Patriots being investigated after Colts game (8 Viewers)

[rockaction]

I'm going to run out of likes today. Maybe the mods can step in and address this dire situation I'm going through?

 

[BassNBrew]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

Maybe they came clean about it when investigated?

 

[moleculo]

if the proof is so flimsy, I'm still waiting on an accredited scientific institution to refute it (i.e. not sports journalists who recently discovered the Ideal Gas law).

 

[Bayhawks]

I'm a little late to this, but...

I guess I can understand the Brady suspension if they thought it more probable than not that he knew about what was going on.

But I don't understand the team losing draft picks if the report found it unlikely that the coach or organization knew about it.

I'm assuming its the "ignorance isn't an excuse" justification, they also used that during Bountygate, if I remember correctly.

 

[massraider]

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

 

[massraider]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes?

Yes.

Actual crimes have another layer of punishment that is far more severe. This is about the integrity of the game.

So why did the Falcons only get a $350k fine? What about the Browns GM sending in plays from his box? Those infractions weren't punished nearly as much as what the Pats just received.

Maybe they came clean about it when investigated?

The Browns self-reported by the way, and no one denied anything.

So, it's just like this situation, except the opposite.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Damn

Wow, so two people are completely naive about this? I'm sure there are more.

A report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

ETA: Damn.

This might be the single least intelligent post I've read on these boards. He said there was evidence. And there is. Is anyone disputing the texts on the guy's phones? Anyone? There's more but that's certainly an example.

They're just coming out of the woodwork on this and every one of them looks stupid doing it.

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Is he..... CarolinaHustler?

 

[Jercules]

There ya go, some honesty.

Your turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjKUN5QI0s

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

 

[Bucky86]

maybe you should just leave this thread to Pats knob lovers to console eachother.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Belicihick just issued a statement :

"Son, we live in a world that has balls, and those balls have to be inflated by men with pumps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Troy Vincent? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Indianapolis and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that tampering with those balls, while tragic, probably won games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those balls. You need me on those balls. We use words like "barometric pressure", "PSI", "specifications". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Lombardis that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and run a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

Game, set, match.

 

[moleculo]

There ya go, some honesty.

Your turn.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

"because no one was watching for my cheating before I got caught means I'm totally innocent!"

 

[Jercules]

Belicihick just issued a statement :

"Son, we live in a world that has balls, and those balls have to be inflated by men with pumps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Troy Vincent? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Indianapolis and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that tampering with those balls, while tragic, probably won games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those balls. You need me on those balls. We use words like "barometric pressure", "PSI", "specifications". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Lombardis that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and run a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

Game, set, match.

Bill Cowher would hate this.

 

[massraider]

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

1. Who else would commission it?

2. How is it biased?

 

[Jercules]

There ya go, some honesty.

Your turn.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

"because no one was watching for my cheating before I got caught means I'm totally innocent!"

You're the guy smart enough to discuss transient heat transfer analysis, and you can't see what a ridiculous jump you just made between what I said and what you pretend I said? Forget the engineers and lawyers, we need some psychologists on this thread!

 

[Bucky86]

You're arguing with teenage girls about whether One Direction is the best boy band evaaaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[rockaction]

You're arguing with teenage girls about whether One Direction is the best boy band evaaaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[espnespn]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

 

[moleculo]

There ya go, some honesty.

Your turn.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

"because no one was watching for my cheating before I got caught means I'm totally innocent!"

You're the guy smart enough to discuss transient heat transfer analysis, and you can't see what a ridiculous jump you just made between what I said and what you pretend I said? Forget the engineers and lawyers, we need some psychologists on this thread!

ok, spell it out for me. What did you mean when you claim the NFL has no serious protocol for enforcing rule 2?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Belicihick just issued a statement :

"Son, we live in a world that has balls, and those balls have to be inflated by men with pumps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Troy Vincent? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Indianapolis and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that tampering with those balls, while tragic, probably won games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those balls. You need me on those balls. We use words like "barometric pressure", "PSI", "specifications". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Lombardis that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and run a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

Game, set, match.

Bill Cowher would hate this.

Au contraire, he just called me and said he found it quite amusing and he's taking me out to the Indian buffet for lunch tomorrow.

 

[Jercules]

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

1. Who else would commission it?

2. How is it biased?

1. Fair enough point. They still could have found someone truly independent, not one of their friendliest law firms.

2. Again, no serious protocol was in place. All the different gauges, the fact that no pressures were recorded, the fact that the officials even testified that a locker room attendant typically has 15-20 minutes alone with the balls in the ref's locker room while they're out doing their pregame (McNally had to scoot into that bathroom for the AFCCG because the locker room was unusually busy that day). The conflicting testimonies between the refs and the security officials about whether or not it was typical for McNally to bring the balls out himself was particularly telling: the refs said it was unheard of; the security people said it was common enough, and Wells simply ignores the latter in his conclusion.

So in the interest of decorum, let me claim this as evidence that it is "more probable than not" that a report commissioned by NFL has at least some pro-NFL bias and, as I said before, I do not claim that this makes the whole thing garbage.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

 

[Jercules]

Belicihick just issued a statement :

"Son, we live in a world that has balls, and those balls have to be inflated by men with pumps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Troy Vincent? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Indianapolis and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that tampering with those balls, while tragic, probably won games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those balls. You need me on those balls. We use words like "barometric pressure", "PSI", "specifications". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Lombardis that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and run a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

Game, set, match.

Bill Cowher would hate this.

Au contraire, he just called me and said he found it quite amusing and he's taking me out to the Indian buffet for lunch tomorrow.

He knows what a fan you are of movie quotes, so he wants to tell you "losers whine, winners go home and #### the prom queen."

 

[Run It Up]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Person responsible for them. Yes, that guy.

 

[espnespn]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

 

[massraider]

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

1. Who else would commission it?

2. How is it biased?

1. Fair enough point. They still could have found someone truly independent, not one of their friendliest law firms.

2. Again, no serious protocol was in place. All the different gauges, the fact that no pressures were recorded, the fact that the officials even testified that a locker room attendant typically has 15-20 minutes alone with the balls in the ref's locker room while they're out doing their pregame (McNally had to scoot into that bathroom for the AFCCG because the locker room was unusually busy that day). The conflicting testimonies between the refs and the security officials about whether or not it was typical for McNally to bring the balls out himself was particularly telling: the refs said it was unheard of; the security people said it was common enough, and Wells simply ignores the latter in his conclusion.

So in the interest of decorum, let me claim this as evidence that it is "more probable than not" that a report commissioned by NFL has at least some pro-NFL bias and, as I said before, I do not claim that this makes the whole thing garbage.

Pro-NFL bias?

The Patriots are part of the NFL, and the owner is commonly referred to as the assistant commissioner. The NFL doesn't gain anything by catching the Patriots doing anything wrong, other than re-establishing some integrity in the game.

Why is it in the NFL's interests to 'catch' the Pats?

 

[moleculo]

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

1. Who else would commission it?

2. How is it biased?

1. Fair enough point. They still could have found someone truly independent, not one of their friendliest law firms.

2. Again, no serious protocol was in place. All the different gauges, the fact that no pressures were recorded, the fact that the officials even testified that a locker room attendant typically has 15-20 minutes alone with the balls in the ref's locker room while they're out doing their pregame (McNally had to scoot into that bathroom for the AFCCG because the locker room was unusually busy that day). The conflicting testimonies between the refs and the security officials about whether or not it was typical for McNally to bring the balls out himself was particularly telling: the refs said it was unheard of; the security people said it was common enough, and Wells simply ignores the latter in his conclusion.

So in the interest of decorum, let me claim this as evidence that it is "more probable than not" that a report commissioned by NFL has at least some pro-NFL bias and, as I said before, I do not claim that this makes the whole thing garbage.

WRT the protocol: there is some presumption on the NFL's part that they are working with reputable teams who don't cheat. So maybe sometimes they leave game balls unattended in control of a ball-boy. If you believe that teams are trustworthy and don't cheat, this isn't really that big of a deal.

I'm no legal historian, but I'd wager that most rules in existence today are there because someone did something at some time that society deemed inappropriate. Every rule in place is a direct result of a proceeding action. If a rule doesn't exist, that probably means that no one thought up that particular infraction. For example, declaring inelligible/eligible receivers just before the snap, not giving a defense a chance to react was perfectly legal up until 2015 because no one thought of this particular trick...now that someone did, the NFL made that illegal.

In the history of the NFL, no team has been caught manipulating referee inspected and certified footballs. Therefore, there are no safeguards in the rule-book to outline the procedure. I bet that changes moving forward.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Belicihick just issued a statement :

"Son, we live in a world that has balls, and those balls have to be inflated by men with pumps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Troy Vincent? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Indianapolis and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that tampering with those balls, while tragic, probably won games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those balls. You need me on those balls. We use words like "barometric pressure", "PSI", "specifications". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Lombardis that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and run a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

Game, set, match.

Bill Cowher would hate this.

Au contraire, he just called me and said he found it quite amusing and he's taking me out to the Indian buffet for lunch tomorrow.

With his spittle thing he has going may I suggest you do not sit directly across from him.

Can you ask him how he would handle a situation where a member of his team participated in cheating and then tried to hide the stinky evidence in the ceiling tiles at the training facility?

 

[Bayhawks]

There ya go, some honesty.

Your turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjKUN5QI0s

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

The Wells report is neither independent nor unbiased. That doesn't mean it fails to give credible evidence--it does--but it was commissioned by the NFL and goes to great lengths to soft-pedal the obvious fact that the league had no serious protocol for enforcing Rule 2.

Ted Wells doesn't work for the NFL, unless I missed something. He was a lawyer hired to conduct this investigation. The report IS an independent report, by definition. If you want to believe/argue it's not unbiased, that's your prerogative.

 

[moleculo]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

I don't understand the relevance of how Gene Steratore manages his pre-game inspection is relevant to how Walt Anderson does his, or how this somehow trumps Andersons direct statements.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Which of course is not remotely relevant to whether they check the pressure closely when they set out to do so having been notified by the league, unusually and specifically to do so, and are aware that their action will be closely scrutinized by the League.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Pats fans melting down quicker than the German dude in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

[Jercules]

The report examines the conduct of Patriots employees vs. NFL officials, and my point is it exhibits pro-NFL bias by downplaying the fact that officials simply didn't take the possibility of ball tampering seriously even though they're supposed to.

It's harder to build a case against someone for breaking a rule when it's clear you, as the enforcing agent, didn't take the rule seriously to begin with.

If you want to bring up the funny formations the Patriots used, and how no protocol existed to deal with that... well, do they deserve to be punished? If not, why punish them for this, if you feel the two situations are analogous? (I disagree, in that Rule 2 is in the rule book, but again, it behooves the NFL to pretend such matters are gravely serious which is where the Wells bias shows).

And Ted Wells does an awful lot of work for the NFL, and has a very close relationship with the league, so tasking him with conducting an "independent investigation" is a little dodgy (in fact, my understanding is he isn't even an investigator, he's an attorney).

 

[espnespn]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Which of course is not remotely relevant to whether they check the pressure closely when they set out to do so having been notified by the league, unusually and specifically to do so, and are aware that their action will be closely scrutinized by the League.

Funny how the refs neglected to write down the PSI measurements pre-game, when they were notified by the league that this was an unusual and specific case.

 

[Bayhawks]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

Please read the series of posts you responded to. Your response had nothing to do with my post or the ones preceding it. Blues said the NFL wanted a certain result from the Wells report. He said this after railing how the Wells report wasn't proof. Since he has such a high standard of proof, I asked him to provide proof for his belief that the NFL paid Wells to come up with a certain result. Your discussion of the PSI of the footballs isn't relevant.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Kraft:

Statement from Robert Kraft: Despite our conviction that there was no tampering with footballs, it was our intention to accept any discipline levied by the league. Todays punishment, however, far exceeded any reasonable expectation. It was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence.

We are humbled by the support the New England Patriots have received from our fans throughout the world. We recognize our fans concerns regarding the NFLs penalties and share in their disappointment in how this one-sided investigation was handled, as well as the dismissal of the scientific evidence supported by the Ideal Gas Law in the final report.

Tom Brady has our unconditional support. Our belief in him has not wavered.

Kraft apparently didn't follow the Hernandez murder trial.

Kraft also lost his pious search for due process when he cut Hernandez within an hour of his arrest

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Kraft also lost his pious search for due process when he cut Hernandez within an hour of his arrest

That's not really fair. At the point Hernandez was cut it was more probable than not he was guilty.

 

[espnespn]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

I don't understand the relevance of how Gene Steratore manages his pre-game inspection is relevant to how Walt Anderson does his, or how this somehow trumps Andersons direct statements.

I think there's plenty of doubt whether the refs in general took PSI measurements very seriously. In addition to the video, I believe there were other stories of refs doing a "squeeze test":

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/could-nfl-be-covering-for-officials-deflategate/253333.

Also, the texts between the 2 Patriots equipment guys say that there was a 16 PSI ball in the Jets game. How did that happen, unless the refs weren't careful about PSI?

 

[Old Smiley]

As Seifert said: "Accuse. Leak. Investigate. Punish."

 

[moleculo]

I don't understand the relevance of how Gene Steratore manages his pre-game inspection is relevant to how Walt Anderson does his, or how this somehow trumps Andersons direct statements.

I think there's plenty of doubt whether the refs in general took PSI measurements very seriously. In addition to the video, I believe there were other stories of refs doing a "squeeze test":

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/could-nfl-be-covering-for-officials-deflategate/253333.

Also, the texts between the 2 Patriots equipment guys say that there was a 16 PSI ball in the Jets game. How did that happen, unless the refs weren't careful about PSI?

again, what does that have to do with Walt Andersons direct testimony? Just because some other refs may have been lax has nothing to do with walter Andersons direct statements.

Regarding the 16 psi business - 12punch and I had a discussion going when this news broke out. I have a plausible story for that issue - We know that the Patriots submitted under-inflated balls in this game, and likely did in the past. The referees adjust the pressure to bring them into regulation, and they do so by over-inflating and then releasing pressure because that's the easiest way to do it. I propose that what happened in the Jets game is the refs purposefully over-inflated with intent to deflate and then simply missed a ball or two...or all of them. Why? who knows. Maybe a cheerleader walked by. Maybe someone told a funny joke. Sometimes mistakes happen. If you are going to cry that your team got screwed by a refs mistake, I'd wonder if you have ever watched football before.

further, the proper course of action in that case is to measure the PSI of the ball during the game and bring the non-conforming equipment to the refs attention (like the Colts did)... not try to correct future mistakes pre-preemptively by secretly deflating footballs after they passed inspection, which is what I think happened here.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Kraft also lost his pious search for due process when he cut Hernandez within an hour of his arrest

That's not really fair. At the point Hernandez was cut it was more probable than not he was guilty.

They cut him within an hour. Not sure how kraft processed the available evidence in that window.

But if he did.... How long would it take for Columbo to put this one together?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Would you have felt better had they done so? Would you have believed what they wrote? The ref had a specific duty, to bring any ball lower than 12.5 PSI up to that limit. this was done. The ref can testify to this with sincerity and certainty. writing it down would not change the strength of that testimony one iota. Now had the process been video'd, maybe that would offer some small scintilla of greater assurance, but many would question whether the video produced was the video from that day. Apologists have offered this red herring before. You were in the thread at the time. You continue to off4er tired excuses, hoping to convince who, yourself? Good luck with that.

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Which of course is not remotely relevant to whether they check the pressure closely when they set out to do so having been notified by the league, unusually and specifically to do so, and are aware that their action will be closely scrutinized by the League.

Funny how the refs neglected to write down the PSI measurements pre-game, when they were notified by the league that this was an unusual and specific case.

aPOLOGISTS HAVE OFFERED THIS RED HERRING BEFORE.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Pats fans melting down quicker than the German dude in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I'll be surprised if I still have any likes available after lunch at this pace.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

I don't understand the relevance of how Gene Steratore manages his pre-game inspection is relevant to how Walt Anderson does his, or how this somehow trumps Andersons direct statements.

I think there's plenty of doubt whether the refs in general took PSI measurements very seriously. In addition to the video, I believe there were other stories of refs doing a "squeeze test":

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/could-nfl-be-covering-for-officials-deflategate/253333.

Also, the texts between the 2 Patriots equipment guys say that there was a 16 PSI ball in the Jets game. How did that happen, unless the refs weren't careful about PSI?

So, what the employees text is reliable? Please tell me that you are arguing that they are factual, not jokes, and not hyperbole, because that is really not going to help your arguments in the long run.

 

[Jercules]

Would you have felt better had they done so? Would you have believed what they wrote? The ref had a specific duty, to bring any ball lower than 12.5 PSI up to that limit. this was done. The ref can testify to this with sincerity and certainty. writing it down would not change the strength of that testimony one iota. Now had the process been video'd, maybe that would offer some small scintilla of greater assurance, but many would question whether the video produced was the video from that day. Apologists have offered this red herring before. You were in the thread at the time. You continue to off4er tired excuses, hoping to convince who, yourself? Good luck with that.

Goodell continues to be the worst Commisioner in all of sports. Let's just make #### up on the fly now.

So what Brady did was worse than commiting actual crimes? Sure that makes sense Roger.

Since when does probably having a general knowledge about something mean you did it? I'm not even a Pats fan, but this is just ridiculous. Everyone in here celebrating this is just sad. You're encouraging Lord Goodell to do whatever he pleases.

Goodell is a scumbag and can't wait until he's ousted.

I am not a fan of the Patriots either and would do anything to see them stop being so dang good.

But thinking this punishment fits the crime is beyond unreasonable.

There is no proof, and people are celebrating a punishment without proof. i am not shocked as spiteful angry people get enjoyment out of stuff like this.

all this is proof of is that there are some crappy people who live on the internet.

If by proof you mean 100% certainty then there is never proof in human endeavors. If by proof you mean evidence, well then you are wrong. There is evidence here. You may think the quanta of evidence is insufficient to reach a reliable conclusion, and you are entitled to your opinion, but there is most certainly evidence.

Nope, a report given by a person paid for by the league to come up with a certain result is not proof.

OK, but what about a report by an independent party paid to come up with an unbiased result? Because that is what the Wells report is; unless you have PROOF that the NFL want him to come up with a certain result. And based on your previous posts, there's no way you would just make that statement unless you had something undeniable and incontrovertible to support that allegation. Otherwise, you'd look a little hypocritical.

There is no undeniable and incontrovertible proof that the Patriots footballs started at 12.5 PSI. Only the claim of the ref that they were. When we have video proof that refs were lax in checking football PSI in other games, saying things like "eh, close enough".

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Btw, the ref has as much reason to lie as anyone. Why would he admit he didn't do his job checking the PSI?

You mean the league official of record?

HFS.

Yes, I'm sure refs always check PSI diligently. Even though there's video proof this is not true.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Which of course is not remotely relevant to whether they check the pressure closely when they set out to do so having been notified by the league, unusually and specifically to do so, and are aware that their action will be closely scrutinized by the League.

Funny how the refs neglected to write down the PSI measurements pre-game, when they were notified by the league that this was an unusual and specific case.

aPOLOGISTS HAVE OFFERED THIS RED HERRING BEFORE.

The point is they didn't take that aspect of their duties very seriously, and it's likely the NFL never asked them to either (perhaps for very good reasons--do we really care about the specific air pressure of a football?--but nonetheless).

When it became a big enough issue to send in investigators, suddenly now it became important for the NFL to pretend it was serious: all the better to lay down the law and credibly punish the Patriots.

 

[Bucky86]

LEAVE TOM BRADY ALONE!!!!!!!! #CUTFORTOMMY

 

[Mookie]

Blaming the refs? Still? Proof sufficient to levy league punishment has been been found that McNally (aka the self-described "Deflator") stole the balls from the refs locker room! He then took them into a bathroom where he deflated them in return for Brady swag! Why is this still being argued? Accept it and move on. The denials just make it so much worse.

 

[moleculo]

The point is they didn't take that aspect of their duties very seriously, and it's likely the NFL never asked them to either (perhaps for very good reasons--do we really care about the specific air pressure of a football?--but nonetheless).

When it became a big enough issue to send in investigators, suddenly now it became important for the NFL to pretend it was serious: all the better to lay down the law and credibly punish the Patriots.

and, we have come full circle. Just because the NFL may not have taken air pressure seriously in the past does not give Patriot team employees latitude to manipulate pressure on balls after they have been inspected and certified.

 

[moleculo]

by the way, I LOVE that the Patriots and Brady are fighting this. This may be my favorite Shark Pool thread of all time, I hope the drama continues all year.

 

[gianmarco]

So why wasn't Belichick punished?

 

[BroadwayG]

So why wasn't Belichick punished?

Completely exonerated in the report.