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Pack gonna let Randall Cobb test the market? (1 Viewer)

Tool said:
DocHolliday said:
I totally missed this call.

This is big win for GB. Also a big for. FF owners of Cobb and even Rogers.

I still think this is a mistake by Cobb.
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10 M a year to play with Rodgers in a place where he's happy. I wouldn't have faulted him for signing elsewhere, but hard to conclude that's a mistake.
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Frankly, I respect him even more if he gave up a million or so per year to play for a team he likes, has a legit chance for a Super Bowl and gives him a better chance to make the HOF eventually (yeah, he's not there yet but we'll assess at the end of this contract). All that instead of maximizing his salary seems like a fair trade as he clearly values those things more. :thumbup:

 
Tool said:
DocHolliday said:
I totally missed this call.

This is big win for GB. Also a big for. FF owners of Cobb and even Rogers.

I still think this is a mistake by Cobb.
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10 M a year to play with Rodgers in a place where he's happy. I wouldn't have faulted him for signing elsewhere, but hard to conclude that's a mistake.
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I dont understand how anyone could think this is a mistake. Lets say he was going to get 13m for 4 years (52 Mil total) when going to a lesser NFL team (Raiders anyone)? Does anyone really think he would succeed at one of these poor teams? Anyone think he could push to be a top 10 WR at anywhere he likely was signing for more money?

2015-2019: $52 Mil (a greater than 50% chance of a mediocre result with a very poor team looking to overpay him now)

2020-2025: $32 Mil (Best case he is a little above average and get renewed at $8 mil a year/4 years after this contract he is now 32 years old and out of the league)

VS

2015-2019: $40 Mil (lesser contract now in $ with long term payoff as he is VERY likely to perform at the same level or higher moving forward)

2020-2025: $60 Mil (He is looking at getting a top 10 contract as he will be 28 at his next signing)

2026-2028: $10 Mil (One last contract as he rides off into the sunset after a pretty good career)

Likely what Cobbs agent told him was we can either push all-in on your career now and you need to be one of the best WRs of all-time to succeed in Oakland and other places (look at Moss's career). On the flip side you can take the safe bet take a good chunk of change now, get a ton of marketing deals for being a Packer, play with likely the best QB over the next 4 years, and then cash in 4 years from now either in GB when Jordy is likely gone/on vet contract, or sign elsewhere yourself.

 
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Guy took a deal that gave him enough to satisfy him, in order to stay in a situation he wanted to stay in. No need to make up arbitrary and imaginary numbers and present them as real to try and make it mathematically convincing.

 
Freelove said:
Guy took a deal that gave him enough to satisfy him, in order to stay in a situation he wanted to stay in. No need to make up arbitrary and imaginary numbers and present them as real to try and make it mathematically convincing.
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No this is very real just ask Greg Jennings, if he is still with the Packers he likely would still be playing at a high level. Cobb has a chance for another big time contract and I don't think it is "imaginary" and foolish to look ahead at what his next contract could be based on his production.

You can call it imaginary but there is less chance Cobb takes a discount if he is 28/29 years old right now. This just happens to be the first of 2 big contracts he can have in his career. This is 100% why I thought all along he was coming back to Green Bay.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/725064-pack-gonna-let-randall-cobb-test-the-market/?p=17817058

 
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Casting Couch said:
humpback said:
Cobb would take $1-$2M less to stay with GB?
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The title is inaccurate. In order for Cobb to stay with Green Bay, he would have to be willing to take 1-2 MIL less. This is not saying he is will do so, as your title suggests.

A bit of homer-ism from the Acme Packing Co.

Here is the actual report :

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Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 7 - 1:39 PM
Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson reports free agent WR Randall Cobb would have to take $1-2 million less per year to re-sign with the Packers.
Green Bay is reportedly willing to pay Cobb $9 million a year, but Cobb is expected to receive offers of up to $11 million a season from cap stacked teams like the Jaguars and Raiders. It is not inconceivable Cobb would take a hometown discount to continue playing with the best quarterback in the game, but $2 million is quite a bit more than a discount. Cobb will likely be playing somewhere else in 2015.
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Update?

 
TDorBust said:
Tool said:
DocHolliday said:
I totally missed this call.

This is big win for GB. Also a big for. FF owners of Cobb and even Rogers.

I still think this is a mistake by Cobb.
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10 M a year to play with Rodgers in a place where he's happy. I wouldn't have faulted him for signing elsewhere, but hard to conclude that's a mistake.
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I dont understand how anyone could think this is a mistake. Lets say he was going to get 13m for 4 years (52 Mil total) when going to a lesser NFL team (Raiders anyone)? Does anyone really think he would succeed at one of these poor teams? Anyone think he could push to be a top 10 WR at anywhere he likely was signing for more money?2015-2019: $52 Mil (a greater than 50% chance of a mediocre result with a very poor team looking to overpay him now)

2020-2025: $32 Mil (Best case he is a little above average and get renewed at $8 mil a year/4 years after this contract he is now 32 years old and out of the league)

VS

2015-2019: $40 Mil (lesser contract now in $ with long term payoff as he is VERY likely to perform at the same level or higher moving forward)

2020-2025: $60 Mil (He is looking at getting a top 10 contract as he will be 28 at his next signing)

2026-2028: $10 Mil (One last contract as he rides off into the sunset after a pretty good career)

Likely what Cobbs agent told him was we can either push all-in on your career now and you need to be one of the best WRs of all-time to succeed in Oakland and other places (look at Moss's career). On the flip side you can take the safe bet take a good chunk of change now, get a ton of marketing deals for being a Packer, play with likely the best QB over the next 4 years, and then cash in 4 years from now either in GB when Jordy is likely gone/on vet contract, or sign elsewhere yourself.
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Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.

 
It was the smart move. If he takes the extra $ and goes to a team without an upper tier QB, he not only sees just the guaranteed $ but his next contract would be for far less that his 2nd big contract would be after another 4 years with Rodgers at QB and he could very well be effectively finished by 28 like Peerless Price was.

 
Cobb is a smart guy. Remaining in GB ensures the best exposure and probably better endorsement deals

 
Packers are smart to keep him despite their bet on letting Cobb test free agency turning against them. Props to them for not losing sight of the big picture and getting a deal done.

 
Pack up their offer a bit but still stayed for less. Good deal though for both sides. I certainly thought he'd test the market. I was wrong.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.
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He is a top WR in GB and when he comes up for contract in another 4 years he will ONLY BE 28 years old with 3-5 good years still left in him likely. If he were to sign in Oakland or Jacksonville he would see his value take a major hit over the next 4 years likely due to his decrease in production.

I also think contracts will increase that much in the next 4 years that top WRs will be making around $13-15 mil/year. Him making $60 mil over 5 years is really not out of the question in my mind with the increase we likely will continue to see at the WR position he could be in position to make even more.

2011 WR Contract Average/year - 16.1, 11.4, 9.6, 9.3, 9.2, 9.2, 9, 8.9, 8.3, 8.2

2015 WR Contract Average/year - 16.2, 12.8, 12.8, 12, 11.2, 11.1, 11, 10.7, 10, 10

*Primarily a 2-3 mil/year increase over the last 4 years

Edit: Also about being used more? He would be use more but less effectively in Oakland and Jacksonville likely. Running him, screens, and targeted more would be what would happen in those two locations. The issue would be that he would be likely targeted more but with less success. Right now as Adams/R Rodgers progress and Abracadabra gets healthy Cobb has the potential to be targeted slightly less as Rodgers looks to spread the ball around.

 
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TDorBust said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.
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He is a top WR in GB and when he comes up for contract in another 4 years he will ONLY BE 28 years old with 3-5 good years still left in him likely. If he were to sign in Oakland or Jacksonville he would see his value take a major hit over the next 4 years likely due to his decrease in production.

I also think contracts will increase that much in the next 4 years that top WRs will be making around $13-15 mil/year. Him making $60 mil over 5 years is really not out of the question in my mind with the increase we likely will continue to see at the WR position he could be in position to make even more.

2011 WR Contract Average/year - 16.1, 11.4, 9.6, 9.3, 9.2, 9.2, 9, 8.9, 8.3, 8.2

2015 WR Contract Average/year - 16.2, 12.8, 12.8, 12, 11.2, 11.1, 11, 10.7, 10, 10

*Primarily a 2-3 mil/year increase over the last 4 years
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How many good 30 year old slot receivers are there in the league? :crickets:

Speed is the first thing to go, and without the quickness, undersized receivers are nothing.

The outlier is Welker, whom was productive right at age 30. His age 31 season he tanked big time, constantly hurt, lacked separation.

 
Phenomena said:
TDorBust said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.
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He is a top WR in GB and when he comes up for contract in another 4 years he will ONLY BE 28 years old with 3-5 good years still left in him likely. If he were to sign in Oakland or Jacksonville he would see his value take a major hit over the next 4 years likely due to his decrease in production.

I also think contracts will increase that much in the next 4 years that top WRs will be making around $13-15 mil/year. Him making $60 mil over 5 years is really not out of the question in my mind with the increase we likely will continue to see at the WR position he could be in position to make even more.

2011 WR Contract Average/year - 16.1, 11.4, 9.6, 9.3, 9.2, 9.2, 9, 8.9, 8.3, 8.2

2015 WR Contract Average/year - 16.2, 12.8, 12.8, 12, 11.2, 11.1, 11, 10.7, 10, 10

*Primarily a 2-3 mil/year increase over the last 4 years
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How many good 30 year old slot receivers are there in the league? :crickets:

Speed is the first thing to go, and without the quickness, undersized receivers are nothing.

The outlier is Welker, whom was productive right at age 30. His age 31 season he tanked big time, constantly hurt, lacked separation.
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Reggie Wayne plays in the slot, no?

 
TDorBust said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.
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He is a top WR in GB and when he comes up for contract in another 4 years he will ONLY BE 28 years old with 3-5 good years still left in him likely. If he were to sign in Oakland or Jacksonville he would see his value take a major hit over the next 4 years likely due to his decrease in production.

I also think contracts will increase that much in the next 4 years that top WRs will be making around $13-15 mil/year. Him making $60 mil over 5 years is really not out of the question in my mind with the increase we likely will continue to see at the WR position he could be in position to make even more.

2011 WR Contract Average/year - 16.1, 11.4, 9.6, 9.3, 9.2, 9.2, 9, 8.9, 8.3, 8.2

2015 WR Contract Average/year - 16.2, 12.8, 12.8, 12, 11.2, 11.1, 11, 10.7, 10, 10

*Primarily a 2-3 mil/year increase over the last 4 years

Edit: Also about being used more? He would be use more but less effectively in Oakland and Jacksonville likely. Running him, screens, and targeted more would be what would happen in those two locations. The issue would be that he would be likely targeted more but with less success. Right now as Adams/R Rodgers progress and Abracadabra gets healthy Cobb has the potential to be targeted slightly less as Rodgers looks to spread the ball around.
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This is the biggest contract he will see... 5yr/$60MM in 2020 is highly unlikely. What he did was admirable, but to try and frame it as him opening the door to significantly more money is blatantly incorrect IMO.

 
Mike63 said:
Cobb is a smart guy. Remaining in GB ensures the best exposure and probably better endorsement deals
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does Cobb endorse anything? He'll never be more than the #2, probably #3 or lower, face of Green Bay. Packers are a popular team and Cobb seems a decent guy but what is his endorsement potential?

 
with Maclin coming off the market I think Cobb gave up more than being reported, but I like it as a Dynasty owner... he'll over take Jordy in a yr or 2 as the official #1

 
KellysHeroes said:
with Maclin coming off the market I think Cobb gave up more than being reported, but I like it as a Dynasty owner... he'll over take Jordy in a yr or 2 as the official #1
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Maybe...or Maclin cahsed in a bit by Cobb signing.

One was going to go first and sort of increase the value for the other.

Not monetarily...but Cobb seems to have gotten the better end of it. Playing in GB, with Jordy and Rodgers.

Maclin goes to a place that doesn't throw TDs to WRs and has Alex Smith as a QB.

 
sho nuff said:
KellysHeroes said:
with Maclin coming off the market I think Cobb gave up more than being reported, but I like it as a Dynasty owner... he'll over take Jordy in a yr or 2 as the official #1
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Maybe...or Maclin cahsed in a bit by Cobb signing.

One was going to go first and sort of increase the value for the other.

Not monetarily...but Cobb seems to have gotten the better end of it. Playing in GB, with Jordy and Rodgers.

Maclin goes to a place that doesn't throw TDs to WRs and has Alex Smith as a QB.
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gotta believe the only reasons Mac went to KC is he likes Reid and wanted to go home. Seems like a horrible career decision.

 
Phenomena said:
How many good 30 year old slot receivers are there in the league? :crickets:

Speed is the first thing to go, and without the quickness, undersized receivers are nothing.

The outlier is Welker, whom was productive right at age 30. His age 31 season he tanked big time, constantly hurt, lacked separation.
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Hey, Bobby Engram had 94 catches when he was 34. And he was slow as anything.

 
Tool said:
Phenomena said:
TDorBust said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Your 2020-2025 stuff is incorrect IMO... You think in this situation where he'll be used a lot more, add tons of miles in GB, he'll be worth double in 4-5 years as opposed to signing elsewhere.
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He is a top WR in GB and when he comes up for contract in another 4 years he will ONLY BE 28 years old with 3-5 good years still left in him likely. If he were to sign in Oakland or Jacksonville he would see his value take a major hit over the next 4 years likely due to his decrease in production.

I also think contracts will increase that much in the next 4 years that top WRs will be making around $13-15 mil/year. Him making $60 mil over 5 years is really not out of the question in my mind with the increase we likely will continue to see at the WR position he could be in position to make even more.

2011 WR Contract Average/year - 16.1, 11.4, 9.6, 9.3, 9.2, 9.2, 9, 8.9, 8.3, 8.2

2015 WR Contract Average/year - 16.2, 12.8, 12.8, 12, 11.2, 11.1, 11, 10.7, 10, 10

*Primarily a 2-3 mil/year increase over the last 4 years
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How many good 30 year old slot receivers are there in the league? :crickets:

Speed is the first thing to go, and without the quickness, undersized receivers are nothing.

The outlier is Welker, whom was productive right at age 30. His age 31 season he tanked big time, constantly hurt, lacked separation.
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Reggie Wayne plays in the slot, no?
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Boldin plays the slot.

 
One comment on Randall Cobb. He is willing to play the slot, but I would not pigeon-hole him as a slot receiver. He is quite effective outside and out of the backfield. In fact I particularly like the fact that the packers will rotate Jordy nelson and Devonte Adams into the slot occasionally as well and will have Cobb lined up outside when they do. Every game it seems you will see at least one deep outside throw to Cobb, and at least one bubble screen throw as well when he is out there. He is fast, he is shifty, and he is versatile.

 
I am back to eat a bit of crow. I was off base with my insistence that Cobb would test the FA market before signing with Green Bay or another team.

I was wrrr...rrrr.... wrong.

 
Sabertooth said:
sho nuff said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
sho nuff said:
Underachievers said:
He will not get a ring in Green Bay. Not with McCarthy at the helm at least.
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Because McCarthy is incapable of coaching a Super Bowl team?
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he had one this year an choked it
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Did that all on his own huh?

Oof.
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He was a big ####### part of it. Can't deny that.
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No doubt about it.

But just claiing he is incapable of winning a ring is dumb since he has already done that.

 
Funny watching twitter right now and there were rumors that Packers were one team interested in Revis.

Probably Ted...or maybe not even Ted...calling his agent saying. Hey, if you don't like your market give us a call, we are interested.

 
Casting Couch said:
I am back to eat a bit of crow. I was off base with my insistence that Cobb would test the FA market before signing with Green Bay or another team.

I was wrrr...rrrr.... wrong.
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Not really as all these other players were already picked to go to their teams over the weekend so he likely already had tested the market and knew exactly what he was going to get elsewhere. Heard on the radio today he knew he left a little money out in FA but his thought process was not just about money and that long term he is hopeful to get another shot at big money when he is in his prime between age 28-32 and another great 4 years in GB. (ESPN RADIO WISCONSIN is where i heard this)

 
Sabertooth said:
sho nuff said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
sho nuff said:
Underachievers said:
He will not get a ring in Green Bay. Not with McCarthy at the helm at least.
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Because McCarthy is incapable of coaching a Super Bowl team?
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he had one this year an choked it
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Did that all on his own huh?

Oof.
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He was a big ####### part of it. Can't deny that.
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You are not doing better at HC than McCarthy unless the Patriots decide to move on from their "horrible" head coach lol. You can take shots at him all you want but McCarthy is a great HC and if you don't like it then feel free to cheer for the teams that bring in the big name HCs that never pan out.

 
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