Warpig
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How about this?
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Packers Offer 1st and 4th for L.J. (1 Viewer)
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Would the Packers be allowed to work out (or try to work out) an extension with LJ before making the trade?1st and 4th seems a bit high for a RB to me.
packersfan
Footballguy
Definitely true. However, this report originated on Scout.com. Fantasy people have probably heard about Adam Caplan. He's one of the people that works for them. That site is very credible in my opinion.
Kleck.
Footballguy
I guess I'm on the outside of this Packer fan circle then. I just don't like it.
I don't think LJ has more than 2-3 years tops left in him as a stud level RB. I also don't like the idea of trading away a 1st and 4th for a guy that will demand a long term, $60 or more million contract.
It's just too much to spend (picks and money) on a risky position to begin with, and for a back that is coming off a 457+ touch season that will be 28 this year.
I don't think LJ has more than 2-3 years tops left in him as a stud level RB. I also don't like the idea of trading away a 1st and 4th for a guy that will demand a long term, $60 or more million contract.
It's just too much to spend (picks and money) on a risky position to begin with, and for a back that is coming off a 457+ touch season that will be 28 this year.
Milwaukees_best
Footballguy
What if instead of the 4th round pick the Pack throws in KGB?
Maybe as well as the 4th round pick. The Chiefs would have a DE to line up oppostite Allen and dropping KGBs contract off the books would insure the packers enough free money to still go out and get Randy moss. KGB is overpaid and I believe the last bad contract of the Sherman Era.
Maybe as well as the 4th round pick. The Chiefs would have a DE to line up oppostite Allen and dropping KGBs contract off the books would insure the packers enough free money to still go out and get Randy moss. KGB is overpaid and I believe the last bad contract of the Sherman Era.
Kleck.
Footballguy
KC would probably allow them to talk if this is indeed what they want, and if the trade does happen, they could extend him at any point. WHich is what LJ would want anyway.
So he's a FA? Big deal. Franchise him. It would be cheaper. Or let people make offers in a trade. Or sign him to a deal next year.Regardless, you're not going to "lose" him next year. This is the NFL. Franchise players are never lost, they are franchised, signed, or traded. They'll slap the franchise on him next year and go from there.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
These kind of trades don't happen this late in the offseason. Hate to be a downer but don't see it happening.
Terrible deal for the Packers. LJ's value as a RB was directly linked to the play of the O-Line and scheme In KC last year. With the line disintergrating during the offseason I had already moved LJ out of my top 5 and beyond. Looking at yards per carry LJ is not representing any better stats than Morency. Great for KC if they dump a high milage, potential locker room cancer from their books for a first and third. Before you get your undies in a bunch over this post consider that a team with NO WR, a very talented TE but getting up in years and LJ and no choice but to run for 400+ plus carries. Every one follows the lemmings off the cliff with last years stats. Past performance is no indication of future returns and I will say it right now LJ will be a bust realtive to his average draft position, 1200rushing yds 9TD's and no more. Some of you Dynasty LJ owners are going to pitch a fit with this post. So what, I will be right and you will be stuck trying to trade him away next year cause your heart broken.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Which would make him a huge upgrade for the Packers at RB.
High mileage?SJAX had just as many touches as LJ last year, he's high mileage too?
LJ has had less then 1,000 carries.
And the KC o-line sucked, and the scheme left town. Yards per carry. Morency = LJ. That's rich.
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Last year was due to the fact that they were changing their scheme to zone blocking and they started 3 rookies at times.In '05, the OL had a lot of injuries starting with Kevin Barry and continuing throughout the season. Also, Ahman got hurt, then Najeh got hurt, they struggled to find someone to carry the football. Then Gado came along and scored 5 or 6 rushing TDs before he went on IR in week 13 or so.I don't recall exactly what happened in '04 though. Green wasn't healthy again though so that may have had a lot to do with it.Wow! I knew of their offensive struggles of course, but I'd not seen those stats!
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
The answer may be in your qeustion. The fact that 2 marquee RBs were available then probably lowered the value of each.
Kleck.
Footballguy
I don't see that ending well. Especially since Johnson will then be a year older and even more desperate for that long term deal. Sorry bro, I just don't like it, and I'm OK with being one of the only Packer fans that feels this way.
BS the Pack rushing woes can be linked directly to the sloppy arm slinging of one over the hill, future hall of fame QB. Why put anyone in coverage when you only have to wait for BF to throw the ball to your team, stack the line stop the run and Brett will get your team the ball. In the loss to Philly a couple of years ago, during the Playoffs I swear he looked right at the defender, pointed and said "Here Kid this one is for you" completing one very well timed interception, smiled real nice and finally got to go back to his home in MS for the off season. I know, I know cant say nothing critical about Favre, he "was" a great QB, he "was" agreat team leader but not now "ITS NOT MY JOB TO TEACH ROGERS THE GAME", alas the gunslinger has run out of ammo and the GB Wagon Brain Trust have run out of horses. Trade for Turner, Draft Lynch but for goodness sake Taking an overated 28 year old soon to be broken diaper wearing cry baby is just stupid.
packersfan
Footballguy
I haven't been a big fan of Thompson's and I don't have a lot of faith in him at the present time. If he made this deal, that opinion would change. I would like the fact he's making a strong and aggressive move to add a major upgrade to this team's offense.
One you know absoulutly nothing about Football. The KC o-line was a better then average Run Blocking Line, They were not as good in pass protection. This is the case with many teams, somtimes its the opposite, good pass protection not so good in run blocking. Quit being a FAN and think about what is actually taking place at the line of scrimmage. I bet you own LJ in a League? I am sure you really do know a thing or two about football but I just have to argue with you over LJ coming in to replace A. Green after GBAY let him walk. I am going to speculate their is less truth to this than is being reported. I just cant see them giving up a !st and third for him with the team needs, his age and his attitude. If there is anything to this, I bet they bluffing to gain leverage for trading a second round pick for a very hot porspect with a Sand Diego Zip Code.
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
I know LJ is 28 but he did sit behind Priest for a season or two and has only really played full time for one full season... he did have a ridiculous amount of carries. I think he has more talent than Ahman Green and could hit the 15 td mark easily.
I'm sure this can only be the result of Favre being washed up.And if L.J. goes to the Packers and goes for 1,800 and 18TDs?
cstu
Footballguy
This is all about Favre's last shot at a SB. GB will be rebuilding when Favre leaves anyway so why not go for it? If this trade happens then GB is the odds-on favorite to win the division and with Favre and LJ the Packers would have a good chance in the playoffs.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Why so negative/aggressive?Your original post is nothing but fan speak (unless, ofc ourse, you are a member of the KC coaching staff, or front office perhaps?)
- why throwing stones in a glass house?
lord_helmet
Footballguy
LJ has started 28 games and is built like a truck. He has shown NO signs of wearing down late in the year and still has plenty of thread left on those tires, but still lots of people here will bend over backwards to point out how much of a risk he is because of his high number of carries (season not total which I just don't understand)
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Sorry, I just like to respond to wild speculation with wild speculation.I'm sure this can only be the result of Favre being washed up.And if L.J. goes to the Packers and goes for 1,800 and 18TDs?
Ghoti
Footballguy
Even PFT thinks this deal is bullstuff. Nothing to see here, move along.Is it Saturday yet???
Your right, Sorry I could have posted with less negativity. I dont think I was insulting to the degree you have to accuse me of being part of the KC coaching staff
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cstu
Footballguy
I think it's a combination of that and LJ having a cheap contract this year. Both Edge and SA were going to have big contracts wherever they went.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yes, but it would still cost a fair amount. Year 1 would be the average of the 5 highest paid RBs. Year 2 would be the average of the 5 highest paid RBs OR a 20% salary increase whichever was greater. If that happened THIS year, he'd be due $7 million year one and at least $8.4 million in year two. Since it would not happen for another year, both those numbers should go up. Given that LJ is only due $1.85 million this year, it would still be a pretty big raise. And Johnson could always hold out if he felt snubbed.
cstu
Footballguy
The issue seems to be LJ's contract so is he not willing to play this season on his old contract?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Your right, Sorry I could have posted with less negativity. I dont think I was insulting to the degree you have to accuse me of being part of the KC coaching staff
Ok I am in KC and listening to sports talk radio discussing this very topic. It's unlikely but not impossible per the talking heads. Given the team is unlikely to make a run it may be worth getting value for him.
One theory they are discussing is *if* the Chiefs think Priest is ready to come back then they may be more willing to do this so they can stay competative in the meantime. That said, this is unlikely in the extreme ... unless the Chiefs are just keeping this hush-hush. The question is, if Priest is ready to come back would they shout it or keep it quiet?
One theory they are discussing is *if* the Chiefs think Priest is ready to come back then they may be more willing to do this so they can stay competative in the meantime. That said, this is unlikely in the extreme ... unless the Chiefs are just keeping this hush-hush. The question is, if Priest is ready to come back would they shout it or keep it quiet?
Compared to what the o-line was, it did suck. Losing Roaf was huge. Try watching the games.The strength of the blocking aspect of the o-line was negated by the play calling, and horrible QB play (and no WRs). The offense overall was GARBAGE. It was "Let LJ smash his head against a wall 25 times a game". And "don't score too quick, we want the defense to rest".
Tell us about how LJ is high mileage some more. That was classic. And the "old" LJ is 1 year older then Morcency, who you're selling like the next coming of Jim Brown.
I never said LJ was a great fit, or even a good trade. I said you're talking out of your ###. Which was clearly show by your posts. Tell us about how old and worn down LJ is. That was the best.
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Banger
Footballguy
The 1st alone would get Turner. That's why I didn't think the 1st and 4th for LJ rumor made much sense. Not that LJ isn't a better back but giving up much more in trade value than they were reportedly willing to give for Turner and a contract worth probably twice what Turner would get seemed like too high a price to me. Yes, LJ is an elite back but is he twice the back Turner is?I think all this is moot anyway because I don't see how any team can make such a big deal for a player without talking to the player/agent to see how much money they are looking for. Since KC has not given anyone the right (accdg to these "reports") this "deal" isn't going anywhere.
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Traders2001
Footballguy
Tha BS and 1/2 , guys if you believe this then Santa Claus is alive .
LJ is not for trade.
LJ is not for trade.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Holmes will be 34 during the season and hasn't played in years. He's not even a viable option as a backup.
whats are this posting means?
mozzy84
Footballguy
rotoworld:
Citing discussions with league sources, profootballtalk.com believes the report about a Packers trade offer for Larry Johnson is false.
The offer makes some sense from Green Bay's perspective, but not unless they wanted to give LJ a huge deal. Talking to Johnson at this point would violate tampering rules since Johnson hasn't been given permission to shop himself around. We still think a trade for Johnson is possible this offseason, although not likely.
Citing discussions with league sources, profootballtalk.com believes the report about a Packers trade offer for Larry Johnson is false.
The offer makes some sense from Green Bay's perspective, but not unless they wanted to give LJ a huge deal. Talking to Johnson at this point would violate tampering rules since Johnson hasn't been given permission to shop himself around. We still think a trade for Johnson is possible this offseason, although not likely.
Come on admit it you own him in a league or two, sound like your eating an LJ sandwich. The scheme KC uses was brought to them by Vermeil from the Rams, Marshal Faulk exploded in that offense, Priest Holmes a back up in Baltimore Exploded in that Offense, Larry Johnson is slightly better than run of the mill back same story. When you look at the success of RB, QB, AN WR around the league the type of offense the use will go a long way to dictating the amount of success they will have. If you had any one of a Dozen RB's from around the league they would have faired well last year with KC, so the only talking out of you know where must be the echo of your own voice from LJ's backside.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Right on. Everyone and their mother is predicting Lynch. Which in Ted Thompson land means it ain't happening. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go DB/Safety/TE. Plenty of WR talent in this draft, and I know they've been all over Irons.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Can you elaborate on what you don't like about Thompson? I've heard this from others, but I just don't get it. What I like about him:1. He drafts well2. He doesn't overpay guys3. He completely rebuilt the linebacker corps in two years4. He finds free agents that fit the scheme and doesn't over pay. He doesn't hit on all of them, but Pickett and Woodson were awesome finds last year.5. He hold players accountable, unlike Sherman. If you don't perform, regardless of your draft position, you're gone. Pretty simple. Sherman was loyal to a fault.
midnightxxxx
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2850484
THIS LINK SHOULD DISPELL THIS RUMOR ABOUT JOHNSON ON THE BLOCK.
THIS LINK SHOULD DISPELL THIS RUMOR ABOUT JOHNSON ON THE BLOCK.
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yeah, I heard the same thing on 610 and just to comment on that idiot Rhonda on the show, the only sounds I want coming out of her mouth is her gag reflex.If Priest did happen to be ready to come back they would be smart to keep it quiet so that other teams wouldn't know how little KC cared about keeping LJ. Then again, it's a moot point because knowing KC they'd use them both at RBBC again. If this situation did present itself, I'd rather see an LJ trade and see RBBC in KC without LJ. Use the picks on a more important need.
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midnightxxxx
Footballguy
Chiefs officials say Johnson trade talk rumors untrueAssociated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs quickly dispelled rumors they are shopping Pro Bowl running back Larry Johnson before this weekend's NFL draft.
Team spokesman Bob Moore said Thursday the Chiefs have not offered Johnson to anybody and that no team has been given permission to speak with him.
Larry Johnson
Running Back
Kansas City Chiefs
Profile
2006 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
416 1789 17 41 410 2
"Anybody who is reporting it's true is simply not telling the truth," Moore said.
Johnson, 27, has been participating in the Chiefs' offseason program, but is entering the final year of his contract. He has made it clear he wants a deal worth more than the eight-year, $60 million contract San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson signed two years ago.
Rumors that Kansas City wants to trade the brooding back, who carried the ball an NFL-record 416 times last season, surfaced as the team scrambles to acquire draft picks. The Kansas City Star, without citing a source, reported Thursday that the team had offered Johnson up for trade.
Johnson's agent, Alvin Keels, said Thursday he preferred not to comment.
Kansas City unloaded return specialist Dante Hall to the St. Louis Rams for a fifth-round pick Wednesday, falling in line with coach Herm Edwards' desire for a more youthful roster built via the draft.
"When you have a veteran football team, that's very, very good," Edwards said recently. "But at the end of the day, you have to acquire young players along the way."
The Chiefs invited four running backs -- California's Marshawn Lynch, Ohio State's Antonio Pittman, Florida State's Lorenzo Booker and Louisville's Kolby Smith -- for interviews, and have said they are willing to draft a running back in the early rounds.
Trading Johnson would make sense to those who view the Chiefs as undertaking a major rebuilding effort.
Kansas City is poised to start the season with untested second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle and journeyman Damon Huard, who played well last season when Trent Green missed parts of eight games with a concussion.
The offensive line is full of holes, after the retirement of 11-time Pro Bowl tackle Willie Roaf last season and 12-time Pro Bowl guard Will Shields earlier this month. The wide receiving corps has little depth behind aging Eddie Kennison, and defensive tackle and defensive back remain areas of concern.
Johnson's value has never been higher, either. After rushing for 1,750 yards and 20 touchdowns in 2005, he gained 1,789 yards and had 17 touchdowns last season. His 2,199 yards from scrimmage accounted for 43 percent of the Chiefs' total offense.
"He's still a guy in his prime," said former Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly, who believes the Chiefs will sign Johnson to a contract extension. "I don't know what they could get to replace him. Certainly a draft choice isn't going to replace him."
Another way the Chiefs could acquire more draft picks is by dealing Green, the two-time Pro Bowl selection who returned from his concussion midway through last season but never played at the same level.
The Miami Dolphins have reached a tentative agreement with Green, who will be 37 when training camp opens. But the teams have not agreed on compensation, and it is becoming increasingly unlikely a trade will be done by the start of the draft.
The Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick and a late-round pick for Green.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs quickly dispelled rumors they are shopping Pro Bowl running back Larry Johnson before this weekend's NFL draft.
Team spokesman Bob Moore said Thursday the Chiefs have not offered Johnson to anybody and that no team has been given permission to speak with him.
Larry Johnson
Running Back
Kansas City Chiefs
Profile
2006 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
416 1789 17 41 410 2
"Anybody who is reporting it's true is simply not telling the truth," Moore said.
Johnson, 27, has been participating in the Chiefs' offseason program, but is entering the final year of his contract. He has made it clear he wants a deal worth more than the eight-year, $60 million contract San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson signed two years ago.
Rumors that Kansas City wants to trade the brooding back, who carried the ball an NFL-record 416 times last season, surfaced as the team scrambles to acquire draft picks. The Kansas City Star, without citing a source, reported Thursday that the team had offered Johnson up for trade.
Johnson's agent, Alvin Keels, said Thursday he preferred not to comment.
Kansas City unloaded return specialist Dante Hall to the St. Louis Rams for a fifth-round pick Wednesday, falling in line with coach Herm Edwards' desire for a more youthful roster built via the draft.
"When you have a veteran football team, that's very, very good," Edwards said recently. "But at the end of the day, you have to acquire young players along the way."
The Chiefs invited four running backs -- California's Marshawn Lynch, Ohio State's Antonio Pittman, Florida State's Lorenzo Booker and Louisville's Kolby Smith -- for interviews, and have said they are willing to draft a running back in the early rounds.
Trading Johnson would make sense to those who view the Chiefs as undertaking a major rebuilding effort.
Kansas City is poised to start the season with untested second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle and journeyman Damon Huard, who played well last season when Trent Green missed parts of eight games with a concussion.
The offensive line is full of holes, after the retirement of 11-time Pro Bowl tackle Willie Roaf last season and 12-time Pro Bowl guard Will Shields earlier this month. The wide receiving corps has little depth behind aging Eddie Kennison, and defensive tackle and defensive back remain areas of concern.
Johnson's value has never been higher, either. After rushing for 1,750 yards and 20 touchdowns in 2005, he gained 1,789 yards and had 17 touchdowns last season. His 2,199 yards from scrimmage accounted for 43 percent of the Chiefs' total offense.
"He's still a guy in his prime," said former Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly, who believes the Chiefs will sign Johnson to a contract extension. "I don't know what they could get to replace him. Certainly a draft choice isn't going to replace him."
Another way the Chiefs could acquire more draft picks is by dealing Green, the two-time Pro Bowl selection who returned from his concussion midway through last season but never played at the same level.
The Miami Dolphins have reached a tentative agreement with Green, who will be 37 when training camp opens. But the teams have not agreed on compensation, and it is becoming increasingly unlikely a trade will be done by the start of the draft.
The Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick and a late-round pick for Green.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
Sinrman
Footballguy
If this is true.... wow.... I think he'd do well in GB and would instantly make GB a threat again in that horrible division. Favre might stick around for another 5 years!
But wow... that seems very unlike GB -- give up those kind of picks AND sign a guy to a MONSTER contract (which he will inevitably get)....?
But wow... that seems very unlike GB -- give up those kind of picks AND sign a guy to a MONSTER contract (which he will inevitably get)....?
nygiants56
Footballguy
yes,but who've they had at RB?!Larry,Moe,Curly...seriously tho, LJ is an upgrade over an injured Ahman Green, Morency, et al.that O-line,combined with Favre + Moss, could mean another 1750+ yard season for LJ..who would you stop on defense, load the line and try to stop him, or sit back and try to stop Favre-to-Moss?!favre does seem to throw more inside the redzone than any other QB in the NFL, so thats probably a reason why the low TD totals...definitely something to worry about..but,considering the state of the O-line in KC , the flux at QB, and Herm, as an LJ owner I'd like to see him traded!
