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Pat Kirwan's First Mock Draft (1 Viewer)

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i could definitely see the top three picks being jason smith, monroe & curry... we shall see about crabtree to SEA... local product jenkins has been linked with CLE for a while, but he ran a 4.5 40... can he play CB at the NFL level, & if not, is this too high for a safety? will CIN also be looking at raji? maclin seems like a good fit for OAK, for a few reasons (they need a WR to help with russell's development, & he has explosive speed & open field running skills)... stafford to JAX... REALLY??? they are expected to look at OT, but admittedly the top two prospects are off the board, & the next best have multiple question marks & could well be reaches... haven't seen cushing this high in any mocks (top 10), but his measurables are off the charts... was heyward-bey's combine enough to propel him into the top 10 (i'm not so sure)... raji in DEN would be a good fit if he lasts that long... after his disastrous combine, andre smith will be very lucky to go at #13 to WAS... he has some serious damage control to do at his pro day (count me a sceptic he goes this high, though he has some good film & LTs are of course highly coveted)... vontae davis would be a good fit in NO, would make a nice bookend with '08 rookie porter, who looked like a potential future star before injury... tyson jackson going to HOU, seems like he would be popular with 3-4 teams (nearly 300 lb DE), but not sure about this high... "loogie" had a less than stellar combine, may have dropped down out of the first half of 1st round (though probably not out of the 1st altogether)... the key questions, can he cover & defend in space... IS HE A THREE DOWN LB?? if not, no way you take him here... hakeem nicks is flying up the board... oher has some maturity questions, but at this juncture, somebody may well take the risk... physically & athletically there is a lot to like... maybin is undersized, but that never scared TB away before... i could see sanchez falling to DET... they would probably be very happy to get their QB of the future after already securing their LT for the next decade with 1st pick overall... PHI certainly needs an OT, as they are getting old in a hurry there, & were reportedly shopping justice, who looks like a bust... with the acquisition of rosenfels via trade QB should be off MIN's wish list, but do they really need a WR with berrian & rice? OL may be more pressing? they probably need replacement for birk, though not sure any interior OL worth a pick here... moreno (or beanie wells) could be good fit in NE, but secondary seems like a pressing need... no safety worth a 1st (maybe CB?)... the falcons supposedly coveted dorsey last year (though obviously are thrilled with how things worked out, getting ryan & baker in 1st), so jerry fits... not sure about laurinaitis to colts... aside from fact that he ran a pederstrain, lineman-like 4.8 40, when was the last time IND spent a 1st on a LB? by a similar rationale, PHI doesn't usually take WRs this high (though they had great results with jackson in the 2nd last year)...

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Mock draft: Don't bank on Lions taking Stafford with No. 1 pick

By Pat Kirwan - NFL.com

Senior Analyst

Now that I am back from the NFL Combine, it's time to take what the event taught us about the talent pool for 2009 and implement it in our first mock draft of the season.

The quarterbacks didn't distinguish themselves in Indianapolis. The combine showed that while there are a number of solid running backs, there's little reason to use a first-round pick on one. The wide receivers displayed a lot of speed and, as a group, probably moved up in the draft. The offensive tackles will provide multiple first-round options, while teams can wait on the guards and centers.

On defense, there are a number of hybrid players who fit as 3-4 outside linebackers or 4-3 defensive ends, and a few of them will go quickly in the first round. There is a cloud of doubt over the inside backers, as Rey Maualuga injured a hamstring during his first 40-yard dash and James Laurinaitis ran poorly. Cornerbacks should take up three or four spots in the first round, but teams will wait on safeties until the later rounds.

The Lions and Eagles have multiple first-round picks, while the Cowboys and Panthers must wait until the first round is over for a pick. I got the sense from talking to a number of GMs and head coaches that there is little interest in risk-taking at the top of the draft with athletes who have off-the-field issues, medical issues and "signability" issues. Athletes that came to the combine, performed most of the drills well, interviewed well and created a feeling of being safe picks moved up draft boards. Athletes who had medical issues, decided not to compete or demonstrated some immaturity moved down. As one GM said, "There's just too much damn money involved at the top of the draft to take a risk."

With that in mind, here's my first mock draft:

1. Detroit Lions

Jason Smith OT, Baylor

Right now, it would appear there is a bit of doubt about Matthew Stafford being worthy of the top pick in the draft. An underclassman under 6-foot-3 who ran close to 4.9 in the 40-yard dash on a number of watches has a lot to prove. Jason Smith had a fine workout, passed the eyeball test and can be plugged into the lineup for the next 10 years.

2. St. Louis Rams

Eugene Monroe OT, Virginia

The Rams could get serious about Michael Crabtree if the medical news about his foot is positive, but right now Monroe is a safe pick, and it transitions with the end of Orlando Pace's career. If Pace plays in 2009, Monroe can start at guard just like Jonathan Ogden did during his rookie season in Baltimore.

3. Kansas City Chiefs

Aaron Curry LB, Wake Forest

The Chiefs are going to build a 3-4 defense and Curry gives them a critical piece at outside linebacker. If Stafford drops to them, they will think long and hard about him because the jury is still out on Tyler Thigpen.

4. Seattle Seahawks

Michael Crabtree WR, Texas Tech

Only the foot injury would allow Crabtree to fall to the No. 4 spot, but his 231 receptions in just two seasons in college should be enough for the Seahawks to draft him. He's just what the doctor ordered for this offense.

5. Cleveland Browns

Malcolm Jenkins CB, Ohio State

The Browns have a lot of needs, and cornerback is one of them. An outside linebacker who can rush the passer is priority No. 1, but with Curry gone, local Ohio State product Malcolm Jenkins is perfect. Keep in mind that new coach Eric Mangini took Darrelle Revis in the first round when he was with the Jets.

6. Cincinnati Bengals

Brian Orakpo DE/LB, Texas

The Bengals have lots of needs, and they tend to ignore defense early in drafts. A wide receiver would work here, and if Crabtree slid they might do it. But they need help on defense. Orakpo is versatile and helps with a pass rush that has to improve.

7. Oakland Raiders

Jeremy Maclin WR, Missouri

As the Raiders release high-priced veterans, they need playmakers. I could see an offensive or defensive tackle at this spot, but Al Davis loves speed, and Maclin has a lot of it. He led the nation with over 200 all-purpose yards per game, and he could team up with Johnnie Lee Higgins to make a dangerous tandem.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars

Matthew Stafford QB, Georgia

The Jaguars were probably thinking they had a shot at Mark Sanchez, but it's possible Stafford slides to the No. 8 spot. If the quarterbacks are gone, then Jacksonville could take a left tackle like Andre Smith or Michael Oher. Stafford would not have to take the field for a year or two while David Garrard runs the offense, which would be ideal for the Georgia star, who would become a fan favorite in a city right on the Georgia border.

9. Green Bay Packers

Brian Cushing LB, USC

The Packers are switching to a 3-4 defense, and they have to be thinking about an outside linebacker opposite Aaron Kampman. Cushing has played OLB, ILB, safety, defensive end and is just an all-around solid football player. At the combine, he measured in at 6-foot-3, 243 pounds, put up the 225-pound bench press 30 times, ran sub-4.7 in the 40-yard dash on a number of handheld watches and looked good in his drill work.

10. San Francisco 49ers

Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland

The 49ers have so many needs, and after Heyward-Bey ran a sub-4.3 in the 40 at his size, he moved up draft boards. He can stretch the field, which is critical as teams try to stop Frank Gore in the running attack. He will need to catch the ball better at his pro day to keep up the momentum he built at the combine.

11. Buffalo Bills

Everette Brown DE/LB, Florida State

The Bills need a pass rush and an outside linebacker. Brown could satisfy both issues. After Brown measured in at 6-foot-1½ and 256 pounds, he really moved to the linebacker group instead of the defensive end group that he worked out with in Indianapolis. His 20 sacks over the last two years can't be overlooked.

12. Denver Broncos

B.J. Raji DT, Boston College

The Broncos have a long way to go to convert their defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4. They simply aren't big enough up front to be a two-gap team or have enough pass rush to protect the corners. Raji is a good fit in any front, and while the Broncos are playing a mix of the two fronts, at least they would add a big man (337 pounds) inside to help stop the run and collapse the pocket.

13. Washington Redskins

Andre Smith OT, Alabama

Smith created quite a stir at the combine by leaving unannounced and not working out. He is immature in some respects and could have some weight issues, but he's one heck of a talent. He's a guy who can maul opponents and has extremely long arms (35 3/8) to pass block. Washington takes him as it prepares for the end of Chris Samuels' career.

14. New Orleans Saints

Vontae Davis CB, Illinois Defense is the reason the Saints haven't made a run at the Super Bowl. They paid a lot of money to the defensive line, and while they could be considered underachievers, the secondary also needs help. Davis is a big corner and could start from day one.

15. Houston Texans

Tyson Jackson DE, LSU

Jackson is one of the few true 4-3 left defensive-end candidates in the draft. He weighed in at 295 pounds, and he could really help opposite Mario Williams. As teams run the ball away from Williams, the Texans need a stout player holding up the strong side. Jackson will never get the protection schemes his way and he should generate some needed pass rush from the left side. His 4.96 time in the 40 is a bit pedestrian, but his 27 tackles for a loss and 18.5 sacks during his career at LSU make him a solid pick.

16. San Diego Chargers

Rey Maualuga LB, USC

Maualuga is a perfect fit as the strong inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He would bring the passion that hasn't been around at the position since Junior Seau.

17. New York Jets

Hakeem Nicks WR, North Carolina

Nicks is the big receiver the Jets have been looking for to play opposite Jerricho Cotchery. The Jets could be looking at a cornerback or defensive end, but Nicks should be the highest-graded player on the board. His postseason bowl performance removed any doubt about his first-round grade.

18. Chicago Bears

Michael Oher OT, Mississippi

The Bears got old at tackle in a hurry, and the retirement of John Tait created a sense of urgency. Chris Williams should be good at right tackle and Oher could man the left side. In one pick, Chicago cements its young bookends for the next 10 years. Always like a tackle with over 45 college starts.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Aaron Maybin DE/LB, Penn State

Pay close attention to what the Bucs do in free agency. Former GM Bruce Allen left the team with more salary-cap space than anyone could imagine. For now, a young player like Maybin, who could be groomed at linebacker and rush the passer, makes sense. I'm not so sure Maybin can play linebacker. As one GM told me, "He's a 250-pound pass rusher who can't do much else." His combine performance in linebacker drills suggests he may be able to drop back in coverage. I might like him more in a 3-4 defense, but he is intriguing at this point in the draft. His lack of experience (10 college starts) could move him down the draft in the weeks to come.

20. Detroit Lions

(from Dallas Cowboys)

Mark Sanchez QB, USC

It could work out that the Lions get their QB on their second pick in the first round. Sanchez needs a great pro day to get back into the top 10. If he doesn't wow the offensive coordinators, he could slide down in the draft to this spot. Sanchez has the skills to win in the NFL, but he will need time to develop -- and Detroit may not have the time to let him learn from the bench.

21. Philadelphia Eagles

Eben Britton OT, Arizona

The Eagles need an offensive tackle, and this is the last player at that position that grades out as a first-rounder. They might decide to take a look at Connecticut's William Beatty a bit later and take a running back or wide receiver here, but history shows Andy Reid likes to take guys in the first round who play with their hand on the ground.

22. Minnesota Vikings

Percy Harvin WR, Florida

Another playmaker for the passing game would be nice for whomever wins the QB job in Minnesota. The Vikings may be tempted to take a defenstive tackle like Peria Jerry to get in the rotation with Pat Williams, but they got good effort from their backups last year. Harvin would light up the Metrodome working out of the slot.

23. New England Patriots

Knowshon Moreno RB, Georgia

Kevin Faulk isn't getting any younger, Laurence Maroney has issues staying healthy and you can never have enough good running backs. Moreno has a chance to be like Tiki Barber, an all-around back.

24. Atlanta Falcons

Peria Jerry DT, Mississippi

The Falcons have to beef up the middle of their defense with solid young run stoppers. Jerry is a 300-pound run stuffer who will not be available later in the draft. His 32 tackles for a loss in the last two years at Mississippi tells you the kind of inside force he can be.

25. Miami Dolphins

Larry English DE/LB, Northern Illinois

I've interviewed English three times already, and he is an impressive young man who looks like Takeo Spikes and plays with a tireless motor. In the Dolphins' 3-4 defense, he could line up at OLB and get after the QB. His 31.5 sacks and 57 tackles for a loss in college make him the perfect complement to Joey Porter. He had two handheld 40-yard dash times under 4.8.

26. Baltimore Ravens

Darius Butler CB, Connecticut

The Ravens may want another corner, but for now the UConn corner gets the call. Some of the other corners are in the 5-foot-8 range and the Ravens may be looking for someone a bit taller. Butler measured in at 5-foot-10 3/8 and was impressive in his interviews.

27. Indianapolis Colts

James Laurinaitis LB, Ohio State

Laurinaitis may be slipping out of the first round after his 4.80 time in the 40, but his college production -- 375 tackles with nine interceptions and 13 sacks -- says he belongs among the top 32 players. His stats speak volumes about his playmaking ability. The combine didn't help him, but the game tapes will.

28. Philadelphia Eagles

(from Carolina Panthers)

Kenny Britt WR, Rutgers

The Eagles could take a big running back like Chris "Beanie" Wells from Ohio State here, but Britt gets the call this week. He's big (6-foot-2 7/8, 214 pounds) and explosive. He would be a nice complement to DeSean Jackson. If the Eagles sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh during free agency, then they're set to take a running back.

29. New York Giants

Michael Johnson DE, Georgia Tech

Johnson is not without his critics, but the combine really helped him regain some of his first-round status. There was no one like him physically in Indianapolis, as he checked in at 6-foot-6 7/8, 266 pounds with a 4.67 time in the 40. He can move like a linebacker, rush the passer and probably be a short-yardage tight end. In the weeks to come, he will be moving up the draft board and probably be gone by the time the Giants select.

30. Tennessee Titans

Robert Ayers DE, Tennessee

Ayers made a statement at the Senior Bowl that he can play the run, rush the passer and drop into coverage when asked. He thinks he's headed to a 3-4 team as an outside linebacker, which may be true, but he really fits in with the Titans. There are some concerns about his bench press (18 reps), but as one GM said, "The last thing I worry about is strength. We can fix that."

31. Arizona Cardinals

Evander Hood DT, Missouri

Hood had a good combine and looked impressive in drill work. He did not come to Indianapolis as a first-round candidate, but he may be leaving as one. At 6-foot-2 7/8 and 300 pounds with 34 reps on the bench press and a sub-4.9 40, his stock is rising.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers

Jarron Gilbert DE, San Jose State

The world champs need to find a 5-technique player to be in a rotation with starters Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel. Gilbert came to Indianapolis as a second- or third-round prospect, but the 6-foot-5, 288-pound player with 4.81 speed is moving up draft boards.

Here's a list of the next wave of players who could break into the first round by next week's mock draft: QB Josh Freeman, RB Chris "Beanie" Wells, TE Brandon Pettigrew, C Alex Mack, OT William Beatty, OLB Clay Mathews, CB D.J. Moore and CB Alphonso Smith.

 
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Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.

 
Just awfulReaches/ Horrific picks include:BrownsRaidersPackers49ersTexansJetsTitansHe really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
 
Just awfulReaches/ Horrific picks include:BrownsRaidersPackers49ersTexansJetsTitansHe really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
 
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i edited in some thoughts in initial post above... agree that there were some real headscratchers here (though as noted, i could see the first 3-4 picks unfolding like this)... by far the best track record in recent years is mayock, but i don't think he has released his first mock yet... can't wait for that...

 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :pickle:

 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
Completely agree. We have no idea how the interview processes went at the combine. I think more and more teams are getting the fact that you shouldn't draft Pacman Jones highly in RD 1. Having said that, I don't see the Packers taking Cushing. A guy that spends $1000/month on supplements right now doesn't strike me as a guy the Packer brass would call "Packer people." Could be wrong though. They could view him as completely devoted to the game. We'll see.

 
Just awfulReaches/ Horrific picks include:BrownsRaidersPackers49ersTexansJetsTitansHe really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
i don't think maclin is a reach... i think the rams are really high on him (local product), though seriously doubtful at 1.2... maybe he has a rap for being injury prone (?), because physically & athletically he is a specimen, translates his gifts onto the field by being an explosive playmaker & reportedly is a high character type...BTW, i think eugene monroe & curry are probably two highest ranked players on rams board... if monroe were off the board & they were a little more stable at OT, they would probably love to take curry... they definitely need help on defense... he would be a bit of a projection at MLB (played strong side OLB in college), but is the prototype physically for a LB, is a freakish athlete, tested off the charts, is charismatic & a natural leader, & he reportedly interviewed as well as any prospect at the combine in years...STILL, STL seemingly HAS to come away with a LT, & luckily, there are two really good ones... if in fact DET takes smith, STL will be thrilled with monroe (who as noted, i think they have a higher grade on, probably due to superior level of competition & playing in a more pro style offense), but no doubt smith would be a very nice consolation prize (& hey, lets face it, probably a few teams have smith graded higher, given his phenomenal physical tools & athletic gifts)... physically & athletically, he looks like he has some walter jones in him...
 
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Gosselin > Kirwan
Good call (forgot about him) no doubt Gosselin is the gold standard. Um, I'll go with in the medal race for Kirwan then.I was especially interested in the final 10 picks as players to keep an eye on. In this early mock I think the comments contained in picks 24 on are all very interesting.
 
10. San Francisco 49ers Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland The 49ers have so many needs, and after Heyward-Bey ran a sub-4.3 in the 40 at his size, he moved up draft boards. He can stretch the field, which is critical as teams try to stop Frank Gore in the running attack. He will need to catch the ball better at his pro day to keep up the momentum he built at the combine.
Hey, the 49ers don't have a good QB, but how could they go wrong picking a pass-catcher out of the University of Maryland who never put up great stats in the not-so-tough ACC, but had a great 40 time at the combine?Plus, Vernon Davis would be there to mentor him about teamwork and effort.
 
10. San Francisco 49ers Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland The 49ers have so many needs, and after Heyward-Bey ran a sub-4.3 in the 40 at his size, he moved up draft boards. He can stretch the field, which is critical as teams try to stop Frank Gore in the running attack. He will need to catch the ball better at his pro day to keep up the momentum he built at the combine.
Hey, the 49ers don't have a good QB, but how could they go wrong picking a pass-catcher out of the University of Maryland who never put up great stats in the not-so-tough ACC, but had a great 40 time at the combine?Plus, Vernon Davis would be there to mentor him about teamwork and effort.
One of my favorite highlights of last year was Vernon Davis chasing down a defender headed for a touchdown after a turnover, while the rest of his team basically stood and watched.
 
Some of you guys are funny. It's called a "Mock" for a reason. Hell, very few, if any NFL team even know who they will be drafting until after they are on the clock. Things change pretty fast in the NFL, and nothing should be surprising.

 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :thumbup:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :thumbdown:
 
Andy D. started it, but I am seeing more and more people saying the Vikings are going to take Harvin at #22...and I think I like the sound of it better each time!

 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :lmao:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :headbang:
If you ever listen to Kirwan on Sirius, you will know that he is the first person to mock his own mock drafts. He only does them because he is expected to. He had a 9er homer call last night and Kirwan encouraged him to talk him out of the DHB pick. He agreed with what the caller said. Pat Kirwan knows more about the NFL than just about any host or expert you will ever hear. Maybe his mocks are based on what the teams should do, not what he thinks they will do. If that's the case, some of them should probably listen to him.
 
I am surprised Kirwan has the Giants passing on Matthews. He would be a great combination of BPA and filling a need at that point in the draft.

 
It never ceases to amaze me how draft pundits get it wrong when it comes to the Jets, including some of the FBG staff, who's work I respect. I think it has something to do with the draft being in NY in some strangely inexplicable way.

Ryan wants to build a top 3 NFL defense. Must be he'll take a WR in the first with only one viable CB on his roster. Yeah, sure. :thumbup:

 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :shock:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :tinfoilhat:
EXACTLY!! and 3 WR's in his first round. I don't recall it being a massive surprise that no WR's were picked in the 2008 1st round.
 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :thumbup:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :shrug:
If you ever listen to Kirwan on Sirius, you will know that he is the first person to mock his own mock drafts. He only does them because he is expected to. He had a 9er homer call last night and Kirwan encouraged him to talk him out of the DHB pick. He agreed with what the caller said. Pat Kirwan knows more about the NFL than just about any host or expert you will ever hear. Maybe his mocks are based on what the teams should do, not what he thinks they will do. If that's the case, some of them should probably listen to him.
Hi yellowdog,I'm a HUGE Kirwan fan and I listen to Movin' the Chains every day at work. However, I kinda have my own hunch on him and his mock drafts.

He overflows with knowledge of the NFL inside and out, but I don't think he means what he puts into his mock drafts. The fact that he's close with many GMs and coaches actually makes me think he throws up more smoke than anything. He's too knowledgeable to create such awful mocks year in and year out. He makes good points as to why a certain guy could go somewhere, but he's never right on with his final product. ...& why would he be? I feel like he's in some ways above the mock drafts and doesn't need to flex his 'insidership' since he can probably just walk up to Childress or Gruden and ask them straight up. There's just no way he's gonna spill their beans. He does the these cause people expect him to.

Anyhow, that's what I think, it sounds like you sorta feel the same way. :)

 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
I did, you can do a search, have fun spending the next hour looking for it. :shark:
 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
I did, you can do a search, have fun spending the next hour looking for it. :hifive:
Im sure it doesnt exist, so ill save my time.
 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
I did, you can do a search, have fun spending the next hour looking for it. :hifive:
Im sure it doesnt exist, so ill save my time.
So you ask a question, get an answer and then decide I am a liar and you know the answer. Real mature. :lmao:
 
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
I did, you can do a search, have fun spending the next hour looking for it. :hifive:
Im sure it doesnt exist, so ill save my time.
So you ask a question, get an answer and then decide I am a liar and you know the answer. Real mature. :lmao:
That was an answer? You just know i wont spend an hour looking for something i know doesnt exist.
 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :lmao:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :hifive:
If you ever listen to Kirwan on Sirius, you will know that he is the first person to mock his own mock drafts. He only does them because he is expected to. He had a 9er homer call last night and Kirwan encouraged him to talk him out of the DHB pick. He agreed with what the caller said. Pat Kirwan knows more about the NFL than just about any host or expert you will ever hear. Maybe his mocks are based on what the teams should do, not what he thinks they will do. If that's the case, some of them should probably listen to him.
Hi yellowdog,I'm a HUGE Kirwan fan and I listen to Movin' the Chains every day at work. However, I kinda have my own hunch on him and his mock drafts.

He overflows with knowledge of the NFL inside and out, but I don't think he means what he puts into his mock drafts. The fact that he's close with many GMs and coaches actually makes me think he throws up more smoke than anything. He's too knowledgeable to create such awful mocks year in and year out. He makes good points as to why a certain guy could go somewhere, but he's never right on with his final product. ...& why would he be? I feel like he's in some ways above the mock drafts and doesn't need to flex his 'insidership' since he can probably just walk up to Childress or Gruden and ask them straight up. There's just no way he's gonna spill their beans. He does the these cause people expect him to.

Anyhow, that's what I think, it sounds like you sorta feel the same way. :)
listen to MTC a lot. This is entirely possible. He may not want to tip others hands...
 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :lmao:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :goodposting:
If you ever listen to Kirwan on Sirius, you will know that he is the first person to mock his own mock drafts. He only does them because he is expected to. He had a 9er homer call last night and Kirwan encouraged him to talk him out of the DHB pick. He agreed with what the caller said. Pat Kirwan knows more about the NFL than just about any host or expert you will ever hear. Maybe his mocks are based on what the teams should do, not what he thinks they will do. If that's the case, some of them should probably listen to him.
Hi yellowdog,I'm a HUGE Kirwan fan and I listen to Movin' the Chains every day at work. However, I kinda have my own hunch on him and his mock drafts.

He overflows with knowledge of the NFL inside and out, but I don't think he means what he puts into his mock drafts. The fact that he's close with many GMs and coaches actually makes me think he throws up more smoke than anything. He's too knowledgeable to create such awful mocks year in and year out. He makes good points as to why a certain guy could go somewhere, but he's never right on with his final product. ...& why would he be? I feel like he's in some ways above the mock drafts and doesn't need to flex his 'insidership' since he can probably just walk up to Childress or Gruden and ask them straight up. There's just no way he's gonna spill their beans. He does the these cause people expect him to.

Anyhow, that's what I think, it sounds like you sorta feel the same way. :lmao:
listen to MTC a lot. This is entirely possible. He may not want to tip others hands...
I can see that. As a side note, MTC is worth the price of Sirius. Tim and Pat are the best.
 
One - You're not posting Kirwan's final mocks...which are widely considered the gold standard of Mock Drafts. Free agency and Pro Days will change this early 2009 mock draft as well.

2008 Final Mock :thumbup:
7 out of 31 for a final mock including hitting on 3 of the first 4 picks is awful. So he hit on 4 of 27 picks after pick 4. Horrendous. :thumbdown:
If you ever listen to Kirwan on Sirius, you will know that he is the first person to mock his own mock drafts. He only does them because he is expected to. He had a 9er homer call last night and Kirwan encouraged him to talk him out of the DHB pick. He agreed with what the caller said. Pat Kirwan knows more about the NFL than just about any host or expert you will ever hear. Maybe his mocks are based on what the teams should do, not what he thinks they will do. If that's the case, some of them should probably listen to him.
Hi yellowdog,I'm a HUGE Kirwan fan and I listen to Movin' the Chains every day at work. However, I kinda have my own hunch on him and his mock drafts.

He overflows with knowledge of the NFL inside and out, but I don't think he means what he puts into his mock drafts. The fact that he's close with many GMs and coaches actually makes me think he throws up more smoke than anything. He's too knowledgeable to create such awful mocks year in and year out. He makes good points as to why a certain guy could go somewhere, but he's never right on with his final product. ...& why would he be? I feel like he's in some ways above the mock drafts and doesn't need to flex his 'insidership' since he can probably just walk up to Childress or Gruden and ask them straight up. There's just no way he's gonna spill their beans. He does the these cause people expect him to.

Anyhow, that's what I think, it sounds like you sorta feel the same way. :)
listen to MTC a lot. This is entirely possible. He may not want to tip others hands...
I can see that. As a side note, MTC is worth the price of Sirius. Tim and Pat are the best.
:P "PK, talk about it."

 
Chachi said:
Burning Sensation said:
Chachi said:
Burning Sensation said:
Just awful

Reaches/ Horrific picks include:

Browns

Raiders

Packers

49ers

Texans

Jets

Titans

He really didn't focus around pick 5-10 as 4 of those are awful.
I would trust that Kirwan knows a lot more than all of us. He knows alot more people in the business than us and knows how a GM thinks as well.
He hit on 3 of 31 picks last year, I don't recall my exact number but it was in the 14-16 range so I disagree he knows more than any of us.
Link? Let me guess, you didnt post it?
I did, you can do a search, have fun spending the next hour looking for it. :clap:
Im sure it doesnt exist, so ill save my time.
So you ask a question, get an answer and then decide I am a liar and you know the answer. Real mature. ;)
The search function is not that hard to use. It will probably take me longer to type this up than to confirm through searches that no such mock was posted.Searches for Shark Pool posts by you, older than 180 days ago, containing pairs of names like "long" and "ryan", or "mcfadden" and "gholston", or "ellis" and "dorsey"... return the same 1-4 threads, none of which have a mock posted by you.

Either he's right and the mock doesn't exist, or you left out of your mock most of the first 7 players taken?

 
28. Philadelphia Eagles (from Carolina Panthers) Kenny Britt WR, Rutgers The Eagles could take a big running back like Chris "Beanie" Wells from Ohio State here, but Britt gets the call this week. He's big (6-foot-2 7/8, 214 pounds) and explosive. He would be a nice complement to DeSean Jackson. If the Eagles sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh during free agency, then they're set to take a running back.
There's absolutely no way the Eagles take a WR at this pick if Wells, McCoy, or Pettigrew is still on the board.
 
only 2 DBs in the 1st round?
this is a surprise... but we know there won't be any 1st round safeties (not once taylor mays decided to return to USC), & how many hot CB prospects that are slam dunks to be 1st rounders after jenkins & davis? STILL, you are probably right, teams need CBs, which could drive a few more into the 1st even if they would be technically questionable value there in a BPA sense... they tend to be positionally coveted more than say, all but the elite interior OL...
 
6. Cincinnati Bengals

Brian Orakpo DE/LB, Texas

The Bengals have lots of needs, and they tend to ignore defense early in drafts. A wide receiver would work here, and if Crabtree slid they might do it. But they need help on defense. Orakpo is versatile and helps with a pass rush that has to improve.
What an ignorant comment. Over the last 4 drafts, 8 of the 13 picks in the first 3 rounds were defensive picks, which includes the last four 1st round picks.He does it again in his 2nd mock:

The Bengals like taking offensive players, even though they have defensive needs.
 
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Random Thoughts- I'd be surprised if Orakpo goes ahead of Curry. If anybody has the rocks to make that pick it would be Pioli in KC. Everyone has manlove for Curry based on his workout but he wasn't ultra-productive at Wake (he apparently projects well into the NFL). ???

- The coaching staff of the Bengals got to work Andre Smith at the Senior Bowl [edit: nope, he's a junior] and apparently liked what they saw based on the number of "insiders" now projecting that pick. If they liked what they saw he makes more sense than a defensive player.

- I'm becoming convinced that Jeremy Maclin is going #7 to the Raiders because Al Davis has his own stopwatch time on him and doesn't with Crabtree. Whether Crabtree is the first WR off the board depends more on how much Seattle or Cleveland like him because I don't believe Oakland will take him. See next...

- Do the Jaguars want a WR at 8? If they don't want Sanchez they may have to trade up to snag one.

- Packer homer here that would be shocked if they go cornerback in the 1st. Ted Thompson has a lot of faith in his CB depth and will probably go with DT B.J. Raji if it falls like this. Assuming Raji is gone by 1.09 I'd project a left tackle or DE/LB that can put some pressure on the quarterback.

- Somehow, someway I think Josh Freeman will end up on the Buccaneers. Probably with the #19 pick because I don't see the Jets taking him at #17.

- Wildcard with some of these running back selections? Larry Johnson. If he gets released by the Chiefs one of the teams projected to select a RB in the 1st here (Saints, Eagles, Cardinals) will snap him up and use their 1st elsewhere.

- Darrius Heyward-Bey is all workout stats. Late April I think he'll drop to the 2nd round. Same fate for James Laurinaitis for the opposite reasons.

 
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- I'm becoming convinced that Jeremy Maclin is going #7 to the Raiders because Al Davis has his own stopwatch time on him and doesn't with Crabtree. Whether Crabtree is the first WR off the board depends more on how much Seattle or Cleveland like him because I don't believe Oakland will take him. See next...
I see your point, but wasn't Maclin's 40 pretty disappointing?
 
Random Thoughts- I'd would be surprised if Orakpo goes ahead of Curry. If anybody has the rocks to make that pick it would be Pioli in KC. Everyone has manlove for Curry based on his workout but he wasn't ultra-productive at Wake (he apparently projects well into the NFL). ???

- The coaching staff of the Bengals got to work Andre Smith at the Senior Bowl and apparently liked what they saw based on the number of "insiders" now projecting that pick. If they liked what they saw he makes more sense than a defensive player.

- I'm becoming convinced that Jeremy Maclin is going #7 to the Raiders because Al Davis has his own stopwatch time on him and doesn't with Crabtree. Whether Crabtree is the first WR off the board depends more on how much Seattle or Cleveland like him because I don't believe Oakland will take him. See next...

- Do the Jaguars want a WR at 8? If they don't want Sanchez they may have to trade up to snag one.

- Packer homer here that would be shocked if they go cornerback in the 1st. Ted Thompson has a lot of faith in his CB depth and will probably go with DT B.J. Raji if it falls like this. Assuming Raji is gone by 1.09 I'd project a left tackle or DE/LB that can put some pressure on the quarterback.

- Somehow, someway I think Josh Freeman will end up on the Buccaneers. Probably with the #19 pick because I don't see the Jets taking him at #17.

- Wildcard with some of these running back selections? Larry Johnson. If he gets released by the Chiefs one of the teams projected to select a RB in the 1st here (Saints, Eagles, Cardinals) will snap him up and use their 1st elsewhere.

- Darrius Heyward-Bey is all workout stats. Late April I think he'll drop to the 2nd round. Same fate for James Laurinaitis for the opposite reasons.
Agreed on the Packers. Especially projecting Brace in the 2nd (not sure Brace makes it to them in the 2nd but would love it if he did)...Brown seems to be the pick there IMO.
 
Random Thoughts- The coaching staff of the Bengals got to work Andre Smith at the Senior Bowl and apparently liked what they saw based on the number of "insiders" now projecting that pick. If they liked what they saw he makes more sense than a defensive player.
Smith was a junior. Did he go to Mobile and workout for scouts between practices?
Good call. Read somewhere that the Bengals staff was comfortable with him after working with him...clearly that wasn't at the Senior Bowl. I tried searching for it but couldn't find it? All I could find that puts together the recent 'Bengals will take Andre Smith' talk was..."An NFL source, traveling to Pro Days this week, tells me they heard a key member of the Bengals brass indicate the team has Alabama's OT Andre Smith high on the draft board. At least one member of the Bengals decision-making staff wants to take Smith, according the the discussion."

:shock:

 
- I'm becoming convinced that Jeremy Maclin is going #7 to the Raiders because Al Davis has his own stopwatch time on him and doesn't with Crabtree. Whether Crabtree is the first WR off the board depends more on how much Seattle or Cleveland like him because I don't believe Oakland will take him. See next...
I see your point, but wasn't Maclin's 40 pretty disappointing?
Reportedly he ran a 4.43 at his Pro Day."University of Missouri wide receiver and first-round draft prospect Jeremy Maclin displayed that he’s fully recovered from the knee injury he suffered at the NFL scouting combine, running a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.

According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Maclin had a 35-inch vertical leap in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and New York Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard as 22 teams watched the campus workout."

 

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