Pacman vs Mayweather - 5/2/15 (1 Viewer)

[fantasycurse42]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/promoter-says-manny-pacquiao-has-agreed-to-terms-for-floyd-mayweather-fight-012634983.html

Bob Arum says Pacman has agreed to all of the terms, including a 40% split to Floyd's 60% (which could be in the $120MM range)... All Floyd has to do is sign off. With this much money on the line, I think it finally happens, although about 5 years after it should've.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

How was it?

 

[Milkman]

Better late than never. Pacman will be a significant dog imo. Still he has a legit shot to give Mayweather his first loss.

 

[eoMMan]

Another exciting judge's decision....I can't wait!

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah...this is WAY too late. Pac had a chance when he was younger and all juiced up. He'll get taken apart now.,

 

[ILUVBEER99]

sucks this fight didn't happen while both were in their primes. still a great fight but so messed up, reminds me of how Tyson/Holyfield was put off until Tyson was a shell of his former self.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Yeah...this is WAY too late. Pac had a chance when he was younger and all juiced up. He'll get taken apart now.,

This pisses me off bc I think he would've kicked Floyd's ### 5 years ago, now he prob will get destroyed. Nobody is going to beat him, well except Matuski.

 

[The General]

I'm in.

 

[thayman]

Balance/Matsuki would tear them both apart.

 

[Milkman]

Is Pacman not able to juice up again?

 

[tdoss]

Finally...let's get this over with already.

Tired of the debate...but it looks like most of the Pacmaniacs have already resolved themselves to a loss.

Maybe Pacquiao can cycle on/off in time to make this an interesting fight for the first four/five rounds.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think some here are underestimating the fact that Floyd has lost a few steps over the last 5 years. They are still the 2 best in the sport.

From what I see on Twitter, it's not a done deal yet. Floyd has to sign still.

 

[shadyridr]

Zzzzz two old men not swinging at each other for twelve rounds and an easy money mayweather decision. Count me out.

 

[Capella]

Zzzzz two old men not swinging at each other for twelve rounds and an easy money mayweather decision. Count me out.

Yea. Seriously. Neither one of there two are interesting to watch.

Don't forget the PPV will cost a 100 bucks too.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Better late than never. Pacman will be a significant dog imo. Still he has a legit shot to give Mayweather his first loss.

The only part of this I agree with is Pacman will be a significant dog. He does not have a legit shot to win and Id actually prefer the fight never happens at this point.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah...this is WAY too late. Pac had a chance when he was younger and all juiced up. He'll get taken apart now.,

This pisses me off bc I think he would've kicked Floyd's ### 5 years ago, now he prob will get destroyed. Nobody is going to beat him, well except Matuski.

I would agree with you...other than the fact that Pac Man's potential ability to kick Floyd's ### was all pharmaceutical.

No doubt in my mind that he was on some serious stuff.

 

[Annyong]

I don't follow boxing. Has Pacquiao been caught juicing?

Also, do you guys call him Pac Man because you don't feel like looking up how to spell his name, or is that a legit nickname.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is boxing still a thing?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Is boxing still a thing?

It will make a ton of money, but by and large, no, it is not still a thing.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Mayweather by 12-round UD. Not close.

 

[brianj74]

This could have been Leonard/Hearns I a few years ago but now its more like Jones/Hopkins II.

Until Floyd agrees, I won't hold my breath.

I could see Floyd duck again and fight Khan in May.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Zzzzz two old men not swinging at each other for twelve rounds and an easy money mayweather decision. Count me out.

Yea. Seriously. Neither one of there two are interesting to watch.

Don't forget the PPV will cost a 100 bucks too.

No pants in hell I spend money on this. I've bought (or contributed to buying) two fights in my life : Tyson/Spinks, and Tyson/Holyfield 2 (the ear bite). Let's just call it lesson learned. Now, obviously one can say that Tyson is the constant here, but there's just no way I'm spending $100 on what could theoretically be 2 minutes of entertainment or 60 minutes of boredom. 5 years ago, I may have paid a $20 cover to watch it at a bar, but not now.

Sure, it'll sell a couple million PPV buys and gross an obscene amount of money, but boxing has become a fringe sport and the only way to get out of that is to put the fight back in people's homes. Only die-hards are going fork over the cash to watch this, the casual fan will read about it the next day and/or watch the replay on cable a week later. If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

 

[Ilov80s]

I don't follow boxing. Has Pacquiao been caught juicing?

No, but Floyd accused him of it. There's no reason to suspect he cheated more than most any other fighter.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is boxing still a thing?

It will make a ton of money, but by and large, no, it is not still a thing.

It's very niche in the US. Internationally, it's really big.

 

[Ilov80s]

Better late than never. Pacman will be a significant dog imo. Still he has a legit shot to give Mayweather his first loss.

The only part of this I agree with is Pacman will be a significant dog. He does not have a legit shot to win and Id actually prefer the fight never happens at this point.

Why does Manny have no shot?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Better late than never. Pacman will be a significant dog imo. Still he has a legit shot to give Mayweather his first loss.

The only part of this I agree with is Pacman will be a significant dog. He does not have a legit shot to win and Id actually prefer the fight never happens at this point.

Why does Manny have no shot?

I could very well be wrong, but he just doesnt pass the eye test to me anymore. Sure, any puncher could land one, so he has a shot. Do I think its a big shot? No.

 

[Ilov80s]

Better late than never. Pacman will be a significant dog imo. Still he has a legit shot to give Mayweather his first loss.

The only part of this I agree with is Pacman will be a significant dog. He does not have a legit shot to win and Id actually prefer the fight never happens at this point.

Why does Manny have no shot?

I could very well be wrong, but he just doesnt pass the eye test to me anymore. Sure, any puncher could land one, so he has a shot. Do I think its a big shot? No.

Floyd isn't as mobile as he once was and will have to stand in and trade at points. Neither fighter is as good as they were 5 years ago, but these are still the best in the world and either one could win IMO. Manny will push Floyd into an exciting fight.

 

[brianj74]

Its Floyd's stand on the ropes and counter punch versus Paq's punching volume.

I think Floyd wins now and would have won five years ago.

 

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[fantasycurse42]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

Big difference between the two sports. UFC doesnt appear to be fixed and they always have top rated guys fighting each other. Boxing seems to go out of their way to prevent big time fights. Maybe once or twice a year does the top boxing talent meet in the ring.

 

[shadyridr]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

Big difference between the two sports. UFC doesnt appear to be fixed and they always have top rated guys fighting each other. Boxing seems to go out of their way to prevent big time fights. Maybe once or twice a year does the top boxing talent meet in the ring.

There are no big time fighters anymore except for these two

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

UFC PPV buys have been in a steady decline.

 

[sbonomo]

There is still boxing.....I though this reverted to an olympic sport. who knew.

 

[D in the D]

Mayweather dances around and avoids contact for most of every round, save for a few flurries to impress the judges. Wins decision. Sugar Ray Leonard cringes again for not having the foresight to copyright a name for his brand of fighting.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

Big difference between the two sports. UFC doesnt appear to be fixed and they always have top rated guys fighting each other. Boxing seems to go out of their way to prevent big time fights. Maybe once or twice a year does the top boxing talent meet in the ring.

There are no big time fighters anymore except for these two

Yeah, kind of chicken and egg concept. People have left boxing, both fans and fighters.

 

[fantasycurse42]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

UFC PPV buys have been in a steady decline.

The point of my comment was the UFC has grown while using the PPV format.

The attendance was weak at the gate for 182, but the PPV appears strong off of early reports. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/4/7490001/white-ufc-182-ppv-buys-jones-vs-cormier-pay-per-view

 

[tdoss]

Great...another boxing thread devolves into a debate about UFC versus boxing.

Why are UFC fans so oddly selfconscious? They do it every time boxing gets a spotlight.

 

[Treynwreck3]

make it a fight 'til the finish, and I might watch. If it goes to a decision, the fix will be in.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Great...another boxing thread devolves into a debate about UFC versus boxing.

Why are UFC fans so oddly selfconscious? They do it every time boxing gets a spotlight.

I think the comparison originally was on the business design, not really a sport comparison. If I derailed that, I apologize. Im really not even a big UFC guy and held on to the sweet science as long as I could.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Just once, I'd like to see a boxing thread derailed into a boxing v. curling argument.

 

[Steve Tasker]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

Big difference between the two sports. UFC doesnt appear to be fixed and they always have top rated guys fighting each other. Boxing seems to go out of their way to prevent big time fights. Maybe once or twice a year does the top boxing talent meet in the ring.

Stiverne/Wilder this Saturday has the WBC heavyweight champ (Stiverne) against the hottest heavyweight prospect in the country (Wilder). Wilder is a 6'7" beast with a 32-0 (32 KO) record and hasn't had a pro fight last longer than 4 rounds. They may be anonymous to most Americans, but they're both top talents fighting this weekend. It may not be pretty, technical boxing, but it could be an exciting slugfest.

USA Today:

The 6-7 Wilder, 29, is the last U.S. male Olympic medalist (Bronze in Beijing in 2008). He has gone four full rounds just once since turning pro in November 2008. The untested slugger has fought a total of 58 rounds, an average of 1.8 rounds per outing. He's registered 18 knockouts in the first round, eight in the second.

"Now I can make all my dreams come true, I can make it a reality," Wilder said. "America is yearning for a heavyweight world champion. We haven't had a real one since the days of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. Everyone just sits back and remembers the glory days. America has been waiting for their champion and I've arrived."

In March, against what was expected to be his toughest opponent, Wilder knocked out Malik Scott in 96 seconds. He followed that up with a fourth-round technical knockout against Jason Gavern in August. Wilder dropped Gavern in the third and fourth rounds. The referee halted the fight at the end of the fourth.

"I can't help that I always knock my guys out," Wilder said. "It's not my fault I make it look easy. When I knock Stiverne out I don't want to hear any whispers; I don't want to hear people say that he was a bum. I want the world to bow down and praise the heavyweight champion of the world. They have to finally admit that I'm just that good."

 

[Evilgrin 72]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

But there's a limit on how much of a grip they'll ever have on the national consciousness. Way back when, the heavyweight champion of the world was maybe the most recognizable person on Earth. Nowadays, show a picture of Vladimir Klitchsko to 100 people on the street and how many know his name? 10? 15? Granted, part of that is that he's not American, but how many people do you think could have identified Riddick Bowe?

Neither boxing nor UFC is ever going to appeal to the casual fan when all the best fights cost $50-100 a piece to watch. There's just too much out there. If Mayweather's and Pacquiao's fights had all been broadcast on NBC and this proposed fight was too, you'd probably have 10 times the audience in the US that this fight will have if it comes off. Of course, the revenue wouldn't be there because you could sell enough ads to make up the $100M+ they'll generate in PPV sales. So, the model they use is the most lucrative, but definitely the most limiting when it comes to exposure. that's why boxing and UFC will continue to be niche sports.

 

[brianj74]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

Big difference between the two sports. UFC doesnt appear to be fixed and they always have top rated guys fighting each other. Boxing seems to go out of their way to prevent big time fights. Maybe once or twice a year does the top boxing talent meet in the ring.

Stiverne/Wilder this Saturday has the WBC heavyweight champ (Stiverne) against the hottest heavyweight prospect in the country (Wilder). Wilder is a 6'7" beast with a 32-0 (32 KO) record and hasn't had a pro fight last longer than 4 rounds. They may be anonymous to most Americans, but they're both top talents fighting this weekend. It may not be pretty, technical boxing, but it could be an exciting slugfest.

USA Today:

The 6-7 Wilder, 29, is the last U.S. male Olympic medalist (Bronze in Beijing in 2008). He has gone four full rounds just once since turning pro in November 2008. The untested slugger has fought a total of 58 rounds, an average of 1.8 rounds per outing. He's registered 18 knockouts in the first round, eight in the second.

"Now I can make all my dreams come true, I can make it a reality," Wilder said. "America is yearning for a heavyweight world champion. We haven't had a real one since the days of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. Everyone just sits back and remembers the glory days. America has been waiting for their champion and I've arrived."

In March, against what was expected to be his toughest opponent, Wilder knocked out Malik Scott in 96 seconds. He followed that up with a fourth-round technical knockout against Jason Gavern in August. Wilder dropped Gavern in the third and fourth rounds. The referee halted the fight at the end of the fourth.

"I can't help that I always knock my guys out," Wilder said. "It's not my fault I make it look easy. When I knock Stiverne out I don't want to hear any whispers; I don't want to hear people say that he was a bum. I want the world to bow down and praise the heavyweight champion of the world. They have to finally admit that I'm just that good."

Wilder has fought nearly all tomato cans and has a glass chin to boot, I'll take Stiverne here. Wilder has done nothing to impress thus far.

 

[eoMMan]

What they need to revitalize the sport is a cocky ### heavyweight that knocks dudes out in 2 minutes. Think Mike Tyson.

Decisions are boring, plain and simple. People want to see pain. They want to see blood.

 

[Quez]

Another exciting judge's decision....I can't wait!

On the surface it sounds great, but then I remembered all the overhyped boxing matches between tiny men I have seen. They never live up to expectations, and more than likely end up being a decision.

 

[Ilov80s]

What they need to revitalize the sport is a cocky ### heavyweight that knocks dudes out in 2 minutes. Think Mike Tyson.

Decisions are boring, plain and simple. People want to see pain. They want to see blood.

We might find out Saturday if Deontay Wilder can be that guy.

 

[Quez]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

UFC PPV buys have been in a steady decline.

Neither sport has the star power to draw right now. The biggest draws are Jon Jones & Mayweather. UFC needs a Chuck Lidell, Lesner, Tito kind of star. Boxing just needs a good heavyweight.

 

[Ilov80s]

If boxing ever wants to re-establish itself as a sport that grabs the national consciousness, they need to get away from the PPV model. It's just so lucrative that it's not going to happen.

I disagree with this... Look at UFC, all of their big fights are PPV and they have been growing like crazy over the last decade.

UFC PPV buys have been in a steady decline.

Neither sport has the star power to draw right now. The biggest draws are Jon Jones & Mayweather. UFC needs a Chuck Lidell, Lesner, Tito kind of star. Boxing just needs a good heavyweight.

Boxing is bigger than ever overseas, it just isn't making starts in America. The promoters here have done a terrible job and have been really greedy.

 

[Ilov80s]

The top start in boxing (or at least should be) is Gennady Golovkin. GGG is a middleweight with Tyson power, but being from Kazakhstan, he sounds like Borat. He might already be the #1 pound for pound fighter on the planet. Nobody can handle his power. The difference between him and Tyson is that he is also an Olympic medalist and a great technical boxer...he just chooses to fight aggressively and look for the KO everytime. Pretty much everyone that has fought him has said that they have never been hit like that in their life.