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[Raider Nation]

The Falcons have three 2nd-round picks, which add up to about 1,500 points. New England's 1.07 pick is worth roughly the same. Kirwin has mentioned for about ten straight days that Atlanta should offer the Pats all three of their 2nd-round picks in exchange for the 7th overall selection. Then he said the Falcons should grab Dorsey at 1.03, and Ryan at 1.07. His theory is that Atlanta instantly improves their football team, and they'll still have two 3rd-round draft choices. Then Pioli could work his magic in the 2nd round for New England, while also avoiding the price tag which comes with the 7th-overall pick.

Okay, sounds good on paper. Here's what would mess it all up. (This is me talking now).

It is entirely possible that Kansas City could take Ryan at 1.05, or the Jets could take Ryan at 1.06. If Ryan is still on the board before New England picks, then you can pull the trigger on the pre-arranged deal. If Ryan is gone before 1.07, Atlanta could still sit tight and grab a second-tier QB in the 2nd round.

The other thing is, there is always the chance that the Pats have their heart set on ONE of the following: Gholston, McKelvin or Albert. Each player would fill a need. If that is their line of thinking, then they would not even really entertain moving out of the first round.

Thoughts?

 

[massraider]

I think your last theory is likely. I think the Pats are gonna sit tight at their spot, and grab a top 10 player. It's not often a team with this much talent can add a blue-chipper.

 

[jeter23]

I think it is a given that ATL would wait until the Pats were on the clock to make this deal. I can remember very few times when a predraft day trade was made to move up for a certain player (Jason Campbell).

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think it is a given that ATL would wait until the Pats were on the clock to make this deal. I can remember very few times when a predraft day trade was made to move up for a certain player (Jason Campbell).

PK also mentioned this about a dozen times. I for one would not do this deal if I was Atlanta, they just far too many holes to fill and this is a very deep draft for 2nd and 3rd round talent.

 

[Boston]

It's intriguing. That deal would give the Pats four #2's and two #3's. They would have a ton of flexibility to move up and down to nab certain players they would have targeted. Also, if they hit on their picks they would add a serious jolt of youth without too much effect on their salary cap. It could be the type of draft that really has a lasting effect.

On the flipside the Pats are currently in a position to select an impact player. That's a situation they won't see too often. They can add a player who in theory may have the potential to make an impact from the get go. For a team that's already one of the favorites to win a title that's very enticing.

Overall I'm not sure Atlanta would make this deal. They have holes everywhere and this draft could really help them lay a foundation. As far as the Pats go my guess is when it's all said and done they do make a deal but it's a trade down to the 9-15 area where they can still select a top prospect while not paying big money and also getting another pick or two. Yet, if Atlanta wanted to make a deal of some sorts I'm sure the Pats would be more than willing to listen because having six picks in rounds 2-3 is definetly something that will catch your attention.

 

[duece2626]

I for one would not do this deal if I was Atlanta, they just far too many holes to fill and this is a very deep draft for 2nd and 3rd round talent.

 

[obxlegends]

It's intriguing. That deal would give the Pats four #2's and two #3's. They would have a ton of flexibility to move up and down to nab certain players they would have targeted. Also, if they hit on their picks they would add a serious jolt of youth without too much effect on their salary cap. It could be the type of draft that really has a lasting effect.

My problem is that only Meriweather of all the Pats picks from last year made the team. Granted they didn't have a 2nd or 3rd. I'd guess they'd rather stay and take the premier player, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Truman]

Why would Atlanta consider this trade?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

It's intriguing. That deal would give the Pats four #2's and two #3's. They would have a ton of flexibility to move up and down to nab certain players they would have targeted. Also, if they hit on their picks they would add a serious jolt of youth without too much effect on their salary cap. It could be the type of draft that really has a lasting effect.

My problem is that only Meriweather of all the Pats picks from last year made the team. Granted they didn't have a 2nd or 3rd. I'd guess they'd rather stay and take the premier player, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Agreed, especially since they have a second and two thirds. I think if they trade back for multiple picks, one or more would be for 09 picks.

 

[jurrassic]

I don't know. Atlanta needs alot. You only improve with players. They need quantity now.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

 

[PatrickT]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

That's what I think. I won't even pretend I'm enough of a talent evaluator to say one's better than the other, but I'd rather us package up two first rounders to try to get Brohm, if he wasn't going to fall to the second.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yet, if Atlanta wanted to make a deal of some sorts I'm sure the Pats would be more than willing to listen because having six picks in rounds 2-3 is definetly something that will catch your attention.

They'll also be more than willing to listen because Atlanta's new GM just came from the Patriots front office.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think your last theory is likely. I think the Pats are gonna sit tight at their spot, and grab a top 10 player. It's not often a team with this much talent can add a blue-chipper.

The last time I can think of was when the '91 Redskins had the 4th pick the following April, and drafted Desmond Howard.pf

 

[goldfinger]

Paying two top 10 picks when one of them is a QB who is not a can't miss player is not a good idea. Not to mention, the Falcons would not be able to sit him his rookie year

 

[Abraham]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm not sure the Pats would want three more second round picks. They already have problems rostering their draft picks because their talent base is too deep. They also choose to play established players over youngsters, so having more rookies (if they were to even make the team) would result in actually having fewer bodies to play.

NE is looking to add an impact player that carries a lower price tag than that associated with a top pick. Adding multiple lower picks would not accomplish that.

I suspect that they have their on on a couple of defensive players and if the guy(s) they really want don't fall to them they will trade their pick back int o the teams and take a CB. (I doubt they would take a CB at 7).

The trendy thing to project them at recently has been taking another OLman, but there OL is mostly intact and signed long term. The DL are all signed but will mostly hit free agency together after the 2009 season. It would make more sense to take a versatile DLman than adding depth to the OL . . . but who knows with NE.

I'm still thinking that NE has talked to every other team about who needs to be on the board at 7 to consumate a trade, and I would expect that if a player falls that shouldn't they should be able to trade out of that spot.

 

[djcolts]

Why would Atlanta consider this trade?

I agree. First, I think the point value of draft picks is out of date - this was before rookies in the top few picks made ridiculous money. One pick in the top 10 may be more of an albatross if they don't hit a home run with the pick because of the money they have to shell out to the rookie. Second, if your team is bad, you need quality players all over. The Falcons shouldn't do this.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

You think that Ryan = Brohm/Henne/Flacco + two second rounders? I'll give you Flacco, but not the other twr are you disagreeing that all three will be there for the Falcons' second pick?

 

[gregjcross]

Exactly ...the falcons get an impact DT or DE in round one at #3. Then they take a QB like FLacco in round 2 and then an additoinal CB, LB, or TE with their other second rounders. Pretty clean situation.

Why would Atlanta consider this trade?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think that the Falcons should take the BPA at #3, then when/if Brohm falls they should trade back up into the first (wouldn't it be ironic if it were with Houston?) to take him.

Brohm is really underrated at this point.

 

[Abraham]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

You think that Ryan = Brohm/Henne/Flacco + two second rounders? I'll give you Flacco, but not the other twr are you disagreeing that all three will be there for the Falcons' second pick?

Let me clarify:If they need a quarterback (they do) and have the firepower to trade up and get the one they want (again, they do) then it would be silly not to do so, especially when there will likely be a handful of other teams (Baltimore, Miami, Minnesota possibly, KC, etc.) that are likely to key in on the 2nd round guys. If Ryan is the guy they want, they should go get him because they most likely can do so. If Brohm is the guy they want, then go get him. But sitting idle in round 2 hoping one guy drops is "letting the game come to you" as opposed to "playing your game", to use a football analogy. Bad idea.

 

[-jb-]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

If they get out with either Ryan or Brohm, they should be okay...but i say this more from the "franchise face" perspective than the talent perspective. Conceivably, any of them can bust or bust out...but they are in dire need of some positive marketing material.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

You think that Ryan = Brohm/Henne/Flacco + two second rounders? I'll give you Flacco, but not the other twr are you disagreeing that all three will be there for the Falcons' second pick?

Let me clarify:If they need a quarterback (they do) and have the firepower to trade up and get the one they want (again, they do) then it would be silly not to do so, especially when there will likely be a handful of other teams (Baltimore, Miami, Minnesota possibly, KC, etc.) that are likely to key in on the 2nd round guys. If Ryan is the guy they want, they should go get him because they most likely can do so. If Brohm is the guy they want, then go get him. But sitting idle in round 2 hoping one guy drops is "letting the game come to you" as opposed to "playing your game", to use a football analogy. Bad idea.

I see what you mean. All I'm saying is that Ryan isn't worth trading up for moreso than the other QBs available. If indeed Brohm is a late 1st rounder, it makes no sense to trade up for Ryan because it would be more affordable to get a QB that's just as good (and probably better) later.

 

[Abraham]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

You think that Ryan = Brohm/Henne/Flacco + two second rounders? I'll give you Flacco, but not the other twr are you disagreeing that all three will be there for the Falcons' second pick?

Let me clarify:If they need a quarterback (they do) and have the firepower to trade up and get the one they want (again, they do) then it would be silly not to do so, especially when there will likely be a handful of other teams (Baltimore, Miami, Minnesota possibly, KC, etc.) that are likely to key in on the 2nd round guys. If Ryan is the guy they want, they should go get him because they most likely can do so. If Brohm is the guy they want, then go get him. But sitting idle in round 2 hoping one guy drops is "letting the game come to you" as opposed to "playing your game", to use a football analogy. Bad idea.

I see what you mean. All I'm saying is that Ryan isn't worth trading up for moreso than the other QBs available. If indeed Brohm is a late 1st rounder, it makes no sense to trade up for Ryan because it would be more affordable to get a QB that's just as good (and probably better) later.

I'd trade up to about 25 and take Henne, but that's just me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The difference between Ryan and Brohm/Henne/Flacco (one of the three will be there at their first 2nd round pick) is not enough to give up two second round picks for.

I couldn't disagree more.

You think that Ryan = Brohm/Henne/Flacco + two second rounders? I'll give you Flacco, but not the other twr are you disagreeing that all three will be there for the Falcons' second pick?

Let me clarify:If they need a quarterback (they do) and have the firepower to trade up and get the one they want (again, they do) then it would be silly not to do so, especially when there will likely be a handful of other teams (Baltimore, Miami, Minnesota possibly, KC, etc.) that are likely to key in on the 2nd round guys. If Ryan is the guy they want, they should go get him because they most likely can do so. If Brohm is the guy they want, then go get him. But sitting idle in round 2 hoping one guy drops is "letting the game come to you" as opposed to "playing your game", to use a football analogy. Bad idea.

I see what you mean. All I'm saying is that Ryan isn't worth trading up for moreso than the other QBs available. If indeed Brohm is a late 1st rounder, it makes no sense to trade up for Ryan because it would be more affordable to get a QB that's just as good (and probably better) later.

I'd trade up to about 25 and take Henne, but that's just me.

You and me. I like Ryan/Brohm/Henne all about the same.

 

[travdogg]

Does anyone else think the Falcons might be opposed to taking Brohm because he was a Petrino guy at Louisville? It would seem petty, but teams have been known to do it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Does anyone else think the Falcons might be opposed to taking Brohm because he was a Petrino guy at Louisville? It would seem petty, but teams have been known to do it.

I really doubt that.

 

[Raider Nation]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

McShay is #2 (behind Julia Robers) on the list of people I'd most like to punch in the mouth. I can't explain why. Probably because he seems like a guy getting paid to talk draft when he doesn't seem know any more than we mooks sitting around our computers discussing it for free.

 

[Marauder]

To me, this scenario doesn't make sense for either team. Atlanta is the team with a lot of holes to fill. All those second round picks will do a lot to fill those holes. NE doesn't have many holes. It seems like getting one more stud would benefit them a lot more than three players who would probably be role players on their team.

 

[Raider Nation]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

McShay is #2 (behind Julia Roberts) on the list of people I'd most like to punch in the mouth. I can't explain why.

That's funny. I like him. He's got that "polite, respectful guy" quality about him. Similar to Kirk Herbstreit.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

McShay is #2 (behind Julia Roberts) on the list of people I'd most like to punch in the mouth. I can't explain why.

That's funny. I like him. He's got that "polite, respectful guy" quality about him. Similar to Kirk Herbstreit.

I like KH too. I wish I was half as pretty as he is.

 

[Raider Nation]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

McShay is #2 (behind Julia Roberts) on the list of people I'd most like to punch in the mouth. I can't explain why.

That's funny. I like him. He's got that "polite, respectful guy" quality about him. Similar to Kirk Herbstreit.

I like KH too. I wish I was half as pretty as he is.

Kirk banged Erin Andrews. You didn't. Advantage, Kirk.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Todd McShay was on Colin Cowherd's show today, and he laid out this exact scenario as a possibility.

Falcons take Dorsey at 3, then trade all of their second-round picks to N.E. in order to take Ryan at 7.

Ol' Todd has a Sirius radio in his car.

McShay is #2 (behind Julia Roberts) on the list of people I'd most like to punch in the mouth. I can't explain why.

That's funny. I like him. He's got that "polite, respectful guy" quality about him. Similar to Kirk Herbstreit.

I like KH too. I wish I was half as pretty as he is.

Kirk banged Erin Andrews. You didn't. Advantage, Kirk.

Now I don't like Herbsteit either. Thanks.