PacMan Jones linked to drug dealer (1 Viewer)

[KoolKat]

As a Steelers fan, I do have somewhat of a respect for the Titans. But if they do nothing about this, my respect has gone On the same token, though, I think the NFL has to step in here. This #### will keep on happening if they allow it.

I thought all respect was gone when the whole Steve McNair situation went down.

 

[WampusCat43]

Wow! the dope man is telling him to ease up on the drugs.

He sees his meal ticket literally going up in smoke.

 

[prymetyme25]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

Exactly. And dont forget that most of you support them everyday. You just dont know it.

 

[prymetyme25]

noticed in the transcript that even his boys know when the drug tests are. Is the NFL really only acting like they are trying to test and stop players from using drugs? If this is true, do all players know when the drug tests are?

Dude you would be surprised how many athletes are associated with drug dealers. part of the reason that most of these guys are there is because a drug dealer sponsered them. Not an excuse. but its true. For the record from the first time I heard Pac man speak I knew he was trouble.

How exactly does a drug dealer sponsorship work? Are they providing the scholarships that most of these athletes use to play college ball?

They buy them shoes, clothes, food, cars and protection. You honestly dont think Clarett was crazy enough to ride with a Bulletproof vest and all those guns because he was a knucklehead. And i hope you dont think he was going to kill the lady that testified against him huh?

 

[Pipes]

noticed in the transcript that even his boys know when the drug tests are. Is the NFL really only acting like they are trying to test and stop players from using drugs? If this is true, do all players know when the drug tests are?

Dude you would be surprised how many athletes are associated with drug dealers. part of the reason that most of these guys are there is because a drug dealer sponsered them. Not an excuse. but its true. For the record from the first time I heard Pac man speak I knew he was trouble.

How exactly does a drug dealer sponsorship work? Are they providing the scholarships that most of these athletes use to play college ball?

They buy them shoes, clothes, food, cars and protection. You honestly dont think Clarett was crazy enough to ride with a Bulletproof vest and all those guns because he was a knucklehead. And i hope you dont think he was going to kill the lady that testified against him huh?

That's one guy who didn't make it anywhere in football. Please give me some more "successful" examples of this drug dealer sponsorship. I'm not denying that it doesn't exist...I Just don't think that many players are involved in this.

 

[Al Toon's Mole]

Fact is that too many of these athletes are shuffled through their college years due to their ability on the field, and they ignore their off-field antics.

When it then comes time for this to rear its ugly head, the franchise looks as if they are caught with their pants down, and play the "wow, we never expected this!" card.

Send PacMan to jail and him and Clarett can start up a football team to rival The Longest Yard team.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

As much as a dirt bag as Pac Man is, I offer the following observations:

#1 The link to the drug dealer is not new news. This all went down prior to last season and was in the news. I think the only new info here is the stuff on tape. PacMan using some slang on tape to effectively say "give me another hit on that bong", but there is nothing here that will result in an arrest or discipline under the NFL Substance Abuse program as there is no failed drug test, no visual evidence of drug use or no drug arrest.

#2 Will the whole Vegas fiasco result in PacMan getting arrested and then convicted? This will have to play out. I would think that since the "shooter" is still at large, Pac should be able to cut a deal to effectively turn in the shooter in exchange for not getting charged (and getting his $81K in singles back for future use).

#3 Seems like a lot of Titan fans still love this guy and want him on their team (at least per a perusal of the Titans message board).

So the NFL Office may not have any bullets here with which to dispense disciplinary measures

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

I submit to you that a business that subjects you to significant risk of being murdered or imprisoned cannot be one of the the 'most effective in all of capitalism'.BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

 

[prymetyme25]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

I submit to you that a business that subjects you to significant risk of being murdered or imprisoned cannot be one of the the 'most effective in all of capitalism'.BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

Were you talking about drug dealing or the stock market?

 

[Two Deep]

Titans | A. Jones' family worried about his future

Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:29:24 -0800

ESPN.com reports members of Tennessee Titans CB Adam Jones' family are concerned about his well-being following his involvement in a Las Vegas strip club incident. "He is the only child my son had, and I worry every day about him. I got this age number - if he can just make it to 26, I think he'll be OK," Jones' grandmother, Willie Louise Davis, said in an interview with the Tennessean. Jones' father was shot and killed when Jones was only five years of age. "But his daddy didn't make it past 26. I worry, and I hope and pray that (Pacman) can go beyond that and many, many more years. Me and his mother both talk about that all the time." "Everybody tries to talk to him," added Jones' uncle, Robert Jones. "I do. His mother talks to him, his grandparents talk to him…I don't know, I just think he is out of control. I've told him I think he is out of damn control, but he doesn't want to hear it."

 

[flufhed]

Pacman's publicist speaks.

A couple of thoughts:

(1) the truth is undoubtedly somewhere between this version and that of the strip club owner, but if the publicist's version is more or less correct, Jones may escape consequences for THIS incident.

(2) I am sure profootballtalk will run with this version immediately, seeing as how they strive for fair and balanced reporting when it comes to the Titans ( ) . And if they do run it, there is no way they will present this as a bch of bull, while holding up the owner's version as gospel ( ).

(3) Jones is a knucklehead, and just doesn't get it, but if the publicist story is accurate, I think he should remain a Titan.

(4) Where was this lady when T.O. overdosed. THIS is how a publicist handles her bizness.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

I submit to you that a business that subjects you to significant risk of being murdered or imprisoned cannot be one of the the 'most effective in all of capitalism'.BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

The risk of death or imprisonment is negated by the fact that many drug dealers are in environments where violence and crime is already present. Not all, but many. However, the point I was making is that the positives in favor of selling drugs as a business model are many:1. High profit margins2. Low inventory costs3. Cash business (no lines of credit to collect)4. Addictive traits call for repeat customers (high demand)5. Illegality constricts supply.So, high margins, low inventory costs, no money lost in transactions, high demand and low supply sound like a dynamite business model to me.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

I submit to you that a business that subjects you to significant risk of being murdered or imprisoned cannot be one of the the 'most effective in all of capitalism'.BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

I'd suggest you read "Freakonomics". It demonstrates that the drug trade is somewhat a pyramid, with many low level dealers making little money and at significant risk, and a very few 'big fish' at the top getting rich from the labors of those below.The risk of death or imprisonment is negated by the fact that many drug dealers are in environments where violence and crime is already present. Not all, but many. However, the point I was making is that the positives in favor of selling drugs as a business model are many:1. High profit margins2. Low inventory costs3. Cash business (no lines of credit to collect)4. Addictive traits call for repeat customers (high demand)5. Illegality constricts supply.So, high margins, low inventory costs, no money lost in transactions, high demand and low supply sound like a dynamite business model to me.

I would suggest to you the book "Freakonomics". One of the chapters is very enlightening regarding the drug trade, showing that inner city drug dealing is somewhat a pyramid. Many low- level dealers at the bottom, making little money and at significant risk, and a few, very few, 'big fish' getting rich at the top.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I've read Freakonomics and enjoyed it immensely. I realize that being "entry level" in the drug trade is akin to being "entry level" in most any other trade. My point is that the model is solid, not that it's a great career path.

 

[Klecko HOF]

I think he is just misunderstood. You need to look at his past and understand that he isn't really at fault here. It is society that has caused him to be the way he is. We need to look toward him with compassion. Society has forced him to rely on drugs because of all the stress that he is under.What would any of us do if strippers were trying to steal our money and drug dealers were making up lies about us?

Good shtick

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

Pacman's publicist speaks.

A couple of thoughts:

(1) the truth is undoubtedly somewhere between this version and that of the strip club owner, but if the publicist's version is more or less correct, Jones may escape consequences for THIS incident.

(2) I am sure profootballtalk will run with this version immediately, seeing as how they strive for fair and balanced reporting when it comes to the Titans ( ) . And if they do run it, there is no way they will present this as a bch of bull, while holding up the owner's version as gospel ( ).

(3) Jones is a knucklehead, and just doesn't get it, but if the publicist story is accurate, I think he should remain a Titan.

(4) Where was this lady when T.O. overdosed. THIS is how a publicist handles her bizness.

Why did the publicist wait so long to come out with this? To allow the media to spin this out of control for so long shows that she is not probably much of a publicist.

 

[flufhed]

Pacman's publicist speaks.

A couple of thoughts:

(1) the truth is undoubtedly somewhere between this version and that of the strip club owner, but if the publicist's version is more or less correct, Jones may escape consequences for THIS incident.

(2) I am sure profootballtalk will run with this version immediately, seeing as how they strive for fair and balanced reporting when it comes to the Titans ( ) . And if they do run it, there is no way they will present this as a bch of bull, while holding up the owner's version as gospel ( ).

(3) Jones is a knucklehead, and just doesn't get it, but if the publicist story is accurate, I think he should remain a Titan.

(4) Where was this lady when T.O. overdosed. THIS is how a publicist handles her bizness.

Why did the publicist wait so long to come out with this? To allow the media to spin this out of control for so long shows that she is not probably much of a publicist.

I disagree. The media was all over this from the get go. Didn't seem like much of an advantage to jump in early. I definitely thought it made sense to sit back and let things develop a bit.

 

[pgreenfan]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

It shouldn't even be questioned. They are running multi-million dollar companies far more efficiently than most CEOs.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Told you the Titans should have taken Rolle.

 

[LHUCKS]

Told you the Titans should have taken Rolle.

 

[Couch Potato]

BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

Quincy Carter was before the latest collective bargaining agreement. I'm no expert on this and you can do the research if you'd like, but I do recall some changes being made which make it harder for individual teams to cut players for personal conduct, putting any such measures into the hands of the league office.

 

[Klecko HOF]

BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

Quincy Carter was before the latest collective bargaining agreement. I'm no expert on this and you can do the research if you'd like, but I do recall some changes being made which make it harder for individual teams to cut players for personal conduct, putting any such measures into the hands of the league office.

Correct. Keyshawn Johonson and Terrell Owens were both suspended indefinitely by their respective teams; however, with the new CBA, I believe it is no longer allowed. The maximum suspension I think is four games.

 

[Billy Bats]

Yeah, when drug dealers are telling you to take your job more seriously, you are really ####ed up.

Drug dealers actually have one of the most effective business models in all of capitalism. Argue with the morality of it all you want, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most top-level drug dealers are SIGNIFICANTLY smarter than people generally give them credit for.

I submit to you that a business that subjects you to significant risk of being murdered or imprisoned cannot be one of the the 'most effective in all of capitalism'.BTW, teams can cut players at any time with or without reason. See: Quincy Carter.

The risk of death or imprisonment is negated by the fact that many drug dealers are in environments where violence and crime is already present. Not all, but many. However, the point I was making is that the positives in favor of selling drugs as a business model are many:1. High profit margins2. Low inventory costs3. Cash business (no lines of credit to collect)4. Addictive traits call for repeat customers (high demand)5. Illegality constricts supply.So, high margins, low inventory costs, no money lost in transactions, high demand and low supply sound like a dynamite business model to me.

And let's not forget, tax free!!

 

[matuski]

noticed in the transcript that even his boys know when the drug tests are. Is the NFL really only acting like they are trying to test and stop players from using drugs? If this is true, do all players know when the drug tests are?

Dude you would be surprised how many athletes are associated with drug dealers. part of the reason that most of these guys are there is because a drug dealer sponsered them. Not an excuse. but its true. For the record from the first time I heard Pac man speak I knew he was trouble.

How exactly does a drug dealer sponsorship work? Are they providing the scholarships that most of these athletes use to play college ball?

They buy them shoes, clothes, food, cars and protection. You honestly dont think Clarett was crazy enough to ride with a Bulletproof vest and all those guns because he was a knucklehead. And i hope you dont think he was going to kill the lady that testified against him huh?

You realize that they have clothe and shoe sponsors through the team.... food is paid for by a generous per diem, and what millionaire needs someone to buy cars for them?That whole Clarett rambling... what?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Pacman's publicist speaks.

A couple of thoughts:

(1) the truth is undoubtedly somewhere between this version and that of the strip club owner, but if the publicist's version is more or less correct, Jones may escape consequences for THIS incident.

(2) I am sure profootballtalk will run with this version immediately, seeing as how they strive for fair and balanced reporting when it comes to the Titans ( ) . And if they do run it, there is no way they will present this as a bch of bull, while holding up the owner's version as gospel ( :( ).

(3) Jones is a knucklehead, and just doesn't get it, but if the publicist story is accurate, I think he should remain a Titan.

(4) Where was this lady when T.O. overdosed. THIS is how a publicist handles her bizness.

Why did the publicist wait so long to come out with this? To allow the media to spin this out of control for so long shows that she is not probably much of a publicist.

I disagree. The media was all over this from the get go. Didn't seem like much of an advantage to jump in early. I definitely thought it made sense to sit back and let things develop a bit.

Yeah, it always makes sense to let the media steamroll your client for two weeks before making a statement. Great job there. Maybe a month from now she'll say that she was in the house a year ago when Jones first tried to hide from police and then got involved in a fight with them. Jones was probably already just sitting in the house with a bowl of oregano when rogue cops just showed up and started beating him. LINK

 

[BigTex]

Pacman is 'very frightened'

Adam "Pacman" Jones' attorney said the Tennessee Titans cornerback is "very frightened" as he waits possible trial for obstructing police in Georgia and as he waits for the fallout from an investigation into a triple shooting in Las Vegas during NBA All-Star weekend, USA Today reported Thursday.

"He's very frightened, because there are such big clouds around him," Jones' attorney Manny Arora said Wednesday.

Jones is not a suspect in the Feb. 19 incident in Vegas, but a co-owner of the strip club where the shooting occurred alleges the shooter entered the club with Jones.

Meanwhile, a friend of Jones says he might have been more focused on gambling and drugs than football last season, according to NBC affiliate WSMV-TV.

Secretly recorded phone conversations reveal that a close friend of Jones was worried about the football player's lifestyle and his status on the team.

"I'm trying to get him to listen, man. You've got to (expletive) get through to him and we've got to slow him down," said Jones' friend and convicted felon Darryl Moore.

Moore was secretly recorded last year talking about Jones. The taped phone conversations were taken when Moore was being investigated during a major drug sting that authorities said turned up more than 1,500 pounds of marijuana, 128 pounds of cocaine and almost two dozen cars, including a Cadillac with the name "Pacman" embroidered on the seats.

"He's got to concentrate on this season, man. They've got them drug tests creeping up like a mother (expletive) too man," Moore said.

Moore talked to friends about his concerns about Jones' drug use.

"I was talking to him the other day about smoking, and he was like, 'Man, if I didn't smoke I couldn't take all the stress that I'm dealing with right now,'" Moore said.

He also discussed Jones' betting habits. He said Jones bet thousands on games.

"He wanted me to take $6,000 over there to bet on that damn game. I told him I wouldn't take $6,000 over there and let him blow it on no (expletive) game. And damn if LSU (Louisiana State University) didn't beat Duke. He would have lost six grand," Moore said.

Meanwhile, a Las Vegas strip club owner is questioning Jones' status as a high roller. Two weeks ago, Las Vegas police said Jones lost thousands at a strip club after a fight broke out and three people were shot. A search warrant said more than $81,000 of Jones' money was found in the hotel room of a club promoter.

Tuesday, the club's owner said all the money wasn't Jones? and that some of it belonged to promoters.

"I know we had done payouts that were substantial to them, and I know for a fact that Pacman Jones only had forty-five hundred bucks," said club co-owner Robert Susnar.

Las Vegas police said they are still looking at surveillance tape taken inside the club. No one has been charged in the shootings.The National Football League is also investigating the incident in Las Vegas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17370565/

 

[Limp Ditka]

He's also afraid of knives

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?s=6209455

FRANKLIN, Tenn.- A Spring Hill man was arrested after he threatened Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones with a knife Friday night at a bowling alley.

Franklin police said that Jones was at the Franklin Family Entertainment Center with family and friends when Clayton Smith came up to Jones, threatening him before pulling out a knife.

Police pulled Smith away and demanded he leave the property. Police learned later about Smith brandishing a knife and sought a warrant to arrest him.

Police arrested Smith on Saturday and charged him with aggravated assault.

The guy can't even go bowling without having a whirlwind of feces around him

 

[Guzalot]

This has probably been linked before but:

Pacman threatened with knife at bowling alley

A man was arrested and charged with aggravated assault after police said he threatened troubled Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones with a knife at a Franklin, Tenn., bowling alley.

No one was hurt during the Friday night incident.

"Mr. Jones was here just trying to be a normal customer, trying to bowl" with several others, Franklin police detective Stephanie Cisco said, according to The Tennessean newspaper.

It doesn't sound like this was necessarily Pacmans fault but he's certainly a trouble magnet.

 

[Guzalot]

You guys are fast! As I'm typing my last post someone links the story. I think I'll just stick to comments and leave the "breaking news" to the rest of you...