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Panthers owner not sold on Newton (1 Viewer)

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Report: Panthers owner not sold on Newton

Although signs continue to point to the Panthers selecting Cam Newton at No. 1 overall, CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman reports owner Jerry Richardson isn't "completely sold" on the Auburn quarterback.

Richardson is expected to defer to the men he pays to make these decisions, however, and the personnel staff "likes" Newton. The Panthers are also "enamored" with A.J. Green, and sources Freeman trusts insist the team would like to trade down and grab the draft's best receiver if possible. It's going to be awfully difficult for Carolina to trade out, as the top of the draft lacks a consensus No. 1 prospect.

 
Report: Panthers owner not sold on Newton Although signs continue to point to the Panthers selecting Cam Newton at No. 1 overall, CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman reports owner Jerry Richardson isn't "completely sold" on the Auburn quarterback.Richardson is expected to defer to the men he pays to make these decisions, however, and the personnel staff "likes" Newton. The Panthers are also "enamored" with A.J. Green, and sources Freeman trusts insist the team would like to trade down and grab the draft's best receiver if possible. It's going to be awfully difficult for Carolina to trade out, as the top of the draft lacks a consensus No. 1 prospect.
I don't think anyone is sold on any QB in this draft
 
I don't think we need to post every "report" blurbed on Rotoworld.
No, we should probably have another thread on the latest dynasty trades or some more news about some has been defensive player in trouble with a casino.
Right. And there's one thread for each of those things, so maybe make one thread where you just update on us on Rotoworld all day.
Then maybe you will enjoy my thread on Jalen Parmele. It wasn't a news report from Rotoworld, just my opinion. Also, I went looking at the topics you've started and the posts you've posted. Trust me son, you have no reason to be complaining about my threads. Since you're kind of new to this forum (188 posts and 114 of them in the Free for All I believe), I will tell you that news reports are posted here all the time. It is something fantasy owners want to see here, because it may give them a heads up on an injury or other news and enable them to pickup a future lottery ticket.
 
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I wonder if they might have an easier time trading out of the top pick given the looming rookie pay scale cuts. Still though, if they want AJ then they can't drop back too far so they're probably going to have a hard time finding a suitor.

 
I wonder that since there is no really great prospect at the QB position AND the Panthers dont have a 2nd round pick would they move down a few spots for less value than others have in the past.

 
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or... If they are truly "enamored" with Green (and "not sold" on Newton) AND can't trade down why would it be such a bad move to nab Green at 1.1.

 
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or... If they are truly "enamored" with Green (and "not sold" on Newton) AND can't trade down why would it be such a bad move to nab Green at 1.1.
My thinking exactly. They should take the highest player on their board, regardless of position. They have enough holes to fill, and in a draft with no real QB worth taking at #1, who would fault them?
 
I wonder that since there is no really great prospect at the QB position AND the Panthers don’t have a 2nd round pick would they move down a few spots for less value than others have in the past.
This would be the year to throw the "user manual" out the window and take less for a trade down. For example, if they were to drop 5 places to #6, there would be 1-2 QBs, 2 top DLs, a top corner and and 2 top WRs available...the Panthers wcould use any one of those, so if they can pick up a 2011 2nd rounder OR EVEN an early 3rd rounder, just to drop, I would think it would be worth it. If the extra pick does not pan out, the worst case is a crapshoot anyways as there are about 6-7 top players who grade out pretty equally at their respective positions (one just happens not to outshine the others).
 
or... If they are truly "enamored" with Green (and "not sold" on Newton) AND can't trade down why would it be such a bad move to nab Green at 1.1.
My thinking exactly. They should take the highest player on their board, regardless of position. They have enough holes to fill, and in a draft with no real QB worth taking at #1, who would fault them?
BPA is the best draft theory as long as your scouting and personnel departments are capable of determining the BPA.
 
Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine. "Look at Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco," he said. "Cam has got those types of physical attributes. He's a tall, powerful young man. He's got great athletic ability. He might be the best athlete of all of them. Again, the one thing he does have is a great arm, and he's a winner."

source USA Today

If the owner defer's to the head coach Newton is the man

 
Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine. "Look at Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco," he said. "Cam has got those types of physical attributes. He's a tall, powerful young man. He's got great athletic ability. He might be the best athlete of all of them. Again, the one thing he does have is a great arm, and he's a winner."source USA TodayIf the owner defer's to the head coach Newton is the man
The Panthers are sending out missed signals as all teams with the #1 pick do. I like Cam if he's not drafted by the Panthers.
 
Being reported here locally that the Panthers have made the decision to draft Newton.

Seriously!!!

 
Panthers do homework on Newton

Excerpt:

Peter King

Posted: Monday April 11, 2011 1:46AM ; Updated: Monday April 11, 2011 10:17AM

A very interesting package was shipped from Brenham, Texas, to Charlotte late Friday.

Four game tapes of 2009 Blinn (Texas) College football games, with Cam Newton quarterbacking, were packed off to the Carolina Panthers.

"They wanted to see a little more tape,'' the offensive coordinator and quarterback coach of that junior college team, Ronny Feldman, told me Friday night. "Of all the teams looking at him here, Carolina's been the big one. They called me twice this week.''

I talked to Carolina GM Marty Hurney the other day, and though he didn't give me a clue about who the Panthers plan to pick with the first overall choice ("We've got time,'' Hurney said, "and maybe our list changes before the first round begins''), it's beginning to look a lot like Newton. More and more, the Panthers seem to be getting comfortable with the idea of choosing a player with only 284 major-college passes ... in some part because of the year he spent righting his football and personal life at a junior college, Blinn, 45 minutes outside Houston.

The Panthers haven't seen Blinn tape yet, and it will probably be the last tape they watch before finalizing their decision on Newton. But it's a sign they're pretty far down the road on him if they're going to look at how Newton played in what's probably the equivalent of a good Division I-AA football season. Blinn won the National Junior College Athletic Association championship in Newton's year there. Most of the kids on the team are 18 or 19, stopping off for a year or two on the way to -- they hope -- better things.

In his year under Feldman, Newton played in what's close to the kind of "Pistol'' offense run at Nevada. In the Pistol, the quarterback stands about halfway back to where a passer would take a snap in the shotgun -- maybe four yards instead of the deeper seven -- giving him the ball faster and allowing him to make decisions quicker while still being able to analyze the defense before the snap. Junior college football is often discounted totally, like it never happened, like it would have been better for Newton (in this case) to have sat for another mostly inactive year at Florida behind Tim Tebow, playing only in garbage time. How good is the quality of football? Inconsistent, depending on the weekly opponent; Newton's team rolled up 83 points on Cisco (Texas) Junior College. Four skill players from that 2009 team ended up at Auburn, Houston, Texas Tech and Southern Miss.

But the Blinn year's a mystery, the missing year in Newton's life to a lot of people, including some in the NFL. Feldman said about 10 teams "have been through here'' looking for information on Newton, as NFL teams should seek given the quarterback's questionable background (possession of a stolen laptop, accusations of cheating in class) at Florida. For the record, Newton started all 12 Blinn games, completing 61 percent of his passes in an offense strange to him, with 22 touchdown passes and five interceptions. He averaged nine rushes per game and ran for 655 yards and 16 touchdowns. But more than football, NFL teams want to know what Newton was like in the year (January through December 2009) after he left Florida and before he went to Auburn.

One thing he wasn't was phony, said Feldman, who's livid about the impression that Newton's a fake. "I heard somebody on the radio the other day talk about his fake smile and how he's not genuine. That guy is full of s--- with a capital 'S.' He doesn't know Cam!

"I was with him day after day, side by side, for a year," added Feldman, now Blinn's head coach. "I can't say enough good things about him. He's a yes-sir, no-sir kid, 100 percent trustworthy, with a strong passion to compete at anything. What a strong, strong leader.

"The first day here [in the offseason] they were all lifting, going after it hard. When it was over, they all thought it was done. But Cam, who doesn't even know these guys yet, says, 'I'm gonna be out there throwing if anyone wants to come.' Five or six go out. The next day, 10 or 15 are out with him. He comes in and says to me, 'Coach, you got five or six pass plays from our playbook you could draw up? We're going out there and we want to run some of our plays.' I said, "Wooooooo.' Then, later in the week, I see him out there running the stadium stairs, and a couple days later, he's got a bunch of guys out there with him. A natural leader, a strong, strong leader. Charismatic.

"And he just played great for us after the first two or three weeks. He was rusty at first. But then he showed he could do whatever he wanted. The last game, our championship game against Fort Scott [Kansas], we're down 18 [actually 16] in the third quarter, and he hurts his shoulder in the first half, and he can't really throw it in the second half. But he plays the option and brings us back and we win it.''

Feldman's a trip, a longtime coach in Texas who talks like Bum Phillips. Very opinionated about Newton and what's he's been through this offseason. Very sure he's never seen anyone like him in 28 years of coaching football.

"A few times,'' he said, "I'd be sitting in my office late, watching tape, trying to figure out what we'd do in the game that week. He'd call and say, 'What are you doing? Can I come up and watch with you?' And he'd come up and we'd go over things. He just loved it. The best way I can say it with Cam about football is, he's just ate up with it.''

I asked Feldman if Newton ever had the kind of problems at Blinn that he had at Florida. Absolutely not, he said. And the quarterback who said he wanted to be an entertainer and an icon as well as a great player ... Feldman never saw that guy. So Blinn becomes a piece of the puzzle that would lead Carolina to do what many now think is very likely -- pick Newton first overall in the draft.

In the past three autumns, Newton has been in three football towns in the deep south and southwest: Gainesville, Brenham and Auburn. All three places -- Florida negatively, Blinn positively and Auburn famously -- will play a part in where he gets picked 17 days from now. I hope you have a little better feel of Newton's little-known year now.

 
Panthers do homework. Grade F coming. A quick HC career for Rivera.

Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine. "Look at Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco," he said. "Cam has got those types of physical attributes. He's a tall, powerful young man. He's got great athletic ability. He might be the best athlete of all of them. Again, the one thing he does have is a great arm, and he's a winner."

You forgot to check one of the important quaities of a QB. Ability to read a D. Newton = Vince Young in that area.

 
If Rivera is going to hitch his first head coaching job to Newton then that should tell you just how bad Clausen sucks.

I wish the Panthers would not try and get cute and draft Peterson or Green at #1 unless someone wanted to trade. There is simply no sense in taking a risky qb pick at #1 when they wasted the 2nd and 3rd rounder last year and when they have no 2nd round pick this year. They need bodies, not projects. Plus there is the incredible likelyhood that they are looking at Luck this time next year.

 
If Rivera is going to hitch his first head coaching job to Newton then that should tell you just how bad Clausen sucks. I wish the Panthers would not try and get cute and draft Peterson or Green at #1 unless someone wanted to trade. There is simply no sense in taking a risky qb pick at #1 when they wasted the 2nd and 3rd rounder last year and when they have no 2nd round pick this year. They need bodies, not projects. Plus there is the incredible likelyhood that they are looking at Luck this time next year.
I really wish they would pick Green or Peterson too, but I doubt it. :(
 
Another vote for Peterson or Green. If Newton is the pick, it's going to be a long year. Incredible athlete, but I don't know if he has what it takes to study and learn the game. Once he gets his check, I'm truly afraid he becomes another Jamarcus Russell.

 
Panthers do homework. Grade F coming. A quick HC career for Rivera.

Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine. "Look at Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco," he said. "Cam has got those types of physical attributes. He's a tall, powerful young man. He's got great athletic ability. He might be the best athlete of all of them. Again, the one thing he does have is a great arm, and he's a winner."

You forgot to check one of the important quaities of a QB. Ability to read a D. Newton = Vince Young in that area.
You left off the most important thing, his accuracy is awful.
 
Panthers do homework. Grade F coming. A quick HC career for Rivera.

Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine. "Look at Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco," he said. "Cam has got those types of physical attributes. He's a tall, powerful young man. He's got great athletic ability. He might be the best athlete of all of them. Again, the one thing he does have is a great arm, and he's a winner."

You forgot to check one of the important quaities of a QB. Ability to read a D. Newton = Vince Young in that area.
It doesn’t seem like Ben reads defenses all that well either
 
If Rivera is going to hitch his first head coaching job to Newton then that should tell you just how bad Clausen sucks. I wish the Panthers would not try and get cute and draft Peterson or Green at #1 unless someone wanted to trade. There is simply no sense in taking a risky qb pick at #1 when they wasted the 2nd and 3rd rounder last year and when they have no 2nd round pick this year. They need bodies, not projects. Plus there is the incredible likelyhood that they are looking at Luck this time next year.
I will be annoyed too if they draft Newton, but I doubt they finish dead last again. It is almost easier to predict the SB winner at this time of year versus picking the worst of the NFL. At this time last year, many thought the Packers were SB bound, and Tampa was flat-out the worst team in the league (coupled by St. Louis).Where I am going with this is that there is too small of a chance that Luck will be available to them unless Luck finds himself lost at Stanford without Harbaugh and drops a bit in the draft...and if that happens, it is kind of a red flag. I would still prefer Luck to Newton (by a long shot), so I think they should draft the best non-QB at #1 and see what happens next year.
 
Panthers do homework. Grade F coming. A quick HC career for Rivera.

Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine.
If Rivera is going to hitch his first head coaching job to Newton then that should tell you just how bad Clausen sucks.
My question is why is Rivera, a new HC, getting all the attention, and why was John Fox the sole scapegoat for last year's miserable team?

Why is their idiot GM Marty Hurney always seemingly made of Teflon? He drafted Clausen, he drafted Dwayne Jarrett (both in the 2nd round), he wasted another 2nd to trade up in the 3rd and take Armanti freakin' Edwards, and he is responsible for a whole roster full of stiffs that resulted in them having the #1 overall pick this year. Why is Hurney always getting a free pass on all this??!!

 
Another vote for Peterson or Green. If Newton is the pick, it's going to be a long year. Incredible athlete, but I don't know if he has what it takes to study and learn the game. Once he gets his check, I'm truly afraid he becomes another Jamarcus Russell.
I don't see Cam being another Russell. But I'm afraid of taking him first in the draft. I'm glad Russell turned out the way he did because it gives Newton an idea of what can happen if you don't work hard to be the best. I'd rather draft Peterson, but if they go Newton, I don't think he'll flop. I'm hoping for a big Ben type player. Not the greatest numbers in the league, but knows how to win.
 
Has Newton mentioned that he would like to be drafted by Carolina? It seems Luck certainly doesn't. Maybe Luck would pull a Manning and demand a trade or something.

Wish the Panthers could trade DWill to Buff or Denver for their first round pick and select Peterson or Green with Newton.

 
Panthers do homework. Grade F coming. A quick HC career for Rivera.

Rivera appeared ready to put Newton in another special class at the combine.
If Rivera is going to hitch his first head coaching job to Newton then that should tell you just how bad Clausen sucks.
My question is why is Rivera, a new HC, getting all the attention, and why was John Fox the sole scapegoat for last year's miserable team?

Why is their idiot GM Marty Hurney always seemingly made of Teflon? He drafted Clausen, he drafted Dwayne Jarrett (both in the 2nd round), he wasted another 2nd to trade up in the 3rd and take Armanti freakin' Edwards, and he is responsible for a whole roster full of stiffs that resulted in them having the #1 overall pick this year. Why is Hurney always getting a free pass on all this??!!
I agree that Hurney has made some really bad picks, but he's also had some that have panned out. Still too early to tell, but Hardy and Gettis in the 6th round and Goodson in the 4th round. last year each played solidly and have the ability to do well. We always seem to remember the bad picks (Jarrett, Clausen, Edwards), and quickly dismiss the other picks (DeWill, Stewart, Otah, Kalil 2nd, Connor 3rd, Anderson 3rd, Charles Johnson 3rd). I really want to beat Hurney with a stick sometimes, but he's been better than a lot of GM's. He's just had some misses that have affected us recently and a couple of picks he moved up to get that haven't reached where we'd like them to be (Clausen, Edwards, Brown). Last year was a result of not having a veteran QB on the roster and a multitude of injuries (14 players in IR). A lot of the blame also goes to Jerry Richardson and his veteran purge to get the cap as low as possible. Because of that move, he currently has the 2nd least amount of money tied up in salaries behind Tampa I believe which gives Carolina some room to move once free agency becomes available, although a lot of that money should be tied up in re-signing some of our core players (Charles Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, Thomas Davis).

 
My question is why is Rivera, a new HC, getting all the attention, and why was John Fox the sole scapegoat for last year's miserable team? Why is their idiot GM Marty Hurney always seemingly made of Teflon? He drafted Clausen, he drafted Dwayne Jarrett (both in the 2nd round), he wasted another 2nd to trade up in the 3rd and take Armanti freakin' Edwards, and he is responsible for a whole roster full of stiffs that resulted in them having the #1 overall pick this year. Why is Hurney always getting a free pass on all this??!!
Jerry Richardson.
 
I agree that Hurney has made some really bad picks, but he's also had some that have panned out. Still too early to tell, but Hardy and Gettis in the 6th round and Goodson in the 4th round. last year each played solidly and have the ability to do well. We always seem to remember the bad picks (Jarrett, Clausen, Edwards), and quickly dismiss the other picks (DeWill, Stewart, Otah, Kalil 2nd, Connor 3rd, Anderson 3rd, Charles Johnson 3rd). I really want to beat Hurney with a stick sometimes, but he's been better than a lot of GM's. He's just had some misses that have affected us recently and a couple of picks he moved up to get that haven't reached where we'd like them to be (Clausen, Edwards, Brown). Last year was a result of not having a veteran QB on the roster and a multitude of injuries (14 players in IR). A lot of the blame also goes to Jerry Richardson and his veteran purge to get the cap as low as possible. Because of that move, he currently has the 2nd least amount of money tied up in salaries behind Tampa I believe which gives Carolina some room to move once free agency becomes available, although a lot of that money should be tied up in re-signing some of our core players (Charles Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, Thomas Davis).
Pretty good answer, thanks. You're right that the failures are usually the ones remembered, and also that Richardson's salary reduction moves had a big effect. I still wouldn't have much faith in Hurney if I were a Panthers fan, but that can be said of a lot of GMs. We fans sitting here in our easy chairs always know more than they do, right?
 
Has Newton mentioned that he would like to be drafted by Carolina? It seems Luck certainly doesn't. Maybe Luck would pull a Manning and demand a trade or something.Wish the Panthers could trade DWill to Buff or Denver for their first round pick and select Peterson or Green with Newton.
Sorry. Had to chuckle at that one.
 
Newton's rise is tough to explain

Adam Caplan

Updated Apr 15, 2011 2:20 PM ET

The Carolina Panthers are looking for a franchise quarterback — or at least they aren’t denying that they are.

The Panthers might have thought they had one in Jimmy Clausen last year, but their public affection for former Auburn University quarterback Cam Newton could suggest otherwise.

Despite some harsh comments from various NFL draft analysts in recent weeks, Newton’s draft value seems to have stabilized — or has it?

Demand Outpaces Supply

There has been speculation in recent weeks that there could be seven quarterbacks who will be selected within the first 45 picks. That could explain why it seems unlikely Newton will drop very far if the Panthers pass on him.

The reason?

There simply are not enough good, young quarterbacks currently in the NFL to develop.

“If you have your eye on one, you won’t be able to wait until the next round to get him. And you can’t really count on trading up,” a high-ranking NFC personnel executive told FOXSports.com. “So, if you have your eye on a quarterback, you better go get him with that pick and not screw around, especially because the draft is before free agency and you really don’t know your other options at this point. It’s a bit different this year.”

But it’s not just the quarterback position that lacks available top-end talent.

“I think Cam Newton is apt to be pushed up the draft this year because we’re lacking in a lot of the blue-chip guys,” former NFL head coach and current NFL on FOX analyst Brian Billick said. “This is as small as a blue-chip class as I can recall. I think (Patrick) Peterson, I think Von Miller and (Marcell) Dareus are blue-chip players. They are not once-in-a-generation Pro Bowl players, but I think they are pretty darn good. After that, there are good players such as Prince Amukamara. You have (Anthony) Costanzo and some other players.”

There are simply some drafts where you have few other options at the top.

“It reminds me of the 2005 draft,” Billick explained. “It’s not that Alex Smith deserved to go No. 1 and I think (former San Francisco 49ers head coach) Mike Nolan would tell you this, not because the 49ers thought he was a can’t-miss player as much as when you look at all of the alternatives, that wasn’t a great year (for talent). Yeah, they needed a quarterback, but that as much as anything else pushed him up the board. I think that, as much as anything else, is pushing Cam Newton up. There are needs every year.”

Excitement Factor/Surprising Traits

Newton’s one-year statistics at Auburn were off the charts.

He threw for 30 touchdowns and ran for 20 more.

While Newton only threw the ball 16 more times than he ran it last season, it wasn’t as though he just decided to run on his own. Despite what some might have thought, having Newton run was actually the design of the plays.

“In that offense, those were called runs. He didn’t run on his own,” NFL Films’ Greg Cosell told FOXSports.com. “When the pocket got a little muddied, and it’s an absolute positive, he didn’t run. He did not break down and was very comfortable. There were many times when there were bodies around him and he stood there and threw it. That’s a definite positive at the next level.”

While Newton is considered to be a raw talent, he has traits that translate well to the NFL, according to Cosell.

“I think he has potential because he has a hose for an arm. There’s no question that he can make every throw. But I think he lacks a little touch at this point as well. And as I said before, he’s willing to stand in there. Not many young quarterbacks with such little experience are willing to do that.”

Inexperience

While there’s an excitement factor that comes along with Newton, NFL personnel evaluators know he only started one year at the Division-I level, so he has very little playing experience. And because he ran so much, he didn’t have to go through passing progressions like he’ll be asked to do at the NFL level. And while his statistics were great, he still missed on throws that he’ll have to make in the future.

“I think he has a long way to go. My biggest concern with him would be his erratic accuracy,” Cosell explained. “Many times, quarterbacks who are erratic with their accuracy have a hard time having that corrected. Even though he has some mechanical flaws that can be corrected, that doesn’t automatically translate into improved accuracy. Then we’re getting into the learning curve and how quickly he can assimilate information, which teams have to figure that out how much he can do because of the offense that he played in.”

Pressure to play right away

Years ago, teams would be willing to let the quarterback sit behind a veteran for a few seasons. For example, Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers behind Brett Favre for three seasons.

Those days are over. There’s pressure not only to play the quarterback early on, but to show that the player is on the right path.

“Well, I think you feel the pressure to make the right decision on the quarterback to begin with,” another high-ranking executive said. “To make sure he’s making progress. I don’t think that there are many quarterbacks that are selected high that will sit their whole first year. When they come in and they are ready to go, it’s important that they get that confidence going. You don’t want to push them before they’re ready either, but if they can get some meaningful experience in that first year, that could go a long way.”

And surrounding Newton with a good nucleus around him will help.

“You want to protect him. Set him up for success as much as possible. When you look at Carolina, they have some good players on offense. Especially at running back and they can protect him with that offensive line. You’re setting him up for success that way. Maybe his situation could go a little quicker than other situations where you don’t have that foundation for him,” the executive added.

Spread offense vs. drop-back style

While teams in the NFL like quarterbacks who have good athleticism and mobility, it has become increasingly difficult to evaluate the position at the college level because most of them play in spread offenses. Newton played in a spread-option scheme at Auburn.

But to minimize the spread scheme at the NFL level wouldn’t be entirely correct.

“You watch the Super Bowl and you watch the way Aaron Rodgers played, you watch the way (Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback) Ben Roethlisberger (played). Yeah, they were under center. But also they were in shotgun an awful lot, too,” Panthers head coach Ron Rivera said during the recent NFL owners meetings. “As we look at this process, we're trying to sit there and go, 'Hey, he's in shotgun an awful lot.' You can sit there and do that with almost all the quarterbacks in the league. Talk about what Indianapolis does, and in some situations, what San Diego does. It's not like he's going to go from being in shotgun the majority of the time to now he's going to be under the center if there's 60 plays, he's under center 55 times. So that's kind of an unfair depiction of what these guys can and can't do.”

Risk vs. Reward

When you’re thinking about using a high draft pick on a quarterback who has little playing experience, there’s a tremendous risk associated with the selection. While Newton’s upside is clearly there, the downside is obvious.

“I certainly understand why everyone is in a fuss over him. There’s the ‘wow’ factor associated with this player,” said one veteran pro personnel chief who has studied projected first-round quarterbacks for many years. “But you had better have a good front office that understands what they’re getting. He’s a long way from being able to be the guy who you are going to build your offense around.”

And one thing is for sure, you will be hard-pressed to find anyone involved in NFL scouting who believes Newton will be ready to be the full-time starter in his first year.

“Again, it’s setting realistic expectations,” the pro personnel chief explained further. “If you are willing to be patient, and he’s willing to work hard at it, you could be looking at a pretty interesting player down the road. I think possibly a pretty good player. But if he doesn’t have a good support system in place, he could be a major failure. Look at the kid (JaMarcus Russell) who was with (the) Oakland (Raiders).”

 
Great post Faust. :goodposting:

I am sooo up in the air with the decision to draft Cam Newton with the #1 pick, but I think ultimately it's the best decision for a struggling offense without a lot of options. Carolina definitely needs a QB. There is a small chance that Clausen or Matt Moore will improve under a different coaching philosophy, but I think we can agree, neither of those guys are franchise-type QBs. In this day and age in the NFL, the QB is so key to it's team's success. Those that have one, have a greater chance of winning. It's that simple. Sure a strong defense or a wow-play on special teams in any given week could be the difference between a win and a loss, but ultimately the QB keeps drives alive and makes positive plays.

Is Cam Newton that guy? Can he evolve into that guy? Or better yet, can the Panthers coaching staff get him to that level? That is the HUGE question that many fans want to know right now.

What should the Panthers do? If they don't take a QB (Newton) with the first pick, they don't have a 2nd round pick, which means they will have to wait until the 3rd round to select a QB. Could a guy like Colin Kaepernick, who transitioned well at the Senior Bowl in a pro-style offense, be there at 3.01? That's doubtful. Carolina would likely have to move up into the 2nd round to get a shot at him. While he has some impressive abilities, he's no sure thing. If they were to wait on a QB they would have to have a trade partner already in place before the draft. They can't not take Newton and hope to "find a way" into the 2nd round or late first hoping to find their man. Another reason a trade seems unlikely is because they can't include players in trades without a new CBA.



Having said all of that...

Barring a late trade offer from WAS, MIN or TEN, I think they go with Newton at 1.01 and hope to find a good DT or OG at 3.01. Would I be surprised if they somehow turned 3.01 into a 2nd round pick? Not at all. They've done it before.

 
Great post Faust. :goodposting:

I am sooo up in the air with the decision to draft Cam Newton with the #1 pick, but I think ultimately it's the best decision for a struggling offense without a lot of options. Carolina definitely needs a QB. There is a small chance that Clausen or Matt Moore will improve under a different coaching philosophy, but I think we can agree, neither of those guys are franchise-type QBs. In this day and age in the NFL, the QB is so key to it's team's success. Those that have one, have a greater chance of winning. It's that simple. Sure a strong defense or a wow-play on special teams in any given week could be the difference between a win and a loss, but ultimately the QB keeps drives alive and makes positive plays.

Is Cam Newton that guy? Can he evolve into that guy? Or better yet, can the Panthers coaching staff get him to that level? That is the HUGE question that many fans want to know right now.

What should the Panthers do? If they don't take a QB (Newton) with the first pick, they don't have a 2nd round pick, which means they will have to wait until the 3rd round to select a QB. Could a guy like Colin Kaepernick, who transitioned well at the Senior Bowl in a pro-style offense, be there at 3.01? That's doubtful. Carolina would likely have to move up into the 2nd round to get a shot at him. While he has some impressive abilities, he's no sure thing. If they were to wait on a QB they would have to have a trade partner already in place before the draft. They can't not take Newton and hope to "find a way" into the 2nd round or late first hoping to find their man. Another reason a trade seems unlikely is because they can't include players in trades without a new CBA.



Having said all of that...

Barring a late trade offer from WAS, MIN or TEN, I think they go with Newton at 1.01 and hope to find a good DT or OG at 3.01. Would I be surprised if they somehow turned 3.01 into a 2nd round pick? Not at all. They've done it before.
The smart money would be to sign a FA QB, even if it's a stop gap, and take the BPA at 1.01 if they can't trade down. The BPA isn't a QB. They will probably suck enough this year to be able to draft a QB in a more QB draft friendly year in 2012.
 
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Great post Faust. :goodposting:

I am sooo up in the air with the decision to draft Cam Newton with the #1 pick, but I think ultimately it's the best decision for a struggling offense without a lot of options. Carolina definitely needs a QB. There is a small chance that Clausen or Matt Moore will improve under a different coaching philosophy, but I think we can agree, neither of those guys are franchise-type QBs. In this day and age in the NFL, the QB is so key to it's team's success. Those that have one, have a greater chance of winning. It's that simple. Sure a strong defense or a wow-play on special teams in any given week could be the difference between a win and a loss, but ultimately the QB keeps drives alive and makes positive plays.

Is Cam Newton that guy? Can he evolve into that guy? Or better yet, can the Panthers coaching staff get him to that level? That is the HUGE question that many fans want to know right now.

What should the Panthers do? If they don't take a QB (Newton) with the first pick, they don't have a 2nd round pick, which means they will have to wait until the 3rd round to select a QB. Could a guy like Colin Kaepernick, who transitioned well at the Senior Bowl in a pro-style offense, be there at 3.01? That's doubtful. Carolina would likely have to move up into the 2nd round to get a shot at him. While he has some impressive abilities, he's no sure thing. If they were to wait on a QB they would have to have a trade partner already in place before the draft. They can't not take Newton and hope to "find a way" into the 2nd round or late first hoping to find their man. Another reason a trade seems unlikely is because they can't include players in trades without a new CBA.



Having said all of that...

Barring a late trade offer from WAS, MIN or TEN, I think they go with Newton at 1.01 and hope to find a good DT or OG at 3.01. Would I be surprised if they somehow turned 3.01 into a 2nd round pick? Not at all. They've done it before.
The smart money would be to sign a FA QB, even if it's a stop gap, and take the BPA at 1.01 if they can't trade down. The BPA isn't a QB. They will probably suck enough this year to be able to draft a QB in a more QB draft friendly year in 2012.
Totally agree with this. With all of the wasted picks that I have detailed above a project QB that is years away from maybe being above average is too risky. Get Peterson or Green and sign a vet QB and see what happens next year. So if you pick Newton you have invested 2 of your past top picks on qbs, traded away this years #2 for a kick returner at best and used last years number 3 on the KR that you moved up to get. Makes no sense. The panthers need bodies not projects. WHy would you draft someone at #1 knowing they have a ton and I mean a ton of work to do before they are ready to see the field? Why would a new coach want to risk his career for that? Makes no sense. Get people on the team that can play and have an impact. Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
 
Great post Faust. :goodposting:

I am sooo up in the air with the decision to draft Cam Newton with the #1 pick, but I think ultimately it's the best decision for a struggling offense without a lot of options. Carolina definitely needs a QB. There is a small chance that Clausen or Matt Moore will improve under a different coaching philosophy, but I think we can agree, neither of those guys are franchise-type QBs. In this day and age in the NFL, the QB is so key to it's team's success. Those that have one, have a greater chance of winning. It's that simple. Sure a strong defense or a wow-play on special teams in any given week could be the difference between a win and a loss, but ultimately the QB keeps drives alive and makes positive plays.

Is Cam Newton that guy? Can he evolve into that guy? Or better yet, can the Panthers coaching staff get him to that level? That is the HUGE question that many fans want to know right now.

What should the Panthers do? If they don't take a QB (Newton) with the first pick, they don't have a 2nd round pick, which means they will have to wait until the 3rd round to select a QB. Could a guy like Colin Kaepernick, who transitioned well at the Senior Bowl in a pro-style offense, be there at 3.01? That's doubtful. Carolina would likely have to move up into the 2nd round to get a shot at him. While he has some impressive abilities, he's no sure thing. If they were to wait on a QB they would have to have a trade partner already in place before the draft. They can't not take Newton and hope to "find a way" into the 2nd round or late first hoping to find their man. Another reason a trade seems unlikely is because they can't include players in trades without a new CBA.



Having said all of that...

Barring a late trade offer from WAS, MIN or TEN, I think they go with Newton at 1.01 and hope to find a good DT or OG at 3.01. Would I be surprised if they somehow turned 3.01 into a 2nd round pick? Not at all. They've done it before.
The smart money would be to sign a FA QB, even if it's a stop gap, and take the BPA at 1.01 if they can't trade down. The BPA isn't a QB. They will probably suck enough this year to be able to draft a QB in a more QB draft friendly year in 2012.
Totally agree with this. With all of the wasted picks that I have detailed above a project QB that is years away from maybe being above average is too risky. Get Peterson or Green and sign a vet QB and see what happens next year. So if you pick Newton you have invested 2 of your past top picks on qbs, traded away this years #2 for a kick returner at best and used last years number 3 on the KR that you moved up to get. Makes no sense. The panthers need bodies not projects. WHy would you draft someone at #1 knowing they have a ton and I mean a ton of work to do before they are ready to see the field? Why would a new coach want to risk his career for that? Makes no sense. Get people on the team that can play and have an impact. Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
I think CAR will go after a FA QB regardless of who they draft. They have the cap space. I'd like to see them go after Hasselbeck or Bruce Gradkowski. Billy Volek is always a thought too, if they were desperate. Not having a FA period before the draft is putting a lot of teams in a tough position.
 
'pantherclub said:
Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
Why not? Do you think the Panthers will be contending for a playoff spot next year? The year after? If not, what's the big hurry? It seems like now is the perfect time to develop a QB so he's ready to play if/when they get the rest of the team turned around.
 
'pantherclub said:
Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
Why not? Do you think the Panthers will be contending for a playoff spot next year? The year after? If not, what's the big hurry? It seems like now is the perfect time to develop a QB so he's ready to play if/when they get the rest of the team turned around.
Because what if he busts? Then you are looking at 5 years+ of being behind the 8 ball. The Panthers need bodies not QB projects. You figure if he sits this year, then plays some next year then is a full timer in year 3. Then you have to give him a couple years to get going so what happens if he busts after year 5. Then you are starting the same cycle over and over again.I would say get people who can play, get VOlek or someone to manage the game, and next year get a qb if the opportunity arises that is not as big of a risk as Newton. Lets be honest here, everyone understands Newton is years away from even being servicable.
 
'pantherclub said:
Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
Why not? Do you think the Panthers will be contending for a playoff spot next year? The year after? If not, what's the big hurry? It seems like now is the perfect time to develop a QB so he's ready to play if/when they get the rest of the team turned around.
Completely agree with this philosophy. However, it just depends on how/where you project Cam. I don't see anything in him that warrants a 1st round selection, let alone the #1 overall. I would take one of players who is closer to a sure thing, can't miss prospect (e.g., Green, Peterson) and develop around that. Even if corner or WR isn't the biggest area of need, their needs are pretty-much everywhere, and at some point, they have to stop blindly chasing after bad players. They need talent on their team more than they need a project like Newton who is going to be an epic fail at the pro level.
 
'pantherclub said:
Newton maybe as good as Big Ben but is it worth it for the panthers to sit him for 2-3 years to see if he develops. I say hell no they dont have that luxury now.
Why not? Do you think the Panthers will be contending for a playoff spot next year? The year after? If not, what's the big hurry? It seems like now is the perfect time to develop a QB so he's ready to play if/when they get the rest of the team turned around.
Completely agree with this philosophy. However, it just depends on how/where you project Cam. I don't see anything in him that warrants a 1st round selection, let alone the #1 overall. I would take one of players who is closer to a sure thing, can't miss prospect (e.g., Green, Peterson) and develop around that. Even if corner or WR isn't the biggest area of need, their needs are pretty-much everywhere, and at some point, they have to stop blindly chasing after bad players. They need talent on their team more than they need a project like Newton who is going to be an epic fail at the pro level.
Good points from both. I just think with the wasted top 3 round picks from the past 3 years that we have way more needs then a project QB that not everyone is sold on.
 
"ESPN's Adam Schefter continues to believe the Panthers will select Auburn QB Cam Newton at No. 1 overall.

Schefter was similarly confident the Rams would take Sam Bradford at No. 1 last season, so his prediction is likely a sound one. On the chance Newton does slip by Carolina at No. 1, Schefter has been told by a rival GM that he would then not make it past the Bills at No. 3."

 
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Provided the Panthers do take Newton, it would be in their best interest to limit his pass attempts in his first year only making timely passes and mostly short to intermediate ranged passes. Very similar to what Pittsburgh did with Roethlisberger in his rookie year. It will help build his confidence and get him used to the speed and disguises of NFL defenses. With that approach they will need to rely heavily on the running game, which they have. The return of Jeff Otah and maybe a 3rd round OG will help shore up the running game. If Newton truly is a leader and a winner, the Panthers can win with that philosophy. Can they make a run in the division? Probably not, but I can definitely see them improving. They have a ton of cap space thanks to Richardson and Hurney's "saving for the winter" approach. They can improve the DL and secondary via FA that other teams don't necessarily have the luxury of. I say draft Newton and groom him into the face of the franchise, while adding key FA's along the way.

 
Provided the Panthers do take Newton, it would be in their best interest to limit his pass attempts in his first year only making timely passes and mostly short to intermediate ranged passes. Very similar to what Pittsburgh did with Roethlisberger in his rookie year. It will help build his confidence and get him used to the speed and disguises of NFL defenses. With that approach they will need to rely heavily on the running game, which they have. The return of Jeff Otah and maybe a 3rd round OG will help shore up the running game. If Newton truly is a leader and a winner, the Panthers can win with that philosophy. Can they make a run in the division? Probably not, but I can definitely see them improving. They have a ton of cap space thanks to Richardson and Hurney's "saving for the winter" approach. They can improve the DL and secondary via FA that other teams don't necessarily have the luxury of. I say draft Newton and groom him into the face of the franchise, while adding key FA's along the way.
If they throw him to the wolves his first year I say that guarantees he will be a bust. That would ruin this kid. The best thing is for him not to even play for two years.
 
Provided the Panthers do take Newton, it would be in their best interest to limit his pass attempts in his first year only making timely passes and mostly short to intermediate ranged passes. Very similar to what Pittsburgh did with Roethlisberger in his rookie year. It will help build his confidence and get him used to the speed and disguises of NFL defenses. With that approach they will need to rely heavily on the running game, which they have. The return of Jeff Otah and maybe a 3rd round OG will help shore up the running game. If Newton truly is a leader and a winner, the Panthers can win with that philosophy. Can they make a run in the division? Probably not, but I can definitely see them improving. They have a ton of cap space thanks to Richardson and Hurney's "saving for the winter" approach. They can improve the DL and secondary via FA that other teams don't necessarily have the luxury of. I say draft Newton and groom him into the face of the franchise, while adding key FA's along the way.
If they throw him to the wolves his first year I say that guarantees he will be a bust. That would ruin this kid. The best thing is for him not to even play for two years.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that. He needs to learn, but at the same time, his offensive ability and leadership can help the Panthers now. Look at all of the rookie QBs who have not fallen on their face in year one... Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Vince Young and to some extent Matthew Stafford. If Newton can finish somewhere in the mix of those rookie QBs before him, there's hope for him developing into a franchise QB in the years to come.
 

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