Paging SD Homers is R. Mathews the goaline back? [8/15/10] (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

from Aug 15

Mathews had nine carries for 50 yards (including an 18-yarder) and caught two passes for 11 yards in Saturday's preseason opener against the Bears.

Analysis: Not a bad debut for the highly-touted rookie, though it may be worth noting that the first time the Chargers got close to the goal line Saturday, they rolled with with Jacob Hester at fullback and Mike Tolbert (rather than Mathews) at tailback, the San Diego Union Tribune reports.

NFL.com is ranking him 9 overall! And this guy might not get GL carries on a pass first offense ? MT or any other

chime in...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

lol that "Adding comments has been disabled for this video."

wonder why?



The little ninja kick he does is pretty sweet.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

A beat writer from SD was on the Sirius Fantasy Channel yesterday and he was asked this question. He said that history tells us that Norv Turner does not like to switch backs at the GL and that he sticks with one main back. However he said that Tolbert has been extremely impressive in camp and he expects him to get 80+ carries a year and they very well could be a vulture (a term he picked up earlier in the conversation from the host).

fixed for game/year error

 

[BroadwayG]

However he said that Tolbert has been extremely impressive in camp and he expects him to get 80+ carries a game

I know who I'm taking 1.01

 

[Tau837]

There is some discussion of this in the Mathews Spotlight thread. As I asked in that thread:

Can anyone cite an instance where Norv used a goal line RB who was not the feature RB in his offense? Norv has been OC or HC for 19 years and counting, so if there is a real risk of him giving Tolbert goal line carries without featuring Tolbert, I would assume he would have done this before at least once, right?

No one provided any such examples...

I actually think Tolbert is a good runner, and he will likely have an expanded role this year. But I also think Mathews will get plenty of goal line and red zone opportunities and is likely to have 10+ TDs.

 

[Pots]

A beat writer from SD was on the Sirius Fantasy Channel yesterday and he was asked this question. He said that history tells us that Norv Turner does not like to switch backs at the GL and that he sticks with one main back. However he said that Tolbert has been extremely impressive in camp and he expects him to get 80+ carries a game and they very well could be a vulture (a term he picked up earlier in the conversation from the host).

So his answer was... 'Maybe'?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

There is some discussion of this in the Mathews Spotlight thread. As I asked in that thread:Can anyone cite an instance where Norv used a goal line RB who was not the feature RB in his offense? Norv has been OC or HC for 19 years and counting, so if there is a real risk of him giving Tolbert goal line carries without featuring Tolbert, I would assume he would have done this before at least once, right?No one provided any such examples...I actually think Tolbert is a good runner, and he will likely have an expanded role this year. But I also think Mathews will get plenty of goal line and red zone opportunities and is likely to have 10+ TDs.

sounds like tolbert maybe worth a late flyer backing up a rookie and already slated for 80 a td opps?

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I think coaches -- especially old school coaches -- are hesitant to just throw important touches to RB's who aren't/haven't been in the flow of the game. You don't want the first time all day your guy is getting popped to be on the goal line, where emotions are running high, stakes are high, and defenders are desperate.

I think it benefits Mathews a lot to have a guy like Sproles, who is like the Anti-Goalline-Hammer, as the other back who is likely to get enough touches to be warmed up come crunch time.

I can absolutely see the possibility of a dozen or more TD's for Mathews this year, and I think the TD ceiling is actually a good bit higher than that.

 

[Garts]

Mathews was in at the stripe last week. He failed to hammer it in but he was close on the second attempt.

I think it will be Mathews.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

However he said that Tolbert has been extremely impressive in camp and he expects him to get 80+ carries a game

I know who I'm taking 1.01

He would use up all the tread on his tires real quick.

 

[shnikies]

There is some discussion of this in the Mathews Spotlight thread. As I asked in that thread:Can anyone cite an instance where Norv used a goal line RB who was not the feature RB in his offense? Norv has been OC or HC for 19 years and counting, so if there is a real risk of him giving Tolbert goal line carries without featuring Tolbert, I would assume he would have done this before at least once, right?No one provided any such examples...I actually think Tolbert is a good runner, and he will likely have an expanded role this year. But I also think Mathews will get plenty of goal line and red zone opportunities and is likely to have 10+ TDs.

AS OC in Dallas he had Emmitt. As head coach in Washington he had Terry Allen then Stephen Davis. As OC in Miami he had Ricky. As HC in Oakland he used a RBBC because of lack of talent for one year and Lamont Jordan for another. As OC inn San Fran he had Gore. Then in San Diego he obviously had LT.Basically, if he has a running back he trusts then he'll be getting a majority of the carries including goal line. There's always a chance he changes his philosophy but it's highly unlikely. Anything Turner is saying about Tolbert getting carries is probably a motivation ploy. The two things you have to worry about with Matthews is that offensive line that looked borderline atrocious at times last year and the chance he catches rookie fumblitis.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

 

[shnikies]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

Is that the same guy that has Hines ranked 22nd overall and Deangelo 23rd and Calvin Johnson 30th? Pass.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think coaches -- especially old school coaches -- are hesitant to just throw important touches to RB's who aren't/haven't been in the flow of the game. You don't want the first time all day your guy is getting popped to be on the goal line, where emotions are running high, stakes are high, and defenders are desperate.

Tolbert is also the starting fullback, so he'd be in the flow of the game.The arguments for Mathews being the goal-line back: He's the starter and Norv doesn't have a history of pulling the starter at the goal line. Mathews is powerful, and he looked good on the fourth-and-one carry he got in the first preseason game.The arguments for Tolbert being the goal-line back: He's bigger than Mathews, about 250 pounds, and is also powerful. Tolbert converted his one-yard plunge into the end zone in the first preseason game. Mathews failed to get into the endzone from two tries inside the five in the second preseason game.On the whole, my guess is that Mathews will be the primary runner at the goal line. But I also think that Tolbert will get some goal-line carries here and there as well.(They're also experimenting with DT Antonio Garay at fullback in the goal-line package.)

 

[Multiple Scores]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

Is that the same guy that has Hines ranked 22nd overall and Deangelo 23rd and Calvin Johnson 30th? Pass.

The bolded part is important and Mathews WAS the goalline guy last week. Week 3 is the tune up though so much should be revealed on Friday night. And as far as bashing Maurile for those projections I give him a pass cause I can see that happening, Calvin Johnson is not as productive as he is usually ranked, Hines is always ranked low and even though DeAngelo is a stud he is in a full blown committee.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I think coaches -- especially old school coaches -- are hesitant to just throw important touches to RB's who aren't/haven't been in the flow of the game. You don't want the first time all day your guy is getting popped to be on the goal line, where emotions are running high, stakes are high, and defenders are desperate.

Tolbert is also the starting fullback, so he'd be in the flow of the game.The arguments for Mathews being the goal-line back: He's the starter and Norv doesn't have a history of pulling the starter at the goal line. Mathews is powerful, and he looked good on the fourth-and-one carry he got in the first preseason game.The arguments for Tolbert being the goal-line back: He's bigger than Mathews, about 250 pounds, and is also powerful. Tolbert converted his one-yard plunge into the end zone in the first preseason game. Mathews failed to get into the endzone from two tries inside the five in the second preseason game.On the whole, my guess is that Mathews will be the primary runner at the goal line. But I also think that Tolbert will get some goal-line carries here and there as well.(They're also experimenting with DT Antonio Garay at fullback in the goal-line package.)

I know you watched the game last week, as a football fan, tell me something, didn't you think Mathews got in on that 2nd try, sure looked like the who ball passed the plane to me.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I know you watched the game last week, as a football fan, tell me something, didn't you think Mathews got in on that 2nd try, sure looked like the who ball passed the plane to me.

It was close, but I didn't think he got in. I watched the play only once, though.

 

[shnikies]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

Is that the same guy that has Hines ranked 22nd overall and Deangelo 23rd and Calvin Johnson 30th? Pass.

The bolded part is important and Mathews WAS the goalline guy last week. Week 3 is the tune up though so much should be revealed on Friday night. And as far as bashing Maurile for those projections I give him a pass cause I can see that happening, Calvin Johnson is not as productive as he is usually ranked, Hines is always ranked low and even though DeAngelo is a stud he is in a full blown committee.

Calvin Johnson finished as the 3rd best receiver in 2008 with 3 different starting QB's. He missed two games last year, had a rookie QB who missed 6 games with awful play from Culpepper as the replacement. This will be the first year he has a returning starting QB. The last time Hines Ward finished in the top 22 in fantasy was 2003 when he was 27 and he wasn't missing his starting QB for the first 4 games of the season. Projecting him as 22nd overall is just absurd. Deangelo Williams is not in a "full blown committee" that's just pure speculation. But this topic is about Ryan Matthews, who will be the goal line back for the Chargers.

 

[Garts]

I think coaches -- especially old school coaches -- are hesitant to just throw important touches to RB's who aren't/haven't been in the flow of the game. You don't want the first time all day your guy is getting popped to be on the goal line, where emotions are running high, stakes are high, and defenders are desperate.

Tolbert is also the starting fullback, so he'd be in the flow of the game.The arguments for Mathews being the goal-line back: He's the starter and Norv doesn't have a history of pulling the starter at the goal line. Mathews is powerful, and he looked good on the fourth-and-one carry he got in the first preseason game.The arguments for Tolbert being the goal-line back: He's bigger than Mathews, about 250 pounds, and is also powerful. Tolbert converted his one-yard plunge into the end zone in the first preseason game. Mathews failed to get into the endzone from two tries inside the five in the second preseason game.On the whole, my guess is that Mathews will be the primary runner at the goal line. But I also think that Tolbert will get some goal-line carries here and there as well.(They're also experimenting with DT Antonio Garay at fullback in the goal-line package.)

I know you watched the game last week, as a football fan, tell me something, didn't you think Mathews got in on that 2nd try, sure looked like the who ball passed the plane to me.

SD probbaly challenges that in the regular season for sure.I can't remmeber where I read it, but in one of Mathews scouting reports it said he was a very good GL runner.

 

[tommyGunZ]

On the whole, my guess is that Mathews will be the primary runner at the goal line. But I also think that Tolbert will get some goal-line carries here and there as well.

This is how I see the situation as well. I'll add that I'd be surprised if there was an NFL team that didn't have a goal line package with a FB being the short yardage back. So Tolbert getting a touch inside the 5 in a pre-season game doesn't alter my bullish views on Mathews one bit.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Calvin Johnson finished as the 3rd best receiver in 2008 with 3 different starting QB's. He missed two games last year, had a rookie QB who missed 6 games with awful play from Culpepper as the replacement. This will be the first year he has a returning starting QB. The last time Hines Ward finished in the top 22 in fantasy was 2003 when he was 27 and he wasn't missing his starting QB for the first 4 games of the season. Projecting him as 22nd overall is just absurd. Deangelo Williams is not in a "full blown committee" that's just pure speculation. But this topic is about Ryan Matthews, who will be the goal line back for the Chargers.

Hines finished last year as #17 in my league. What are you talking about?

 

[shnikies]

Calvin Johnson finished as the 3rd best receiver in 2008 with 3 different starting QB's. He missed two games last year, had a rookie QB who missed 6 games with awful play from Culpepper as the replacement. This will be the first year he has a returning starting QB. The last time Hines Ward finished in the top 22 in fantasy was 2003 when he was 27 and he wasn't missing his starting QB for the first 4 games of the season. Projecting him as 22nd overall is just absurd. Deangelo Williams is not in a "full blown committee" that's just pure speculation. But this topic is about Ryan Matthews, who will be the goal line back for the Chargers.

Hines finished last year as #17 in my league. What are you talking about?

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Hines finished last year as #17 in my league. What are you talking about?

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

16th in ESPN standard scoring leagues. I don't think their rules are very fringe.

 

[Gr00vus]

Tolbert's looked good so far this preseason. I expect him to get a couple more touches and goalline carries than I thought he'd get going into preseason. So I'd drop Matthews stock a tad in TD heavy leagues, but not in any other scoring systems.

 

[shnikies]

Hines finished last year as #17 in my league. What are you talking about?

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

16th in ESPN standard scoring leagues. I don't think their rules are very fringe.

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[Multiple Scores]

Hines finished last year as #17 in my league. What are you talking about?

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

16th in ESPN standard scoring leagues. I don't think their rules are very fringe.

You guys are confusing yourselves. One person is talking about overall and one person is talking about for wide receivers. Just trying to clear that up, now back to Mathews.

 

[unckeyherb]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

 

[shnikies]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

Is that the same guy that has Hines ranked 22nd overall and Deangelo 23rd and Calvin Johnson 30th? Pass.

Mt might have some quirky ideas, but he is brilliant, and happens to live in SD. Much the same way I heavily weight the stuff Yudkin says about NE pats, what he says about the charges should be listened too.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

22 overall? Unless there some AMAZING chemistry between leftwich/batch etc I think that's a lil :IBTL:

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

I agree with you here wholeheartedly. I would love to hear his reasoning though....

 

[Gr00vus]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

I agree with you here wholeheartedly. I would love to hear his reasoning though....

Fish taco and too much sun buzz.

 

[cvnpoka]

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

haha.tremblay usually has some facemelter projections. not sure what his methodology is. mebbe hes going for attention.

 

[bostonfred]

I can understand the bullish case for Ward. Holmes left town, their #2 is talented but still catching on, they don't have a lot of depth at receiver, and they don't have a lot of pass catching TEs or RBs. The Steelers are very effective on play action and Ward is consistently one of the top guys in the league.

I don't think Maurile is recommending taking him in the second round, but he does a quality job on projections for team offenses. If someone wants to question his projections, I'd be interested in seeing their projections for the Steelers passing game.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

17th overall? Really? Do your rules give players with Korean blood 5 points per reception?

He finished 13th in my RTS league, .5ppr, typical yardage and TD scoring...That being said I just laughed out loud at this post.

For the love of god will you people work on your reading comprehension. Tremblay has Ward rated at 22 overall not the 22nd best receiver. As in, if you were drafting in a 12 team standard league he should get drafted in the 2nd round 8 picks before where he thinks Calvin Johnson should be taken.

I agree with you here wholeheartedly. I would love to hear his reasoning though....

Fish taco and too much sun buzz.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

From the RM thread MT's take

I like Tolbert, but this talk about him getting the goal line work is nothing more than speculation.

Before Saturday's game, it was speculation based on (a) the fact that Norv Turner and others have said that Tolbert will get a lot more carries this season than he has in the past, and (b) the observation that Tolbert seems better suited for short-yardage carries than for other kinds of carries, so if he's going to get more carries, short-yardage carries seem the natural ones to add.After Saturday's game, the speculation is based on (a) and (b) above, plus (c) in the only goal-line situation in the first half (the half in which Mathews played), it was Hester and Tolbert in the backfield. So we know that the Chargers at least have that package.

However many goal-line carries you were projecting for Tolbert before Saturday's game, I think the projection has to increase after Saturday's game. If you already thought it unlikely that Tolbert would get many goal-line carries, then the projection may still be low. But even if it's still low, it should be higher than it was before. If you already thought Tolbert was a significant threat to steal goal-line carries, you should be even more worried now.

Note, however, that Mathews was successful on his fourth-and-one carry; and also that Mathews may have been done for the day anyway when Tolbert got his plunge. It was at the very end of the first half, and although (going by memory) Mathews played a lot right up to that point, he didn't play after that point — so we can't be sure exactly where the line was drawn indicating that he was done.

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