Patriots being investigated after Colts game (4 Viewers)

[12punch]

A great big old asterisk just got dropped on the Pats 2014 superbowl title.

I really disagree with this. I don't think the crime is all that big of a deal. It is more so the integrity has to be upheld for the NFL and the game going forward. You have to continue to set a precedent that if you are going to try and bend rules and then lie about it you will get punished hard.

Now, filming a teams walk through deserves an asterisk but this is minor as far as gaining much of an advantage over anyone.

And we all know in the SB that the balls had the correct amount of air in them. Brady looked just fine marching down the field for 328 yards and 4 td tosses.

The thing that is annoying is Pats fans trying to defend Brady lying about this whole fiasco. I will say it again. He did it, and he should just say he played a part and move forward. This is going to be just as nauseating as Lance Armstrong trying to defend himself when everyone knew he was cheating if the Pats play that angle.

I really have come to respect how good of a coach Bellicheck has been. I also respect the competitor and qb Brady is. I am willing to give them a pass here if he comes clean. The longer the Pats fans and Kraft and company try to play the Brady is innocent card is where I will lose respect for them.

I had just started to gain some of the lost respect I had for them with spygate. That was just flat out cheating. This though is much more minor but the lying is going to wear on me. I really think they lying is what has pissed off Goodell and company.

did you e-mail them that so they at least know they're on notice?

 

[12punch]

You know, as a Pats fan I'll say this much: at least deflategate was about something. I mean, you can imagine they gained some advantage from it, and clearly some effort was put in to getting it done and getting away with it.

What blows my mind is the people saying this is nothing compared to spygate. Really? Spygate was ridiculous! Spygate was a cameraman on the sidelines (instead of the press box, the stands, etc.) Barely any effort was made to conceal it, because they just thought "who could possibly give a crap"? Stealing signals is a part of football, kind of like a hard count: it may seem a little cheap, but it's perfectly above board. Spygate was just a technical infraction as to how they went about stealing those signals.

I don't think deflategate is very bad either, but it's worse than spygate IMO.

they're both equally ridiculous

what's bad is our secondary

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

A great big old asterisk just got dropped on the Pats 2014 superbowl title.

I really disagree with this. I don't think the crime is all that big of a deal. It is more so the integrity has to be upheld for the NFL and the game going forward. You have to continue to set a precedent that if you are going to try and bend rules and then lie about it you will get punished hard.

Now, filming a teams walk through deserves an asterisk but this is minor as far as gaining much of an advantage over anyone.

And we all know in the SB that the balls had the correct amount of air in them. Brady looked just fine marching down the field for 328 yards and 4 td tosses.

The thing that is annoying is Pats fans trying to defend Brady lying about this whole fiasco. I will say it again. He did it, and he should just say he played a part and move forward. This is going to be just as nauseating as Lance Armstrong trying to defend himself when everyone knew he was cheating if the Pats play that angle.

I really have come to respect how good of a coach Bellicheck has been. I also respect the competitor and qb Brady is. I am willing to give them a pass here if he comes clean. The longer the Pats fans and Kraft and company try to play the Brady is innocent card is where I will lose respect for them.

I had just started to gain some of the lost respect I had for them with spygate. That was just flat out cheating. This though is much more minor but the lying is going to wear on me. I really think they lying is what has pissed off Goodell and company.

did you e-mail them that so they at least know they're on notice?

Can I not talk about my own personal view point of the situation without a Pats fan being an ###?

 

[12punch]

whole lotta teams winning their superbowl in may this year

fbg parade next week?

 

[biju]

They should have made Kraft sell the team and then move it to North Dakota.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It is clear to the general population and to the NFL that Brady is guilty in his actions but there is no full proof test to prove it. Therefore you have homers and Pats brass screaming that it is not fair, because you don't know for sure. Truth is that even in the court of law you have to make decisions based on the evidence at hand. I think is safe to assume that most people believe Brady is guilty in this scenario. I do want to say that there are worse cheaters in the NFL then what Brady has just done. In my opinion steroids is a worse form of cheating than this. Brady though has amplified his crime by being uncooperative and the NFL are setting another precedent for cheaters that lie like what Brady is doing.

The continuously defending someone who is guilty is going to get annoying. Once again, the crime here is minor. The way it is being dealt with by Brady and company is not. Hence the massive punishment.

Trying to bend equipment rules happens in all sports. In baseball you have pitchers with pine tar or a batter with a corked bat. In hockey you have illegal curves on sticks and goalies trying to gain that little advantage with pad size etc. What Brady did was just get really complicated in his cheating process for a minor gain and now is trying to lie his way out of it. Just man up admit it and move on.

 

[12punch]

looks like they're already making a movie about this

 

[cstu]

Brady needs to come clean now

Ian O'Connor, Senior Writer, ESPN.com

Much sooner rather than later, Tom Brady needs to call the most important audible of his football life. His crime against sport is not in the same ballpark as those committed by Pete Rose, Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez, not even close, so there is no reason to follow their path of endless denial and deceit before finally telling the truth.

Brady needs to come clean right now. This is not about Brady's agent, Don Yee, or his father, Tom Sr., because agents and parents are expected to scream and shout while protecting their own. This is about the quarterback of the New England Patriots, nobody else.

Brady should hit the mute button on Yee and pass on his right to appeal. He should instruct the players' union to stand down. He should do the right thing here and admit that he knowingly broke the rules, that he was chin strap-deep in the illegal deflation of game balls, and that he deserves a four-game suspension that was always a fitting penalty for his cheating and refusal to cooperate with Ted Wells.

For all of his royal screwups in disciplining players, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell -- with an assist from Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent -- notarized the perfect punishment for the imperfect crime. Goodell and Vincent sent a strong message at the expense of the four-time Super Bowl champ, and yet didn't touch last season's title run or kill the chances of Brady leading the Patriots to their 13th division crown on his watch. The quarterback gets to play in 75 percent of this season's games and loses something he doesn't need, money, while Jimmy Garoppolo leads the Pats to the same 2-2 record the first-stringer led them to in 2014.

And then that first-stringer gets to come back and take it all out on the Indianapolis Colts to boot.

The Colts didn't do this to Brady by tipping off NFL officials and refs before and during the AFC Championship Game blowout. Brady did this to Brady. He was so desperate to win and to keep proving over and over he should've been the No. 1 pick in the 2000 draft, not the 199th pick, that, as the Wells report makes apparent, he conspired with a couple of low-level staffers to doctor game balls to his liking.

In his letter to the Patriots, Vincent acknowledged what any right-minded observer of the Patriots' 38-point victory over the Colts easily grasped: The balls deflated below the 12.5-pounds-per-square-inch minimum had no impact on the result. But Vincent also rightfully maintained that it didn't matter, that the intent to cheat is a violation nobody can measure by way of a scoreboard.

"Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football," Vincent wrote in a letter to Brady. "The integrity of the game is of paramount importance to everyone in our league, and requires unshakable commitment to fairness and compliance with the playing rules. Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public's confidence in the game is called into question."

Vincent was "the deflator" this time, not officials locker room attendant Jim McNally, because those words had to suck the air out of the all-time great. Brady wasn't hearing this from a sportswriter or radio host. He was hearing this from a former peer, a five-time Pro Bowler, a former winner of the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award.

Meanwhile, Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick were cleared by Wells and his aides, though the Patriots' owner said in a Monday night statement that the penalties "exceeded any reasonable expectation" at the end of what he called a "one-sided investigation." Kraft also said this of his quarterback: "Tom Brady has our unconditional support. Our belief in him has not wavered."

In time, Kraft will recover from the hurt and the $1 million fine, and Belichick will recover from the lost first-round pick in 2016 and lost fourth-round pick in 2017. That's what the Patriots do -- they absorb hits better than any team in the league, dust themselves off, then diagram another way to the Super Bowl.

But Brady won't recover quite as quickly, not after he refused to hand over emails and texts related to the case despite being offered what Vincent called "extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information."

No, it didn't have to be this way. Brady was pro football's answer to Derek Jeter, the megawinner who was above reproach and who wasn't even stained by Spygate, the scandal that started and stopped at Belichick's desk.

Tom Brady has led the Patriots to 12 division titles. Will his suspension mean that No. 13 won't come in 2015? Matthew J. Lee/The Boston Globe/Getty Images

Deflategate changes everything. Brady's credibility is in tatters now, and he will only hurt his reputation more by continually trying to fake out people who refuse to be deked. Patriots fans will always embrace him. The people who cheered his nonanswers to Jim Gray at Salem State last week will cheer louder when Brady throws more touchdown passes than Rex Ryan's new AFC East team (the Bills) or his old AFC East team (the Jets) can count.

But the non-New Englanders around the country who respected Brady as much as they respected any athlete will have trouble ever believing in him again.

Until he tells the truth, anyway. Monday night, when his agent called the four-game suspension "ridiculous" and "predetermined," Brady sure didn't take any steps in that direction.

Yee maintained the Wells report showed no evidence Brady tampered with footballs and attacked the league for conspiring with the Colts before the AFC Championship Game in what amounted to a setup. In his statement, the agent summoned the ghosts of the Ray Rice case and reminded readers that "a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past."

Yee added that the punishment of the Patriots "diminishes the NFL" when, in fact, the penalties diminish the NFL's best player, Tom Brady. The quarterback actually got off with a relatively light sentence; Kraft indefinitely suspended McNally and Patriots equipment assistant John Jastremski without pay, and the league announced they can never again be involved in the pregame preparation of footballs ... if they're ever reinstated at all.

Brady will be reinstated, and he will be allowed to handle footballs before and during Patriots games. So he should overrule Yee and whoever else is advising him to appeal and accept his just punishment before admitting to his role in the scam.

This isn't Pete Rose gambling on baseball or Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez pumping one illegal drug after another into their bodies for a competitive edge. Brady should tell the public that he thought he was merely driving 63 mph in a 55 mph zone, that he didn't realize taking some air out of the ball was a big deal, and that he now realizes it is a very big deal.

He should apologize to Kraft for lying to him and for making the owner look and sound like a fool at the Super Bowl. He should apologize to Jastremski and McNally for putting franchise-player pressure on employees in no position to resist it, and for effectively costing them their jobs. And he should apologize to Wells, Goodell, Vincent and, more importantly, to fans everywhere who thought Tom Brady would be among the last quarterbacks to spike the integrity of his sport.

Unlike bigger cheats before him, Brady shouldn't confess in a book or a hyped-up TV sit-down years from now. If he tells the truth today, without holding back, this much would be true:

People will find it a lot easier to root for him to become the first quarterback with five Super Bowl rings.

 

[T J]

Before I watched my football team win for titles in fifteen years, and go to two more championship games, and set NFL and individual records for winning, and enjoyed the ongoing career of the greatest player ever to live, this stuff would have bothered me a lot more. And if I were a fan of one of the lesser teams in the league, and was worried I might never see a title in my life time, or had an inferiority complex about my good but not great team, I probably would have joined the clamor for stiffer penalties against a winning team just because it all seemed so unfair. All the fans of losing teams, and teams that finally made the playoffs only to lose the last game of their season, you've got every right to feel vindicated that the big bad patriots got taken down a notch. Enjoy the victory today, such as it is. I remember when rooting against someone felt good because rooting for my teams felt bad, and now that I've been on the other side for so long I get it. I can't help but feel a modicum of pity for those of you who will never live to be on this side of the fence. It's nice over here. And I'm rooting for you to some day get here so you understand. Good luck. Most of you will never see a team you like have this kind of success, ever. I feel badly about that. So, congratulations on winning whatever it is that has you so excited today. I'm happy for those of you who are in the kind of place where this makes you feel better.

That's cute. Really though, how does it feel knowing that only you and your team's fan base are the only ones on the entire planet, not even the league for which you play for, that actually believe your titles are legitimate? LOL

A bostonfred sighting. I couldn't find his post to quote. Deleted? Wouldn't surprise me.

He was one of the primary douches I argued with late January and was rude as hell. Glad your team got theirs. I was right. You were wrong. Just wanted to remind you.

Carry on.

 

[Franknbeans]

was it worth it, Tom?

 

[rockaction]

Florio just implied pretty strongly that the reason the NFL didn't go after Belichick is because Belichick would "expose" the NFL and other instances of team cheating. I can now no longer listen to Florio's opinion on this matter, as he is demonstrating a propensity to wildly speculate, and is becoming a hack with respect to this issue.

 

[Jeremy's Spoken]

Before I watched my football team win for titles in fifteen years, and go to two more championship games, and set NFL and individual records for winning, and enjoyed the ongoing career of the greatest player ever to live, this stuff would have bothered me a lot more. And if I were a fan of one of the lesser teams in the league, and was worried I might never see a title in my life time, or had an inferiority complex about my good but not great team, I probably would have joined the clamor for stiffer penalties against a winning team just because it all seemed so unfair. All the fans of losing teams, and teams that finally made the playoffs only to lose the last game of their season, you've got every right to feel vindicated that the big bad patriots got taken down a notch. Enjoy the victory today, such as it is. I remember when rooting against someone felt good because rooting for my teams felt bad, and now that I've been on the other side for so long I get it. I can't help but feel a modicum of pity for those of you who will never live to be on this side of the fence. It's nice over here. And I'm rooting for you to some day get here so you understand. Good luck. Most of you will never see a team you like have this kind of success, ever. I feel badly about that. So, congratulations on winning whatever it is that has you so excited today. I'm happy for those of you who are in the kind of place where this makes you feel better.

Roster Poison!

 

[Tango]

Oh yes, just interested in the NFL, lol. Thanks for giving them a "bit" of the benefit of the doubt. Strange that you assume their guilt based on an old interview and your own assumptions- and guilty in the end regardless of what the NFl does, just what they want. But you love the NFL?? Confusing. I thought most Patriot haters scurried like roaches when a light is turned on but a few have regrouped apparently.

APOLOGIZE to Pats fans! To Kraft, Bellichick, all the PAtriots. All you haters should be lucky enough to kneel and kiss Bill's ring!

You guys are a riot.

One thing many people learned through all of this is to respect (most) Patriot fans less. Thanks for re-affirming that view.

I spent 2-3 pages arguing with idiots and pointing to the Costas interview as a game changer for many who had been giving Brady the benefit of the doubt until then. Now its being brought up again because it's the best example of Brady's inexplicably poor defense of himself.

@RossTuckerNFL: Highly encourage you to watch Brady interview w/ Costas from Super Bowl if you haven't already. Link in here: http://t.co/9gpI4uwEIw

 

[MattFancy]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

 

[MattFancy]

Florio just implied pretty strongly that the reason the NFL didn't go after Belichick is because Belichick would "expose" the NFL and other instances of team cheating. I can now no longer listen to Florio's opinion on this matter, as he is demonstrating a propensity to wildly speculate, and is becoming a hack with respect to this issue.

You're just now stopping listening to Florio?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

Integrity? Like when teams heat the football, or pump noise in to the stadium, or put stick um on their hands, or spray silicone/crisco on their jerseys?

That type of integrity?

I love people think air in a football matters so much. This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

Integrity? Like when teams heat the football, or pump noise in to the stadium, or put stick um on their hands, or spray silicone/crisco on their jerseys?

That type of integrity?

I love people think air in a football matters so much. This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

Those arent crimes. He was asking about crimes. You are changing the question/topic I replied to.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Garopollo! DeAngelo! It's the NFL on NBC!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

Yeah, reading through the thread in its entirety I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion. Pats fans have been reasonable, fact-based and entirely accurate in their predictions throughout.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

Integrity? Like when teams heat the football, or pump noise in to the stadium, or put stick um on their hands, or spray silicone/crisco on their jerseys?

That type of integrity?

I love people think air in a football matters so much. This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

Those arent crimes. He was asking about crimes. You are changing the question/topic I replied to.

Yes I understand, I think your hatred is clouding what even is going on and what your responding to.

First of all comparing letting air out of a football as worse then an actual crime is embarrassing, I would stop that.

You said "YES" this is worse than a crime because it about integrity, I explained how other issues were about integrity that received no major punishment.

You come back and say those are not crimes...Well, duh, neither is letting out the air out of a football. they are not crimes but they are all rules in the nfl but others why got away with stuff and they patriots got the harshest penalty. being reasonable is always out the window when haters are around.

comparing what brady did to actual crimes and saying what happened here is worse than what other people do is my comic relief for the day.

Haters continue to rejoice, says more about you then it does the situation. It shows how you just like the commish want to treat people and teams differently.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Garopollo! DeAngelo! It's the NFL on NBC!

No Blount either, who else from Pittsburgh will get suspended before then? Will Big Ben get falsely accused of something and get 4 games to make all the stars gone for this one? OR will Gronk smash something and get 4 games himself?

 

[MattFancy]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

Yeah, reading through the thread in its entirety I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion. Pats fans have been reasonable, fact-based and entirely accurate in their predictions throughout.

Then those same Patriot haters should be starting thread about how the Buccs heated up balls with outrage. The Falcons haters should start a thread about noise piping. OR will they not do that because like I said the whole point is patriot haters sharing hate?

i'm not a patriots fan at all, maybe the ones with out hate or with out fandom are the more reasonable here.

its a mental capacity thing, some understand the air out of a football is no different than what the nfl caught others doing, and dramatic and hatefull people want the patriots head on a platter because of their clouded hate and the proof is their was not even this much out rage when Rice said he used stick em or when the falcons piped in artificial noise which effects the game and team way more than air in a football.

air in a football, if the temp alters the ball why are you not as angry the buccs not no suspension?

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

They cant answer any of this, their fake outrage for a team they hate is the most important thing right now.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

 

[Tango]

Yesterday's news that was a game changer was when we learned that the 2 equipment guys were suspended by Goodell last week, that was when it was time for Brady to step up.

At that point there was nothing he could do but raise his hand; even if he didn't do it! (Which he did obviously, but whatever). No hush money he may have paid would be enough because these guys were being publicly blamed and shamed and singled out by the league before any other punishment.

And Brady could have made it all go away with a 10 second speech.

Instead....on Tuesday night he says these guys' livelihood is so worthless that he didn't even bother to read the report.

That's it.

Brady crossed the line from amusing cheater/liar to complete A hole.

He is no leader. He is the opposite of a leader.

 

[Franknbeans]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

Integrity? Like when teams heat the football, or pump noise in to the stadium, or put stick um on their hands, or spray silicone/crisco on their jerseys?

That type of integrity?

I love people think air in a football matters so much. This is the Patriots haters vs. reasonable people debate here.

It mattered enough to Tom to risk having his legacy ruined.

 

[MattFancy]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

Tom was videotaping the teams and playing QB? Impressive.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

We DO take our sports serious `round these parts

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

Tom was videotaping the teams and playing QB? Impressive.

A player didn't pipe in music or send in text from the sideline either. You guys have a real hard time staying on point. Your own point no-less.

Oh I see, you think they stole defensive signals and then didnt inform their starting QB about those signals. Pats* are better then that at cheating.

 

[MattFancy]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

Tom was videotaping the teams and playing QB? Impressive.

A player didn't pipe in music or send in text from the sideline either. You guys have a real hard time staying on point. Your own point no-less.

Oh I see, you think they stole defensive signals and then didnt inform their starting QB about those signals. Pats* are better then that at cheating.

My original point was that the NFL is basically saying this is worse than criminal activity. You went on about integrity of the game. Myself and another poster showed you examples of the game's integrity being messed with and teams receiving lesser fines. Maybe reading is hard for you.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Well if the Pats didnt have the extra motivation to go out and repeat as SB champs they certainly do now....''"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve'' - Rodger Badell

 

[Tango]

We DO take our sports serious `round these parts

...that's where this got serious. 2 guys lost their livelihoods and all Brady had to do to save them was raise his hand.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

Tom was videotaping the teams and playing QB? Impressive.

A player didn't pipe in music or send in text from the sideline either. You guys have a real hard time staying on point. Your own point no-less.

Oh I see, you think they stole defensive signals and then didnt inform their starting QB about those signals. Pats* are better then that at cheating.

My original point was that the NFL is basically saying this is worse than criminal activity. You went on about integrity of the game. Myself and another poster showed you examples of the game's integrity being messed with and teams receiving lesser fines. Maybe reading is hard for you.

The Pats and Brady have done more damage to the integrity of the game. Other teams were penalized. Repeat offenders and obstructors tend to have more issues with penalties.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

We DO take our sports serious `round these parts

...that's where this got serious. 2 guys lost their livelihoods and all Brady had to do to save them was raise his hand.

Oof.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

man you are the talking heads liason in here, you repeat everything they say in their narrative on TV.

 

[MattFancy]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

Tom was videotaping the teams and playing QB? Impressive.

A player didn't pipe in music or send in text from the sideline either. You guys have a real hard time staying on point. Your own point no-less.

Oh I see, you think they stole defensive signals and then didnt inform their starting QB about those signals. Pats* are better then that at cheating.

My original point was that the NFL is basically saying this is worse than criminal activity. You went on about integrity of the game. Myself and another poster showed you examples of the game's integrity being messed with and teams receiving lesser fines. Maybe reading is hard for you.

The Pats and Brady have done more damage to the integrity of the game. Other teams were penalized. Repeat offenders and obstructors tend to have more issues with penalties.

This damaged this integrity of the game? When multiple QBs have come out saying they've done something similar? To me, this is akin to a batter using too much pine tar on his bat. It's really not a big deal.

I understand the team having to surrender picks and getting the $1M fine. But why does Brady get 4 games? He's not a repeat offender.

 

[JaxBill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

Worst commissioner? Meet Gary Bettman.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Florio just implied pretty strongly that the reason the NFL didn't go after Belichick is because Belichick would "expose" the NFL and other instances of team cheating. I can now no longer listen to Florio's opinion on this matter, as he is demonstrating a propensity to wildly speculate, and is becoming a hack with respect to this issue.

Hopefully Goodell was smart enough to not really destroy the spygate tapes... those mysteriously popping up, no matter what dirty laundry BB could air, would be the nuclear game changer of all time

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

It was worse. It was (at least) a second such offense and the previous penalty didn't stop them from doing it again.

man you are the talking heads liason in here, you repeat everything they say in their narrative on TV.

I dont watch TV.

Game of Thrones on DVR. That's about it.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Florio becoming a hack, you say.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

 

[rockaction]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

Worst commissioner? Meet Gary Bettman.

Did you see the 30 for 30 about John Spano and the Islanders? I just watched it the other night.

Hi-yo!

 

[Pickle Rody]

I feel that the punishment isn't enough. Belichick should be suspended the entire season. Brady should be also. The Patriots organization should have been fined heavier and lost multiple 1st round picks. 2014 Super Bowl title should have been stripped away.

This franchise has a history of cheating during Belichick's tenure as head coach. They've been repeatedly caught cheating in various ways during that time frame. This fact is undeniable.

It is absolutely reprehensible to cheat, and then to lie about it and try to cover it up.

 

[((Morpheus))]

And here I was expecting an apology... No way this holds up to appeal.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Damn

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

Did a non-coach/non-scout send in plays from the press box, or did a GM, hoping to sell jerseys and to justify a draft pick try to pressure the coach to start an addled, undersized, under-skilled player. If you were just on a roll with your rant, please ignore the question, but if there was an allegation here the import of which I have previously missed I would appreciate being educated with a link. Thanks.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.