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[Pnishthm]

I was listening to sports talk radio tonight and several 49er fans were calling in so happy that they got Norv Turner as OC. Then I get home topnight and read on this board how happy 49er fans are of this hire. Let me ask, what has a Norv Turner offense done in ohhhh.... the past decade? This guy is so overrated it's not even funny. I laugh at the fact of people are saying how much he will up Barlow and Gore's value. Forget it, his offense will still suck and when he gets canned from this job, he will probably get hired again somewhere else and those fans will be all head over heals. When will it end?

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's what I posted on Turner last offseason . . .

Here are the stat lines for the most productive RB each year under Turner's offenses.

1985: Eric Dickerson 292-1234-12 rushing, 20-126-0 receiving (10th)

1986: Eric Dickerson 404-1821-11 rushing, 26-205-0 receiving (1st)

1987: Charles White 324-1374-11 rushing, 23-121-0 receiving (1st)

1988: Greg Bell 288-1212-16 rushing, 24-124-2 receiving (4th)

1989: Greg Bell 272-1137-15 rushing, 19-85-0 receiving (7th)

1990: Cleveland Gary 204-808-14 rushing, 30-150-1 receiving (6th)

1991: Emmitt Smith 365-1563-12 rushing, 49-258-1 receiving (3rd)

1992: Emmitt Smith 373-1713-18 rushing, 59-335-1 receiving (1st)

1993: Emmitt Smith 283-1486-9 rushing, 57-414-1 receiving (1st)

1994: Ricky Ervins 185-650-3 rushing, 51-293-1 receiving (28th)

1995: Terry Allen 338-1309-10 rushing, 31-232-1 receiving (7th)

1996: Terry Allen 347-1353-21 rushing, 32-194-0 receiving (1st)

1997: Terry Allen 210-724-4 rushing, 20-172-1 receiving (28th)

1998: Terry Allen 148-700-2 rushing, 17-128-0 receiving (31st)

1999: Stephen Davis 290-1405-17 rushing, 23-111-0 receiving (4th)

2000: Stephen Davis 332-1318-11 rushing, 33-313-0 receiving (12th)

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson 339-1236-10 rushing, 59-367-0 receiving (7th)

2002: Ricky Williams 383-1853-16 rushing, 47-363-1 receiving (2nd)

2003: Ricky Williams 392-1372-9 rushing, 50-351-1 receiving (9th)

2004: Amos Zereoue 112-425-3 rushing, 39-284-0 receiving (39th)

That averages out to 294-1235-14 rushing, 35-231-1 (11th). That average would amount to 236 fantasy points, and using 2004 rankings, that would have ranked as the #8 RB.

In 20 years, Turner produced 15 Top 10 seasons including the #1 fantasy RB 5 times (and 4 different RB ranked #1 mind you).

So that's the Turner story. the question remains is Jordan in the same class as some of the other RB . . . and you all can decide that one on your own.

Since that time . . .2005: Lamont Jordan 272-1025-9 rushing, 70-563-2 receiving (8th).

Long story short, Lamont Jordan ranked exactly average compared to all other Turner running backs. And people say numbers lie . . .

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Here's what I posted on Turner last offseason . . .

Here are the stat lines for the most productive RB each year under Turner's offenses.

1985: Eric Dickerson 292-1234-12 rushing, 20-126-0 receiving (10th)

1986: Eric Dickerson 404-1821-11 rushing, 26-205-0 receiving (1st)

1987: Charles White 324-1374-11 rushing, 23-121-0 receiving (1st)

1988: Greg Bell 288-1212-16 rushing, 24-124-2 receiving (4th)

1989: Greg Bell 272-1137-15 rushing, 19-85-0 receiving (7th)

1990: Cleveland Gary 204-808-14 rushing, 30-150-1 receiving (6th)

1991: Emmitt Smith 365-1563-12 rushing, 49-258-1 receiving (3rd)

1992: Emmitt Smith 373-1713-18 rushing, 59-335-1 receiving (1st)

1993: Emmitt Smith 283-1486-9 rushing, 57-414-1 receiving (1st)

1994: Ricky Ervins 185-650-3 rushing, 51-293-1 receiving (28th)

1995: Terry Allen 338-1309-10 rushing, 31-232-1 receiving (7th)

1996: Terry Allen 347-1353-21 rushing, 32-194-0 receiving (1st)

1997: Terry Allen 210-724-4 rushing, 20-172-1 receiving (28th)

1998: Terry Allen 148-700-2 rushing, 17-128-0 receiving (31st)

1999: Stephen Davis 290-1405-17 rushing, 23-111-0 receiving (4th)

2000: Stephen Davis 332-1318-11 rushing, 33-313-0 receiving (12th)

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson 339-1236-10 rushing, 59-367-0 receiving (7th)

2002: Ricky Williams 383-1853-16 rushing, 47-363-1 receiving (2nd)

2003: Ricky Williams 392-1372-9 rushing, 50-351-1 receiving (9th)

2004: Amos Zereoue 112-425-3 rushing, 39-284-0 receiving (39th)

That averages out to 294-1235-14 rushing, 35-231-1 (11th). That average would amount to 236 fantasy points, and using 2004 rankings, that would have ranked as the #8 RB.

In 20 years, Turner produced 15 Top 10 seasons including the #1 fantasy RB 5 times (and 4 different RB ranked #1 mind you).

So that's the Turner story. the question remains is Jordan in the same class as some of the other RB . . . and you all can decide that one on your own.

Since that time . . .2005: Lamont Jordan 272-1025-9 rushing, 70-563-2 receiving (8th).

Long story short, Lamont Jordan ranked exactly average compared to all other Turner running backs. And people say numbers lie . . .

Remember this post Yuds. Great post.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Here's what I posted on Turner last offseason . . .

Here are the stat lines for the most productive RB each year under Turner's offenses.

1985: Eric Dickerson 292-1234-12 rushing, 20-126-0 receiving (10th)

1986: Eric Dickerson 404-1821-11 rushing, 26-205-0 receiving (1st)

1987: Charles White 324-1374-11 rushing, 23-121-0 receiving (1st)

1988: Greg Bell 288-1212-16 rushing, 24-124-2 receiving (4th)

1989: Greg Bell 272-1137-15 rushing, 19-85-0 receiving (7th)

1990: Cleveland Gary 204-808-14 rushing, 30-150-1 receiving (6th)

1991: Emmitt Smith 365-1563-12 rushing, 49-258-1 receiving (3rd)

1992: Emmitt Smith 373-1713-18 rushing, 59-335-1 receiving (1st)

1993: Emmitt Smith 283-1486-9 rushing, 57-414-1 receiving (1st)

1994: Ricky Ervins 185-650-3 rushing, 51-293-1 receiving (28th)

1995: Terry Allen 338-1309-10 rushing, 31-232-1 receiving (7th)

1996: Terry Allen 347-1353-21 rushing, 32-194-0 receiving (1st)

1997: Terry Allen 210-724-4 rushing, 20-172-1 receiving (28th)

1998: Terry Allen 148-700-2 rushing, 17-128-0 receiving (31st)

1999: Stephen Davis 290-1405-17 rushing, 23-111-0 receiving (4th)

2000: Stephen Davis 332-1318-11 rushing, 33-313-0 receiving (12th)

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson 339-1236-10 rushing, 59-367-0 receiving (7th)

2002: Ricky Williams 383-1853-16 rushing, 47-363-1 receiving (2nd)

2003: Ricky Williams 392-1372-9 rushing, 50-351-1 receiving (9th)

2004: Amos Zereoue 112-425-3 rushing, 39-284-0 receiving (39th)

That averages out to 294-1235-14 rushing, 35-231-1 (11th). That average would amount to 236 fantasy points, and using 2004 rankings, that would have ranked as the #8 RB.

In 20 years, Turner produced 15 Top 10 seasons including the #1 fantasy RB 5 times (and 4 different RB ranked #1 mind you).

So that's the Turner story. the question remains is Jordan in the same class as some of the other RB . . . and you all can decide that one on your own.

Since that time . . .2005: Lamont Jordan 272-1025-9 rushing, 70-563-2 receiving (8th).

Long story short, Lamont Jordan ranked exactly average compared to all other Turner running backs. And people say numbers lie . . .

Has Turner ever taken over for such a crappy offense and turned it around?

 

[iSnitch]

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[Jimmy James]

Has Turner ever taken over for such a crappy offense and turned it around?

He took the Redskins from 25/26 (points/yards) to 13/19. Of course, it could just be that Petitbon was a terrible coach -- the offense was 14/14 in the last year under Gibbs.I do have to say that the 1999 Redskins offense was excellent. That is what he has done in the past 10 years. I also have to say that even though Jay Fiedler was a terrible QB for his system, 2002 would have also been a pretty good year if not for the terrible games from Ray Lucas.