Pacquiao vs Bradley ...gonna be a good one! (1 Viewer)

[Softballguy]

I'm not saying this wasn't a terrible decision. I didn't see it, but I'll take everyone's word for it. I'm only pointing out that it's not a historical abberation. There have always been horrible decisions in boxing.

I'm glad to know your opinion of a fight you didn't see.

 

[chet]

This was bull####.

 

[timschochet]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I'm happy to know you can Google, but none of these matches the fight tonight. Not by a long shot.

I googled a few. Not all of them. The fixes I didn't google at all. Again, I didn't see tonight so I can't comment. But I would be stunned if this really represents the ultimate low. Believe me, boxiing has been pretty damn low in the past.

 

[SacramentoBob]

You can tell from the thread who lost their mortgage payment on Pacquiao tonight.

 

[JuniorNB]

.I really don't think this makes the public want to see PAc Man vs Mayweather any less. Everyone witnessed MAnny's speed and power once again tonight.However, it does Mayweather yet another reason to duck him.

You couldn't be more wrong. I've said for a while that Pac VS Mayweather was the ONLY fight I would consider paying money for (boxing anyways).After Manny's loss tonight, I withdraw that statement. There is now literally NO boxing fight I would pay a dime to see. Pac is now just another guy...the clash of the titans is now Mayweather vs some good fighter.Boxing is officially dead to me after tonight. It's been on life-support since the end of the days of Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, etc. I don't have even the slightest interest in any fight they can now come up with. It might as well be Jai-alai.

You watched that fight tonight and thought Manny lost??

 

[Raider Nation]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Ali's phantom punch against Liston down?

 

[Softballguy]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I'm happy to know you can Google, but none of these matches the fight tonight. Not by a long shot.

I googled a few. Not all of them. The fixes I didn't google at all. Again, I didn't see tonight so I can't comment. But I would be stunned if this really represents the ultimate low. Believe me, boxiing has been pretty damn low in the past.

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

 

[Raider Nation]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I'm happy to know you can Google, but none of these matches the fight tonight. Not by a long shot.

I googled a few. Not all of them. The fixes I didn't google at all. Again, I didn't see tonight so I can't comment. But I would be stunned if this really represents the ultimate low. Believe me, boxiing has been pretty damn low in the past.

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

You don't author 54,000 posts by accident.

 

[No. 16]

This will definitely stop the nonsense coming out of Arum's camp to have the purse split evenly between JuiceMan and Mayweather.It'll also set up a nice battle of undefeated's with Mayweather and Bradley...although, that will be just an awful fight.

For sure. PBF would pick apart Bradley, who is sort of a poor man's PBF.

Bradley as a poor man's PBF??? His fighting style is close to a poor man's Pac-Man than PBF.

 

[timschochet]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I'm happy to know you can Google, but none of these matches the fight tonight. Not by a long shot.

I googled a few. Not all of them. The fixes I didn't google at all. Again, I didn't see tonight so I can't comment. But I would be stunned if this really represents the ultimate low. Believe me, boxiing has been pretty damn low in the past.

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

I'm commenting on the statement; 'What has boxing become?"

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Boxing has been dead for years. But now it's really rolling over in its grave.

Its not the fighters faults...its the money men...the promoters that are killing the sport i love . :( We need a guy like Dana White who really seems to understand the whole concept that the fighters ARE the main attraction.

 

[Softballguy]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

ToucheFixes:

Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I'm happy to know you can Google, but none of these matches the fight tonight. Not by a long shot.

I googled a few. Not all of them. The fixes I didn't google at all. Again, I didn't see tonight so I can't comment. But I would be stunned if this really represents the ultimate low. Believe me, boxiing has been pretty damn low in the past.

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

You don't author 54,000 posts by accident.

Touche

 

[Kenny Powers]

This will definitely stop the nonsense coming out of Arum's camp to have the purse split evenly between JuiceMan and Mayweather.It'll also set up a nice battle of undefeated's with Mayweather and Bradley...although, that will be just an awful fight.

For sure. PBF would pick apart Bradley, who is sort of a poor man's PBF.

Bradley as a poor man's PBF??? His fighting style is close to a poor man's Pac-Man than PBF.

Probably agree with that, when I said that though I was more thinking about comparing PBF to other guys Pac has fought

 

[Softballguy]

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

I'm commenting on the statement; 'What has boxing become?"

Right, and I'm saying there has not been this egregious a decision in a long, long time, considering the magnitude of the fight. Boxing has its faults; many, many faults. But this takes the cake. But what do I know? I only watched the fight.

 

[timschochet]

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

I'm commenting on the statement; 'What has boxing become?"

Right, and I'm saying there has not been this egregious a decision in a long, long time, considering the magnitude of the fight. Boxing has its faults; many, many faults. But this takes the cake. But what do I know? I only watched the fight.

Well it seems that a lot of other people agree with you. Certainly this the biggest hue and cry I've heard in years.

 

[flapgreen]

What does anyone have to gain from taking the fight away from Pac? Surely the promoters wouldn't get more if Bradley won. The few fans remaing will be disgusted. What does the sport have to gain by picking winners and setting up fights? Are the judges betting on who's fighting? Does someone secretly give them a huge load of cash? Anyone have direct experience with this sort of thing?

 

[Softballguy]

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

I'm commenting on the statement; 'What has boxing become?"

Right, and I'm saying there has not been this egregious a decision in a long, long time, considering the magnitude of the fight. Boxing has its faults; many, many faults. But this takes the cake. But what do I know? I only watched the fight.

Well it seems that a lot of other people agree with you. Certainly this the biggest hue and cry I've heard in years.

Yes. Those who have watched the fight.

 

[JuniorNB]

This will definitely stop the nonsense coming out of Arum's camp to have the purse split evenly between JuiceMan and Mayweather.It'll also set up a nice battle of undefeated's with Mayweather and Bradley...although, that will be just an awful fight.

For sure. PBF would pick apart Bradley, who is sort of a poor man's PBF.

Bradley as a poor man's PBF??? His fighting style is close to a poor man's Pac-Man than PBF.

No way. He's much more like Mayweather. I was thinking it the entire fight tonight. Light-hitting, ducks and moves his head alot to avoid getting hit, always counters, never attacks. He's obvious a lesser version of him, but he has a lot of PBF's characteristics.

 

[chet]

What does anyone have to gain from taking the fight away from Pac? Surely the promoters wouldn't get more if Bradley won. The few fans remaing will be disgusted. What does the sport have to gain by picking winners and setting up fights? Are the judges betting on who's fighting? Does someone secretly give them a huge load of cash? Anyone have direct experience with this sort of thing?

Hey GB--do you really think Bradley won?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Those same judges had WWII as a split decision for the Germans.

 

[flapgreen]

 

[flapgreen]

What does anyone have to gain from taking the fight away from Pac? Surely the promoters wouldn't get more if Bradley won. The few fans remaing will be disgusted. What does the sport have to gain by picking winners and setting up fights? Are the judges betting on who's fighting? Does someone secretly give them a huge load of cash? Anyone have direct experience with this sort of thing?

Hey GB--do you really think Bradley won?

Well #### no I don't. Those were real questions.

 

[Ilov80s]

I had Manny winning 116-114. I scores 2 rds even. This is just part of what boxing is as fixed fights have always been a part of it. I think it is odd people are saying they will never watch boxing again because bad officials impacted the outcome of a contest. That happens regularly in every sport.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I had Manny winning 116-114. I scores 2 rds even. This is just part of what boxing is as fixed fights have always been a part of it. I think it is odd people are saying they will never watch boxing again because bad officials impacted the outcome of a contest. That happens regularly in every sport.

I dont find it to be even remotely equal.Boxing was already the worst of the worst, now its not even a sport.

 

[flapgreen]

I had Manny winning 116-114. I scores 2 rds even. This is just part of what boxing is as fixed fights have always been a part of it. I think it is odd people are saying they will never watch boxing again because bad officials impacted the outcome of a contest. That happens regularly in every sport.

Don't even try comparing boxing officials to officials in other sports. It's not even close and no one should entertain the idea of it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bob Arum said. "I had it 10-2 (PacMan). After I got into the ring after the fight, I went over to Bradley and said 'You did very well.' He said, 'I tried hard, but I couldn't beat the guy.'

 

[chet]

Bob Arum said. "I had it 10-2 (PacMan). After I got into the ring after the fight, I went over to Bradley and said 'You did very well.' He said, 'I tried hard, but I couldn't beat the guy.'

Dirty sport without a doubt. I will probably never order another Boxing PPV again. Disgusting.

MMA? Yes.

 

[Ilov80s]

What does anyone have to gain from taking the fight away from Pac? Surely the promoters wouldn't get more if Bradley won. The few fans remaing will be disgusted. What does the sport have to gain by picking winners and setting up fights? Are the judges betting on who's fighting? Does someone secretly give them a huge load of cash? Anyone have direct experience with this sort of thing?

Hey GB--do you really think Bradley won?

Well #### no I don't. Those were real questions.

A fight can be fixed internally or externally. Internally, it is usually done through strategic match making. For example Mosley against Manny and Floyd. There was no set-up for Shane to lose, but all parties going into the fight realize Mosley has no chance. Another example was Floyd fighting Marquez. He had Marquez move up two weight divisions higher than Marquez had ever fought at to make the fight. Externally, it would be more devious: money from a casino or gambler. As for what people would gain (besides the financial outcomes of the bets) would be that Manny now has a legitimate opponent for November (Floyd fight isn't happening). It will sell- better then this one did. Pac losing will get more attention then him winning. Now it is negative attention, but at least people are talking about it.

 

[Softballguy]

Bob Arum said. "I had it 10-2 (PacMan). After I got into the ring after the fight, I went over to Bradley and said 'You did very well.' He said, 'I tried hard, but I couldn't beat the guy.'

Dirty sport without a doubt. I will probably never order another Boxing PPV again. Disgusting.

MMA? Yes.

The sad thing is that MMA is judged by equally moronic people. Some of whom don't even watch, much less know about MMA. The difference is MMA calls them out on it.

 

[Novice2]

I bet that money maysomething guy paid off the judges.

 

[Ilov80s]

I had Manny winning 116-114. I scores 2 rds even. This is just part of what boxing is as fixed fights have always been a part of it. I think it is odd people are saying they will never watch boxing again because bad officials impacted the outcome of a contest. That happens regularly in every sport.

Don't even try comparing boxing officials to officials in other sports. It's not even close and no one should entertain the idea of it.

There aren't any notable boxing officials I know of that recently served time in federal prison for fixing contests.

 

[Ilov80s]

Bob Arum said. "I had it 10-2 (PacMan). After I got into the ring after the fight, I went over to Bradley and said 'You did very well.' He said, 'I tried hard, but I couldn't beat the guy.'

Dirty sport without a doubt. I will probably never order another Boxing PPV again. Disgusting.

MMA? Yes.

The sad thing is that MMA is judged by equally moronic people. Some of whom don't even watch, much less know about MMA. The difference is MMA calls them out on it.

It is the commissions that have the power with judges in boxing. Boxers need to stop fighting in Texas and Vegas. These athletic commissions are a joke there. I think California does a good job, New York too.

 

[Ilov80s]

To add to the obvious fact that the fight was rigged, Sky Bet, one of UKs biggest sportsbooks is offering a refund to all Ortiz betters.

Daaaamn

You have a link on this? I can't believe it to be true. Whenever I see someone cry "Fix" it always leads me to believe that the peron crying has very little knowledge of boxing.

Real boxing fans know that Floyd and Manny's fights are garbage. They have too much money and cache to expect real fights. Donaire, Gamboa, Maidana, Khan, Andre Ward, Sergio Martinez and Bernard Hopkins are the best boxers in the game. Manny and Floyd are entertainers until they step in with each other.

People believe me now that Floyd-Ortiz was a fix?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Bob Arum said. "I had it 10-2 (PacMan). After I got into the ring after the fight, I went over to Bradley and said 'You did very well.' He said, 'I tried hard, but I couldn't beat the guy.'

Dirty sport without a doubt. I will probably never order another Boxing PPV again. Disgusting.

MMA? Yes.

You should never order another Boxing PPV again regardless of what happened tonight - they're always free on the interwebz.

 

[Michael Brown]

You can't comment... on a fight you didn't see... but you do so anyway??

I'm commenting on the statement; 'What has boxing become?"

Right, and I'm saying there has not been this egregious a decision in a long, long time, considering the magnitude of the fight. Boxing has its faults; many, many faults. But this takes the cake. But what do I know? I only watched the fight.

Yeah but using that logic, unless you also saw all of the other fights referenced, your opinion is no more relevant than anyone else's on where to put this in a historical context.For what it's worth I actually agree with you that this is probably the worst just that I don't agree how you're going about it.

 

[tdoss]

What does anyone have to gain from taking the fight away from Pac? Surely the promoters wouldn't get more if Bradley won. The few fans remaing will be disgusted. What does the sport have to gain by picking winners and setting up fights? Are the judges betting on who's fighting? Does someone secretly give them a huge load of cash? Anyone have direct experience with this sort of thing?

PacMan wins...there's no one left in Arum's camp for him to fight...so on to Mayweather. If PacMan and Mayweather ever happens...Floyd wins handily and Arum's meal ticket is essentially over. If PacMan leaves for politics forever...then Arum's meal ticket is over.Bradley wins from the fix and people will tune in for PacMan vs Bradley II. Hell...PacMan lost to Marquez and Arum got us to watch it again. Marquez won even more decisively and Arum was talking about have JMM vs PacMan III because of the terrible decision. Arum will do anything to prolong fights within his camp...to keep all the dough in house.Plus...now Bradley becomes a legitimate cash cow for him...everyone knows his name now and will watch to see if he gets exposed or if he's real. PacMan will garner views regardless...but if he's gone, then Arum needs that next meal ticket...so we get what we got tonight.Plus...if PacMan retires now...who's going to blame him? "He left because the sport broke his heart"...blah, blah. If he stays...people still want to see him fight Mayweather. But my instincts say Arum will set up a revenge match between Bradley and PacMan and squeeze blood from a turnip.I hate the guy with a passion...it's exactly why I thought he'd put the fix in before this fight started tonight.

 

[Raider Nation]

Official Scorecard

 

[Penguin]

You can tell from the thread who lost their mortgage payment on Pacquiao tonight.

I had nothing invested in this fight

 

[tdoss]

You can tell from the thread who lost their mortgage payment on Pacquiao tonight.

I had nothing invested in this fight

I had nothing but disdain and contempt invested into this fight. I'm not sure there's anyone on this board who hates Arum and dislikes PacMan more than I...but I KNOW that he was jobbed in this decision. PacMan beat him in power punches and jabs...he kept Bradley backing up all night. Bradley was lucky to get 3 rounds on the decision.

 

[Furious Styles]

The Filipino looks off the PEDs, Mayweather/Bradley should be the fight everyone wants to see. The battle of undefeated fighters.

 

[JuniorNB]

The Filipino looks off the PEDs, Mayweather/Bradley should be the fight everyone wants to see. The battle of undefeated fighters.

Two boring counter punchers. Most people would fall asleep halfway through. And I'd guess that most people who still seriously follow boxing somehow watched that fight last night. I highly doubt that any of them walked away from that feeling like they just couldn't wait to see the awesome Tim Bradley in action again.

 

[otello]

"I'll have to look at the tape to see if I won."

 

[shadyridr]

i didnt watch the fight but holyfield clearly won

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

This is just ridiculous. What has boxing become?

There's been fixed decisions, controversial decisions, and just flat out terrible decisions in every decade of boxing's existence. If there's no KO, there's always the risk.

Give me an example of a fight at this level that was this wrong.

Boxing has always had a fix, but this is a whole new level.

Fixes:Ever heard of Jess Willard?

Primo Carnera?

Billy Fox?

Look them up and back to me.

Bad decisions:

Leonard vs. Hearns II

Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

Camacho vs. Duran

De La Hoya vs. Sturm

That's just a short list. It goes on and on and on. Since the beginning of the sport.

I didn't see it

Who posted in: Pacquiao vs Bradley ...gonna be a good one!

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timschochet 12

12 posts in a thread of a fight you didn't even watch trying to argue where this fight falls in the "worst decisions of all time" list, which you googled to find. Keep up the great work, Tim.

 

[Abraham]

I'm not saying this wasn't a terrible decision. I didn't see it, but I'll take everyone's word for it. I'm only pointing out that it's not a historical abberation. There have always been horrible decisions in boxing.

I'm glad to know your opinion of a fight you didn't see.

 

[otello]

I'm watching now. First two rounds were feeling out rounds. Rounds three, clearly for Pac. Round four, all Pac, Bradley clearly hurt.

 

[Furious Styles]

The Filipino looks off the PEDs, Mayweather/Bradley should be the fight everyone wants to see. The battle of undefeated fighters.

Two boring counter punchers. Most people would fall asleep halfway through. And I'd guess that most people who still seriously follow boxing somehow watched that fight last night. I highly doubt that any of them walked away from that feeling like they just couldn't wait to see the awesome Tim Bradley in action again.

It is all about selling a fight to the general public. If you want to think the fights are fixed, then perhaps it plays out as PacMan will now be told to take a dive late in the rematch. Now all of a sudden you have everyone into the idea of a Mayweather-Bradley fight of the century.Why would PacMan go out like that? Well, he gets a final big payday and Arum is probably holding over his head the fact that he used PEDs.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

the fact that he used PEDs.

Link.

 

[identikit]

I'm not saying this wasn't a terrible decision. I didn't see it, but I'll take everyone's word for it. I'm only pointing out that it's not a historical abberation. There have always been horrible decisions in boxing.

I'm glad to know your opinion of a fight you didn't see.

Vintage Tim: google, copy&paste, and contradict himself from one sentence to the next.

 

[Billy Bats]

Listening to sports talk radio this morning, one guy came up with a conspiracy theory. He said that Manny may have threatened to leave Arum in order to get a fight with Mayweather so Arum had him lose last night in order to setup a rematch with Bradley and screw Manny out of a fight with Mayweather.

It's not my theory, as I know next to nothing about boxing. But this guy was furious saying the decision last night was borderline criminal. I guess he's just trying to find a way to "justify" the outcome.

I didn't see the fight, but reading this thread and listening to this guy go crazy, sounds like it was an all time screw job.