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***Patriots(9-4) at Colts(7-6)*** (-2.5) O/U 45.5 The KFC "Carson Mac Bowl" (1 Viewer)

Westbrook would fell down at the 1.

99% chance Indy wins but it would been 100% if he didn't score.

 
But bill belichek takes away what you do best.  Most annoying thing I've ever heard.  All of the ESPN dopes love to use it like they have never heard it before. 

 
Insein said:
He absolutely was and he absolutely did. 
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watched it 4 times....they coulda called it but he didnt target high...and was only a fraction early when viewed in slo-mo...they rarely call it PI when that close. could have gone either way but really wasn't all that egregious IMHO

 
Its funny, but that's 2 games so far this week, that I came out of thinking the better team lost. In the Chargers case it was that they had some coaching errors and injury issues, that contributed at least.

This game actually made me really worried about Indy. Wentz looked as bad as ever and was carried by 3 defensive turnovers, including 1 for a TD. That likely doesn't happen again this season. Credit to Indy's D for playing well, but this team isn't a real threat with Wentz in my opinion, and was a scarier team with Rivers last year. 

 
SoBeDad said:
Even CEH? What a bad selection by KC.
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That pick will never not be baffling. Even if you were unsure of Taylor's fit in an offense that requires pass catching skill, Swift was there too. 

Truly a puzzling pick in both hindsight and foresight, even before getting into the logic of taking a 1st round RB in the first place. 

 
Dez said:
Westbrook would fell down at the 1.

99% chance Indy wins but it would been 100% if he didn't score.
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Not necessarily.  He scored before the 2-minute warning, and if he goes down and the whistle blows before 2:00, they'd have to run a play before the 2-minute warning and could then not run the clock out. Better to score in that situation. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Not necessarily.  He scored before the 2-minute warning, and if he goes down and the whistle blows before 2:00, they'd have to run a play before the 2-minute warning and could then not run the clock out. Better to score in that situation. 
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If he went down the clock runs down to the 2 min warning.

NE had no timeouts left game was over.  40 + 40 + 40 = 2 minutes.  Any time a team gets a 1st down at the 2 minute warning and another team has no timeouts game is over to 3 kneel downs.

 
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travdogg said:
Its funny, but that's 2 games so far this week, that I came out of thinking the better team lost. In the Chargers case it was that they had some coaching errors and injury issues, that contributed at least.

This game actually made me really worried about Indy. Wentz looked as bad as ever and was carried by 3 defensive turnovers, including 1 for a TD. That likely doesn't happen again this season. Credit to Indy's D for playing well, but this team isn't a real threat with Wentz in my opinion, and was a scarier team with Rivers last year. 
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Not me. I think Wentz had a rough night, but NE got exposed. 

the Colts gave BB a taste of his own very recent medicine. They ran at will, JT gashing for 10+ yards when the Pats knew it was coming. They dared Mac Jones to beat them, and outside of the last 6 mins of the game, he failed every test. The picks were ugly, and he absolutely should have had another one. 

Sure, the Colts need to tighten up. But NEP has deeper issues in that Jones is nowhere near ready for the bright lights & intensity of a playoff game.

 
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Dez said:
If he went down the clock runs down to the 2 min warning.

NE had no timeouts left game was over.  40 + 40 + 40 = 2 minutes.  Any time a team gets a 1st down at the 2 minute warning and another team has no timeouts game is over to 3 kneel downs.
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This. 

I was watching that run, remembering Todd Gurley having a walk-in TD & falling to the ground to ice the game. 

Inwas displeased, as I thought I might just need those points in an important matchup.

And it turned out I did. 
:kicksrock:  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Not me. I think Wentz had a rough night, but NE got exposed. 

the Colts gave BB a taste of his own very recent medicine. They ran at will, JT gashing for 10+ yards when the Pats knew it was coming. They dated Mac Jones to beat them, and outside of the last 6 mins of the game, he failed every test. The picks were ugly, and he absolutely should have had another one. 

Sure, the Colts need to tighten up. But NEP has deeper issues in that Jones is nowhere near ready for the bright lights & intensity of a playoff game.
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I'm on record in the Pats thread as a salty hater who thinks that once the rubber meets the road we'll see that Jones isn't ready just yet. That's not to say he hasn't had a rookie season that has wildly exceeded any expectations, but relying on him to beat some of these teams, like L.A. and KC, is going to be a tall order. We saw last night that Indy was running away with the game in part due to Mac's turnovers. 

He's got a bright future according to almost every analyst, but I don't think he's ready. 

 
rockaction said:
I'm on record in the Pats thread as a salty hater who thinks that once the rubber meets the road we'll see that Jones isn't ready just yet. That's not to say he hasn't had a rookie season that has wildly exceeded any expectations, but relying on him to beat some of these teams, like L.A. and KC, is going to be a tall order. We saw last night that Indy was running away with the game in part due to Mac's turnovers. 

He's got a bright future according to almost every analyst, but I don't think he's ready. 
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I agree. This team isn’t built to come from behind. And Indy’s pass rush wasn’t that effective last night. It’ll be interesting to see what happens against teams that can put Jones on the ground 4-5 times.

his body language on the sidelines was awful, and he was more inaccurate than Wentz.

Also, even on the comeback attempt that the announcers were gushing over, let’s not overlook the 3rd and long where he escaped pressure, faced more pressure & threw back across his body for a really fortunate reception to a dude who was in tight coverage. That was far more stupid than good, and 90% of the time will be an interception rather than a drive-saving completion. 

I was shaking my head after that one. While it looked like a completed pass on the stat sheet, it was a very, very no good terrible decision that just happened to work out. 

As for his future, his upside may be limited. He certainly landed on the right team to feature his skill set. If anything happens to the depth & quality of that Pats D, in my opinion Jones will get even more exposed. 

 
Dez said:
If he went down the clock runs down to the 2 min warning.

NE had no timeouts left game was over.  40 + 40 + 40 = 2 minutes.  Any time a team gets a 1st down at the 2 minute warning and another team has no timeouts game is over to 3 kneel downs.
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 Oh yeah, duh on my part. :lol:   Good call. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
As for his future, his upside may be limited. He certainly landed on the right team to feature his skill set. If anything happens to the depth & quality of that Pats D, in my opinion Jones will get even more exposed. 
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I've gotten to the point where unless something is glaring, I listen to the film guys. I don't know enough to evaluate a guy. They all seem to think he's good and needs some receivers who can stretch the field and separate. Who knows, really? We shall see. 

 
rockaction said:
I've gotten to the point where unless something is glaring, I listen to the film guys. I don't know enough to evaluate a guy. They all seem to think he's good and needs some receivers who can stretch the field and separate. Who knows, really? We shall see. 
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He’s not terrible. He does need some guys who can stretch the field. 

But on one such play last night, he had Harry wiiiiiide open for a 40 yard TD & just didn’t see him. Glaringly so.

As of right now I’m unconvinced that his only issue is not having guys who can stretch the field. 

That said, when he more had time to throw in the 1st half, he threw an absolutely perfect pass to Meyers down the sideline & Meyers just completely whiffed.  But having that sort of time isn’t always a luxury in the NFL, and under pressure Jones was consistently awful last night. 

I’m sure the analysts are sharper & more knowledgeable than me as well, but I do know what I watched last night. And I remember the scouting reports from pre-draft that had Jones as the most NFL-ready, but lowest ceiling QB in the 1st round. To date I haven’t seen any compelling evidence to prove those draft analysts wrong. He’s had moments. He’s protected the rock. And BB has largely protected Jones with conservative playcalling. 

I’m interested to see how Jones fares in the playoffs when playing conservatively might not be in the cards. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Not me. I think Wentz had a rough night, but NE got exposed. 

the Colts gave BB a taste of his own very recent medicine. They ran at will, JT gashing for 10+ yards when the Pats knew it was coming. They dared Mac Jones to beat them, and outside of the last 6 mins of the game, he failed every test. The picks were ugly, and he absolutely should have had another one. 

Sure, the Colts need to tighten up. But NEP has deeper issues in that Jones is nowhere near ready for the bright lights & intensity of a playoff game.
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Kurt Warner, whose opinion I really respect, liked what he saw from Jones last night 

🤷🏻‍♂️

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
He’s not terrible. He does need some guys who can stretch the field. 

But on one such play last night, he had Harry wiiiiiide open for a 40 yard TD & just didn’t see him. Glaringly so.

As of right now I’m unconvinced that his only issue is not having guys who can stretch the field. 

That said, when he more had time to throw in the 1st half, he threw an absolutely perfect pass to Meyers down the sideline & Meyers just completely whiffed.  But having that sort of time isn’t always a luxury in the NFL, and under pressure Jones was consistently awful last night. 

I’m sure the analysts are sharper & more knowledgeable than me as well, but I do know what I watched last night. And I remember the scouting reports from pre-draft that had Jones as the most NFL-ready, but lowest ceiling QB in the 1st round. To date I haven’t seen any compelling evidence to prove those draft analysts wrong. He’s had moments. He’s protected the rock. And BB has largely protected Jones with conservative playcalling. 

I’m interested to see how Jones fares in the playoffs when playing conservatively might not be in the cards. 
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I'm more concerned about Wentz than Jones, when it comes playoff time. The AFC is completely wide open. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody like the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. I think its really going to be a weekly whack a mole a bit. Where as in the NFC, I feel really good about Tampa Bay, and think all roads go through them. 

 
travdogg said:
I'm more concerned about Wentz than Jones, when it comes playoff time. The AFC is completely wide open. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody like the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. I think its really going to be a weekly whack a mole a bit. Where as in the NFC, I feel really good about Tampa Bay, and think all roads go through them. 
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Yeah, I can see that. But as inconsistent as Wentz is, he’s also got some mojo. he has escalability & has shown the ability to make big plays while improvising.

I’ve seen none of that from Jones, and I’d be very concerned if he’s forced to do so. I trust Wentz scrambling/throwing on the run a heck of a lot more than I’d trust Mc Jones, and to be clear, I don’t particularly trust Wentz.

In the playoffs, especially the super bowl  

AFC looks a lot weaker than the elite of the NFC for the 1st time in a while though. At least at the moment.

I think Jones is going to be overmatched in the playoffs. We’ll see… 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Yeah, I can see that. But as inconsistent as Wentz is, he’s also got some mojo. he has escalability & has shown the ability to make big plays while improvising.

I’ve seen none of that from Jones, and I’d be very concerned if he’s forced to do so. I trust Wentz scrambling/throwing on the run a heck of a lot more than I’d trust Mc Jones, and to be clear, I don’t particularly trust Wentz.

In the playoffs, especially the super bowl  

AFC looks a lot weaker than the elite of the NFC for the 1st time in a while though. At least at the moment.

I think Jones is going to be overmatched in the playoffs. We’ll see… 
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Jones had a couple of bad decisions. He got duped on the pick at the goal line when the backer dropped into coverage. But overall he had some really good throws and a couple of drops at bad times. Not many QBs would have had the one TD to Henry. The window was inches. It’s not Jones’ fault the special teams unit cost them 10 points on a blocked punt and a penalty on a missed FG. And he didn’t let Taylor ramble to the house. I don’t thin Jones was punching above his weight class. NE just made too many mistakes. So sure, if you are suggesting he will be overmatched if the defense and special teams don’t play well, the running game is ineffective or not an option because they are behind, and they commit bonehead penalties, then sure, I agree Jones isn’t bringing them back from that in the playoffs. But I would put that at the coaching staff more than Jones. 

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Kurt Warner, whose opinion I really respect, liked what he saw from Jones last night 

🤷🏻‍♂️
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I did as well...when I read some of the criticisms of Jones it reminds me 100% of the criticisms of Brady early in his career and while it is easy to forget those criticisms were very loud by some...last night he faced big time adversity for any QB let alone a rookie and there is zero doubt he made some bad decisions but the kid showed great poise and kept moving forward which is why the veterans believe in him...that being said he was absolutely hung out to dry by McDaniels in the first half and unfortunately, he is playing with limited weapons so he's not getting much help there...the Pats just don't have the firepower to get easy points in a game like that which is why getting that #1 or #2 seed is so important for them because they need homefield as much as possible...overall I could not be happier with Jones...I am not saying he is the next Brady but he absolutely shows many of the same qualities/intangibles Brady did at this point of his career...it probably won't happen this year but with Jones on a rookie contract for 4 more years I fully expect them to be contending for championships every year going forward and he will be one of the main reasons why.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
Jones had a couple of bad decisions. He got duped on the pick at the goal line when the backer dropped into coverage. But overall he had some really good throws and a couple of drops at bad times. Not many QBs would have had the one TD to Henry. The window was inches. It’s not Jones’ fault the special teams unit cost them 10 points on a blocked punt and a penalty on a missed FG. And he didn’t let Taylor ramble to the house. I don’t thin Jones was punching above his weight class. NE just made too many mistakes. So sure, if you are suggesting he will be overmatched if the defense and special teams don’t play well, the running game is ineffective or not an option because they are behind, and they commit bonehead penalties, then sure, I agree Jones isn’t bringing them back from that in the playoffs. But I would put that at the coaching staff more than Jones. 
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We’re almost saying they same thing. This Pats team is winning by limiting Jones, not featuring him. And yeah - the Colts just gave every team the recipe. Load the box & dare Jones to put it up 30+ times. Mistakes will be made. 

How did you like that throw across his body? Nice result, terrible decision. Probably his worst of the night.

We seem to agree though - if the Pats formula of limiting Jones deviates at all; he’s Likely going to get exposed. If the Pats either can’t run well, or if the defense falters; Jones is unlikely to win them a game, especially if the D lets them down.

my hot take, anyway. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
We’re almost saying they same thing. This Pats team is winning by limiting Jones, not featuring him. And yeah - the Colts just gave every team the recipe. Load the box & dare Jones to put it up 30+ times. Mistakes will be made. 

How did you like that throw across his body? Nice result, terrible decision. Probably his worst of the night.

We seem to agree though - if the Pats formula of limiting Jones deviates at all; he’s Likely going to get exposed. If the Pats either can’t run well, or if the defense falters; Jones is unlikely to win them a game, especially if the D lets them down.

my hot take, anyway. 
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Jones didn’t cost them the game though. Against good teams, allowing 10 points on mistakes on special teams and committing penalties on big plays is the recipe fo ANY team to lose. 

People forget in Brady’s first season they played exactly the same way. IIRC, Brady led one comeback during the season. They won by running the ball and playing tough nosed defense with a FG kicker that made clutch kicks. That’s the same formula they are using now. Who knows if that style of play still works. 

IMO, last night’s game swung on a handful of plays, which last night went the Colts way. The blocked punt was one. The drop by Meyers deep on the sideline. The pick before halftime. And the Collins dropped would be pick six. I think the game was pretty even matched. I thought Jones was fine. As you said, the winning strategy is not to get behind 3 TD and then have him turn into Mahomes. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
@rockactionSince you care 😆, turns out in that league's scoring system, the Colts and Vikings both got 11. 
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A common mistake was made here. It's that you think I might not care. Quite the contrary: having been a decade-plus player, I am fascinated by different scoring systems and also the way fantasy football affects men's lives and friends' moods, two wildly different subjects with different reasons, but both with a passion nonetheless. 

I am that looming face that says I care. Is that face creepy and strained at times? Yes, yes it is. But it's there. 

 
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