Pack gonna let Randall Cobb test the market? (1 Viewer)

[Casting Couch]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

That Wallace contract was outrageous.

 

[The Westin]

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Are these the same exact people you're talking about?

If not, you don't have a point.

 

[Pipes]

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

 

[pizzatyme]

what about gb going after jennings? he could plug back in for cobb cheaper.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

Here's a good start.

 

[FUBAR]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

what about gb going after jennings? he could plug back in for cobb cheaper.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

Here's a good start.

I don't think zed is a Packer's fan, and I see that more as a question than a definitive statement. Maybe I'm wrong on both counts though.

 

[pizzatyme]

what about gb going after jennings? he could plug back in for cobb cheaper.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

Here's a good start.

I don't think zed is a Packer's fan, and I see that more as a question than a definitive statement. Maybe I'm wrong on both counts though.

Fair enough. I just don't think Jennings belongs in the same conversation as Cobb when it comes to current abilities. Neither does Devante Adams for that matter. I feel that people are seriously undervaluing Cobb. Rodgers is great but so is Cobb. I've seen this same argument made for and against Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne when it came to Manning.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Cobb is a very good player. He will have success just about anywhere he goes.

Local reporters seem to think the Packers will get it done. In the past they've stepped up to the plate and paid for their guys. (first contract past rookie deal anyway).

I wish I was as confident. I have a nagging fear about this particular deal for a few reasons.

1. Right now there is a disparity between what slot WRs make and their outside counterparts do. Dez and Demaryius are going to get deals north of 12 million/year. Possibly in the 14/15 million per year range. The top slot WR deal right now is 8.6/year with Victor Cruz. It's likely why Cobb originally targeted 9 million annually.

2. The salary cap is going up quite a bit this year. Looking at probably a 10 million jump. They are saying that 2016 could actually jump 17 million more. That is an awful lot more cap room to work with than when a lot of these previous deals were written.

3. Cobb also is a threat at RB, and as a returner. I can see a team looking at him and saying that guy would instantly be the best player on our offense and he's only 24. Imagine how much better the Raiders would look on offense with Carr, Cooper and Cobb.

I think the Packers are in it up to about 10 million annually. After that, I think you'll see the teams that don't have a player the caliber of Cobb on offense bidding him up. Possibly to 11-12 million annually.

As a side note, Cobb won't need to hit the market to find this out. I'm sure his agent already has a very good idea about the framework of a potential offer from a number of suitors.

The Packers would miss Cobb no doubt. But Adams/Janis/Abbrederis/Richard Rodgers have all been in the system for a year. I think whether or not they sign Cobb, the Packers were bound to become more diverse on offense in 2015.

 

[pizzatyme]

Cobb is a very good player. He will have success just about anywhere he goes.

Local reporters seem to think the Packers will get it done. In the past they've stepped up to the plate and paid for their guys. (first contract past rookie deal anyway).

I wish I was as confident. I have a nagging fear about this particular deal for a few reasons.

1. Right now there is a disparity between what slot WRs make and their outside counterparts do. Dez and Demaryius are going to get deals north of 12 million/year. Possibly in the 14/15 million per year range. The top slot WR deal right now is 8.6/year with Victor Cruz. It's likely why Cobb originally targeted 9 million annually.

2. The salary cap is going up quite a bit this year. Looking at probably a 10 million jump. They are saying that 2016 could actually jump 17 million more. That is an awful lot more cap room to work with than when a lot of these previous deals were written.

3. Cobb also is a threat at RB, and as a returner. I can see a team looking at him and saying that guy would instantly be the best player on our offense and he's only 24. Imagine how much better the Raiders would look on offense with Carr, Cooper and Cobb.

I think the Packers are in it up to about 10 million annually. After that, I think you'll see the teams that don't have a player the caliber of Cobb on offense bidding him up. Possibly to 11-12 million annually.

As a side note, Cobb won't need to hit the market to find this out. I'm sure his agent already has a very good idea about the framework of a potential offer from a number of suitors.

The Packers would miss Cobb no doubt. But Adams/Janis/Abbrederis/Richard Rodgers have all been in the system for a year. I think whether or not they sign Cobb, the Packers were bound to become more diverse on offense in 2015.

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

 

[FUBAR]

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

As a team or as an offense?

They had the top scoring offense last year.

I expect Cobb to be gone. the salary I think he'll command on the open market will be high enough that the GM looking at it from the perspective of replacement cost is going to put the money elsewhere and rely on their young talent to replace him. Pretty sure that's why they drafted the young skill players in the first place.

I want him out of the NFC North. (Lions fan)

But as a FF owner, I'm sure hoping he understands the benefits of working with a HOF caliber QB.

 

[pizzatyme]

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

As a team or as an offense?

They had the top scoring offense last year.

I expect Cobb to be gone. the salary I think he'll command on the open market will be high enough that the GM looking at it from the perspective of replacement cost is going to put the money elsewhere and rely on their young talent to replace him. Pretty sure that's why they drafted the young skill players in the first place.

I want him out of the NFC North. (Lions fan)

But as a FF owner, I'm sure hoping he understands the benefits of working with a HOF caliber QB.

I think they could be more diverse which makes them more dangerous in the playoffs.

 

[SayWhat?]

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

As a team or as an offense?

They had the top scoring offense last year.

I expect Cobb to be gone. the salary I think he'll command on the open market will be high enough that the GM looking at it from the perspective of replacement cost is going to put the money elsewhere and rely on their young talent to replace him. Pretty sure that's why they drafted the young skill players in the first place.

I want him out of the NFC North. (Lions fan)

But as a FF owner, I'm sure hoping he understands the benefits of working with a HOF caliber QB.

I think they could be more diverse which makes them more dangerous in the playoffs.

It would be pretty shocking to become a more diverse offense if they lose their most diverse/dynamic weapon.

 

[Sabertooth]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.

Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

As a team or as an offense?

They had the top scoring offense last year.

I expect Cobb to be gone. the salary I think he'll command on the open market will be high enough that the GM looking at it from the perspective of replacement cost is going to put the money elsewhere and rely on their young talent to replace him. Pretty sure that's why they drafted the young skill players in the first place.

I want him out of the NFC North. (Lions fan)

But as a FF owner, I'm sure hoping he understands the benefits of working with a HOF caliber QB.

I think they could be more diverse which makes them more dangerous in the playoffs.

It would be pretty shocking to become a more diverse offense if they lose their most diverse/dynamic weapon.

Not really. Early in the year, Rodgers really only trusted Nelson and Cobb. Adams and to a lesser extent Richard Rodgers earned some degree of trust throughout the course of the season. They will be in a much different place in terms of their knowledge going in to 2015. The offensive line also took a little time to gel. Hopefully they bring back Bulaga. That would set them up well for running the ball from start to finish. If you remember, Lacy had a pretty slow start to the season.

If Cobb leaves in UFA, the compensation will be a 3rd in 2016.

 

[Sabertooth]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.

Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

I've thought about Harvin a bit as well. You'd have to think he's more like 5-6m now, right?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.

Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

Harvin is a locker room cancer. Zero chance the Packers bring him in. He's worn out his welcome in two cities already and that's if you don't count Gainesville or NY. Horrible teammate.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.

Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

I've thought about Harvin a bit as well. You'd have to think he's more like 5-6m now, right?

Probably, with lots of incentives. Seems like a home run. One of those fits that are too good to be true and never actually happen.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

Harvin is a locker room cancer. Zero chance the Packers bring him in. He's worn out his welcome in two cities already and that's if you don't count Gainesville or NY. Horrible teammate.

I'm sure you're right, but bringing him into a strong locker room might help. I don't think there's really a ton of evidence that he was a cancer in SEA, and I didn't hear a peep about him in NY.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely.Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

Harvin is a locker room cancer. Zero chance the Packers bring him in. He's worn out his welcome in two cities already and that's if you don't count Gainesville or NY. Horrible teammate.

I'm sure you're right, but bringing him into a strong locker room might help. I don't think there's really a ton of evidence that he was a cancer in SEA, and I didn't hear a peep about him in NY.

I'm not privy to too much with the Seattle locker room, but I would guess it to be pretty strong. He got in "physical altercations" with Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate. The Seahawks had zero at WR this year, and still decided they would rather have a conditional 4th than Harvin around their team anymore.

I've heard a number of reports that said all you had to do was ask ANYBODY around the Florida football program, and they could have told you Harvin was bad news. Giving him millions of dollars probably hasn't helped.

From LaConfora: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24758765/percy-harvin-trade-factors-russell-wilson-relationship-cowboys-game

Harvin, also a notorious “pain in the ###” as several have put it, and with the Seahawks struggling at 3-2 and him a potential malcontent, was moved ahead of the trade deadline at the end of the month.

 

[sho nuff]

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

You dont read very well...packer fans aren't saying they want him back or he could step in and replace cobb.

 

[sho nuff]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I agree. Think he gets offered 11-12 a year.

You'd have to think a compensatory 3rd at least if that's the case.

Definitely. Packers should sign Harvin for cheaper to replace Cobb when healthy. He will be a cut from the Jets and won't count against the Packers when it comes to compensatory pick calculations.

Harvin is not Packer people.

 

[sho nuff]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I think he never makes it to FA.

He would be a fool if he didn't find out how much he's worth on the open market.

A fool to sign a multimillion dollar contract and remain on a Super Bowl contending team with arguably the best qb in the league?

Um... Ok

Always follow the money trail when speculating on a star player. There is no way in hell that Cobb doesn't go to free agency.

He may end up signing with Green Bay in the end, but he will find his TRUE VALUE on the open market, as he should.

Then why do all of these other star players often sign before testing the open market?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Seriously, now we have people in the SP saying the Pack should go after Harvin? Wtf is wrong with some of you?!?!

 

[Casting Couch]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I think he never makes it to FA.

He would be a fool if he didn't find out how much he's worth on the open market.

A fool to sign a multimillion dollar contract and remain on a Super Bowl contending team with arguably the best qb in the league?

Um... Ok

Always follow the money trail when speculating on a star player. There is no way in hell that Cobb doesn't go to free agency.

He may end up signing with Green Bay in the end, but he will find his TRUE VALUE on the open market, as he should.

Then why do all of these other star players often sign before testing the open market?

Because most of them are being tagged. I'll bet dollars to donuts that Cobb tests the market.

There are zero valid reasons why he shouldn't.

 

[sho nuff]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I think he never makes it to FA.

He would be a fool if he didn't find out how much he's worth on the open market.

A fool to sign a multimillion dollar contract and remain on a Super Bowl contending team with arguably the best qb in the league?

Um... Ok

Always follow the money trail when speculating on a star player. There is no way in hell that Cobb doesn't go to free agency.

He may end up signing with Green Bay in the end, but he will find his TRUE VALUE on the open market, as he should.

Then why do all of these other star players often sign before testing the open market?

Because most of them are being tagged. I'll bet dollars to donuts that Cobb tests the market.

There are zero valid reasons why he shouldn't.

Playing on a contending team with a high dollar contract and reigning MVP for a QB who locks in on Cobb quite often is a very valid reason...even if you don't accept it.

 

[ghostguy123]

People calling Cobb a fool if he does not test the market are..............fools.

It might make him if a fool if his ONLY goal is to make as much money as possible. I have a feeling that is not his ONLY goal.

 

[eNdblu]

Dunno if this was posted or not...

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky

Last month was told Cobb was seeking $9 mil/year. @TomSilverstein says it's now $12M. Price could've gone up after gauging interest in Indy

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/572515355341549568

Can't see Cobb losing much dynasty value if he were to somehow go from Rodgers to Luck!

 

[grateful zed]

what about gb going after jennings? he could plug back in for cobb cheaper.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

Here's a good start.

I don't think zed is a Packer's fan, and I see that more as a question than a definitive statement. Maybe I'm wrong on both counts though.

Fair enough. I just don't think Jennings belongs in the same conversation as Cobb when it comes to current abilities. Neither does Devante Adams for that matter. I feel that people are seriously undervaluing Cobb. Rodgers is great but so is Cobb. I've seen this same argument made for and against Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne when it came to Manning.

the doctor is correct, not a packer fan, but enjoy watching them.

my question was more about options down the road, if they do lose cobb.

jennings know the system and the team knows him. he wouldnt replicate cobb's role exactly, but he could take on some of his route duties. gb could promote/draft a speedster to supplement.

 

[pizzatyme]

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

You dont read very well...packer fans aren't saying they want him back or he could step in and replace cobb.

One of us certainly has reading comprehension issues. HTH

 

[tdmills]

Heard the asking price is now up to $12 Million per year

 

[Archer]

Colts are one of the top teams with lots of cap room, I sure wouldn't mind if he landed there.

 

[sho nuff]

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

Who said that? Most Packer fans wanted Jennings back but didn't feel he was worth the cost of the contract since they had Jordy, Jones and Cobb in the fold. It had nothing to due with Jennings' "knees". I'd certainly welcome him back for a reasonable price but in no way would he be a replacement for Cobb...he's a WR3 at this point in his career. I don't know anyone that thinks Jennings could come in and match Cobb's production and play making ability.

I remember 2 years ago Packer fans were saying Jennings was washed up due to bad knees. Now some are saying he can waltz back in and replace Cobb. LMAO Too rich!

You dont read very well...packer fans aren't saying they want him back or he could step in and replace cobb.

One of us certainly has reading comprehension issues. HTH

You might need to keep reading to the other part bolded that is pretty much against your claim.

Try again....better yet, don't.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Dunno if this was posted or not...

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky

Last month was told Cobb was seeking $9 mil/year. @TomSilverstein says it's now $12M. Price could've gone up after gauging interest in Indy

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/572515355341549568

Can't see Cobb losing much dynasty value if he were to somehow go from Rodgers to Luck!

The Indy reference is to the scouting combine that is held there. Not the Colts.

The only team that we've heard of with an interest so far is the Raiders.

Cobb is a very good player. He will have success just about anywhere he goes.

Local reporters seem to think the Packers will get it done. In the past they've stepped up to the plate and paid for their guys. (first contract past rookie deal anyway).

I wish I was as confident. I have a nagging fear about this particular deal for a few reasons.

1. Right now there is a disparity between what slot WRs make and their outside counterparts do. Dez and Demaryius are going to get deals north of 12 million/year. Possibly in the 14/15 million per year range. The top slot WR deal right now is 8.6/year with Victor Cruz. It's likely why Cobb originally targeted 9 million annually.

2. The salary cap is going up quite a bit this year. Looking at probably a 10 million jump. They are saying that 2016 could actually jump 17 million more. That is an awful lot more cap room to work with than when a lot of these previous deals were written.

3. Cobb also is a threat at RB, and as a returner. I can see a team looking at him and saying that guy would instantly be the best player on our offense and he's only 24. Imagine how much better the Raiders would look on offense with Carr, Cooper and Cobb.

I think the Packers are in it up to about 10 million annually. After that, I think you'll see the teams that don't have a player the caliber of Cobb on offense bidding him up. Possibly to 11-12 million annually.

As a side note, Cobb won't need to hit the market to find this out. I'm sure his agent already has a very good idea about the framework of a potential offer from a number of suitors.

The Packers would miss Cobb no doubt. But Adams/Janis/Abbrederis/Richard Rodgers have all been in the system for a year. I think whether or not they sign Cobb, the Packers were bound to become more diverse on offense in 2015.

Unfortunately, I think I'm gonna be proven correct here.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Heard the asking price is now up to $12 Million per year

If so I am fairly confident the Packers will wish him well with his new team, particularly if that team is in the AFC.

 

[eNdblu]

Dunno if this was posted or not...

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky

Last month was told Cobb was seeking $9 mil/year. @TomSilverstein says it's now $12M. Price could've gone up after gauging interest in Indy

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/572515355341549568

Can't see Cobb losing much dynasty value if he were to somehow go from Rodgers to Luck!

The Indy reference is to the scouting combine that is held there. Not the Colts.

The only team that we've heard of with an interest so far is the Raiders.

AHHHH... Ok

That makes a lot more sense!

 

[fruity pebbles]

Heard the asking price is now up to $12 Million per year

Sounds like a lot but I really think he gets it or close to it. Doubt the Pack pays over 10 though.

 

[grateful zed]

if indy is interested this situation will take on a whole new flavor.

 

[JonB86]

My Bengals are too cheap to do it but he would be awesome alongside AJ Green and a healthy Eifert with Gio and Hill in the backfield!

 

[sho nuff]

Heard the asking price is now up to $12 Million per year

If so I am fairly confident the Packers will wish him well with his new team, particularly if that team is in the AFC.

Yeah...my confidence in him staying before getting to FA would go away if a top team is going after him for that.

 

[beef]

been hearing that $12 mil/yr quite a bit today. packers could have franchised him for about that price this year and then worked out long term deal. but didn't...

march 7th cobb can start talking with other teams.

 

[sho nuff]

dont think he will see 12 mil a year from anyone.

 

[cstu]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

 

[DropKick]

Cobb is a very good player. He will have success just about anywhere he goes.

Local reporters seem to think the Packers will get it done. In the past they've stepped up to the plate and paid for their guys. (first contract past rookie deal anyway).

I wish I was as confident. I have a nagging fear about this particular deal for a few reasons.

1. Right now there is a disparity between what slot WRs make and their outside counterparts do. Dez and Demaryius are going to get deals north of 12 million/year. Possibly in the 14/15 million per year range. The top slot WR deal right now is 8.6/year with Victor Cruz. It's likely why Cobb originally targeted 9 million annually.

2. The salary cap is going up quite a bit this year. Looking at probably a 10 million jump. They are saying that 2016 could actually jump 17 million more. That is an awful lot more cap room to work with than when a lot of these previous deals were written.

3. Cobb also is a threat at RB, and as a returner. I can see a team looking at him and saying that guy would instantly be the best player on our offense and he's only 24. Imagine how much better the Raiders would look on offense with Carr, Cooper and Cobb.

I think the Packers are in it up to about 10 million annually. After that, I think you'll see the teams that don't have a player the caliber of Cobb on offense bidding him up. Possibly to 11-12 million annually.

As a side note, Cobb won't need to hit the market to find this out. I'm sure his agent already has a very good idea about the framework of a potential offer from a number of suitors.

The Packers would miss Cobb no doubt. But Adams/Janis/Abbrederis/Richard Rodgers have all been in the system for a year. I think whether or not they sign Cobb, the Packers were bound to become more diverse on offense in 2015.

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

Seems hugely optimistic to acknowledge they'll miss Cobb but will be as good or even better...

As a Cobb owner, I like him in GB. I think he stays too... A year ago, I recall Cobb quotes about him not having accomplished much (yet)... I believe this was a response to Nelson's contract. He doesn't impress me as an "every last dollar" guy. Right now they're in contract negotiations so the numbers quoted aren't cast in stone. GB is a well run team, I don't think they let a player like Cobb walk when the deal is doable.

 

[massraider]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Those aren't the only two options. Teams have so much cap room, he can get big roster bonuses the next two years, and have very cap friendly numbers after that.

 

[Phenomena]

Cobb is a very good player. He will have success just about anywhere he goes.

Local reporters seem to think the Packers will get it done. In the past they've stepped up to the plate and paid for their guys. (first contract past rookie deal anyway).

I wish I was as confident. I have a nagging fear about this particular deal for a few reasons.

1. Right now there is a disparity between what slot WRs make and their outside counterparts do. Dez and Demaryius are going to get deals north of 12 million/year. Possibly in the 14/15 million per year range. The top slot WR deal right now is 8.6/year with Victor Cruz. It's likely why Cobb originally targeted 9 million annually.

2. The salary cap is going up quite a bit this year. Looking at probably a 10 million jump. They are saying that 2016 could actually jump 17 million more. That is an awful lot more cap room to work with than when a lot of these previous deals were written.

3. Cobb also is a threat at RB, and as a returner. I can see a team looking at him and saying that guy would instantly be the best player on our offense and he's only 24. Imagine how much better the Raiders would look on offense with Carr, Cooper and Cobb.

I think the Packers are in it up to about 10 million annually. After that, I think you'll see the teams that don't have a player the caliber of Cobb on offense bidding him up. Possibly to 11-12 million annually.

As a side note, Cobb won't need to hit the market to find this out. I'm sure his agent already has a very good idea about the framework of a potential offer from a number of suitors.

The Packers would miss Cobb no doubt. But Adams/Janis/Abbrederis/Richard Rodgers have all been in the system for a year. I think whether or not they sign Cobb, the Packers were bound to become more diverse on offense in 2015.

This is a very I do agree that while they miss Cobb, they will likely be nearly as successful if not more so.

Seems hugely optimistic to acknowledge they'll miss Cobb but will be as good or even better...

As a Cobb owner, I like him in GB. I think he stays too... A year ago, I recall Cobb quotes about him not having accomplished much (yet)... I believe this was a response to Nelson's contract. He doesn't impress me as an "every last dollar" guy. Right now they're in contract negotiations so the numbers quoted aren't cast in stone. GB is a well run team, I don't think they let a player like Cobb walk when the deal is doable.

Rodgers can lose any one player on offense and not lose a beat. I'm not worried about it at all. In a perfect world I'd rather see that $10M/year lock up a stud defensive lineman that can help shut down the running game, but those stud, younger players never hit free agency nowadays. I don't really think Cobb is worth $9M/year but with the cap going up, his age, and the fact that Ron Wolf said he didn't do enough to surround Favre with weapons.... this deal probably gets done.

If it's either/or between Bulaga at record-breaking RT money ($7M+/year) or Cobb at $9M/year, I'll take Bulaga all day. Rodgers behind a solid offensive line will complete to anyone. He had ages to throw the ball this year, and even with a bum leg the Pack was 24th in sacks allowed. Phenomenal improvement from the year before when Bulaga was hurt (top five I believe - Rodgers was hit and sacked a ton). Nobody appreciates the big guys until they're gone. Sign Bulaga and bring in some $5M/year nothing special slot WR and Rodgers won't miss a beat. Edelman makes $5M/year ... he's good because he has Brady.

 

[DropKick]

My Bengals are too cheap to do it but he would be awesome alongside AJ Green and a healthy Eifert with Gio and Hill in the backfield!

Becomes a dollars game... If you're the GM, can you live with Jones/Sanu to complement AJ?

 

[FUBAR]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

 

[Casting Couch]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

yeah packer homers think everyone should give the home town discount because playing in GB is some kind of privledge.

When in reality they have lucked into a great back to back QB situation that isnt normal.