Parcells Press Conference (1 Viewer)

[Wilbur Wood]

Of course he looks tired. He took the job under duress since his wife left him and just straight up cleaned him out of his assets. He owed 5Mil on his house and had a job as a studio analyst that at the time wasn't making as much as those spares get now.He had to go back to coaching or else would go broke. Make enough to pay down his debt and pay off his wife to get free and clear and quit. He needed 3 years to do this and Jerry strung him out for at least another one. He's not called the New Jersey Conman for nothing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Chapter 4 - Parcells puts a perennial 5-11 club (3 years running at 5-11) into the playoffs in his first and third years with the club.

Dallas did not make the playoffs last year! See, there you go lying about the facts again.

 

[Whizzinator]

I know some will object to this, but maybe Parcells just isn't the coach he used to be.

I think it's more the case that Parcells was never the coach people think he was. He just happened to have an actual genius coaching his defense along the way and benefitted from that. Parcells 'on his own' is basically Wayne Fontes, and thus it's not shocking that the results and chaos at the end are Fontes like as well...Look at the recordsarcells with Belichick (e.g. what people thought Parcells was): 117-73 (.616 W%), 11-5 playoffs, 2 Super Bowl winsBelichick without Parcells: 104-78 (.571 W%), 11-2 playoffs, 3 Super BowlsSo, Belichick didn't miss Parcells at all.Compared to to thisarcells without Belichick: 49-53 (.480%), 0-2 playoffsFontes: 66-67 (.496 W%), 1-4 playoffsTo me, as he would say, Parcells is exactly as good as his record says he is. His 'alone' record, that is.

 

[redman]

I know some will object to this, but maybe Parcells just isn't the coach he used to be.

I think it's more the case that Parcells was never the coach people think he was. He just happened to have an actual genius coaching his defense along the way and benefitted from that. Parcells 'on his own' is basically Wayne Fontes, and thus it's not shocking that the results and chaos at the end are Fontes like as well...Look at the records:

Parcells with Belichick (e.g. what people thought Parcells was): 117-73 (.616 W%), 11-5 playoffs, 2 Super Bowl wins

Belichick without Parcells: 104-78 (.571 W%), 11-2 playoffs, 3 Super Bowls

So, Belichick didn't miss Parcells at all.

Compared to to this:

Parcells without Belichick: 49-53 (.480%), 0-2 playoffs

Fontes: 66-67 (.496 W%), 1-4 playoffs

To me, as he would say, Parcells is exactly as good as his record says he is. His 'alone' record, that is.

We've discussed this before. While I agree with you in general, I have to say that Wayne Fontes shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Parcells. Parcells has improved every team he's coached; Fontes could never get those Lions teams out of neutral. That he held a job so long without getting canned was miraculous.

 

[Whizzinator]

Fontes was more successful than Parcells has been on his own, though. You don't have to like the conclusion but you have to address it factually, not just discard it because you don't like it, I'd suggest.

Certainly, someone can take the view that splitting Parcells' career as "with Belichick" and "without" isn't fair to Parcells. But the more I look at post-split careers of BB and Parcells the more it looks to me like that's exactly the right way to divide Parcells' career.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tool alert

If proving that you are a liar means I am a tool, then by all means, call me one. Liar.

 

[Whizzinator]

Parcells record is even worse without Tom Coughlin and Al Groh...what's your point?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

While I agree with you in general, I have to say that Wayne Fontes shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Parcells. Parcells has improved every team he's coached; Fontes could never get those Lions teams out of neutral. That he held a job so long without getting canned was miraculous.

I agree, but while Parcells is still a good coach, he no longer appears to be a great one. A good coach can take a bad team and turn them into a good team. Parcells has done that with Dallas.A great coach can take a bad team and turn them into a great team. Parcells no longer seems capable of doing this.

 

[Whizzinator]

I get what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.

That's fine, saying that and backing up your disagreement is a lot more productive than asking "what's your point" if you actually did understand the point.I get hating the Fontes/Parcells comparison and it was done intentionally to get a rise out of people, of course. But the fact is, the records tell a story there, too, if not a completely fair and accurate one.

 

[Whizzinator]

Think it though, though.

It's not true that Coughlin or Groh's departure show the same correlation recordwise, or that their subsequent performance on their own is comparable. It's just not nearly as accurate a comparison.

Similarly, if you can present Crennell's subsequent record as being similar to what BB/Crennel had together, and can show that BB's fell off once Crennell left, then you have something. Of course, we both know that isn't at all the case. When (if?) Weis goes pro, you can try to do so with his record, but I suspect you'll find that won't hold up all that well, either.

It's actually a little more complicated than you suggest, and if you look deeper the Parcells/Belichick thing actually looks a lot stronger. And the number of years involved gives much more confidence that it's real, not just a fluke.

That's just what the records tell us...exactly how Coach Parcells said we should evaluate things.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You'd look tired and disgusted, too, if your offensive and definsive lines just got manhandled for 3 solid hours.

Exactly. Parcells is not the reason they lost the game. Their lines were manhandled for 60 minutes. It was a group effort to suxor as bad they did last night.

 

[Timberlend]

TO sucked the energy out of him...he looks like he's not enjoying football anymore.

Thats BS. TO actually makes this team dynamic and dangerous. Without TO this a 8-8 or 9-7 team. There is no evidence that Parcells is drained of energy due to TO

Has anyone mentioned that they are 3-3 with TO?

You think its got anything to do with Bledsoe? There is a guy who is done like dinner.This whole QB deal with Dallas is like a hole u cant get out of. Romo? Bledsoe? Yuck!

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I stated this at the time that Tuna Chapter IV would follow the same trend as prior sequels and be more disappointing than the precursor.Tuna Chaper 1 - Giants - A Hall of Fame performanceTuna Chapter 2 - Got to the Super Bowl, a very encouraging encore. However, his "halo" starts to be eclipsed by some dark clouds given the circumstances of his departureTuna Chapter 3 - Somewhat of a turnaround, but a real mixed bag. I'm a JETS fan and on balance have more negative feelings than positive feelings about his body of work with the JETS. Left behind bad contracts with old players and his mishandling of the Belicek Succession Plan (which despite the passing of Mr Hess, still could have been executed effectively) was simply unforgiveableTuna Chapter 4 - 1 medicore playoff appearance with a 1st round exit. Stubbornly resisted upgrading the QB position to a needed level (Vinny, followed by Bledsoe). Club will be no better off when he leaves than when he arrived. C'est la vie.

I disagree...Chapter 2 - Parcells puts a 2-14 Patriots club in the playoffs just two seasons after taking over...in his 4th season Parcells takes this same team to the Super Bowl. The three following years after Parcells departs from the Patriots, New England is either in the playoffs or contending with a 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 record. The Patriots key players here are from Parcells regime, including those like Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi and many others who were holdovers on Bill Belichick's Super Bowl Patriot teams.Chapter 3 - Parcells puts a 1-15 Jets club in the AFC Championship after just two years. The following three years after Parcells departs from the Jets, the Jets are either in the playoffs or contending with a 9-7. 10-6, 9-7 record. The Jets key players are all from the Parcells regime.Chapter 4 - Parcells puts a perennial 5-11 club (3 years running at 5-11) into the playoffs in his first and third years with the club. Many key players will be in Dallas long after Parcells is gone such as Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and many others.In each case Parcells took over pitifull teams, and turned them into contenders...and yes Parcells left or will leave (Dallas) each team in far better shape than when he took over.

Try reading before disagreeing. See Chapter 2 - I gave Tuna high marks, but said that his "carpet-bagging" approach to his career starts to taint his halo. I personally give Tuna very little credit for the success of the Pats a few years later -- a completely different team, different regime. Movement from the Big Ego Tuna to the Ego-less BelicekChapter 3 - The 1-15 JETS were a turnaround waiting to happen. They already had ~ 500 talent. Ask real JETS fans for their opinion of Tuna's "value add" to the franchise -- marginal at best.Chapter 4 - He's underachieved with the limitless resources that Jerry Jones makes available. Granted Jerry can be part of the problem at times.Most NFL teams have 2 or 3 good players that are developed over any 2 or 3 year stretch. Tuna was always a "below average" GM/Talent evauator, even in his hey dey. George Young was the Man.

 

[Viva Tequila]

He pulled Bledsoe way too quick in a divisional game. TO had little to do with it. End of story.

Off-topic, but TO made the most critical mistake of the game. That drop was HUGE.

Didn't catch the whole game and missed this play. What were the other 3 plays they ran that didn't produce a first down that made them have to go for it on 4th down?

 

[Rogi]

Maybe Parcells wouldn't look tired if he had face lift. Jerry Jones looks wonderful these days!

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

His face says the season is over.

Yup. His face says "Ive seen this movie before, and I didn't like the ending".

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

He pulled Bledsoe way too quick in a divisional game. TO had little to do with it. End of story.

Off-topic, but TO made the most critical mistake of the game. That drop was HUGE.

Didn't catch the whole game and missed this play. What were the other 3 plays they ran that didn't produce a first down that made them have to go for it on 4th down?

What made that play so critical was that it was 4th down and they desperately needed to convert to get back into the game. What is different in this case than the previous three downs was that he was absolutely wide open, the ball was right on the money, he had a lot of green in front of him where he could have gained another 10 yards or more, and he failed to make the play. He #####es and moans every week about what a big playmaker he is and that they need to put the ball in his hands and he chokes at the most critical point in the game. Add this on top of a dropped TD pass earlier and he's more of a "dropmaker" than a "playmaker".

 

[redman]

Jerry Jones looks wonderful these days!

Especially that nice seam that runs directly from the corner of his eye to his ear. I'll bet he cursed the day that hi-def TV's came out.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I stated this at the time that Tuna Chapter IV would follow the same trend as prior sequels and be more disappointing than the precursor.Tuna Chaper 1 - Giants - A Hall of Fame performanceTuna Chapter 2 - Got to the Super Bowl, a very encouraging encore. However, his "halo" starts to be eclipsed by some dark clouds given the circumstances of his departureTuna Chapter 3 - Somewhat of a turnaround, but a real mixed bag. I'm a JETS fan and on balance have more negative feelings than positive feelings about his body of work with the JETS. Left behind bad contracts with old players and his mishandling of the Belicek Succession Plan (which despite the passing of Mr Hess, still could have been executed effectively) was simply unforgiveableTuna Chapter 4 - 1 medicore playoff appearance with a 1st round exit. Stubbornly resisted upgrading the QB position to a needed level (Vinny, followed by Bledsoe). Club will be no better off when he leaves than when he arrived. C'est la vie.

I disagree...Chapter 2 - Parcells puts a 2-14 Patriots club in the playoffs just two seasons after taking over...in his 4th season Parcells takes this same team to the Super Bowl. The three following years after Parcells departs from the Patriots, New England is either in the playoffs or contending with a 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 record. The Patriots key players here are from Parcells regime, including those like Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi and many others who were holdovers on Bill Belichick's Super Bowl Patriot teams.Chapter 3 - Parcells puts a 1-15 Jets club in the AFC Championship after just two years. The following three years after Parcells departs from the Jets, the Jets are either in the playoffs or contending with a 9-7. 10-6, 9-7 record. The Jets key players are all from the Parcells regime.Chapter 4 - Parcells puts a perennial 5-11 club (3 years running at 5-11) into the playoffs in his first and third years with the club. Many key players will be in Dallas long after Parcells is gone such as Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and many others.In each case Parcells took over pitifull teams, and turned them into contenders...and yes Parcells left or will leave (Dallas) each team in far better shape than when he took over.

Try reading before disagreeing. See Chapter 2 - I gave Tuna high marks, but said that his "carpet-bagging" approach to his career starts to taint his halo. I personally give Tuna very little credit for the success of the Pats a few years later -- a completely different team, different regime. Movement from the Big Ego Tuna to the Ego-less BelicekChapter 3 - The 1-15 JETS were a turnaround waiting to happen. They already had ~ 500 talent. Ask real JETS fans for their opinion of Tuna's "value add" to the franchise -- marginal at best.Chapter 4 - He's underachieved with the limitless resources that Jerry Jones makes available. Granted Jerry can be part of the problem at times.Most NFL teams have 2 or 3 good players that are developed over any 2 or 3 year stretch. Tuna was always a "below average" GM/Talent evauator, even in his hey dey. George Young was the Man.

Chapter 2 - Completely different team, huh? I guess Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weiss had no impact on those Patriot teams, to just name a few. Chapter 3 - .500 talent, huh? So you are saying you prefer Neil O'Donnell and Adrian Murrell to Parcells guys Vinny Testaverde and Curtis Martin? And Kevin Mawae and Brian Cox meant nothing to the Jets run too, right? Chapter 4 - The Dallas team Parcells took over had the worst talent of any roster in the NFL at the time. George Young is the one who brought Parcells on with him. Young and Parcells were basically joined at the hip. So now Parcells is a below average talent evaluator, huh? Tell that to Curtis Martin, Willie McGinest, Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Chad Pennington, John Abraham, Lavernues Coles, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Witten and all the other All-Pro's Parcells has brought to his teams. And that short list doesn't even include the Giants players Parcells had a big hand in bringing on along with Young. Your hate for Parcells shows in your neglecting of the facts

I don't hate Parcells, just tell it like it is.Parcells personally favored Mirer over Bledsoe and Leaf over Manning as pro prospects. Was talked out of Mirer in favor of Bledsoe.Tuna also fumbled the opportunity to bring Peyton Manning out of college as a junior when the JETS at 1-15 had the #1 draft selection. Tuna offered "ho hum" feedback to Manning's handlers during such time as he was "exploring" entering the NFL draft following his Junior campaign.George Young and not Parcells drafted the Giants' talent, implying it was anything else is simply wrong.

 

[Emmitt Smith]

I stated this at the time that Tuna Chapter IV would follow the same trend as prior sequels and be more disappointing than the precursor.Tuna Chaper 1 - Giants - A Hall of Fame performanceTuna Chapter 2 - Got to the Super Bowl, a very encouraging encore. However, his "halo" starts to be eclipsed by some dark clouds given the circumstances of his departureTuna Chapter 3 - Somewhat of a turnaround, but a real mixed bag. I'm a JETS fan and on balance have more negative feelings than positive feelings about his body of work with the JETS. Left behind bad contracts with old players and his mishandling of the Belicek Succession Plan (which despite the passing of Mr Hess, still could have been executed effectively) was simply unforgiveableTuna Chapter 4 - 1 medicore playoff appearance with a 1st round exit. Stubbornly resisted upgrading the QB position to a needed level (Vinny, followed by Bledsoe). Club will be no better off when he leaves than when he arrived. C'est la vie.

I disagree...Chapter 2 - Parcells puts a 2-14 Patriots club in the playoffs just two seasons after taking over...in his 4th season Parcells takes this same team to the Super Bowl. The three following years after Parcells departs from the Patriots, New England is either in the playoffs or contending with a 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 record. The Patriots key players here are from Parcells regime, including those like Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi and many others who were holdovers on Bill Belichick's Super Bowl Patriot teams.Chapter 3 - Parcells puts a 1-15 Jets club in the AFC Championship after just two years. The following three years after Parcells departs from the Jets, the Jets are either in the playoffs or contending with a 9-7. 10-6, 9-7 record. The Jets key players are all from the Parcells regime.Chapter 4 - Parcells puts a perennial 5-11 club (3 years running at 5-11) into the playoffs in his first and third years with the club. Many key players will be in Dallas long after Parcells is gone such as Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and many others.In each case Parcells took over pitifull teams, and turned them into contenders...and yes Parcells left or will leave (Dallas) each team in far better shape than when he took over.

Try reading before disagreeing. See Chapter 2 - I gave Tuna high marks, but said that his "carpet-bagging" approach to his career starts to taint his halo. I personally give Tuna very little credit for the success of the Pats a few years later -- a completely different team, different regime. Movement from the Big Ego Tuna to the Ego-less BelicekChapter 3 - The 1-15 JETS were a turnaround waiting to happen. They already had ~ 500 talent. Ask real JETS fans for their opinion of Tuna's "value add" to the franchise -- marginal at best.Chapter 4 - He's underachieved with the limitless resources that Jerry Jones makes available. Granted Jerry can be part of the problem at times.Most NFL teams have 2 or 3 good players that are developed over any 2 or 3 year stretch. Tuna was always a "below average" GM/Talent evauator, even in his hey dey. George Young was the Man.

Chapter 2 - Completely different team, huh? I guess Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weiss had no impact on those Patriot teams, to just name a few. Chapter 3 - .500 talent, huh? So you are saying you prefer Neil O'Donnell and Adrian Murrell to Parcells guys Vinny Testaverde and Curtis Martin? And Kevin Mawae and Brian Cox meant nothing to the Jets run too, right? Chapter 4 - The Dallas team Parcells took over had the worst talent of any roster in the NFL at the time. George Young is the one who brought Parcells on with him. Young and Parcells were basically joined at the hip. So now Parcells is a below average talent evaluator, huh? Tell that to Curtis Martin, Willie McGinest, Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Chad Pennington, John Abraham, Lavernues Coles, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Witten and all the other All-Pro's Parcells has brought to his teams. And that short list doesn't even include the Giants players Parcells had a big hand in bringing on along with Young. Your hate for Parcells shows in your neglecting of the facts

I don't hate Parcells, just tell it like it is.Parcells personally favored Mirer over Bledsoe and Leaf over Manning as pro prospects. Was talked out of Mirer in favor of Bledsoe.Tuna also fumbled the opportunity to bring Peyton Manning out of college as a junior when the JETS at 1-15 had the #1 draft selection. Tuna offered "ho hum" feedback to Manning's handlers during such time as he was "exploring" entering the NFL draft following his Junior campaign.George Young and not Parcells drafted the Giants' talent, implying it was anything else is simply wrong.

Can I please have some of what you're smoking? That is some POWERFUL stuff.