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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

Percent of NFL teams actively trying to steal play sheets?

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mbuehner said:
You guys are priceless. Most popular player in the league is going to be suspended significantly. You're so quaint. :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag:
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Peterson was popular and he was suspended most of the season for doing what probably a majority of parents have done for decades.

 
General Tso said:
TDorBust said:
Awwww poor poor Patriots don't you hate when a team with no history of cheating is being questioned about what the NFL is investigating to see if their actions were outright cheating?

Oh wait forgot the Patriots under the exact same management has been caught previously so they are less likely to get a benefit of the doubt.

Also I see no point in those fans of the Patriots commenting until the NFL releases their findings and hands down punishment if any. Did I miss something or is your team in the Super Bowl? No matter the findings they will not be forced to forfeit anything...

One last thing the reason people are saying to tar and feather the Patriots is not over nothing as RunItUp would say it's because if they are found guilty essentially there will not be a real punishment likely. I would expect maybe a late round draft pick if that and possibly a fine. Unlike the last Patriot cheating incident the NFL investigated there likely isn't video proof or a paper trail which makes any strong handed punishment likely off limits to be handed down by the NFL.
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Patently obvious that you haven't read the last 10 pages of this thread and are about 3 days behind in the news cycle. Not only are the Pats apparently innocent, they were likely screwed with a bogus sting operation. Suck on that.
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:scared:

Chat room tough guy haha

 
Patriots forced to sell team and move to L.A. Brady and Belichcik executed via public stoning at 50 yard line at Gillette Stadium prior to demolition of stadium. All equipment personnel beheaded and heads placed on pikes surrounding the rubble of the stadium.

 
netnalp said:
mbuehner said:
You guys are priceless. Most popular player in the league is going to be suspended significantly. You're so quaint. :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag:
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Peterson was popular and he was suspended most of the season for doing what probably a majority of parents have done for decades.
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Peterson WAS popular, until he did something that made him one of the most hated players in the league. And even so the NFL let the Vikings handle the punishment until it was clear how the wind was blowing.

 
BroadwayG said:
Patriots forced to sell team and move to L.A. Brady and Belichcik executed via public stoning at 50 yard line at Gillette Stadium prior to demolition of stadium. All equipment personnel beheaded and heads placed on pikes surrounding the rubble of the stadium.
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The only realistic question about any of this is will they salt the earth where Gillette once stood? Other than that, no-one that ever played on a Brady team will be allowed in a stadium, casino, or shopping mall where Madden games are sold, ever again.

 
This thread needs a solid hippling. So many arrogant posts from arm chair scientists trying to deflect any blame from their idols to choose from.

 
Did the equipment guys not cooperate with the investigation? It seems like a few simple questions would eliminate the 'possibly probably likely may have done something' result.

 
IrishTwinkie said:
This thread needs a solid hippling. So many arrogant posts from arm chair scientists trying to deflect any blame from their idols to choose from.
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Did you read the last 130 pages of the Wells report, where it says the exact same thing people were saying months ago?

 
So they have no proof of wrong doing but think they most likely did something underhanded? What a joke. This whole thing from beginning to end is laughable. Haters enjoy piling on.

 
BroadwayG said:
Did the equipment guys not cooperate with the investigation? It seems like a few simple questions would eliminate the 'possibly probably likely may have done something' result.
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They cooperated and talked with the investigators four times. It was at the fifth request they said enough was enough.

 
I thought Brady was better than this until I saw his press conference. You could tell he was uncomfortable and I didn't believe anything he was saying. He's had multiple opportunites to come clean. He declined turning over text messages and stated he didn't know about the 2006 rule change when he was a part of the committee. He will be suspended because he contined to not tell the truth.

 
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.

 
Godsbrother said:
$100K fine for the team.
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That's what I think. Maybe something like a 5th or 6th round pick taken away. Brady maybe gets a $50k fine or something like that.

The only real penalty that has any chance of being levied is HOF voters holding up BB and Brady like baseball has for Bonds and McGuire. But I doubt that happens either since the sports media is constantly fawning over BB for being such a genius and never has anything bad to say about Brady. If the sports media came out en force and declared that the entire Pats' dynasty was tainted from their multiple cheating scandals and that the entire organization is disgraced, then there would be a real and fitting penalty.

Their rings and trophies and money will never be taken away, but their reputation and their standing in history absolutely could, and should, be.

 
metoo said:
I thought Brady was better than this until I saw his press conference. You could tell he was uncomfortable and I didn't believe anything he was saying. He's had multiple opportunites to come clean. He declined turning over text messages and stated he didn't know about the 2006 rule change when he was a part of the committee. He will be suspended because he contined to not tell the truth.
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We've seen a lot of Brady, but never once have I heard him talk like that.

 
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Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
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In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.

Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.

This entire thing has multiple points where it hinges on completely nothing but someones word. The balls were at 12.5 before the game, because the official responsible for making sure they were, said they were - the Wells investigation accepts this as fact, ignoring that they weren't recorded, DESPITE the complaint pregame and the briefing telling him to make sure.

 
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Run It Up said:
Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
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In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.
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Haven't read much and haven't had time to watch anything today but I was seeing texts from the equipment guys basically saying they were getting stuff from Brady. Is that not right?
 
jonessed said:
I'm surprised Brady lied so outright.
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What a stupid thing to ruin your reputation over. So you like the ball with a little less air in it, just admit you made a mistake and broke the rule. It would have been a slap on the wrist and people would be calling him "Honest Tom".

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't have time to read the report now. Is there anything that specifically indicates the Pats deflated football post pre game inspection? For example, Brady could have said he likes footballs on the under inflated side and they gave footballs to the refs that were under inflated for pregame inspection. Other than suggesting they could have done something afterwards, does the report state what was done, where, when, and by whom? It sounds like they are saying they don't know what they did but they probably did something.
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I skimmed the report, but I couldn't find anything specifically proving they deflated post-inspection. Bottom of Page 9 says they assume that the Patriots PSI started at 12.5, which is a huge assumption.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/05/06/0ap3000000491381.pdf

 
The General said:
Run It Up said:
Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
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In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.
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Haven't read much and haven't had time to watch anything today but I was seeing texts from the equipment guys basically saying they were getting stuff from Brady. Is that not right?
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Thats how I interpreted the text messages yes. Mcnally seemed to be receiving gifts from Brady (something in the report claims he does for everyone, and didn't for Mcnally until he knew who Mcnally even was.)

The equipment manager, the guy that isn't Mcnally is the guy Tom Brady knew, and was having conversations with Mcnally via text. When the Wells investigation asked Tom if he knew Mcnally and he said no, people thought that was odd, but even in the text messages it makes it pretty ####### clear that Tom doesn't deal with Mcnally ever, he deals with his equipment manager.

Edit: The other guy: John Jastremski, equipment manager.

 
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Run It Up said:
Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
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In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.

Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.

This entire thing has multiple points where it hinges on completely nothing but someones word. The balls were at 12.5 before the game, because the official responsible for making sure they were, said they were - the Wells investigation accepts this as fact, ignoring that they weren't recorded, DESPITE the complaint pregame and the briefing telling him to make sure.
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no, they are certain something happened. We know the balls were under-inflated beyond what could be expected from atmospheric conditions. We know the locker room attendants were sensitive to air pressure in the balls, at the direction of Brady. We know the balls were out of control from the officials pre-game, specifically the balls were in possession of the attendant for 1:40 pre-game. We know it is possible to deflate 12 balls within 1:40.

The only thing missing is a signed confession or video evidence of the crime.

 
Strip them of XLIX. And just so the Pats fans will not freak out because I'm a Seahawks fan, I'm *100% not saying the Seahawks should get it either*. 2014 ends with no SB winner.

 
moleculo said:
Run It Up said:
Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
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In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.

Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.

This entire thing has multiple points where it hinges on completely nothing but someones word. The balls were at 12.5 before the game, because the official responsible for making sure they were, said they were - the Wells investigation accepts this as fact, ignoring that they weren't recorded, DESPITE the complaint pregame and the briefing telling him to make sure.
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no, they are certain something happened. We know the balls were under-inflated beyond what could be expected from atmospheric conditions. We know the locker room attendants were sensitive to air pressure in the balls, at the direction of Brady. We know the balls were out of control from the officials pre-game, specifically the balls were in possession of the attendant for 1:40 pre-game. We know it is possible to deflate 12 balls within 1:40.

The only thing missing is a signed confession or video evidence of the crime.
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I love how the balls are out of control for a minute forty, when in reality according to the Wells reported, at some point the balls straight up "disappeared" and the officials responsible had "no idea" where they had gone. It wasn't until later that the security personnel said that Mcnally just took the ball bag into the other room to watch the NFC championship game, until he left for the field before stopping off at the bathroom for a minute forty.

Unaccounted for a minute forty? Or an indeterminable amount of time, because the people responsible for them, weren't being responsible for them?

 
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moleculo said:
Run It Up said:
Courtjester said:
What's going to be interesting is the first interviews of

the ball guys now that it looks like they are going to take

the fall here. Do they just go all crazy and burn the whole

house down and spill more details?

The thing that hurts Brady is the commish can't risk someone

playing the race card here if he is planning on going easy

on Brady.

Peterson and Rice's actions took place off the field and they

got basically a year. Brady's actions took place on the field and

"Could" have impacted the actual game. I think he gets 4-6 games.

Sorry typing this on a phone.
Click to expand...
In the Peterson and Rice situations, Peterson and Rice were guilty of something.

Brady isn't guilty of anything, he is loosely connected to two individuals who might have done something but after a 100 day investigation they aren't certain anything even happened.

This entire thing has multiple points where it hinges on completely nothing but someones word. The balls were at 12.5 before the game, because the official responsible for making sure they were, said they were - the Wells investigation accepts this as fact, ignoring that they weren't recorded, DESPITE the complaint pregame and the briefing telling him to make sure.
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no, they are certain something happened. We know the balls were under-inflated beyond what could be expected from atmospheric conditions. We know the locker room attendants were sensitive to air pressure in the balls, at the direction of Brady. We know the balls were out of control from the officials pre-game, specifically the balls were in possession of the attendant for 1:40 pre-game. We know it is possible to deflate 12 balls within 1:40.

The only thing missing is a signed confession or video evidence of the crime.
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This is impossible to know, unless you know the starting PSI. Which the report clearly says that they assume is 12.5 PSI.

There was a CNNSI video of refs checking ball pressure for another game, and they sure didn't look very diligent in checking PSI. I believe one of the refs in the video checking PSI says something like: "eh...close enough".

 
Wouldnt it be hilarious if the Patriots were on to the sting and this was the one game they actually didn't doctor the balls?

 
Following New England’s 27-25 win over the Jets in Week 7, Brady “complained angrily” about the inflation levels of the footballs, the report stated, which prompted an exchange between McNally and Jastremski.

“Tom sucks,” McNally wrote in a text message to Jastremski. “im going to make that next ball a f--king balloon.”
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A week later, on October 23, Jastremski texted McNally “Can’t wait to give you your needle this week:)” to which McNally responded, “F--k tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....f--kin watermelons coming.”

“So angry,” Jastremski responded.

“The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating,” McNally responded.
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The report also shows that the two were aware of deflating footballs as early as May of 2014, with McNally referring to himself as “the deflator” in texts with Jastremski.

McNally worked for the Patriots for 32 years as a seasonal part-time employee and, judging from the text messages, knew that the Patriots were playing fast and loose with the rules.

“I’m not going to ESPN........ yet,” he texted Jastremski on May 9, 2014.

In addition to cursing Brady, McNally also seemed to want some sort of payment in exchange for his ball deflating services.

“I have a big needle for u this week,” Jastremski wrote to McNally before a Week 8 game against the Bears.

“Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday,” McNally responded. “F--k tom.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I didn't read the report...but they have texts from Brady saying to do this? Or is it hearsay?
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They don't have any texts from Brady.

They have texts between John Jastremski (Patriots equipment manager) and Mcnally (Patriots locker room attendant).

Up for interpretation, but its mostly about Mcnally doing his job, which is preparing footballs. Starts with the Jets games where apparently officials overinflated Pats balls, something Brady was upset about, and was conveyed to Mcnally via John Jastremski.

 
How can anyone honestly read the report and those text messages and still believe that there was no deliberate tampering of the footballs? Blind homerism is still strong in this thread.

 
Does anyone really believe that the NFL is going to kick off the 2015 NFL season in prime time with Tom Brady serving a suspension? Along with Bell and Blount? Are they really going to allow the 2015 season be tainted from the very beginning by letting that storyline run the entire week leading up to that game and being the centerpiece of that game? And let it be a reminder that the Super Bowl was tainted?

No way. If the NFL does anything, I would wager it drops a BIG fine on Brady and wipes it's hands.that way they can start the 2015 season by pretending it was taken care of and everything is cool.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Does anyone really believe that the NFL is going to kick off the 2015 NFL season in prime time with Tom Brady serving a suspension? Along with Bell and Blount? Are they really going to allow the 2015 season be tainted from the very beginning by letting that storyline run the entire week leading up to that game and being the centerpiece of that game? And let it be a reminder that the Super Bowl was tainted?

No way. If the NFL does anything, I would wager it drops a BIG fine on Brady and wipes it's hands.that way they can start the 2015 season by pretending it was taken care of and everything is cool.
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I think this is right. And is also how it should be. We have multiple instances of other teams doctoring balls, this is about the equivalent of pitchers scuffing baseballs. Im pretty sure the NFL didnt take their eyes off the SB balls and Brady seemed to do ok.

 
encaitar said:
How can anyone honestly read the report and those text messages and still believe that there was no deliberate tampering of the footballs? Blind homerism is still strong in this thread.
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It's par for the course where fandom is concerned. Not to steal Pats fans' favorite line, but everyone does it. There are still people who believe Floyd Mayweather and Greg Hardy don't abuse women. I'm sure if it was the Packers I'd be covering my ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" too.

 
encaitar said:
How can anyone honestly read the report and those text messages and still believe that there was no deliberate tampering of the footballs? Blind homerism is still strong in this thread.
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How can anyone read the report, and not understand what "probable" means? "Probable" mean "likely", but doesn't prove it.

 
espnespn said:
encaitar said:
How can anyone honestly read the report and those text messages and still believe that there was no deliberate tampering of the footballs? Blind homerism is still strong in this thread.
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How can anyone read the report, and not understand what "probable" means? "Probable" mean "likely", but doesn't prove it.
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I'm unclear on the name 'Deflater'.

When someone calls them self that, what does it mean?

 
GroveDiesel said:
Does anyone really believe that the NFL is going to kick off the 2015 NFL season in prime time with Tom Brady serving a suspension? Along with Bell and Blount? Are they really going to allow the 2015 season be tainted from the very beginning by letting that storyline run the entire week leading up to that game and being the centerpiece of that game? And let it be a reminder that the Super Bowl was tainted?

No way. If the NFL does anything, I would wager it drops a BIG fine on Brady and wipes it's hands.that way they can start the 2015 season by pretending it was taken care of and everything is cool.
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This is 100% what happens. Maybe they take a late draft pick, but there's a .0001% chance they'll have a season-opening game without Tom Brady in it.

 
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