The comparisson is posters like you. They bashed TO and Dallas just like you are bashing Pacman and Dallas now. And after all the trash talk, how has TO turned out? Simple comparrisonn actually. The difference here as compared with TO (yes I'll say it again), Dallas has zero risk. Please put down your hate for Pacman for one second and admit that Dallas made a GGGRREAT deal here.
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Pacman headed to dallas.... (1 Viewer)
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YES!! Yes. Yes, Yes, shhhhut dowwn corrner!!
delusional
Footballguy
Its no deal until the guy is ALLOWED to play in the NFL again. Plain and simple
You are delusi......uh nevermind. Zero risk with possible huge reward = great deal. Just admit it.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
They simply are too stubborn and blind to see the light, Mustang Man. They're too busy with the intent on beating up the Cowboys, just like they did with T.O.We both know how that has worked out thus far, don't we?He'll be reinstated before training camp, then they'll want to create some other kind of ridiculous thread to whine in and try to pick apart "America's Team".That's fine. Won't change the Super Bowl run.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
why stop there
seems obvious that the cowboys will win all of the super bowls forever
seems obvious that the cowboys will win all of the super bowls forever
scott72
Footballguy
I think the point some people are trying to make here is that guys like Pacman shouldn't keep getting opportunites to play in the NFL, much less a storied franchise like Dallas after all the trouble with the law. Where is the motivation for guys like this to stop breaking laws? He gets to keep getting into trouble and play professional football. Wow the best of both worlds for him.. 
When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.
When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.Mustang Man
Footballguy
If Pacman gets in trouble when he is a Cowboy that does not tarnish the Cowboys. That is on him. Dallas is giving him his last shot. The line has been drawn in the sand and that is that. NFL football is not about how nice of a guy that these players are if that was the case there would be way more then just Pacman to be complaining about. This guy is not a role model he is a football player and that is that. If you do not like who he is that is fine but guess what that does not mean he should not get one last chance. The commish will do the right thing and what is right for the league and if that means it is not what you think is right well guess what that does not mean that it is wrong. I hear what you are saying but guess what winning is important and it is why we play the game. If you want a nice guy league go watch a church league. This is real life and not everything is peaches and cream.I think the point some people are trying to make here is that guys like Pacman shouldn't keep getting opportunites to play in the NFL, much less a storied franchise like Dallas after all the trouble with the law. Where is the motivation for guys like this to stop breaking laws? He gets to keep getting into trouble and play professional football. Wow the best of both worlds for him..When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Oh, so nothing bad that he does reflects on the team who pays him. Only good things he does. Cool.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
No what I am saying is he is an adult and if he can't control himself when he is off the field AWAY from the Cowboys in his own PRIVATE life. THAT DOES NOT REFLECT ON THE COWBOYS ORGANIZATION. THAT REFLECTS ON ADAM JONES AS A HUMAN BEING. If he messes up, the Cowboys and the NFL are going to say see ya later no matter how great he may be. PERIOD.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
But if he doesn't screw up then the Cowboys are brilliant and awesome and ka-loo ka-lay, I know.
horadadude
Footballguy
I think the Super Bowl champ Giants would take the favorite title - no offense...or in the Cowboys case no QBAnd yet they're the NFC favorite to play in the SuperBowl.
horadadude
Footballguy
Sure, lets talk about all of the missing Cowboy pieces that have been in place during the 12 year playoff drought...players like TO, 3 years ago have yet to yield a playoff victory, players like Tank Johnson (high character guy) have yet to yield a playoff victory, Tony Romo "the best QB in the NFC" (in the regular season, a disaster in the playoffs), and now Pacman - Cowboys are once again a dynasty....
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Yeah Andy I just do not see why there is so much venom. I understand what they are saying as far as him acting like a fool in the past but to just say it is a bad deal because they do not like what he has done is foolish. It was a very smart business move and if the gamble works out it is huge. What I think people forget is this is not just a game this is a business and business is about making money. This move will make the Cowboys a whole lot better if he gets his act together. If he turns his life around it will not only be good for the Cowboys it will also show people not to give up on people because it is the easier thing to do. I do not like Adam Jones right now but if he shows up to play and gets his act together that will change. If he does not well that shows me he has a long way to go and I hope for his sake he one day gets it. The Cowboys will move on and be fine.An example of a super nice guy is Roy Williams but the Cowboys would love to just dump him because he is not performing well and can't cover Drew Bledsoe. So I guess the Cowboys are a terrible team to just want to dump such a nice guy like Roy right? It is about performance on the field not if you are good or bad. There is a line just in different places for everyone.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
This adds an interesting twist to things:
Jimmy Shapiro, a sports publicist, offered these odds on Pacman Jones courtesy of BodogLife.com
Will Adam "Pacman" Jones be reinstated by Commissioner Goodell and be eligible to play during Week 1 of the 2008 NFL Season?
Yes -190
No +140
How many interceptions will Adam "Pacman" Jones have during the 2008 NFL Season? (must play in 1st game to be valid)
Over 3.5
Under 3.5
How many Special Teams touchdowns will Adam "Pacman" Jones have during the 2008 NFL Season? (must play in 1st game to be valid)
Over 2.5 +110
Under 2.5 -150
What will Adam "Pacman" Jones' base salary be for the 2008 NFL Season?
Over 1 Million Dollars +140
Under 1 Million Dollars -200
The odds say it all.
Jimmy Shapiro, a sports publicist, offered these odds on Pacman Jones courtesy of BodogLife.com
Will Adam "Pacman" Jones be reinstated by Commissioner Goodell and be eligible to play during Week 1 of the 2008 NFL Season?
Yes -190
No +140
How many interceptions will Adam "Pacman" Jones have during the 2008 NFL Season? (must play in 1st game to be valid)
Over 3.5
Under 3.5
How many Special Teams touchdowns will Adam "Pacman" Jones have during the 2008 NFL Season? (must play in 1st game to be valid)
Over 2.5 +110
Under 2.5 -150
What will Adam "Pacman" Jones' base salary be for the 2008 NFL Season?
Over 1 Million Dollars +140
Under 1 Million Dollars -200
The odds say it all.
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
Dude I get it your Giants won the Super Bowl last year Congrats. Fact of the matter is it could have easily been Dallas or Green Bay that did the same thing your Giants did. It's not like they blew anyone away in the great playoff run. Every game came down to the last minute. Dallas is every bit as good as the Giants, won 2 of 3 last year. After the draft they will be even better. Not sure why there is so much bashing going on. I love the Tony Romo is terrible thing. I guess now because Eli won a super bowl he is the greatest. So is Trent Dilfer better then Romo to. That is pretty much how I think of Eli cause lets face it. The defense is what won the Super Bowl for the Giants, not Eli. He just managed the games just like the great Trent Dilfer. If Romo was on the Giants they would be a better team and Dallas would be worse it is the simple. TO would probably lose his mind. LOL Now please stop with the childish bashing I have respect for the Giants and what they did for a 4 game stretch last season. Don't make it seem that they are so much better going into this year then Dallas cause you know it is not true.
cowboyz
Footballguy
more details about the deal sounds like it covers the cowboys pretty well. only way the deal goes bad is if pacman plays bad
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=8...8921299C048A4AB
The Cowboys have added a year, and removed some of the guarantees of the deal, replacing them with more incentive-based clauses.
As for the trade compensation, the Cowboys will still give the Titans a fourth-round pick in this weekend's draft, which is the 126th overall pick.
If Jones, who has been arrested six times and has been questioned by the police in at least 10 other incidents since being drafted in 2005, stays out of trouble and is eligible to play all of the games in 2008, the Cowboys will then give an additional sixth-round pick to Tennessee in 2009.
If Jones is not reinstated before the season, the Cowboys would get the Titans' fourth-round pick in 2009. If the cornerback has an incident that forces him to miss games next season, the Cowboys would get Tennessee's fifth-round pick, and the conditional sixth-round pick that would go back to the Titans would be negated.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=8...8921299C048A4AB
The Cowboys have added a year, and removed some of the guarantees of the deal, replacing them with more incentive-based clauses.
As for the trade compensation, the Cowboys will still give the Titans a fourth-round pick in this weekend's draft, which is the 126th overall pick.
If Jones, who has been arrested six times and has been questioned by the police in at least 10 other incidents since being drafted in 2005, stays out of trouble and is eligible to play all of the games in 2008, the Cowboys will then give an additional sixth-round pick to Tennessee in 2009.
If Jones is not reinstated before the season, the Cowboys would get the Titans' fourth-round pick in 2009. If the cornerback has an incident that forces him to miss games next season, the Cowboys would get Tennessee's fifth-round pick, and the conditional sixth-round pick that would go back to the Titans would be negated.
simmonjm
Footballguy
The Cowboys have arguably the best player personel program in the NFL. They are able to take in troubled players and rehabilitate them. First TO then Tank now PacMan. Its funny because everytime Dallas signs these guys, Packers, Eagles, Giants, and Skins fan fill the board with statements like "he will be suspended before the season is over" but yet the players produce without any trouble. I see no reason for this trend to stop. PacMan will be fine and he will play for the Boys in 2008 and beyond. I dont think most of you realize that he gave up 7 million in guaranteed money and signed a new contract with no guaranteed money. If he screws up in Dallas he knows his career and financial stability is over. Jerry Jones absolutely fleeced the Titans and is early favorite for GM of the year.
If you told me that bringing Pacman to the Panthers would guarantee a Super Bowl, I'd take a pass. While it's never totally avoidable, I want to root for as few thugs as possible and have my son see some positive role models in case he decides to pursue a career in professional sports. When you get to the point that you're happy your team has lowered itself by bringing in whatever trash is available, it's time to look in the mirror and get a reality check.
It's funny that the first image I used to get when someone said Cowboys was Roger Stallbach. Now it's going to be a shower of 100 dollar bills.
It's funny that the first image I used to get when someone said Cowboys was Roger Stallbach. Now it's going to be a shower of 100 dollar bills.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Actually im happy whenever the Cowboys sign someone with a checkered past because of the faith I have in their player personal program. Jerry Jones spends alot of money and makes it a high priority to make sure these resources are readily available to his players. Maybe it is naive but I think that the Dallas player program can help Pacman become a better person. Also for Pacman his biggest offense was spitting in the face of girls, possesion of marijuana, and slapping a couple of strippers, which pales in comparison to the offenses of many other NFL players.
Is this the same player personal program that produced such high character guys as Michael Irving?
I think his point is the Giants played well when it mattered. The Cowboys not so much.....
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im bashing PacMan for more than just the problems he causes in the locker room. They are quite different.Zero risk? I disagree. If PacMan is a total distraction to that team already with some big egos on it and a lame duck coach who is not exactly known to be in total control is not zero risk.They got a good deal if he pans out. If not...its pretty much a wash and meh and they could have screwed up the insides of that organization.My hate for PacMan? Not really. I don't hate the guy personally. TO was bashed for his attitude and what he did to make distractions with his ego. Lets not say its all been roses with the guy. Or did he not possibly try to off himself. I know...it was an accidental overdose right.
sho nuff
Footballguy
How has TO worked out?How many playoff games have the boys won with TO?
sho nuff
Footballguy
It does reflect on the cowboys as they went out to get him.If Pacman gets in trouble when he is a Cowboy that does not tarnish the Cowboys. That is on him. Dallas is giving him his last shot. The line has been drawn in the sand and that is that. NFL football is not about how nice of a guy that these players are if that was the case there would be way more then just Pacman to be complaining about. This guy is not a role model he is a football player and that is that. If you do not like who he is that is fine but guess what that does not mean he should not get one last chance. The commish will do the right thing and what is right for the league and if that means it is not what you think is right well guess what that does not mean that it is wrong. I hear what you are saying but guess what winning is important and it is why we play the game. If you want a nice guy league go watch a church league. This is real life and not everything is peaches and cream.I think the point some people are trying to make here is that guys like Pacman shouldn't keep getting opportunites to play in the NFL, much less a storied franchise like Dallas after all the trouble with the law. Where is the motivation for guys like this to stop breaking laws? He gets to keep getting into trouble and play professional football. Wow the best of both worlds for him..When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.
cowboysin07
Footballguy
Dallas Morning News reporting the deal is done.....per sportscenter.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It is what it is.......Dallas is a team on the edge looking to improve in an area they are weaker in. What it reflects is that Dallas is willing to take a 4th round chance on getting a guy who's got talent but has some character issues. You win some and lose some, Jones is a go getter and willing to roll the dice. I think this particular gamble is worth it.If Pacman Jones becomes a Cowboy and he gets into trouble, I'll still say it was worth the gamble. The risk reward is worth it in this situation, whether it works out only time will tell.It does reflect on the cowboys as they went out to get him.If Pacman gets in trouble when he is a Cowboy that does not tarnish the Cowboys. That is on him. Dallas is giving him his last shot. The line has been drawn in the sand and that is that. NFL football is not about how nice of a guy that these players are if that was the case there would be way more then just Pacman to be complaining about. This guy is not a role model he is a football player and that is that. If you do not like who he is that is fine but guess what that does not mean he should not get one last chance. The commish will do the right thing and what is right for the league and if that means it is not what you think is right well guess what that does not mean that it is wrong. I hear what you are saying but guess what winning is important and it is why we play the game. If you want a nice guy league go watch a church league. This is real life and not everything is peaches and cream.I think the point some people are trying to make here is that guys like Pacman shouldn't keep getting opportunites to play in the NFL, much less a storied franchise like Dallas after all the trouble with the law. Where is the motivation for guys like this to stop breaking laws? He gets to keep getting into trouble and play professional football. Wow the best of both worlds for him..When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
No I really think if a players goes out and gets in trouble on his own time that is on him. If he is in uniform or representing the Cowboys off the field in some way then his actions do reflect on the Cowboys. If this guy gets in trouble while part of the Cowboys he is gone. So that will reflect on the Cowboys. I think the kind of stuff that reflects on a franchise is when your HC or assistance cheat by breaking rules (NE) or your players are perceived as cheaters and break on the field rules as the Denver Broncos offensive line are for illegal chop blocks. If your players are cheap shot artists, if your coach put's bounties on player heads and such as Buddy Ryan did when he was coach of the Iggles . This is a football league not a every day life league. Dallas can only control what Pacman does when he is with the team. If he can get past his personal life then he will be fine. I think TO spitting in the face of DeAngelo Hall 2 years ago tarnished the Cowboys more then taking a chance on a player with a bad history of choices off the field.It does reflect on the cowboys as they went out to get him.If Pacman gets in trouble when he is a Cowboy that does not tarnish the Cowboys. That is on him. Dallas is giving him his last shot. The line has been drawn in the sand and that is that. NFL football is not about how nice of a guy that these players are if that was the case there would be way more then just Pacman to be complaining about. This guy is not a role model he is a football player and that is that. If you do not like who he is that is fine but guess what that does not mean he should not get one last chance. The commish will do the right thing and what is right for the league and if that means it is not what you think is right well guess what that does not mean that it is wrong. I hear what you are saying but guess what winning is important and it is why we play the game. If you want a nice guy league go watch a church league. This is real life and not everything is peaches and cream.I think the point some people are trying to make here is that guys like Pacman shouldn't keep getting opportunites to play in the NFL, much less a storied franchise like Dallas after all the trouble with the law. Where is the motivation for guys like this to stop breaking laws? He gets to keep getting into trouble and play professional football. Wow the best of both worlds for him..When does it end? When do NFL owners finally put their feet down and give these guys the Barry Bonds treatment and say we are no longer signing guys that can't show an ounce of maturity in a socialized setting? This is what bothers me about the whole deal. Cowboy fans keep touting the "no risk, high reward" scenario, but I don't get how you can call it no risk? Do any of you care one bit if he gets into trouble while a part of the Dallas organization? Is winning so important now that we're willing to disregard a players character no matter how bad? Would you be willing to let a child molester play for your team if he was the best player in the NFL hands down? When and where do they draw a line in the sand is what I'm saying. I'm convinced some think there should never be a line drawn and that saddens me.
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David Dodds
Administrator
I am not a PacMan loyalist at all here, but I definitely am glad he is given a chance with another team here. Remember all of his screwups have come at a huge price for him too. He has now torn up his Tennessee deal and will get a pay for performance contract (no upfront money). This is likely his last chance as no other teams even stepped up to do this deal.
Change of scenery can be a big difference. The Raiders have built whole teams based on this principle. Pac will be farther away from his "friends", etc. But in the end this is all up to him to get straight.
For those not wanting to see PacMan reinstated, should Michael Vick be given another chance? Should anyone that gets a DUI or DWI be given another chance? Anyone doing any jail time be automatically out of the NFL? (Jamal Lewis, etc). The thing with the NFL is it's a monopoly. People screw up in life all of the time. They even get fired from their jobs. But if you are super talented, the next employer may cut you a break. In the case of the NFL there are only 32 employers total. Pac Man (and Vick and others) are given very short leashes with extra chances. Hopefully the light will turn on for these players so they can realize how lucky they are to have the talent they have.
I am rooting for Pac Man here to turn this situation around. Can he pull it off? Who knows. But I think Pac knows that this is his last chance and even reinstatement isn't a guarantee if he can't address Goodell properly.
As for Dallas, this move is minimal risk with high reward.
Change of scenery can be a big difference. The Raiders have built whole teams based on this principle. Pac will be farther away from his "friends", etc. But in the end this is all up to him to get straight.
For those not wanting to see PacMan reinstated, should Michael Vick be given another chance? Should anyone that gets a DUI or DWI be given another chance? Anyone doing any jail time be automatically out of the NFL? (Jamal Lewis, etc). The thing with the NFL is it's a monopoly. People screw up in life all of the time. They even get fired from their jobs. But if you are super talented, the next employer may cut you a break. In the case of the NFL there are only 32 employers total. Pac Man (and Vick and others) are given very short leashes with extra chances. Hopefully the light will turn on for these players so they can realize how lucky they are to have the talent they have.
I am rooting for Pac Man here to turn this situation around. Can he pull it off? Who knows. But I think Pac knows that this is his last chance and even reinstatement isn't a guarantee if he can't address Goodell properly.
As for Dallas, this move is minimal risk with high reward.
scott72
Footballguy
Right. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Good luck with that. He should sit a year or two out of the NFL to truly see if he's "changed his life around", THEN be given a chance. Not while he's making millions of dollars and playing on a potential Superbowl bound team.
sho nuff
Footballguy
When its some kid that has never had a problem...yes...maybe it does not reflect on the team.When the guy has had mounds and mounds of problems...and you go out to get him on your team. Yes...it will reflect on the team and franchise.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Let's put it this way Dallas was fine before Pacman and while they have Pacman they will be fine, and they will be fine after Pacman leaves whether it is after a great 4-8 year career or after him messing up before he even gets on the field. This is a non issue, the ball is in Pacmans court cause Dallas just drafted a guy(Mike Jenkins
) that will be an upgrade of what they had last season at the #3 CB.(J.Reeves ) Have a good one and man when Pacman does get on the field he will sure be a great #4 cb for us :( Try and spread us out now!!
