Owens vs Moss (1 Viewer)

[Ozymandias]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

Ronald Curry and Nate Burleson led their teams in receiving with Moss on the team. Owens has led his team in receiving the last seven years. Owens has averaged 13.9 FP/G the last three years, Moss just 9.5 FP/G (even discounting a couple of games when he was on the field but didn't really play). I don't care that TO is a little more than three years his senior, he's miles ahead of Moss as an NFL player right now.

 

[Riffraff]

I don't care that TO is a little more than three years his senior, he's miles ahead of Moss as an NFL player right now.

Ditto, One appears to enjoy playing football. The other hasn't looked interested in years.

 

[3C's]

I don't care that TO is a little more than three years his senior, he's miles ahead of Moss as an NFL player right now.

Ditto, One appears to enjoy playing football. The other hasn't looked interested in years.

That's it in a nutshell. TO might be a pain in the butt, but he wants to be the best. Moss could be the best but doesn't care to.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Moss has just 60 points of VBD value over the last three years.

WRs with fewer than 60 points of VBD at age 27-29 and over 100 VBD points the rest of their career:

Irving Fryar

Tony Martin

JT Smith

Keenan McCardell

Ed McCaffrey

Joey Galloway

Muhsin Muhammad

Stanley Morgan

Frank Lewis

Brett Perriman

That's a bit more than I expected, so that's a good sign for Moss. Cris Carter, Charlie Joiner, Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, Drew Hill, Joe Horn and John Stallworth all were mediocre from 27-29 but then still had some big years left. Most of those guys weren't great at a young age, though, making Moss a somewhat less reliable comparison. Of course, you could argue that Moss isn't comparable to anyone in NFL history.

 

[Blackjacks]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

Ronald Curry and Nate Burleson led their teams in receiving with Moss on the team.

Didn't Burleson lead the team in recieving the year Moss got hurt and was on pace to have his best year as a pro. I call that playing alittle witht he #'s. Moss also had 13 td's that year with I believe about 9 of them being in the first 6 games. TO has definetly been more productive, no doubt but I contribute alot of Moss's disappoitment being on the Raiders and I believe it sucked the energy right out of him. Anyways for this debate I will definetly say TO has been better but If I was drafting a wr for a dynasty team and Moss ends up in GB I would take Moss before TO.

 

[TheFanatic]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

Ronald Curry and Nate Burleson led their teams in receiving with Moss on the team.

Didn't Burleson lead the team in recieving the year Moss got hurt and was on pace to have his best year as a pro. I call that playing alittle witht he #'s. Moss also had 13 td's that year with I believe about 9 of them being in the first 6 games. TO has definetly been more productive, no doubt but I contribute alot of Moss's disappoitment being on the Raiders and I believe it sucked the energy right out of him. Anyways for this debate I will definetly say TO has been better but If I was drafting a wr for a dynasty team and Moss ends up in GB I would take Moss before TO.

Only a Moss owner would defend that Schlub like that.....You're boy sucks....Time to move on....

 

[DrJ]

Only a Moss owner would defend that Schlub like that.....You're boy sucks....Time to move on....

Well, it is factually accurate. In the first 5 games of that season, Moss had 26 catches for 394 yards and 8 TD's. He caught a TD in every game, and had 3 multi TD games already.Then he tore the hamstring and wasn't the same the rest of the season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Only a Moss owner would defend that Schlub like that.....You're boy sucks....Time to move on....

Well, it is factually accurate. In the first 5 games of that season, Moss had 26 catches for 394 yards and 8 TD's. He caught a TD in every game, and had 3 multi TD games already.Then he tore the hamstring and wasn't the same the rest of the season.

That's true, but Owens led his team in receiving despite playing only seven games.

 

[DrJ]

Only a Moss owner would defend that Schlub like that.....You're boy sucks....Time to move on....

Well, it is factually accurate. In the first 5 games of that season, Moss had 26 catches for 394 yards and 8 TD's. He caught a TD in every game, and had 3 multi TD games already.Then he tore the hamstring and wasn't the same the rest of the season.

That's true, but Owens led his team in receiving despite playing only seven games.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Yes, he was able to best rookie WR R Brown with Mike McMahon throwing to him.Is it really fair to set the bar for one player at 571 receiving yards and 4 TD's and another at 1006 yards and 9 TD's? Hardly...

 

[DrJ]

As to the original topic, I'd say it really depends on your opinion of Moss. The guy was built on pure speed, leaping ability, and some of the most amazing hand eye coordination the league has seen. Has he lost a good part of that, or is he just not showing up because he doesn't care?

I don't watch many Raiders games, but from what I read it sounds like he's getting open some and dropping a lot of passes. To me, that's a motivational thing. Like I said, he has some of the most amazing hand eye coordination the league has seen - I could see some speed going away but that just doesn't.

If he still has it, I'd say he gets the nod due to being significantly younger than Owens still. If he doesn't, well, he's been pretty worthless lately...worthless for longer isn't worth a heck of a lot.

 

[spOOfy]

Owens hands down. For all the reasons Chase already stated. The only positive in Moss' favor is his age compare to TO.

 

[Blackjacks]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

Ronald Curry and Nate Burleson led their teams in receiving with Moss on the team.

Didn't Burleson lead the team in recieving the year Moss got hurt and was on pace to have his best year as a pro. I call that playing alittle witht he #'s. Moss also had 13 td's that year with I believe about 9 of them being in the first 6 games. TO has definetly been more productive, no doubt but I contribute alot of Moss's disappoitment being on the Raiders and I believe it sucked the energy right out of him. Anyways for this debate I will definetly say TO has been better but If I was drafting a wr for a dynasty team and Moss ends up in GB I would take Moss before TO.

Only a Moss owner would defend that Schlub like that.....You're boy sucks....Time to move on....

TO has definetly been more productive, no doubt but I contribute alot of Moss's disappoitment being on the Raiders and I believe it sucked the energy right out of him. Anyways for this debate I will definetly say TO has been better but If I was drafting a wr for a dynasty team and Moss ends up in GB I would take Moss before TO.

How did I defend him? I said TO had outproduced him didn't I? I made a fact that the Raiders suck, don't they? I again said TO DEFINETLY had been better and then made a statement that in my opinion if Moss had a change in scenery he could again be ranked ahead of an older TO in dynasty leagues. Now, I would like to know which ofmy comments is incorrect?

 

[Bevo]

Which of these two extremely talented, but troubled receivers, has the most potential going forward?

Ronald Curry and Nate Burleson led their teams in receiving with Moss on the team. Owens has led his team in receiving the last seven years. Owens has averaged 13.9 FP/G the last three years, Moss just 9.5 FP/G (even discounting a couple of games when he was on the field but didn't really play). I don't care that TO is a little more than three years his senior, he's miles ahead of Moss as an NFL player right now.

I agree. Even in a dynasty I would take TO way before Moss. In a redraft I wouldn't take Moss any higher than my WR3. At least TO is producing at a fairly high level now, I have serious doubts that Moss will ever produce at a high level again.

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

Owens...love him or hate him hes far better than Moss. Moss 5 years ago perhaps makes an argument. His current sad self does not.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I don't watch many Raiders games, but from what I read it sounds like he's getting open some and dropping a lot of passes. To me, that's a motivational thing. Like I said, he has some of the most amazing hand eye coordination the league has seen - I could see some speed going away but that just doesn't.

He didn't get open just on a few occassions, het got open consistently, but dropped far too many balls. There were several instances where he quit on routes or made a half assed effort in going for the jumpball. There were several INTs he got prevented if he had actually fought for the ball.I can only hope the Raiders trade his punk ### and get something in return for him. A salary-cap gain of $7.7 million at the very least (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9988414). We could use that to sign Asomugha to a longterm deal and improve the offensive line.