Pack gonna let Randall Cobb test the market? (1 Viewer)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Maximizing his value means giving some consideration to his next contract after this one as well. Granted, there may not be one, but there is also a real chance that there will be one. Let's say he goes to a team without the Q.B. or offense to showcase his talents. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument and acknowledging history, that his numbers drop off from 10% to 50%. Will he then get another contract, endorsements, post career T.V. opportunities?

Do you think Gregg Jennings maximized his lifetime earnings by taking his contract with the Vikings? I happen to believe he ended up leaving millions on the table over his professional career, which is now likely to be shorter as well due to his reduced production.

I hope Cobb does well for himself. He has done and said the right things since spectacularly breaking into the conscious of Packer fans with his spectacular spinning kick return. He endured his broken leg, he patiently waited on his contract without being a distraction, and he willingly kept going over the middle. He would be a compliment to any team. Few teams, however, have the tools to make and keep him a star over the next five years. The Packers are one of those teams. There are others. Still, in the end, he has a fixed but unknown value. I do not want the Packers to exceed that value just because I am fond of the Kid.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

yeah packer homers think everyone should give the home town discount because playing in GB is some kind of privledge.

When in reality they have lucked into a great back to back QB situation that isnt normal.

It is a bit of a privilege to play for a team with a stable coach/GM/Q.B. which can maximize your value. There was a time, the 70's and 80's where it was an onerous burden to play for the Packers. In my experience the present worm, too, shall someday turn again.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

He's good as gone. This is not some aging WR thinking he's worth more than he is, this is a guy in his prime and someone is going to throw a bunch of money his way. I could see 49ers, Raiders, Browns, Vikes. Hawks.

 

[sho nuff]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

 

[sho nuff]

DW nailed it with his two posts on this page.

 

[LawFitz]

Is the transition tag no longer available? Can you no longer do 1st or 2nd round tender offers under the transition player rule?

If not, why don't they use that on him to at least get some draft picks out of whoever signs Cobb?

 

[massraider]

Maximizing his value means giving some consideration to his next contract after this one as well. Granted, there may not be one, but there is also a real chance that there will be one. Let's say he goes to a team without the Q.B. or offense to showcase his talents. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument and acknowledging history, that his numbers drop off from 10% to 50%. Will he then get another contract, endorsements, post career T.V. opportunities?

Do you think Gregg Jennings maximized his lifetime earnings by taking his contract with the Vikings? I happen to believe he ended up leaving millions on the table over his professional career, which is now likely to be shorter as well due to his reduced production.

I hope Cobb does well for himself. He has done and said the right things since spectacularly breaking into the conscious of Packer fans with his spectacular spinning kick return. He endured his broken leg, he patiently waited on his contract without being a distraction, and he willingly kept going over the middle. He would be a compliment to any team. Few teams, however, have the tools to make and keep him a star over the next five years. The Packers are one of those teams. There are others.

The long term considerations are probably a part of it to some athletes, but in MOST cases, I would say it is such a small part of the equation to as not be worth mentioning.

Cobb might have more fantasy value, and maybe build a legacy in Green Bay, but he's also playing for a team (and fanbase) that believes it can get solid pass-catching production from the next man up. What if Davante Adams looks like Antonio Brown next year, and Cobb pulls some hammys? Won't take long for Pack fans to look at Cobb as an expensive luxury.

I'm not saying any of that is likely to happen, but when the QB makes players look good, there's always a danger of the pricey vet getting cut out.

Cobb is a slot guy, there's a much bigger market late in the career for the bigger outside WRs. He needs to get the most he can, up front. And a ton of good teams that have money. The only options here aren't 1)Green Bay or 2) Team Destined To Never Win Again.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Maximizing his value means giving some consideration to his next contract after this one as well. Granted, there may not be one, but there is also a real chance that there will be one. Let's say he goes to a team without the Q.B. or offense to showcase his talents. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument and acknowledging history, that his numbers drop off from 10% to 50%. Will he then get another contract, endorsements, post career T.V. opportunities?

Do you think Gregg Jennings maximized his lifetime earnings by taking his contract with the Vikings? I happen to believe he ended up leaving millions on the table over his professional career, which is now likely to be shorter as well due to his reduced production.

I hope Cobb does well for himself. He has done and said the right things since spectacularly breaking into the conscious of Packer fans with his spectacular spinning kick return. He endured his broken leg, he patiently waited on his contract without being a distraction, and he willingly kept going over the middle. He would be a compliment to any team. Few teams, however, have the tools to make and keep him a star over the next five years. The Packers are one of those teams. There are others.

The long term considerations are probably a part of it to some athletes, but in MOST cases, I would say it is such a small part of the equation to as not be worth mentioning.

Cobb might have more fantasy value, and maybe build a legacy in Green Bay, but he's also playing for a team (and fanbase) that believes it can get solid pass-catching production from the next man up. What if Davante Adams looks like Antonio Brown next year, and Cobb pulls some hammys? Won't take long for Pack fans to look at Cobb as an expensive luxury.

I'm not saying any of that is likely to happen, but when the QB makes players look good, there's always a danger of the pricey vet getting cut out.

Cobb is a slot guy, there's a much bigger market late in the career for the bigger outside WRs. He needs to get the most he can, up front. And a ton of good teams that have money. The only options here aren't 1)Green Bay or 2) Team Destined To Never Win Again.

I do believe that there are other teams on which he an maximize his long term value. There are also other teams where he can maximize his immediate value. I understand that a bird in the hand is often worth two in the bush. I think that thinking is particularly true for young men who have not yet been paid.

I also agree that Green Bay's system right now allows the next man up a chance to shine. that is why the Packers are very likely to not be the top bidder monetarily on this next contract, though I do think they will make a respectable offer. I also happen to think that some other team will make Cobb an offer that he just cannot refuse, an offer that would be foolish for Green Bay to match if they ant to remain responsible with their cap dollars. I believe Cobb is as good as gone. I trust that he will be classy in his exit, and will not have felt insulted by Green Bay's last, best, and final offer.

 

[Casting Couch]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Maximizing his value means giving some consideration to his next contract after this one as well. Granted, there may not be one, but there is also a real chance that there will be one. Let's say he goes to a team without the Q.B. or offense to showcase his talents. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument and acknowledging history, that his numbers drop off from 10% to 50%. Will he then get another contract, endorsements, post career T.V. opportunities?

Do you think Gregg Jennings maximized his lifetime earnings by taking his contract with the Vikings? I happen to believe he ended up leaving millions on the table over his professional career, which is now likely to be shorter as well due to his reduced production.

I hope Cobb does well for himself. He has done and said the right things since spectacularly breaking into the conscious of Packer fans with his spectacular spinning kick return. He endured his broken leg, he patiently waited on his contract without being a distraction, and he willingly kept going over the middle. He would be a compliment to any team. Few teams, however, have the tools to make and keep him a star over the next five years. The Packers are one of those teams. There are others. Still, in the end, he has a fixed but unknown value. I do not want the Packers to exceed that value just because I am fond of the Kid.

I agree with this line of thinking, but it doesn't address any valid reasons why he should not let other teams bid for his services,

then go to Green Bay last and allow them to place a similar offer on the table. This is pure common sense move, in my opinion.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Maximizing his value means giving some consideration to his next contract after this one as well. Granted, there may not be one, but there is also a real chance that there will be one. Let's say he goes to a team without the Q.B. or offense to showcase his talents. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument and acknowledging history, that his numbers drop off from 10% to 50%. Will he then get another contract, endorsements, post career T.V. opportunities?

Do you think Gregg Jennings maximized his lifetime earnings by taking his contract with the Vikings? I happen to believe he ended up leaving millions on the table over his professional career, which is now likely to be shorter as well due to his reduced production.

I hope Cobb does well for himself. He has done and said the right things since spectacularly breaking into the conscious of Packer fans with his spectacular spinning kick return. He endured his broken leg, he patiently waited on his contract without being a distraction, and he willingly kept going over the middle. He would be a compliment to any team. Few teams, however, have the tools to make and keep him a star over the next five years. The Packers are one of those teams. There are others. Still, in the end, he has a fixed but unknown value. I do not want the Packers to exceed that value just because I am fond of the Kid.

I agree with this line of thinking, but it doesn't address any valid reasons why he should not let other teams bid for his services,

then go to Green Bay last and allow them to place a similar offer on the table. This is pure common sense move, in my opinion.

I believe most agents have done their due diligence, even to the point of having violated league rules on contact, already, and already have a pretty good feel for the market. That said, there is no reason for Cobb not to allow some bidding for his services, unless, of course, and this is theoretical and likely not at all applicable in the present case, that during that time frame teams make other cap commitments which preclude then making offers to him.

He may want to jump at accepting a silly or reckless offer before shopping it more as sometimes offers get rescinded. The first week of free agency, the silly season, can produce some amazingly out of line contracts. Certainly players are not immune from wanting the opportunity to receive and evaluate such offers.

 

[JonB86]

My Bengals are too cheap to do it but he would be awesome alongside AJ Green and a healthy Eifert with Gio and Hill in the backfield!

Becomes a dollars game... If you're the GM, can you live with Jones/Sanu to complement AJ?

Given the WR makeup of the two teams that just met in the Super Bowl, I would think you can but I would be happy if we did sign him

 

[dollarbill13]

Is the transition tag no longer available? Can you no longer do 1st or 2nd round tender offers under the transition player rule?

If not, why don't they use that on him to at least get some draft picks out of whoever signs Cobb?

There's still a transition tag but no more compensation for it. It basically just gives the original team matching rights to the free agent. I believe the transition tag amount was around $7M for Cobb. The fact that the Packers didn't transition him (and didn't tag anyone else) tells me that they either have a deal in place or that they don't really have much intention of bringing him back. The latter is more likely, in my opinion.

 

[The Kerminator]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

 

[sho nuff]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

 

[cstu]

"Hello, Randall? My name is Chip."

 

[Banger]

As I said early on he's gone. Once they let him hit free agency he was gone.

 

[mr roboto]

"Hello, Randall? My name is Chip."

Why? Is this based on the McCoy trade?

 

[The Westin]

we'll see but he's worth more than seven of the WRs currently making $9M. He probably won't get a Wallace type deal although he could; but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make more than $10M.

It's not about the overall contract, it's what they actually get paid. When a WR has a high salary it makes them easy to cut:

Bowe - signed 5 year, $56M...he'll see 2 year/$24M because he's due $11M this year.

Wallace - signed 5 year, $60M...he'll see 2 year/$30M because he's due $9.9M this year.

Jennings - signed 5 year, $45M...he'll see 2 year/$18M because he's due $11M this year.

Then look add Eric Decker's contract of 5 years, $36M - which he'll probably see all of because his salaries are about ~$7M.

Sure. What's your point? (in relation to Cobb's pending negotiations and free agency)

Point is that he can chase the highest contract but end up seeing only a couple of years of it. Or he could sign for $9M in GB and make himself virtually uncuttable.

Clearly we disagree on Cobb's talent. When a WR (or any player) has a high salary and doesn't perform, they're easy to cut. I'd be on Cobb continuing to perform.

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

yeah packer homers think everyone should give the home town discount because playing in GB is some kind of privledge.When in reality they have lucked into a great back to back QB situation that isnt normal.

Who do you think makes more money in 2019?Randall Cobb who caught balls from Aaron Rodgers for the last 4 years

Or

Randall Cobb who caught balls from Blake Bortes for the last 4 years?

Cobb is young enough to have another big payday after this contract.

I don't think people are saying he's going to take some giant hometown discount because he loves GB so much.

He might take a couple million less to play with a QB who will help him stay relevant up to his next contract.

 

[cstu]

"Hello, Randall? My name is Chip."

Why? Is this based on the McCoy trade?

They did just free up a lot of cap room and Cobb would be a great fit.

 

[mr roboto]

"Hello, Randall? My name is Chip."

Why? Is this based on the McCoy trade?

They did just free up a lot of cap room and Cobb would be a great fit.

Gotcha. I don't follow much about salary cap hits and such.

 

[mr roboto]

Can you imagine Mariota Cobb Matthews Maclin Sproles though? Wow.

 

[flapgreen]

I say he gets blown away with an offer from another team and he takes it.

I think he's gone.

I think he never makes it to FA.

Highly doubt he does

 

[adrenaline]

Can you imagine Mariota Cobb Matthews Maclin Sproles though? Wow.

You must be pretty high on Mariota.

 

[Phenomena]

Can you imagine Mariota Cobb Matthews Maclin Sproles though? Wow.

You must be pretty high on Mariota.

Yea, and Maclin is a free agent. I don't think they are going to sign two $10M/year WRs. Maclin earned a big contract with his play last year.

 

[mr roboto]

Can you imagine Mariota Cobb Matthews Maclin Sproles though? Wow.

You must be pretty high on Mariota.

In Kelly's offense? Sure.

 

[The Kerminator]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

 

[cstu]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

You're assuming he sees all of that money from a bad team. Look at Harvin who's about to get cut and probably never going to approach his current salary. Cobb would be set for life and likely would see the entirety of the contract while playing with a HOF QB, possibly playing his own way there someday.

 

[The Kerminator]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

You're assuming he sees all of that money from a bad team. Look at Harvin who's about to get cut and probably never going to approach his current salary. Cobb would be set for life and likely would see the entirety of the contract while playing with a HOF QB, possibly playing his own way there someday.

I'm not sure you can compare Cobb to Harvin's situation. Harvin is a known cancer in the locker room. Cobb isn't. That leads to Harvin's current situation.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

As I said early on he's gone. Once they let him hit free agency he was gone.

The Packers still have exclusive negotiating rights until Saturday.

 

[Banger]

As I said early on he's gone. Once they let him hit free agency he was gone.

The Packers still have exclusive negotiating rights until Saturday.

I think the money for Cobb is likely going to be too great. If they didn't lock him up early on I can't see him on the eve of free agency signing with the Pack. It's just too tempting to wait a couple more days, get wined and dined and surely get a lot more money than the Pack will offer. As you see with a player like McCoy nothing is forever no matter how good you are and you need to take the money while you can.

 

[Pipes]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

I agree with this and I don't blame players for this either. What if instead of breaking his leg that shot by Elam in 2013 shreds his knee instead? One play like that can ruin a guys' career so thinking a player should leave 2 million per year on the table for a potentially better deal 4 years from now is not really fair. I don't blame Cobb for maximizing his value now nor would I blame the Packers for putting a cap on that value. I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

 

[DocHolliday]

Cobb is gone.

 

[Phenomena]

Cobb is gone.

A league source told Packer Report's Bill Huber the Raiders are considering offering free agent Randall Cobb "a blockbuster deal."
The same source said Jacksonville is "prepared to make a run" at Cobb. The source claims Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie -- an ex-Packers personnel man -- is willing to offer Cobb $11 million annually, a price Green Bay GM Ted Thompson almost certainly wouldn't match. Cobb would replace James Jones as the Raiders' slot receiver. His fantasy outlook would take a huge blow in Oakland

I don't really believe that. They're probably just getting GB to up their end of the deal. Believe nothing until contracts are signed. $11M is absurd for a slot WR.

 

[sho nuff]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

First off...this is assuming someone gives him 11 mil per year.

My point is that some players will think about more than just the next 3-4 years. They will also think...what happens if I sign a bloated deal with a bad team...and 3 years down the road they want to move on and cut me.

So maximizing value...may just mean staying on a good team that looks like they will continue to be good...get a nice 4 year deal with a great signing bonus...win...and earn the whole contract.

And some players...may just think leaving about 6-8 million over 4 years on the table to stay in a place like that might be worth it.

Not all...but some.

 

[cstu]

And some players...may just think leaving about 6-8 million over 4 years on the table to stay in a place like that might be worth it.

Not all...but some.

Jordy did. IMO Cobb would be wise to follow.

 

[cstu]

I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

Today's NFL has a $143M salary cap - it's doable in league that's focused on the pass.

 

[sho nuff]

Also at play is the agent...Sexton and the Packers apparently have not been great at getting along in the past.

 

[massraider]

Cobb is gone.

A league source told Packer Report's Bill Huber the Raiders are considering offering free agent Randall Cobb "a blockbuster deal."
The same source said Jacksonville is "prepared to make a run" at Cobb. The source claims Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie -- an ex-Packers personnel man -- is willing to offer Cobb $11 million annually, a price Green Bay GM Ted Thompson almost certainly wouldn't match. Cobb would replace James Jones as the Raiders' slot receiver. His fantasy outlook would take a huge blow in Oakland

I don't really believe that. They're probably just getting GB to up their end of the deal. Believe nothing until contracts are signed. $11M is absurd for a slot WR.

I 100% believe it. Raiders and Jags can front load the contract so much, that the cap numbers later are more in line with a $9 mill contract.

 

[Shutout]

I agree with this. Packer fan seems to spin this as taking the lower money contract is somehow better for Cobb as there is less chance of him eventually being cut ?

I just have a hard time connecting those dots.

And yes, I have said he would be a fool not to see what his value is on the open market, whether he eventually signs with GB or not, the point is maximizing his value,

NFL careers are very short, relatively speaking.

Packer fans have said that he may not just take the highest bidder if its not a contending team.

Taking 11 mil from Jax or Oakland...or take 9 mil for GB.

And nodoby was spinning about there being a less chance of him getting cut based on money...other than talking about contracts typically get hammered out in the league.

Are you saying he should take a $2 mil discount to stay in GB? That would be ridiculous

If he wants to win and think about his future...yeah, he should take less if it means staying with or going to a contender over bad teams like that.

No way. Cobb is going to get a 3-4 year deal, maybe even 5 years. At $2 mil less per year he would be leaving at minimum 6-8 million on the table. You really think that sticking with a team with a better QB is going to payoff better than that in 4 years? And let's not forget he is a small receiver with an injury history, which could impact his payoff greatly in 4 years. It's wishful thinking on GB fans part to think that Cobb is going to leave that kind of money on the table.

First off...this is assuming someone gives him 11 mil per year.

My point is that some players will think about more than just the next 3-4 years. They will also think...what happens if I sign a bloated deal with a bad team...and 3 years down the road they want to move on and cut me.

So maximizing value...may just mean staying on a good team that looks like they will continue to be good...get a nice 4 year deal with a great signing bonus...win...and earn the whole contract.

And some players...may just think leaving about 6-8 million over 4 years on the table to stay in a place like that might be worth it.

Not all...but some.

It will all come down to the guaranteed money because of all these scenarios you guys are discussing.

X amount of dollars, leaving X amount here, maybe making a lot more at 28 years old if he stays with a good team vs. a bad one...these are all viable scenarios and could go either way.

He could sign for $2 M more a year and with the Raiders and go into the tank, get devalued, get hurt because he is a slot receiver and they need good QBs to put the money in the right spot to prevent getting destroyed at the knees these days. Things like this could happen.

But, if he finds a deal with a LOT upfront and guaranteed, that's what he SHOULD do. Its just common sense. If you make 75k a year and your boss says stay for 80K and firm B says come to us for 85K and firm C says come to us for 82k but with a 30k sign on bonus, you can't ignore that. A bird in the hand...

 

[DocHolliday]

Cobb is going to get an offer that he cannot refuse. I am sure he wants to stay in GB with that great passing O but a few teams are going to offer him A LOT more than GB will be willing and able.

Cobb is not just a slot WR. He is not a true #1 but he has the abilities to operate as a very good #2 or reat slot WR.

 

[Pipes]

I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

Today's NFL has a $143M salary cap - it's doable in league that's focused on the pass.

It's doable but I'm just not a fan of it as WR ranks down on the list of valuable positions. That's not to say Rodgers doesn't need weapons, and I haven't run the numbers, but just by looking at the WR corps of recent Superbowl champs it doesn't appear that any of them have spent 14% of their cap on their top 2 WR's. You throw in the big contracts of Rodgers and Clay I'm just not seeing GB getting into a bidding war over Cobb's services. It sucks because I think he's a very good player but I think that's the reality of the situation.

 

[12punch]

I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

Today's NFL has a $143M salary cap - it's doable in league that's focused on the pass.

that's very shortsighted, though.

if it's truly a league focused on the pass, which is a cliche I'm not sure I buy into, then you need to pay a qb, 5 guys on your o-line, maybe a te, edge rushers, maybe a dt who can get pressure, certainly corners, and at least 1 safety.

the superbowl you just watched featured brandon lafell and julian edelman up against doug baldwin and some dude I never heard of.

where's the model of success where you invest in wr?

I'm not saying it can't be done, but let's not act like this is some kind of common sense approach.

 

[12punch]

But, if he finds a deal with a LOT upfront and guaranteed, that's what he SHOULD do. Its just common sense. If you make 75k a year and your boss says stay for 80K and firm B says come to us for 85K and firm C says come to us for 82k but with a 30k sign on bonus, you can't ignore that. A bird in the hand...

and you concocted that whole scenario to show us that 8.2m/yr + a 3m bonus from the raiders is better than 8.5m/yr from another team?

ok, thx

 

[cstu]

I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

Today's NFL has a $143M salary cap - it's doable in league that's focused on the pass.

that's very shortsighted, though.

if it's truly a league focused on the pass, which is a cliche I'm not sure I buy into, then you need to pay a qb, 5 guys on your o-line, maybe a te, edge rushers, maybe a dt who can get pressure, certainly corners, and at least 1 safety.

the superbowl you just watched featured brandon lafell and julian edelman up against doug baldwin and some dude I never heard of.

where's the model of success where you invest in wr?

I'm not saying it can't be done, but let's not act like this is some kind of common sense approach.

RB's can be picked up in the 2nd round rather easy. Even if a team ties up $40M in QB and two WR's that leaves $100M to fill out the rest of the roster. They're also positions the team doesn't need to worry about in the team and can spend those picks on the positions to mentioned.

As for model of success, the Colts paid a lot of money to both Harrison and Wayne (who signed a 6 year/$39M deal in 2006 to stay with the Colts). They won the Super Bowl that year.

 

[12punch]

I love Cobb but I wouldn't like GB having 19-20 million tied up in 2 WRs...that's just not smart in today's NFL.

Today's NFL has a $143M salary cap - it's doable in league that's focused on the pass.

that's very shortsighted, though.

if it's truly a league focused on the pass, which is a cliche I'm not sure I buy into, then you need to pay a qb, 5 guys on your o-line, maybe a te, edge rushers, maybe a dt who can get pressure, certainly corners, and at least 1 safety.

the superbowl you just watched featured brandon lafell and julian edelman up against doug baldwin and some dude I never heard of.

where's the model of success where you invest in wr?

I'm not saying it can't be done, but let's not act like this is some kind of common sense approach.

RB's can be picked up in the 2nd round rather easy. Even if a team ties up $40M in QB and two WR's that leaves $100M to fill out the rest of the roster. They're also positions the team doesn't need to worry about in the team and can spend those picks on the positions to mentioned.

As for model of success, the Colts paid a lot of money to both Harrison and Wayne (who signed a 6 year/$39M deal in 2006 to stay with the Colts). They won the Super Bowl that year.

so, we only have to go back 9 yrs to a team led by peyton manning beating rex grossman to find something?

ok

think that pretty much sums it up

spending 100m on the rest of your team doesn't look so great when everybody else can spend 120

 

[cstu]

so, we only have to go back 9 yrs to a team led by peyton manning beating rex grossman to find something?

ok

think that pretty much sums it up

spending 100m on the rest of your team doesn't look so great when everybody else can spend 120

1. The Packers aren't getting Belichick as head coach any time soon.

2. They aren't getting the Seahawks or Steelers defense soon either.

3. The Ravens won with a good defense and a QB on a rookie contract who got hot at the right time.

4. The Giants did won a couple of times, but IMO those wins were more fluky than won by design.

The Packers identity - like the Colts were - is as a passing team. By re-signing Cobb they don't have to worry about WR at all for the next 3 years since Adams is on his rookie deal until then. They also have a serviceable TE with 3 years left on his rookie deal. All of their draft picks and money can be focused on OL and defense.

 

[Yenrub]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

 

[12punch]

so, we only have to go back 9 yrs to a team led by peyton manning beating rex grossman to find something?

ok

think that pretty much sums it up

spending 100m on the rest of your team doesn't look so great when everybody else can spend 120

1. The Packers aren't getting Belichick as head coach any time soon.

2. They aren't getting the Seahawks or Steelers defense soon either.

3. The Ravens won with a good defense and a QB on a rookie contract who got hot at the right time.

4. The Giants did won a couple of times, but IMO those wins were more fluky than won by design.

The Packers identity - like the Colts were - is as a passing team. By re-signing Cobb they don't have to worry about WR at all for the next 3 years since Adams is on his rookie deal until then. They also have a serviceable TE with 3 years left on his rookie deal. All of their draft picks and money can be focused on OL and defense.

take that, giants fans

all of their money can't be focused on ol and d because it's sunk into wr --- that's how that works

if they let cobb walk and sink the money into ol and d then their draft picks can just be focused on wr -- well, one of them, anyway.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Will not get more than Jordy Nelson, see ya.

 

[massraider]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

Yeah, but with what guarantees?

THe argument isn't whether the average is a million or two more for Cobb, it's how much money will he get in guarantees? If the Pack offers 18 mill over the next two years, and some other team is offering 26 mill, that's a huge difference, and real money. And that's the deal he needs to take.

I don't think people realize exactly how much cap space there is out there. THere are several teams that can give him half the cash of a five year deal on the first two years, making him a bargain for the last three years of the deal.