JB,What in your estimation are the chances we ever see Henry in a Bengals uni again?
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Pacman gets 16 games - Henry 8 games (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Nice move Goodell.
Finally, a commisioner who is not
afraid to put the hammer down.
Nice bump for TJ Houshmandzadeh,
who no longer has to look over his shoulder.
Finally, a commisioner who is not
afraid to put the hammer down.
Nice bump for TJ Houshmandzadeh,
who no longer has to look over his shoulder.
Isn't it possible that Henry actually drew coverage away from TJ, and this actually might hurt him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Its obvious someone has Housh on their roster.
Multiple citations for driving on a suspended license may not be the same as armed assault, but it speaks volumes about his (lack of) character, and his maturity. Why would a MILLIONARE still be driving himself around on a suspended license? Like he couldn't afford a chauffer?The violations may be minor in and of themselves, but they speak VOLUMES about him.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I wouldn't put anything of value down on it.You're talking about a guy that's been pulled over multiple times intoxicated or in a car with a driver who was or with a suspended license. A guy that waves a loaded weapon at a police officer in his own replica Bengal jersey. A guy who's been suspended by the league and team multiple times and still shows no inkling of a mature brain wave.If I were in the Bengal front office, I'd have a clear backup plan in place. If Henry farts in the wrong direction just once in the next 6 months, he never puts on a uniform again. And he'll be at huge risk of a permaban for the rest of his career under the new conduct policy.
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
this may be true but these suspensions aren't/shouldn't be about character. should be for violation of league rules right?
Warpig
Footballguy
I was just about to say something about when we'll see Sharpton and Jackson's ugly muggs protesting the NFL's new commissioner and calling him a racist and calling for him to be fired.I'm sure it will happen.
BringItOn
Footballguy
Yeah, he will likely get something as well. Mort was just on ESPN 1000 and he is speculating that Tank won't be suiting up this year. Tank is currently in the Big House on that weapons charge, and the league is working out where to have a hearing for him...He called it correct on PacMan
"Conduct detrimental to the NFL" could easily be read as "Persons of poor character".And for those vocal few who say the NFL should stay out of personal lives....If I were very publicly arrested several times, and connected to my company via the media, I would expect to be fired. Anyone would.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
Wrong it's about the way peoples actions effect how people view the league. This is a business and these people are employees of the NFL and they are ambassadors of the game.If a guy gets pulled with a suspended licence who is not on probation it's not a big deal. This was a violation of his probation.So he could end up in Jail over driving on a suspended licence!
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I have a feeling the NFLPA will let these go. The membership has indicated it's not happy about the incidents either - I think they'll stick.
Henry will be a Bengal after game 8. Simply looking at the terms of the agreement shows that. He can play in preseason games. Once the season he starts, he can't practice but it looks like film study is still allowed.
We'll get to see what we have in Perry - this is a huge opportunity for him. If he falters, I think that Chatman is a capable #3 WR. In the case of McNeal, I can only hope this opens his eyes
A pass-catching tight-end will be a change for what they do on offense and I think they are loathe to do that, I really do. If they get an extra 2nd rounder (or get a 3rd) it'll be a consideration. They'll probably draft another raw Tab Perry type late in the draft. They have a good track record with late-round receivers (see Houshmandzadeh, T.J.)
I certainly hope we don't get to see the Steeler secondary until after week 9.
The without pay part is probably the most significant thing. $10k here or there doesn't really send a message. Losing hundreds of thousands or millions should have more impact. If PacMan chooses to make it rain again it'll be more like a drizzle.
As long as the policy is consistently applied, I have no problem with it. It would've been nice to see a provision where Henry gets appointed a driver, but oh well.
Who Dey!
-QG
Henry will be a Bengal after game 8. Simply looking at the terms of the agreement shows that. He can play in preseason games. Once the season he starts, he can't practice but it looks like film study is still allowed.
We'll get to see what we have in Perry - this is a huge opportunity for him. If he falters, I think that Chatman is a capable #3 WR. In the case of McNeal, I can only hope this opens his eyes
A pass-catching tight-end will be a change for what they do on offense and I think they are loathe to do that, I really do. If they get an extra 2nd rounder (or get a 3rd) it'll be a consideration. They'll probably draft another raw Tab Perry type late in the draft. They have a good track record with late-round receivers (see Houshmandzadeh, T.J.)
I certainly hope we don't get to see the Steeler secondary until after week 9.
The without pay part is probably the most significant thing. $10k here or there doesn't really send a message. Losing hundreds of thousands or millions should have more impact. If PacMan chooses to make it rain again it'll be more like a drizzle.
As long as the policy is consistently applied, I have no problem with it. It would've been nice to see a provision where Henry gets appointed a driver, but oh well.
Who Dey!
-QG
The new CBA went into effect on March 8, 2006.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
By your definition TO should be next right? Or R. moss? or dare i say T. Brady?
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm not sure why some people think that the suspensions may be bumped down. Gene Upshaw and the player reps have all basically been saying that something serious needed to be done about player misconduct.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Has Pacman been tried and convicted for any of the things he has done?
You only find out about a person's character when it manifests itself in that person's actions.
Here's how this will work.
Commissioner Goodell has written a letter to Pacman and Henry notifying them of their suspension.
The players (or the NFLPA on their behalf) may appeal their suspensions to the Commissioner within 20 days.
If the players appeal, a hearing will be held within 10 days after that. The hearing is not an impartial arbitration, however. The person who presides over the hearing is designated by the Commissioner, and it is the Commissioner himself who makes the final, binding ruling after the hearing. (Based on the hearing, the Commissioner has discretion to reduce the suspension, but not increase it.)
Commissioner Goodell has written a letter to Pacman and Henry notifying them of their suspension.
The players (or the NFLPA on their behalf) may appeal their suspensions to the Commissioner within 20 days.
If the players appeal, a hearing will be held within 10 days after that. The hearing is not an impartial arbitration, however. The person who presides over the hearing is designated by the Commissioner, and it is the Commissioner himself who makes the final, binding ruling after the hearing. (Based on the hearing, the Commissioner has discretion to reduce the suspension, but not increase it.)
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There is no way Pacman plays a NFL game ever again.
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In a letter to each player, Commissioner Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."
Jones will be strictly monitored by the Titans and the NFL during the suspension as part of his opportunity to earn reinstatement through adherence to a set of conditions. His status will be reviewed after the Titans' 10th regular-season game to determine the extent to which he has complied with the conditions and whether the suspension should be affected by the disposition of any pending or prospective charges.
The specific conditions that apply to Jones' suspension include the following:
He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement. i He must fully cooperate with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned under league or court-ordered programs.
He must adhere to the restrictions on his activities that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.
He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or organized workouts during the term of the suspension. Beginning June 1, he must visit the team facility once each week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other similar activities.
In conjunction with the team's player development director and other professionals working with him, Jones must develop with the Titans a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the league office for review and approval.
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In a letter to each player, Commissioner Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."
Jones will be strictly monitored by the Titans and the NFL during the suspension as part of his opportunity to earn reinstatement through adherence to a set of conditions. His status will be reviewed after the Titans' 10th regular-season game to determine the extent to which he has complied with the conditions and whether the suspension should be affected by the disposition of any pending or prospective charges.
The specific conditions that apply to Jones' suspension include the following:
He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement. i He must fully cooperate with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned under league or court-ordered programs.
He must adhere to the restrictions on his activities that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.
He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or organized workouts during the term of the suspension. Beginning June 1, he must visit the team facility once each week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other similar activities.
In conjunction with the team's player development director and other professionals working with him, Jones must develop with the Titans a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the league office for review and approval.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
bengals.com article on suspension
“We support the Commissioner’s ruling,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis in a press release, “and while we regret the circumstances that called for it, it’s good for both Chris and the Bengals to have the matter resolved. Our team will move forward, and now it is up to Chris to acquire a more mature understanding of his responsibilities as a player for the Bengals and a representative of the NFL.”
Article snipped down.
Link goes to whole huge article.
-QG
“We support the Commissioner’s ruling,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis in a press release, “and while we regret the circumstances that called for it, it’s good for both Chris and the Bengals to have the matter resolved. Our team will move forward, and now it is up to Chris to acquire a more mature understanding of his responsibilities as a player for the Bengals and a representative of the NFL.”
Article snipped down.
Link goes to whole huge article.
-QG
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Adam "Pacman" Jones of Tennessee was suspended Tuesday for the 2007 NFL season and Chris Henry of Cincinnati received an eight-game suspension -- both for numerous violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.
The two players are suspended without pay, the NFL announced. Jones will lose $1,292,500 -- his 2007 base salary -- as a result of the suspension. Henry will lose $204,705.88 in salary if the Bengals' bye week comes after Week 8. He will lose $230,294.12 if the Bengals' bye week falls in the first eight weeks of the season, meaning he will miss nine weeks of pay.
After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.
"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."
In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."
Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place in Las Vegas during the NBA All-Star weekend. Las Vegas police have recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club that paralyzed one man.
Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.
Both the Titans and the Bengals said they supported the suspensions.
"While we regret the circumstances that called for it, it's good for both Chris and the Bengals to have the matter resolved," said Bengals coach Marvin Lewis. "Our team will move forward, and now it is up to Chris to acquire a more mature understanding of his responsibilities as a player for the Bengals and a representative of the NFL."
The Titans released the following statement:
"We appreciate the Commissioner's thoughtful decision today and the discipline plan imposed on Adam Jones," the Titans said. "We respect this decision and are confident this is in the best interest of the league and the team. We are hopeful that it will achieve the goals of disciplining the player and eventually enabling him to return to the field of play. Our goals for Jones are consistent with the league's in that regard."
Jones' suspension carries the following conditions:
• He must have no more run-ins with law enforcement.
• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.
• He must obey the restrictions that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.
• He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or workouts during his suspension. Starting June 1, he must visit the team facility once per week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other activities.
• In conjunction with the Titans, Jones must develop a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the NFL for approval.
Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets the following conditions:
• He must have no more run-ins with law enforcement.
• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.
• He is allowed to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.
• If he fully complies with all conditions, he may participate in the training camp and Bengals preseason games.
• During the 2007 season, he must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.
• He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.
If Jones and Henry do not fully comply with these conditions, they could be permanently banished from the NFL.
"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote to the players. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015
The two players are suspended without pay, the NFL announced. Jones will lose $1,292,500 -- his 2007 base salary -- as a result of the suspension. Henry will lose $204,705.88 in salary if the Bengals' bye week comes after Week 8. He will lose $230,294.12 if the Bengals' bye week falls in the first eight weeks of the season, meaning he will miss nine weeks of pay.
After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.
"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."
In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."
Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place in Las Vegas during the NBA All-Star weekend. Las Vegas police have recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club that paralyzed one man.
Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.
Both the Titans and the Bengals said they supported the suspensions.
"While we regret the circumstances that called for it, it's good for both Chris and the Bengals to have the matter resolved," said Bengals coach Marvin Lewis. "Our team will move forward, and now it is up to Chris to acquire a more mature understanding of his responsibilities as a player for the Bengals and a representative of the NFL."
The Titans released the following statement:
"We appreciate the Commissioner's thoughtful decision today and the discipline plan imposed on Adam Jones," the Titans said. "We respect this decision and are confident this is in the best interest of the league and the team. We are hopeful that it will achieve the goals of disciplining the player and eventually enabling him to return to the field of play. Our goals for Jones are consistent with the league's in that regard."
Jones' suspension carries the following conditions:
• He must have no more run-ins with law enforcement.
• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.
• He must obey the restrictions that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.
• He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or workouts during his suspension. Starting June 1, he must visit the team facility once per week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other activities.
• In conjunction with the Titans, Jones must develop a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the NFL for approval.
Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets the following conditions:
• He must have no more run-ins with law enforcement.
• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.
• He is allowed to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.
• If he fully complies with all conditions, he may participate in the training camp and Bengals preseason games.
• During the 2007 season, he must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.
• He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.
If Jones and Henry do not fully comply with these conditions, they could be permanently banished from the NFL.
"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote to the players. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015
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Hardly. Say Brady got a DUI. A guy with a positive attitude, never been a problem, generally provided positive press and public perception of the NFL. Even if TO did this...TO might be a headache, but he's not been known as a general nuisance to society at large. Their punishments would (and should) be relatively light compared to a guy who has CONSISTANTLY been an embarressment to the NFL, and a nuisance to society.As I wrote character, the aspect of character I was referring to is the player's ability to function in normal society, instead of being the troublemaker outside the (usually) friendly confines of the NFL.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
and a dog who swim in the water loses the bone thats in his mouth. WTF does that mean? I personally know guys that where way worst than these to guys could ever be at that age and they turned out to be pretty high character guys. Just saying? Dont get em wrong I agree that this guys should be suspended but I also believe in right and wrong. And even in punishment the right thing should be done.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Slinger
Footballguy
No, he made it rain and the NFL rained back.
He has been arrested 10 times since he entered the NFL.From Pacman's Wikipedia page:
And that's leaving out the latest incident. Probation is mentioned twice. Either he was convicted or copped a plea to at least twice.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Is the :woosh: smiley gone? I can't find it.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
No surprise that CJ isn't onboard with the commish's decision. He may not have the off the field problems, but he's a bad apple too. A very funny, very entertaining apple, but a bad one none the less.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
not fishing read the rest of the post. He said due to character, guys can be suspended basically. Alot of things go into to character.
I think the NFLPA will almost certainly appeal, but there's not a lot they can do.When a club disciplines a player, the NFLPA can appeal and have the matter heard and ruled on by an impartial arbitrator (like in TO's case).But when the Commissioner disciplines a player, there is no impartial arbitrator. It is the Commissioner himself who considers the appeal and makes a final decision. An appeal has a much worse chance of succeeding in this situation, I would think.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Before I sorta jump down your throat, I'm wondering if you could define "bad apple" in how you are using it here. TIA.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Like what? Pre-marital sex? Slipping one past the goalie? This isn't 1952.Putting Brady in the same sentence with Randy Moss and Terrell Owens is laughable.not fishing read the rest of the post. He said due to character, guys can be suspended basically. Alot of things go into to character.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Samething I was thinking.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Oh so you'll defend Chad Johnson but lump in Tom Brady with guys 10x worse than Chad Johnson? Got it.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I was wondering this myself. There's a lot more recourse for a TEAM suspension Vs. a commissioner suspension. Obviously him setting a stiff penalty like this and then reducing it is extremely unlikely - he knows what he's doing.Both of these guys will serve the entire suspension, that's my bet.
KoolKat
Footballguy
You really think Henry is a millionaire? He was a 3rd round pick, and I doubt he's very fiscally responsible. I think he was only slated to make like 450K in base salary this year. Not saying the guy isn't a moron, but I hate when people state fiction like it is fact.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Chad Johnson isn't expecting a babies at the same time from 2 different women. And why are you defending Brady isn't that like against the law for you.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I do own him in 1 of my 4 leagues,but I always thought Henry was stealing playing time from TJ.Its obvious someone has Housh on their roster.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Stats for Housh in the 3 weeks (1 by the team, 2 by the league) Henry was suspended last year:Oct 1 vs NE: 4-95-0Oct 8: BYEOct 15 at TB: 10-102-1Oct 22 vs Car: 7-61-1Avg: 7 catches for 86 yds and 0.67 TDs (and for those who like to extrapolate to 16 games, that's 112 catches, 1376 yards, and 11 TDs).The other 11 games for Housh when Henry did play:69-823-7 (or 6.3 rec, 74.8 yds, 0.64 TDs per game).
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I applaud the bold action by Goodell, but it does invite the inevitable "where do we draw the line?" Given the crime statistics among NFL players, if he's going to unilaterally enforce multi-game suspensions, it could have significant ramifications on many teams.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
No, he's not. Stop reading the gossip columns. He's expecting one baby and it was with a girl that he dated seriously for years. Getting a girl accidentally preggers is not a "character" issue - it's an accident that can happen to anyone. Not like it was his sister-in-law or something.Chad Johnson isn't expecting a babies at the same time from 2 different women. And why are you defending Brady isn't that like against the law for you.
KoolKat
Footballguy
Don't forget eating meat on a Friday.Like what? Pre-marital sex? Slipping one past the goalie? This isn't 1952.Putting Brady in the same sentence with Randy Moss and Terrell Owens is laughable.not fishing read the rest of the post. He said due to character, guys can be suspended basically. Alot of things go into to character.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
This is the only point I wanted to make.
Nobody can be suspended for "character."
They can be suspended for "conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football."
They can be suspended for "conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football."
And a driver costs, what...100 a night for a LIMO? I could get anybody to drive me around in my car for a third of that. And on a 450K salary, that would hardly stretch the wallet. Compared to the average Joe, he might as well be a millionare.
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