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What?BusterTBronco said:
Which is one of the many issues with using pro bowls as a measure of a player's talent.
Well in this case it's a little more telling than for an alternate that got in. He at least was voted in as a starter to begin with. But when alternates like Roy Williams start getting more PBs because of dropouts then yeah, it doesn't measure much.SSOG said:
And yet, here you are, posting in a thread about the Pro Bowl and who plays in it.Everyone says they don't care about the Pro Bowl, but deep down, everyone cares about the Pro Bowl. I don't care about the Green Party, which is why you don't see me on the street corner holding up a sign either proclaiming OR decrying Ralph Nader. If you don't care about something, you don't take the trouble to weigh in on it.
I think the Pro Bowl is a little bit slow on the uptake. Generally, players don't make it until a year or two AFTER they first start playing at a pro-bowl level, and they don't STOP making it until a year or two after they stop playing at a pro-bowl level. With that said, while it's a flawed measure, in most cases it's a good enough starting point.
All of the DEs picked are one of the best. He didn't deserve to be there over Kerney. How many more votes for DPOY did he get than Kerney? Zero.
about how much we're going to have to shell out to keep him happy.
That is because Trent Cole has not established his name long enough. Trent Cole is the best DE in the NFC. Voters only look at sack totals to judge a DE. That is such a stupid way to judge the position.
So the voters for the Pro Bowl, All Pro, and DPOY all of whom voted more for Kerney than Cole ALL got it wrong and voted for the wrong guy just based on his sack totals? Gotcha.
It's also voted on, so how accurate of much of a measure of talent can it be?
I may be a homer, but I am an informed one. The Eagles season sucked, but two players had outstanding years. Brian Westbrook(lead the NFL in yards from scrimmage), and Trent Cole.Trent Cole was a 5th round linebacker from Cincinnati. Nobody expected much of him, not even the Eagles. They planned on him being a Rashean Mathis type of end. A guy who could rush the passer on obvious passing downs. Everybody has been shocked at how great he has been.Jim Johnson could not keep Cole off the field since the first pre-season Cole played in. Big money free agents Jevon Kearse, and Darren Howard sit on the bench because Cole is so good. He is a devastating pass rusher, with a move that he has perfected. He ducks under OTs arms while still maintaining his balance, and rushes full speed to the QB. The only was to stop this move is to have double team help, grab Cole by the neck, or tackle Trent. I don't know of any place that keeps official stats for this, but I guarantee Trent Cole leads the NFL in drawing holding penalties on his opponents.The Eagles like most people thought that Cole would be a liability in run support. Well he has been OUTSTANDING in that department. He holds the point of attack well, he maintains his gap well, he is an excellent tackler, and he is great at sniffing out screens. Cole leads all NFL DE's with 11 tackles for a loss. That is just as good as getting a sack.(loss of yardage and loss of down) That gives him a total of 23.5 tackles for loss including his sacks.(leads NFL)Cole also had more tackles at DE(70) than any DE who has any pass rushing ability(any DE in the top 80 of sacks).Cole never gets tired, and does not take plays off. He is the type of guy who can play every snap on the game. In some zone blitzes Jim Johnson drops him back into coverage(he is athletic enough. played LB in college) and can defend a pass even.He is just a much better total player than Patrick Kerney is. The only end in the NFC I would take over Cole is Demarcus Ware, and he technically plays OLB.Even though Cole backed into this Pro Bowl, believe me this wont be his last. Look for him to be back next year, and many times after that.
Kampman is better.
Well I think it is obvious that you should care about the green party...then
