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Paris, Bruges, Amsterdam trip (1 Viewer)

We left this till the last day, wish we could have spent more time.  4 days doesn't seem like enough for Paris
Glad you did it!  (Sacre Coeur.)  I've been very, very lucky to spend a bit of time in Paris and you're right; no way to cover it all in four days.  My list earlier was more of a menu of options.  I didn't want to get into the Orsay v. Louvre debate, e.g., and it's difficult to do both comprehensively in four days unless you're not planning on seeing much else!  

 
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Glad you did it!  (Sacre Coeur.)  I've been very, very lucky to spend a bit of time in Paris and you're right; no way to cover it all in four days.  My list earlier was more of a menu of options.  I didn't want to get into the Orsay v. Louvre debate, e.g., and it's difficult to do both comprehensively in four days unless you're not planning on seeing much else!  
It's difficult to do the Louvre comprehensively in four years

 
Here was our Paris itin from 6 years ago just to give you an idea of how we grouped things to maximize time.  Did 5 days, 4 nights.  Could have done another day or two.  My son is going back for 8 days on his honeymoon this week. We didn't write down a lot of the restaurants. For steak and frittes this place was great.  Highly recommend.  

https://www.yelp.com/biz/le-relais-de-l-entrecôte-paris-3

The absolute best thing we did was go to the outdoor market and pick everything out to picnic at the Eiffel Tower.  Bakery for break and macarons, cheese shop, deli for meats, produce, wine.  It was fantastic.  I love how they eat. The crepe place in Montmartre was great too.  

Have a blast!

Check in to Hilton Arc De Triomphe Paris Hotel

Dinner

Champs-Elysees – Euro Cup 2012 semifinal celebration by Spain

Wednesday, June 27th

Breakfast

Arc De Triomphe – climbed to the top

Lunch – Chef Salad, outdoor bistro

Louvre Museum

Pont Des Arts Bridge (Love Locks)

Tullieries Gardens

Orangerie Museum

Dinner – Le Relais de l’ Entrecote – Steak and Frittes, Crème Brule

Thursday, June 28th

Breakfast

Notre Dame

Nutella Crepes

Sainte Chapelle

Lunch – Panini’s near Notre Dame

Seine River Cruise

Berthillon ice cream

Walk in Latin Quarter

Musee De Orsay

Dinner – Duck Confit, Roasted Chicken

Friday, June 29th

Breakfast

Food shopping at Place de la Madeleine outdoor market

Lunch on the grass of Champs De Mar in front of the Eiffel Tower – sandwiches, pasta salad, tomato/mozzarella, macaroons from market)

Eiffel Tower

Dinner

Champs-Elysee 

Saturday, June 30th

Breakfast

Lunch

Musee De Army

Hotel De Invalides

Dinner – Pizza

Midnight Champagne at Eiffel Tower

Sunday, July 1st

Montmartre

Sacre-Coeur Basilica

Brunch –Creperie Broceliande

25th Wedding Anniversary Lock Pont Des Arts Bridge

 
Here was our trip in 2016 which included Amsterdam.  Could do in 3 days I think..

Check in to Airbnb apartment (Singel 461)

Walk Rembrandt Plaza

Dinner – Ribs @ Café de Klos

Wednesday, July 13th

Sandeman’s Walking Tour

Anne Frank House

Dinner

Beers - Café Hoppe

Gelato

Thursday, July 14th

Breakfast – Juice to Boost

Shopping

Lunch – Lombardo’s Gourmet Burgers

IAmsterdam Sign

Rijksmuseum

Van Gogh Museum

Dinner – Thai - Phutakun

Holland Fries – VleminckX Sausmeesters

Red Light District

 
Glad you did it!  (Sacre Coeur.)  I've been very, very lucky to spend a bit of time in Paris and you're right; no way to cover it all in four days.  My list earlier was more of a menu of options.  I didn't want to get into the Orsay v. Louvre debate, e.g., and it's difficult to do both comprehensively in four days unless you're not planning on seeing much else!  
We did Paris on my honeymoon.  I learned that my wife does not have the endurance for these museums that I do, but Orsay was easier for us.  Mostly because it is the style we both really like and definitely smaller than the Louvre.  You can turn a corner in the Louvre that you can spend the whole day in. So many great works from so many different eras.  Just a masterpiece of a collection that I can't spend enough time in.

Not that Orsay is small...and both buildings are a work of art themselves.

I find the self portrait of Van Gogh in the Musée d'Orsay probably the most haunting painting I've seen. What a tortured genius.  

 
Also be aware of the tensions between Muslims and the non-Muslim French at the moment.  I had a bathroom attendant at the Gare du Nord tell me he wanted to kill  me a few years back.  Freaked out my 7yo.
Gare du Nord is not for the faint of heart at all. I had to return a car there and it was an...experience.  Made me worried about Sacre Couer (not far from Gare du Nord), but it was completely safe during the day.

I stayed in 16th because it seemed the safest and do not regret it one bit. Full of embassies so you get a lot of Americans/Chinese, but felt very safe.  Seeing guys with assault rifles guarding a synagogue is pretty crazy though.  :shock:

 
Here was our Paris itin from 6 years ago just to give you an idea of how we grouped things to maximize time.  Did 5 days, 4 nights.  Could have done another day or two.  My son is going back for 8 days on his honeymoon this week. We didn't write down a lot of the restaurants. For steak and frittes this place was great.  Highly recommend.  

https://www.yelp.com/biz/le-relais-de-l-entrecôte-paris-3

The absolute best thing we did was go to the outdoor market and pick everything out to picnic at the Eiffel Tower.  Bakery for break and macarons, cheese shop, deli for meats, produce, wine.  It was fantastic.  I love how they eat. The crepe place in Montmartre was great too.  

Have a blast!

Check in to Hilton Arc De Triomphe Paris Hotel

Dinner

Champs-Elysees – Euro Cup 2012 semifinal celebration by Spain

Wednesday, June 27th

Breakfast

Arc De Triomphe – climbed to the top

Lunch – Chef Salad, outdoor bistro

Louvre Museum

Pont Des Arts Bridge (Love Locks)

Tullieries Gardens

Orangerie Museum

Dinner – Le Relais de l’ Entrecote – Steak and Frittes, Crème Brule

Thursday, June 28th

Breakfast

Notre Dame

Nutella Crepes

Sainte Chapelle

Lunch – Panini’s near Notre Dame

Seine River Cruise

Berthillon ice cream

Walk in Latin Quarter

Musee De Orsay

Dinner – Duck Confit, Roasted Chicken

Friday, June 29th

Breakfast

Food shopping at Place de la Madeleine outdoor market

Lunch on the grass of Champs De Mar in front of the Eiffel Tower – sandwiches, pasta salad, tomato/mozzarella, macaroons from market)

Eiffel Tower

Dinner

Champs-Elysee 

Saturday, June 30th

Breakfast

Lunch

Musee De Army

Hotel De Invalides

Dinner – Pizza

Midnight Champagne at Eiffel Tower

Sunday, July 1st

Montmartre

Sacre-Coeur Basilica

Brunch –Creperie Broceliande

25th Wedding Anniversary Lock Pont Des Arts Bridge
Berthillon ice cream

:thumbup:

also Eiffel Tower now has security to even get under it, and another security line to ride up.  Not sure if you can still bring in food or not

 
My summary of thread so far....good stuff.

AMSTERDAM

WARNINGS/GENERAL:

Biking in Amsterdam in heavily trafficked areas can be dangerous, use trolleys or walk. 

RESTAURANTS/FOOD:

Try rijstaffel at least once and also bitterballen (Dutch meatballs), frikadeller (Danish meatballs), stroopwaffel (thin waffle caramel sandwich), poffertjes (small spongy pancake w/ powered surgar), pannekoeken (thin Dutch pancake with apple) and a cone of fries with samuraisaus.

Rijstaffel is an Indonesian feast of numerous chefs’ selected dishes based upon Dutch adaptation of island (Java/Bali/Samatra) food.

Café Gollem – great local atmosphere, good selection of craft beers on tap, great cheese plate and Gouda.  Flemish beef, burgers, fries.

SITES:

Rijksmuseum – Vast collection of Art and Dutch history museum.  Worth a visit.

Van Gogh Museum -  Nuff said.

Ann Frank Museum -  A must, but book way in advance. 

PARIS, FRANCE

WARNINGS/GENERAL:

Pickpockets working in groups in tourist areas.  People posing as metro staff offer to help buy ticket but just take your money, use booth or machine yourself.  Spend time to enjoy the atmosphere and don’t worry about seeing everything.  Learn some basic French like “parlez-vous anglais” (do you speak English?).  4 days is not enough to see Paris.

RESTAURANTS/BARS/FOOD:

Of course cheese, crepes, and baguettes are a must.  Jambon-beurre (ham on baguette) from any café.

Avoid tourist area restaurants, go at least a few blocks away.  Go to outdoor market for picnic stuff.

Bouillon Chartier – Inexpensive but very good.  Housed in cool 19th Century building.  Avoid Tête de veau and Andouillette

Le Relais de I’Entrcote – Awesome Steak Frites.  Must.

Berthillon ice cream – Peach sorbet, pear, and vanilla are awesome.

L’As du Falefel – Best value.  Awesome falafel.

Le Refuge des Fondus – Fondue Resaurant.  Cheeses and meat dipped in wine fondue. 

Les Fables de la Fontaine

La Cantada II – Heavy metal bar by Pere Lachaise Cemetery.  Dive bar area. 

SITES:

Arc du Triomphe – Stairs are a #####, nice view but not worth effort to climb.

Louvre Museum – Must see.  Half day minimum.

Le Marais – Great neighborhood to explore.  Lots of good bars and restuarants.

Aux Trois Mailletz – Cabaret opens at midnight.  Tiny basement on Left Bank.  Raucous atmosphere with performers dancing on tables and sing alongs.  Mostly French with some tourists.

Musee d’Orsay Museum (in old train station) – Best collection of impressionist art in the world.  Must see.  Several hours minimum.

Musee de la Legion d'Honneur - Great military history museum.

Catacombs -

Moulin Rouge –

Monmarte Area – Beautiful area with great restaurants, but kind of shady.

La Defense for architecture – Take train and walk around area.

Place Vendôme - Square in the 1st arrondissement for architecture.

Le Musee Rodin – Paris location, not his house.  Dedicated to the sculptor works of Rodin

11th arrondissement – Nightlife area.

Sacre Coeur - climb it if you're in good shape.

Versailles tour – Palace,  garden, plus more. Half or full day tours. $100-$200.

Monet’s Garden (Giverney) – Hour train ride, but worth a visit.  Book in advance.

BRUGES/BELGIUM

WARNINGS/GENERAL:

Small city, do day trips to Ghent, Brussels, Dunkirk, or Antwerp by train.

RESTAURANTS/BARS/FOOD:

Frites from a street cart, moules-frites (mussels), chocolate pralines, Stoofvlees (Belgium Beef Stew), and waffles.  Avoid the tourist versions with chocolate and whipped cream but get a Gaufre de Bruxelles or gaufre de Liege.

Westvleteren 12 – rated best beer in world.  Rare to find, but ask if available.

Brugs Beertje (Bruges) – Great tavern.

A LaMorte Subit (Brussels) – Great bar

Brewery Cantillon (Brussels) – Must visit.

Frituur #1 (Antwerp) – The original fry stand.  Get the sauce on the side.  Close to Gollum.

Gollum (Antwerp) – Municipal town square with lots of places to sample craft beer.

Het Pomphuis (Antwerp) – Peeled River Shrimp is great.

Paters Vaetje bar (Antwerp) – Lots of varieties of beer

SITES:

Brouwerij de Sint-Sixtusabdij van Westvleteren – Brewrey run by monks.

 
A lot of good advice in this thread already. My wife and I just came back from Amsterdam/Bruges 2 weeks ago -- the tulips are just coming out and the weather was fantastic. I agree that 5 days in Bruges is way too much - I think you could spend 2 days total there and another day in Ghent.  We did 4 days in Amsterdam which seemed just about right (including a trip to Zaanse Schans to see the windmills and Keukenhoff to see the tulips).  You could also make a day trip to Rotterdam -- if you're like me at all, the Marktham is a foodie heaven -- had some amazing Turkish "pizza" and Portugese pastries there.  Let me know if you're interested in any specific food recommendations in Amsterdam...

 
A lot of good advice in this thread already. My wife and I just came back from Amsterdam/Bruges 2 weeks ago -- the tulips are just coming out and the weather was fantastic. I agree that 5 days in Bruges is way too much - I think you could spend 2 days total there and another day in Ghent.  We did 4 days in Amsterdam which seemed just about right (including a trip to Zaanse Schans to see the windmills and Keukenhoff to see the tulips).  You could also make a day trip to Rotterdam -- if you're like me at all, the Marktham is a foodie heaven -- had some amazing Turkish "pizza" and Portugese pastries there.  Let me know if you're interested in any specific food recommendations in Amsterdam...
Thanks.  The time in Bruges is necessary because my gf is doing a conference there, so that part is work related.  I would be interested in specific restaurant recommendations.   We leave in a week. 

 
First of all have a couple of local language phrases up your sleeve so at least youll be trying to make an effort, especially parlez vous anglaise. 
In France you do need to make an effort.  In Belgium and Amsterdam you don't.  English is basically the #1 language in Amsterdam and the Belgians are very nice and they all speak English.

In France, even if you try, you will likely still get the attitude that they are going to have to make a serious effort and are doing you a favor before going on to speak fluent English. 

 
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Started using the app TripIt for this.   Seems like a great app.  Have a similar app for work, but that is just for flight, hotel, and car reservations.   This app you can add all kinds of details for tours, restaurants, sites and other info.  So your whole timeline is laid out with all the details you need including addresses linked to maps and directions and options for transportation.  Lots of the info is linked to info on the web so as soon as you type in something like your flight number it will auto populate the times and locations.  So pretty quick and easy to enter info.  

 
Travel to France 1-2x yearly and basically "lived" in paris for years... Own a place on the Bretagne coast in the north-west (4hr train from paris)

1) Gypsys - do not look at, speak to, or stop for them. No matter how desperate they look, esp the women w newborns in their hands

2) do not go north. 

3) LOUVRE - there is an underground shopping galleria called the "carrousel du louvre"... THIS is where you want to enter the LOUVRE, unless you want to spend hours in line. Not an exaggeration. the line can be hours long. Ive never waited more then 5min taking this way in (no one knows about it)

4) just enjoy, it's europe.

 
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We will be eating out a lot, so perfer places within a reasonable budget.  Don't really want to be dropping $100 plus on one meal, but open for an occasional splurge.  Great places to sample local beer and wine and deserts would be awesome.
In Paris: Bistros that are good, which fit this bill and which are neighborhood oriented are plentiful. Brasseries are typically expensive and often are more touristy than you might expect. Also prix fixe is a real thing, shoot for it. You can eat at great restaurants if you pick your times right. Also location affects the price more than quality of the food often. Marais (3rd/4th), 7th and 5th arrondisements have some terrific affordable options. The only caveat I will give there is that the supposed classics on or near St. Germain are not worth the effort. There is no such thing as a bad bottle of wine. Go to town on the bakeries and specialty places (fromageries, charcuteries, bars/caves) during the day and you will have more cash for dinner at night. 

- eta - In Bruges try the Black House and Cafe Rose Red. You can't turn a corner without finding good beer. There's a well known place by the market square (couple blocks ?) will probably be the first place you see and you may not leave.  :banned: - SID

 
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This might actually be the best view in Paris.
It might!  Agreed!  It's spectacular.  The Eiffel Tower view is fabulous as well, but the lines can be long, the space at the very top is a little bit cramped, unavoidably so, and the biggest issue is that you can't see the Eiffel Tower.   :D    The daunting climb to the top of Sacre Coeur, which is very similar to climbing the Leaning Tower of Pisa, does have the advantage of cutting down on crowds a bit.  

One far lesser known observatory in Paris with a spectacular view is that atop La Tour Montparnasse, in the southern area of the city, left bank, probably 14e or 15e arrondissement.  It's panoramic, because of the orientation you can get pictures of the Eiffel Tower with the sun setting behind it, and best of all there's an open-air area about 50 stories up.  Breathtaking.  The top of Notre Dame provides a similar experience, including being east of the Eiffel Tower for sunsets, but it's unsurprisingly not nearly as high.  Montparnasse is well worth a stop.  

 
Travel to France 1-2x yearly and basically "lived" in paris for years... Own a place on the Bretagne coast in the north-west (4hr train from paris)

1) Gypsys - do not look at, speak to, or stop for them. No matter how desperate they look, esp the women w newborns in their hands

2) do not go north. 

3) LOUVRE - there is an underground shopping galleria called the "carrousel du louvre"... THIS is where you want to enter the LOUVRE, unless you want to spend hours in line. Not an exaggeration. the line can be hours long. Ive never waited more then 5min taking this way in (no one knows about it)

4) just enjoy, it's europe.
Good call on the Louvre.  Also the Portes des Lions entrance. 

 
A lot of good advice in this thread already. My wife and I just came back from Amsterdam/Bruges 2 weeks ago -- the tulips are just coming out and the weather was fantastic. I agree that 5 days in Bruges is way too much - I think you could spend 2 days total there and another day in Ghent.  We did 4 days in Amsterdam which seemed just about right (including a trip to Zaanse Schans to see the windmills and Keukenhoff to see the tulips).  You could also make a day trip to Rotterdam -- if you're like me at all, the Marktham is a foodie heaven -- had some amazing Turkish "pizza" and Portugese pastries there.  Let me know if you're interested in any specific food recommendations in Amsterdam...
Headed there later this year. I’ll take any Amsterdam info you have to share. Thanks!

 
Good work with the summary of thread above by Jon.

Luxembourg Gardens is a classic Parisian park. Grab some food nearby and a bottle of wine head there and you can have a great lunch just hanging out.

Also adding To the praise of Berthillion. Great walk to the area and the ice cream is really good.

Sacre Coure was a bit sketchy last time I was there. Pan handlers etc typically don’t bug me but it was pretty aggressive. Most of the places to eat up there are pretty cheesy by Paris standards. View is great though, there’s a train funicular thing if you don’t want to make the hike.

 
If you go to Versailles you used to be able to rent golf carts. Normally I like walking but the grounds are huge. Not sure if they still have them but if they do it was cool to zip around on the cart, park and check out stuff then zip across to other parts.

 
If you go to Versailles you used to be able to rent golf carts. Normally I like walking but the grounds are huge. Not sure if they still have them but if they do it was cool to zip around on the cart, park and check out stuff then zip across to other parts.
Yeah, except it is 34 euro per hour.   I guess there is a shuttle but it only runs once an hour.  Maybe if it is really hot and we miss the shuttle.  

 
Yeah, except it is 34 euro per hour.   I guess there is a shuttle but it only runs once an hour.  Maybe if it is really hot and we miss the shuttle.  
Whoa, that is pretty steep. Don’t remember it being that expensive. I do remember we were hustling around quickly though that’s probably why :lol:

Think we walked the main palace area then we hopped into the cart to check out some of the further out buildings and cruised around the grounds.

Remember we got some ice cream and were driving past everyone walking, they looked jealous. 

 
Headed there later this year. I’ll take any Amsterdam info you have to share. Thanks!
If you want to go to Anne Frank's house you need to buy tickets a couple months in advance.  They open up sales online and in a day or two they sell out.  That is the only place to get them.   They do have one other option which is called the Introductory Course which opens up online ticket sales two weeks in advance.  Again those sellout in a day or two.  In the Introductory Course you get a 30 presentation outside the house and then can tour the museum without a guide.  

 
Travel to France 1-2x yearly and basically "lived" in paris for years... Own a place on the Bretagne coast in the north-west (4hr train from paris)

1) Gypsys - do not look at, speak to, or stop for them. No matter how desperate they look, esp the women w newborns in their hands

2) do not go north. 

3) LOUVRE - there is an underground shopping galleria called the "carrousel du louvre"... THIS is where you want to enter the LOUVRE, unless you want to spend hours in line. Not an exaggeration. the line can be hours long. Ive never waited more then 5min taking this way in (no one knows about it)

4) just enjoy, it's europe.
The mall enterance was easy to find.  Just exit the metro into the mall hang a left look right and you will see the large inverted pyramid.  We got there 15 minutes prior to opening at 9.  The line outside did not look to terrible, but air conditioning is a huge plus.   We were inside just a few minutes after opening.   We were able to see the Mona Lisa when the crowd around were only 1 to 2 people deep.  Later on it was 12 plus people deep.  An amazing collection of art in a spectacular building.  

 
Bruges is a really beautiful and charming town.  It's biggest fault is that it is too touristy and kind of pricey.  But it is easy to find good food and beer there   Spent a day in Ghent which is still pretty touristy but more of a real town than Bruges.   Not quite as charming but worthy if a visit.  

Did not really plan it, but the world cup has added a bit of excitement to the trip.  Paris was nuts during France's games.  Bruges was not nearly as crazy, but still lots of fans filling the bars especially during the Belgium games.  Hoping France makes the finals because the last night before I return home will be in Paris the night of the world cup finals.  

Now in Delft.  Spent part of the day in Hague and will be heading to Amsterdam in the morning.   Not a lot in Delft.   A few nice churches, some good restaurants, a windmill and their famous Delft pottery.  The market had some good booth food.  Pretty laid back area.  Mainly visited Mauritshuis Museum in Hague, which was amazing. 

Had a great time in Paris.  I will detail some things when I have time.  

 
The Loire Valley area was pretty awesome.  Surprised more people don't seem to talk about it.  Completely different vibe than the rest of the trip.   The few castles we visited were incredle.  A lot of wineries making good wines.  The last castle we visited was where de vinci spent the last three years of his life and had some cool exhibits.   World cup night in Paris was just nuts.  On my flight home, taking off soon..Incredible trip.  

 
The Loire Valley area was pretty awesome.  Surprised more people don't seem to talk about it.  Completely different vibe than the rest of the trip.   The few castles we visited were incredle.  A lot of wineries making good wines.  The last castle we visited was where de vinci spent the last three years of his life and had some cool exhibits.   World cup night in Paris was just nuts.  On my flight home, taking off soon..Incredible trip.  
It’s always been one of my favorite parts of France.

 
jon_mx said:
The Loire Valley area was pretty awesome.  Surprised more people don't seem to talk about it.  Completely different vibe than the rest of the trip.   The few castles we visited were incredle.  A lot of wineries making good wines.  The last castle we visited was where de vinci spent the last three years of his life and had some cool exhibits.   World cup night in Paris was just nuts.  On my flight home, taking off soon..Incredible trip.  
im interested in going there so curious on how you got around to each location?
I travel solo with a backpack so its trains or buses for me

 
im interested in going there so curious on how you got around to each location?
I travel solo with a backpack so its trains or buses for me
I used trains, buses, and Uber twice for everything but Loire Valley.  I rented a car in Paris and drove down Loire Valley for two days.   Driving thru Paris was a real pia.  If I do it again I will just take the train down there then pick up the rental car.  The tolls alone were 20 euro

 
jon_mx said:
The Loire Valley area was pretty awesome.  Surprised more people don't seem to talk about it.  Completely different vibe than the rest of the trip.   The few castles we visited were incredle.  A lot of wineries making good wines.  The last castle we visited was where de vinci spent the last three years of his life and had some cool exhibits.   World cup night in Paris was just nuts.  On my flight home, taking off soon..Incredible trip.  
Would love a bit more details of this.

 

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