to make. I'd just throw 3 into a ziploc with a few shakes of hot sauce. Eat them on the way into work.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

My corollary to cauliflower "rice" is that I think it's a lot better roasted than sauteed. It turns nuttier, tasting more like rice. I still prefer the puree because grating is messy as hell.

For stir fry's I'd just use shiritaki noodles (be sure to blanche and rinse them properly).

Thx, I'll try that. How long in the oven?

 

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Oats, wine has carbs. Use teh googles to get specifics.

And as far as your FIL's visit, just pick up some Miller Lite or Mich Ultra for yourself. Not sure of your level of beer snobbery though, so that might be bad advice.

For beer:

Amstel Light, Miller Light or Mich Ultra will do your right at ~3.2-3.5g carbs per 12oz.

 

[General Malaise]

We are ordering Vietnamese food today for lunch. Boss is going to pick it up in an hour. What's the best option on this menu for a guy who is trying to limit carbs?

I'm thinking the best option is to pass altogether, but out of curiosity, what would one order here if one were on a low-carb diet?

I'd get any of the grilled rice/noodle bowls without the rice or noodles and then order a side of the broth of your choice ($2 cup).

See if they'll just a throw a bunch of veggies in your bowl (and give your spring roll to a co-worker).

Thanks GB. I went ahead and went with the cabbage chicken salad with the dressing on the side. Hoping the grilled chicken isn't loaded with sugars, but I'll take my chances and exercise later today.

 

[General Malaise]

Coffee tip: order it with heavy whipping cream instead of milk

Had a frappuccino from Starbucks the other day with coffee, sugar free syrup, heavy whipping cream substitute. Was quite delicious.

I haven't had cream or sugar in my coffee in over a decade.

 

[General Malaise]

I ate the last of my beef kielbasa that I grilled on Monday. I forgot I had that in the office, so I took it down like Marylin Chambers and am now quite certain I've fingered the culprit for explosive diaherreaha earlier in the week. :X

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

My corollary to cauliflower "rice" is that I think it's a lot better roasted than sauteed. It turns nuttier, tasting more like rice. I still prefer the puree because grating is messy as hell.

For stir fry's I'd just use shiritaki noodles (be sure to blanche and rinse them properly).

Thx, I'll try that. How long in the oven?

20 to 25 minutes or so. Just use your nose. It will smell nice and roasty/nutty.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is paleo like an even nerdier version of atkins?

Paleo is like Atkins except it's not low-carb, and it avoids all processed foods. They have in common that they generally avoid grains.

So is that the shtick, that you basically only eat meats or things you can pick off a tree, like early man?

Pretty much. The idea is that novel foods introduced to the human diet within the last 10,000 years or so (e.g., wheat, dairy) may be good for some people and problematic for other people, but any food that had been a regular part of the human diet for the few hundred thousand or so years before that should be non-problematic for just about everybody. So to play it safe, stick to those.

There are plenty of problems with putting the theory into practice. There's really no such thing, for example, as a generic pre-agrarian human diet. Different humans ate different diets at different times and places, and they generally ate foods that aren't available to modern Americans. But even if pigs and chickens and strawberries and spinach and sweet potatoes didn't exist during the paleolithic, they are closer to what existed than Ding Dongs or Cheetos or Pop Tarts or anything else that has to be capitalized because it's a brand name.

The paleo diet is one of many examples of a more general principle that if you want to eat healthy, find a culture that is known for its health and try to eat what they ate. That's the basis for the Mediterranean diet, the Okinawan diet, the Weston A. Price diet, and others. Our paleolithic ancestors were generally healthier than their agrarian descendants, so the theory goes that we should eat like hunter-gatherers rather than like farmers. It's rather extreme, because while farmers of 5,000 years ago were very unhealthy (as measured by life expectancy, etc.), farmers of 100 years ago were quite robust. So why not look just a hundred years back instead of a few hundred thousand? (Especially since we actually know what people ate 100 years ago, while we're still largely guessing about the paleolithic era.) There's an answer to that question, and a rebuttal to that answer, but this tangent is long enough.

The paleo diet works for weight loss, at least while people stick to it, probably because it avoids commercially prepared processed foods. The big food companies hire really smart scientists to figure out ways to make their foods more convenient, more palatable, and more addicting, which induces overeating. They process foods by reducing the fiber and water content (fiber and water both promote satiety), adding sugar and fat (increasing caloric density), and engineering the flavor to be particularly binge-worthy. It's much easier to binge on Doritos than on plain, boiled potatoes.

Atkins also avoids most junk foods. The advantage of the paleo diet over Atkins, IMO, is that Atkins seems more appropriate as a short-term (maybe a few years) diet for many people rather than a permanent way of eating. Some people may do perfectly fine on low-carb diets in the long run, but others may develop thyroid problems, elevated LDL, impaired gut flora, occasional scurvy... I don't know of similar issues inherent to long-term paleo (although there are many different versions of paleo, some of which may have similar problems).

[i'm of the opinion that paleo is overkill. While grains, dairy, and legumes may give some people problems, it's not that hard to figure out whether you're lactose intolerant and to avoid dairy if that's the case. For other people, those and other neolithic foods can be perfectly good foods. In my view, it's the foods introduced 50-100 years ago that are the problem, not the foods introduced 10,000 years ago. Nonetheless, overrestrictiveness isn't necessarily a problem unless it inhibits compliance; and for many people, I think the opposite may be true. The "taboo" nature of certain categories of foods may help compliance because taboos are good motivators.]

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

By the way, while I still love Denise, my new crush is Darya Pino Rose. Her book is fantastic. She gets all the nutritional science right, as far as I can tell, but focuses more on topics like the psychology of habit changes. I often felt while reading it that it would be perfect for a sizable contingent of the FFA because it's basically diet by food snobbery. Food prepared from fresh, whole ingredients is not only healthier, but it tastes better, and it's what all the cool kids are eating. Processed food? Gauche!

Maurile -- do you think this is the best book to try to get a reluctant but motivated person to rethink their eating habits? I'm looking for something that generally aligns with scientific consensus, is easy to read, and isn't too preachy or condescending. If there's another book that might be better, let me know. Thanks.

That's difficult to answer in the abstract because different people respond differently to different types of information. For some people, a strong motivational pep talk may be what's called for. For others, a practical meal plan that includes recipes. For others, a list of allowable foods and prohibited (or restricted) foods. For others, an overview of why common food temptations in the modern world are so ubiquitous and subversive, and some tips about the best ways to minimize the threat of those temptations. And so on.

But yes, if I had to recommend one book to a person like you describe, that would probably be the one.

 

[Chaka]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

Yup. Cheese grater works (although a food processor with a grating disk is the best way to go).

Grate it, throw it in a saute pan with some seasonings (your preference) and oil (or butter) and cook until you reach desired consistency.

You can combine the cooked, riced cauliflower with some egg and mozzarella to make a faux pizza crust. It really is nothing like pizza crust, it reminds me more of an omelette, but it makes a good base to hold toppings.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

That was me. Used the "rice" in a burrito, but haven't tried it yet as a stir fry or in any Oriental dishes.

The mashed substitute is glorious. I use butter, cream cheese, and cheddar and whip the hell out of it in the food processor. Good stuff.

This is interesting. I hate cauliflower with the heated passion of a thousand suns and wife makes it almost every meal to try to get me to eat it. I may be willing to try this alternative.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

By the way, while I still love Denise, my new crush is Darya Pino Rose. Her book is fantastic. She gets all the nutritional science right, as far as I can tell, but focuses more on topics like the psychology of habit changes. I often felt while reading it that it would be perfect for a sizable contingent of the FFA because it's basically diet by food snobbery. Food prepared from fresh, whole ingredients is not only healthier, but it tastes better, and it's what all the cool kids are eating. Processed food? Gauche!

Maurile -- do you think this is the best book to try to get a reluctant but motivated person to rethink their eating habits? I'm looking for something that generally aligns with scientific consensus, is easy to read, and isn't too preachy or condescending. If there's another book that might be better, let me know. Thanks.

That's difficult to answer in the abstract because different people respond differently to different types of information. For some people, a strong motivational pep talk may be what's called for. For others, a practical meal plan that includes recipes. For others, a list of allowable foods and prohibited (or restricted) foods. For others, an overview of why common food temptations in the modern world are so ubiquitous and subversive, and some tips about the best ways to minimize the threat of those temptations. And so on.

But yes, if I had to recommend one book to a person like you describe, that would probably be the one.

Thanks.

 

[Chaka]

My corollary to cauliflower "rice" is that I think it's a lot better roasted than sauteed. It turns nuttier, tasting more like rice. I still prefer the puree because grating is messy as hell.

For stir fry's I'd just use shiritaki noodles (be sure to blanche and rinse them properly).

I am going to try that out.

And I am a big fan of the shiritaki noodles. They are great in soups too.

 

[snitwitch]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

 

[John Bender]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

Yup. Cheese grater works (although a food processor with a grating disk is the best way to go).

Grate it, throw it in a saute pan with some seasonings (your preference) and oil (or butter) and cook until you reach desired consistency.

You can combine the cooked, riced cauliflower with some egg and mozzarella to make a faux pizza crust. It really is nothing like pizza crust, it reminds me more of an omelette, but it makes a good base to hold toppings.

yeah, I actually find 5 minutes covered in the microwave is the best way to cook it and then add it to whatever dish.

I do really great tasting shrimp fried rice all the time. My girlfriend, who is not a low carber, prefers it over regular fried rice. I do too.

Awesome stuff and you wouldn't believe how great it tastes.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

I think the Sharkiest of moves* is to do Atkins (or very low carb, or whatever) with an emphasis on food quality (which is essentially the "effortless weight loss" part of the Primal eating plan).

I think that's both the healthiest and most satisfying way to low carb. Your diet lets you eat beef? Make it a great grass-fed steak instead of super market ground beef or deli roast beef. You want to eat more green veggies? Get them from a farmer's market and not the frozen food aisle.

* Keeping in mind I've fallen of the Atkins wagon AND the Paleo wagon (and the Weight Watcher wagon, I've fallen off lots of wagons).

 

[Otis]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

That was me. Used the "rice" in a burrito, but haven't tried it yet as a stir fry or in any Oriental dishes.The mashed substitute is glorious. I use butter, cream cheese, and cheddar and whip the hell out of it in the food processor. Good stuff.

This is interesting. I hate cauliflower with the heated passion of a thousand suns and wife makes it almost every meal to try to get me to eat it. I may be willing to try this alternative.

Never been a fan either.

I bought more cauliflower on my last trip to the grocery store than I have in my entire life to that point. Just make sure to use enough cheese to balance the flavor.

Here's how I made it:

1 head fresh cauliflower

1/2 brick Philly cream cheese (4 oz)

Handful of shredded sharp cheddar (2-3 oz?)

2 pats butter

Nuke or steam/boil the cauliflower so it's tender.

Toss in the food processor while still very hot

Add the rest of the ingredients

Whip it good

Makes 3-4 sides.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

I think the Sharkiest of moves* is to do Atkins (or very low carb, or whatever) with an emphasis on food quality (which is essentially the "effortless weight loss" part of the Primal eating plan).

I think that's both the healthiest and most satisfying way to low carb. Your diet lets you eat beef? Make it a great grass-fed steak instead of super market ground beef or deli roast beef. You want to eat more green veggies? Get them from a farmer's market and not the frozen food aisle.

* Keeping in mind I've fallen of the Atkins wagon AND the Paleo wagon (and the Weight Watcher wagon, I've fallen off lots of wagons).

Luckily you were well padded.

 

[culdeus]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

 

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The mashed substitute is glorious. I use butter, cream cheese, and cheddar and whip the hell out of it in the food processor. Good stuff.

This is interesting. I hate cauliflower with the heated passion of a thousand suns and wife makes it almost every meal to try to get me to eat it. I may be willing to try this alternative.

You'll be hooked.

UPSIDE: You WILL like it... it's surprisingly close to "out of the box" mashed potatoes.

DOWNSIDE: It takes about a suitcase full of cauliflower heads to make 1 cup of the stuff

 

[Angry Beavers]

whitestar for the recipes....

Good luck Otis and the other dieters in here.

The comments about it needing to be a lifestyle change are completely accurate. I fell out of that for a couple of years, but have been really watching what I eat for several months. Now that it is part of the routine I feel great. One of the best comments I ever heard about processed food etc when trying to resist the craving for some crap you really don't need.. You will feel better than the (cookie, dessert, whatever) will taste.

 

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Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

For maintenance, if you are smart and stick to ~2000 calories during the week, you can act like a pretty big culinary jackass on the weekends (have those hot wings, drink that 12pk of beer, etc...within some semblance of reason) and you'll be fine. Throw in some yard work or a run a couple times a week and you're golden.

Definitely not that difficult if you can get where you want. It's a LOT easier to maintain a good weight than it is to shed bad weight at a rate that keeps folks motivated.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I've never used more than 1 head of cauliflower for a cauliflower puree.

 

[Otis]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

 

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PRIMAL!

 

[snitwitch]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Pretty much. But give yourself a weekly cheat day for pizza / beer / junk.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Primer on "Primal"

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2udC75oAH

 

[Otis]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Pretty much. But give yourself a weekly cheat day for pizza / beer / junk.

Sounds totally awesome. In.

 

[General Malaise]

I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

 

[Otis]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Primer on "Primal"http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2udC75oAH

Helpful, thanks.

 

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I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

Olive oil + balsamic vinegar + Splenda + Black pepper/garlic salt/etc.

 

[General Malaise]

I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

Olive oil + balsamic vinegar + Splenda + Black pepper/garlic salt/etc.

That sounds great without Splenda.

Aren't artificial sweetners one of the worst things for the human body? I refuse to use them.

 

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I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

Olive oil + balsamic vinegar + Splenda + Black pepper/garlic salt/etc.

That sounds great without Splenda.

Aren't artificial sweetners one of the worst things for the human body? I refuse to use them.

Stevia works too (natural calorie free)... but I agree I don't need my dressing to be sweet.

Some folks it has to be. Just depends on what you're going for.

In any event. Make a batch of that dressing once or twice a week (It can glob up on ya if sits too long).

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Primer on "Primal"http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2udC75oAH

Helpful, thanks.

Keep in mind some of the specifics on that page are probably out of date with "modern" ancestral nutrition research. For instance, Stephan Guyenet has vigorously attacked the "carbs drive insulin, which drives fat accumulation" hypothesis.

I think those critiques are convincing, but as a practical matter probably don't affect someone actively trying to lose weight.

 

[UniAlias]

I intended to get back on the right track this week but haven't had much success.

My biggest struggle is lunch. I dont wake up early enough in the morning to prepare anything and I'm too lazy/forgetful to prepare stuff the night before. Going to lunch with co-workers has become a great excuse to get out of the office for a bit, but it's always really unhealthy.

I used the online calculator for the Freebirds burrito I had today and learned that I consumed 1,364 calories and 153.5 carbs for a single meal. ####.

 

[culdeus]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

In other words, primal.

Maybe. If that's what that is.

Primer on "Primal"http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz2udC75oAH

Helpful, thanks.

Keep in mind some of the specifics on that page are probably out of date with "modern" ancestral nutrition research. For instance, Stephan Guyenet has vigorously attacked the "carbs drive insulin, which drives fat accumulation" hypothesis.

I think those critiques are convincing, but as a practical matter probably don't affect someone actively trying to lose weight.

Correct, the thought that insulin is not driven by fat has been vigorously thrown out. I'm not sure why he hasn't gone back and edited some of those contents.

The main difference between insulin with fat burning is that it is a much slower burn.

Take for example the humble cheese pizza. You need loads of insulin to cover the bread in the pizza (which often has sugar). The body loves to have those carbs and they ball up in the intestine with the fat, which sits undigested. As late as 6 hours later the pancreas is still working on that fat.

If you give your body strictly the toppings of the pizza the insulin response is far different, and better.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Stevia isn't really "natural." I think there was a lawsuit about this.

ETA: Here's a long New York Times Magazine article about this stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/magazine/the-quest-for-a-natural-sugar-substitute.html?_r=0

 

[hagmania]

Burrito joints aren't so bad - forget the beans and rice and tell them to dump that sucker in a bowl, then ask for generous amounts of guac and sour cream!

 

[culdeus]

I intended to get back on the right track this week but haven't had much success.

My biggest struggle is lunch. I dont wake up early enough in the morning to prepare anything and I'm too lazy/forgetful to prepare stuff the night before. Going to lunch with co-workers has become a great excuse to get out of the office for a bit, but it's always really unhealthy.

I used the online calculator for the Freebirds burrito I had today and learned that I consumed 1,364 calories and 153.5 carbs for a single meal. ####.

Get their bowl. No rice. add guac. It's not that hard.

 

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I intended to get back on the right track this week but haven't had much success.

My biggest struggle is lunch. I dont wake up early enough in the morning to prepare anything and I'm too lazy/forgetful to prepare stuff the night before. Going to lunch with co-workers has become a great excuse to get out of the office for a bit, but it's always really unhealthy.

I used the online calculator for the Freebirds burrito I had today and learned that I consumed 1,364 calories and 153.5 carbs for a single meal. ####.

Yeah... Another example is Chilis has huge discrepancy.... the burgers are like 2000 calories. Some Salads are 1500 calories. Then you've got stuff like the guiltless sirloin with steamed broccoli for something ridiculous like 450 calories.

Do some research into the restaurants you frequent BEFORE you go. Most chains have nutritional info online. If they don't, learn the basics... Get whatever it is grilled not fried. Avoid any sauces or get it on the side and use sparingly. etc.

 

[snitwitch]

I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

Olive oil + balsamic vinegar + Splenda dijon mustard + Black pepper/garlic salt/etc.

fixed

 

[BassNBrew]

Shark Move: Atlkins / Keto to get a kick start, then transfer into some flavor of Paleo/Primal for "lifestyle" eating.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Or rather, more like an Atkins/Keto kickstart transferred into much more relaxed Atkins, with the rules of watching carbs, avoiding the processed crap and junk food except on special occasions. In other words, I'm not going to ever eat pizza again, but I'm not going to eat pizza every other night, and I'm not going to have to have 4 slices when I do. I also will probably have Mcdonalds again, but instead of 2 cheeseburgers, a 10 piece, and large fries, I'll get one cheeseburger and one of those goofy snack wraps. Etc.

For maintenance, if you are smart and stick to ~2000 calories during the week, you can act like a pretty big culinary jackass on the weekends (have those hot wings, drink that 12pk of beer, etc...within some semblance of reason) and you'll be fine. Throw in some yard work or a run a couple times a week and you're golden.

Definitely not that difficult if you can get where you want. It's a LOT easier to maintain a good weight than it is to shed bad weight at a rate that keeps folks motivated.

New to an Otis diet thread???

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

My theory is that sugar is a lot like sodium. If you're not buying a bunch of processed foods, I think you'd be surprised how little you're adding even if you like to sweeten your tea a bit. And it becomes self-reinforcing because your sweet tooth will slowly fade. Even having back-slid, I can't stand store bought dressings. They're way too sweet and I don't enjoy it. I like a little honey in my tea, but it's probably less than a teaspoon per 16 ozs. I'm not that worried about artificial sweeteners, but I just don't think saving the 30 calories is worth it.