Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

[amnesiac]

moral of the story is: don't throw interceptions.

 

[MG345]

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

I need to go buy an official ball, a pump, a heater and my freezer and play around for awhile to see what sort of differences i can cause in psi over the course of a short period of time.

Does really cold weather cause a ball to deflate? How much? By how many pounds? How quickly will that happen? If the Pats present a ball at the low end of the psi scale, knowing that after 2 hours in the cold it will further deflate, that's different than deflating it on your own.

Need Bill Nye or the mythbusters to get off the couch and work on a live primetime special on nfl network.

This math has already been done multiple times. Yes, temp can affecting pressurization. It would take more of a temp differential than any point during the game. All of the balls would have deflated at a similar rate if it was due to temp, which was not case apparently.

Would you mind linking so I can read this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/deflategate_blame_it_on_the_rain_or_is_there_no_de.html

- For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it's pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game... enough to be considered massively under-inflated.

Temp would affect pressurization, enough to bring the ball under the mandated limit. It does not account for the depressurization that was seen, even the weather into account. The key here is that all of the balls would have seen the same depressurization, and they didn't. It has been assumed that the Colts' 12 balls all came back within the limits as well.

Math nerd here posting from the can.

1) the reddit post fails to account for atmospheric pressure, so the change in psi due to temperature drop is actually greater than what he concludes. And based on the driving rain during the game I'd be willing to bet the atmospheric pressure dropped as well

2) we can't assume that Indy's balls were tested, but that would certainly change things. I doubt the league was smart enough to use proper controls, however.

3) I'm guessing the 12th ball was the overinflated ball for the kicking game. We also don't know its exact psi

1) Could be, I am not a math or atmospheric pressure genius. The math made sense, I am sure there are some variables that aren't/cant' be accounted for without real observation.

2) We can assume the balls were tested, but it is just an assumption. In the event that the balls are tested, I believe the standard is to test all 12 balls for both teams.

3) the K balls are from a different group, and not a part of the 12 balls tested.

 

[ROCKET]

The Pats might as well doctor up the SB balls too just to make a point.

 

[Freelove]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

I think it was a request for appropriate punishment.

 

[rockaction]

Watching ESPN right now. Interviewing Pats fans. Poor Jordan Saks. He's a freaking kid. "I don't believe Bill Belichick would cheat like that!"

It's like the little girl that lived in Hernandez' neighborhood and said "Go Pats!" at the end of the Hernandez interview.

Please, media. Leave the poor #######' kids out of it.

 

[TDorBust]

Its hilarious watching Patriot fans now trying to justify what the Patriots did to get caught. You realize this has more to do with your history than it does this specific moment in time right?

This is just another black eye to the Patriots franchise showing they have no issue pushing the line to a point where you get caught for cheating. I think its even more telling that everyone else in the league supposedly does this BUT NEVER GETS CAUGHT/QUESTIONED.

Let me guess... Everyone in the league office is out to get the Patriots and only the Patriots?

 

[randall146]

No one has reported that the balls were altered after inspection.

Not yet. But they have said that the original inspection was done correctly. So...

The stuff I read didn't confirm what all happened in the inspection just that it was done and the ref gave the OK. Does that mean the guy actually measured the PSI or just said feels good and moved on.

Pretty easy question to ask in the "investigation".

Still haven't seen any player saying this is a big deal either way. But, if it can be proven that Pats were messing with the balls after the refs measured their needs to be some penalty more than a small fine.

Brunell, Bettis, Traynor, and a bunch of guys have said it's a big deal.

I may be wrong, but didn't all of them say it's a big deal in terms of being able to throw/catch/carry the ball, not a big deal in terms of "major rules violation that threatens the sanctity of the game?"

 

[shader]

No one has reported that the balls were altered after inspection.

Not yet. But they have said that the original inspection was done correctly. So...

The stuff I read didn't confirm what all happened in the inspection just that it was done and the ref gave the OK. Does that mean the guy actually measured the PSI or just said feels good and moved on.

Pretty easy question to ask in the "investigation".

Still haven't seen any player saying this is a big deal either way. But, if it can be proven that Pats were messing with the balls after the refs measured their needs to be some penalty more than a small fine.

Brunell, Bettis, Traynor, and a bunch of guys have said it's a big deal.

Brunell said there is an advantage to throwing a deflated ball, that's all he said that I've been able to find....which I think we all know.

 

[shader]

No one has reported that the balls were altered after inspection.

Not yet. But they have said that the original inspection was done correctly. So...

The stuff I read didn't confirm what all happened in the inspection just that it was done and the ref gave the OK. Does that mean the guy actually measured the PSI or just said feels good and moved on.

Pretty easy question to ask in the "investigation".

Still haven't seen any player saying this is a big deal either way. But, if it can be proven that Pats were messing with the balls after the refs measured their needs to be some penalty more than a small fine.

Brunell, Bettis, Traynor, and a bunch of guys have said it's a big deal.

I may be wrong, but didn't all of them say it's a big deal in terms of being able to throw/catch/carry the ball, not a big deal in terms of "major rules violation that threatens the sanctity of the game?"

context is meaningless to people who read headlines, form opinions and don't investigate the details.

 

[rockaction]

No one has reported that the balls were altered after inspection.

Not yet. But they have said that the original inspection was done correctly. So...

The stuff I read didn't confirm what all happened in the inspection just that it was done and the ref gave the OK. Does that mean the guy actually measured the PSI or just said feels good and moved on.

Pretty easy question to ask in the "investigation".

Still haven't seen any player saying this is a big deal either way. But, if it can be proven that Pats were messing with the balls after the refs measured their needs to be some penalty more than a small fine.

Brunell, Bettis, Traynor, and a bunch of guys have said it's a big deal.

I may be wrong, but didn't all of them say it's a big deal in terms of being able to throw/catch/carry the ball, not a big deal in terms of "major rules violation that threatens the sanctity of the game?"

Like I keep saying, it seems like a big deal if you just won a 35-31 game due to precision passing and a wonderful throw at the end of the game. I think that's what they're implying. It's a huge competitive advantage.

 

[rockaction]

No one has reported that the balls were altered after inspection.

Not yet. But they have said that the original inspection was done correctly. So...

The stuff I read didn't confirm what all happened in the inspection just that it was done and the ref gave the OK. Does that mean the guy actually measured the PSI or just said feels good and moved on.

Pretty easy question to ask in the "investigation".

Still haven't seen any player saying this is a big deal either way. But, if it can be proven that Pats were messing with the balls after the refs measured their needs to be some penalty more than a small fine.

Brunell, Bettis, Traynor, and a bunch of guys have said it's a big deal.

I may be wrong, but didn't all of them say it's a big deal in terms of being able to throw/catch/carry the ball, not a big deal in terms of "major rules violation that threatens the sanctity of the game?"

context is meaningless to people who read headlines, form opinions and don't investigate the details.

No, homer. I watched the entire interview on ESPN. You're a tool.

 

[MG345]

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

I need to go buy an official ball, a pump, a heater and my freezer and play around for awhile to see what sort of differences i can cause in psi over the course of a short period of time.

Does really cold weather cause a ball to deflate? How much? By how many pounds? How quickly will that happen? If the Pats present a ball at the low end of the psi scale, knowing that after 2 hours in the cold it will further deflate, that's different than deflating it on your own.

Need Bill Nye or the mythbusters to get off the couch and work on a live primetime special on nfl network.

This math has already been done multiple times. Yes, temp can affecting pressurization. It would take more of a temp differential than any point during the game. All of the balls would have deflated at a similar rate if it was due to temp, which was not case apparently.

Would you mind linking so I can read this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/deflategate_blame_it_on_the_rain_or_is_there_no_de.html

- For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it's pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game... enough to be considered massively under-inflated.

Temp would affect pressurization, enough to bring the ball under the mandated limit. It does not account for the depressurization that was seen, even the weather into account. The key here is that all of the balls would have seen the same depressurization, and they didn't. It has been assumed that the Colts' 12 balls all came back within the limits as well.

How do you know? What if the Colts started at 14.5 and the Pats started at 12.5, both within range? We don't know what the psi's were at inspection and what they were later in the game. We don't have enough details.

The reasoning behind this line of thinking is because of the 12 NE footballs tested, 1 of the balls was within the range suggesting that it wasn't tampered with during the game.

This is speculation based on the limited number of facts we have now, but you would think weather or atmospheric changes would affect all of the balls evenly.

 

[ROCKET]

Watching ESPN right now. Interviewing Pats fans. Poor Jordan Saks. He's a freaking kid. "I don't believe Bill Belichick would cheat like that!"

It's like the little girl that lived in Hernandez' neighborhood and said "Go Pats!" at the end of the Hernandez interview.

Please, media. Leave the poor #######' kids out of it.

Or like the lady from NY that said Tom Brady should be banned from football as he's a bad example for her grandkids

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

I think it was a request for appropriate punishment.

Appropriate punishment? Were those players not suspended? Did they escape punishment?

 

[Run It Up]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

 

[fflmonster]

Anyone that doesn't believe this is a much larger issue and "normal operating procedure" for the Patriot's is simply a NE fan.

If it is found that the balls were deflated AFTER inspection then this is clearly cheating. The issue is going to be will the NFL start an investigation that this was the only time the Patriot's deflated the balls? This WASN'T the first time they cheated. It was simply the time they got caught.

It doesn't matter if the game's outcome would or would not be affected by this particular cheating event. If found that the Patriot's cheated under the rules of the NFL, there should be a suspension of at least the Super Bowl for Belichick and, in my opinion, it should also contain a suspension of the ENTIRE 2015 season.

Didn't the NFL suspend New Orleans coach for an entire year after it was found that his defensive coordinator had bounties. It was also discussed by many NFL players that bounties happen in every game all the time, but the NFL threw down the gauntlet.

Time to step up and make an example of the Patriot's here, and suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl and the entire 2015 season.

 

[rockaction]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Not really. I wonder if precision passing and the West Coast offense they were running against B'More reflected no difference in the PSI preferences of one Tom Brady,

CHEATER.

 

[rockaction]

*

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

If Brunel and Bettis knew anything they'd still be in the league IMO.

 

[Run It Up]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Not really. I wonder if precision passing and the West Coast offense they were running against B'More reflected no difference in the PSI preferences of one Tom Brady,

CHEATER.

In regards to Baltimore: Scoreboard.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Ahh...so it's the "everybody does it" defense then.

And where do you get the part about not giving a #### about much worse happening all the time? Do you have inside info. About players using PED's and not being punished for it? I think players using PED's should be punished according to NFL rules. Therefore, I give a ####.

 

[TDorBust]

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

I need to go buy an official ball, a pump, a heater and my freezer and play around for awhile to see what sort of differences i can cause in psi over the course of a short period of time.

Does really cold weather cause a ball to deflate? How much? By how many pounds? How quickly will that happen? If the Pats present a ball at the low end of the psi scale, knowing that after 2 hours in the cold it will further deflate, that's different than deflating it on your own.

Need Bill Nye or the mythbusters to get off the couch and work on a live primetime special on nfl network.

This math has already been done multiple times. Yes, temp can affecting pressurization. It would take more of a temp differential than any point during the game. All of the balls would have deflated at a similar rate if it was due to temp, which was not case apparently.

Would you mind linking so I can read this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/deflategate_blame_it_on_the_rain_or_is_there_no_de.html

- For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it's pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game... enough to be considered massively under-inflated.

Temp would affect pressurization, enough to bring the ball under the mandated limit. It does not account for the depressurization that was seen, even the weather into account. The key here is that all of the balls would have seen the same depressurization, and they didn't. It has been assumed that the Colts' 12 balls all came back within the limits as well.

Sorry but did anyone stop taking the article serious when they quoted Reddit?

Also it will be interesting to see what comes out of this, I would assume the league is looking at the Colts balls as well? Or possibly testing to see if they can reproduce the drop in PSI?

That being said I won't take that specific article to serious as you relying on someone on Reddit from not lying and on top of that a science teacher who could have graduated last in their class to give you the facts on the situation. I think the punishment from the NFL if any will be the declaring factor if this was something the environment could change or if it was truly tampering.

Question is though if this was truly the environment they I would expect the Colts balls to be approximately 1-2 PSI below the league allowed level as well. Just laughing at a franchise that can't seem to get out from under the Spy Gate stuff.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Anyone that doesn't believe this is a much larger issue and "normal operating procedure" for the Patriot's is simply a NE fan.

If it is found that the balls were deflated AFTER inspection then this is clearly cheating. The issue is going to be will the NFL start an investigation that this was the only time the Patriot's deflated the balls? This WASN'T the first time they cheated. It was simply the time they got caught.

It doesn't matter if the game's outcome would or would not be affected by this particular cheating event. If found that the Patriot's cheated under the rules of the NFL, there should be a suspension of at least the Super Bowl for Belichick and, in my opinion, it should also contain a suspension of the ENTIRE 2015 season.

Didn't the NFL suspend New Orleans coach for an entire year after it was found that his defensive coordinator had bounties. It was also discussed by many NFL players that bounties happen in every game all the time, but the NFL threw down the gauntlet.

Time to step up and make an example of the Patriot's here, and suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl and the entire 2015 season.

Buffalo radio was suggesting a Belicheck suspension for the SB also, depending of course on the outcome of the investigation.

 

[MG345]

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

I need to go buy an official ball, a pump, a heater and my freezer and play around for awhile to see what sort of differences i can cause in psi over the course of a short period of time.

Does really cold weather cause a ball to deflate? How much? By how many pounds? How quickly will that happen? If the Pats present a ball at the low end of the psi scale, knowing that after 2 hours in the cold it will further deflate, that's different than deflating it on your own.

Need Bill Nye or the mythbusters to get off the couch and work on a live primetime special on nfl network.

This math has already been done multiple times. Yes, temp can affecting pressurization. It would take more of a temp differential than any point during the game. All of the balls would have deflated at a similar rate if it was due to temp, which was not case apparently.

Would you mind linking so I can read this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/deflategate_blame_it_on_the_rain_or_is_there_no_de.html

- For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it's pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game... enough to be considered massively under-inflated.

Temp would affect pressurization, enough to bring the ball under the mandated limit. It does not account for the depressurization that was seen, even the weather into account. The key here is that all of the balls would have seen the same depressurization, and they didn't. It has been assumed that the Colts' 12 balls all came back within the limits as well.

Sorry but did anyone stop taking the article serious when they quoted Reddit?

Also it will be interesting to see what comes out of this, I would assume the league is looking at the Colts balls as well? Or possibly testing to see if they can reproduce the drop in PSI?

That being said I won't take that specific article to serious as you relying on someone on Reddit from not lying and on top of that a science teacher who could have graduated last in their class to give you the facts on the situation. I think the punishment from the NFL if any will be the declaring factor if this was something the environment could change or if it was truly tampering.

Question is though if this was truly the environment they I would expect the Colts balls to be approximately 1-2 PSI below the league allowed level as well. Just laughing at a franchise that can't seem to get out from under the Spy Gate stuff.

It was just the first post that came up with the math, which someone was requesting. I had seen the same numbers thrown around, and the math made sense.

 

[Run It Up]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Ahh...so it's the "everybody does it" defense then.

And where do you get the part about not giving a #### about much worse happening all the time? Do you have inside info. About players using PED's and not being punished for it? I think players using PED's should be punished according to NFL rules. Therefore, I give a ####.

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem? Why does this warrant special treatment? Special media attention? Special levels of butthurtitude?

 

[MG345]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Ahh...so it's the "everybody does it" defense then.

And where do you get the part about not giving a #### about much worse happening all the time? Do you have inside info. About players using PED's and not being punished for it? I think players using PED's should be punished according to NFL rules. Therefore, I give a ####.

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem?

Just a quick check, how many active players on each SB roster had tested positive of PEDs?

 

[rockaction]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Not really. I wonder if precision passing and the West Coast offense they were running against B'More reflected no difference in the PSI preferences of one Tom Brady,

CHEATER.

In regards to Baltimore: CHEATING

 

[Run It Up]

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Honestly I'm shocked NE was able to win at all with all this defective equipment.

28-0 in the 2nd half after the refs re-inflated the balls to their proper PSI.

Clearly, the under inflated balls were an unfair advantage to the Colts.

Why isn't that kid-hating, angry drunkard, Kravitz, investigating this angle?

The result doesn't have anything to do with the legality. If you attempt to murder someone by firing a gun and miss, does that mean you're not guilty?

Probably don't want to use murder in any analogy with this.

In fairness, a Patriot has committed murder as well.

 

[rockaction]

Ball don't lie.

 

[ROCKET]

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it.

An excerpt from Terry Bradshaw in one of his books. STEELERS CHEAT

ETA: Steeler fans are now exempt from spewing the cheating angle on this. You're welcome.

 

[Run It Up]

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem?

Just a quick check, how many active players on each SB roster had tested positive of PEDs?

I think it was 6 and 4. Might have only been 5 on the active roster for Seattle with Browner inactive I believe. But really, does the number matter?

 

[Deamon]

Anyone that doesn't believe this is a much larger issue and "normal operating procedure" for the Patriot's is simply a NE fan.

If it is found that the balls were deflated AFTER inspection then this is clearly cheating. The issue is going to be will the NFL start an investigation that this was the only time the Patriot's deflated the balls? This WASN'T the first time they cheated. It was simply the time they got caught.

It doesn't matter if the game's outcome would or would not be affected by this particular cheating event. If found that the Patriot's cheated under the rules of the NFL, there should be a suspension of at least the Super Bowl for Belichick and, in my opinion, it should also contain a suspension of the ENTIRE 2015 season.

Didn't the NFL suspend New Orleans coach for an entire year after it was found that his defensive coordinator had bounties. It was also discussed by many NFL players that bounties happen in every game all the time, but the NFL threw down the gauntlet.

Time to step up and make an example of the Patriot's here, and suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl and the entire 2015 season.

Buffalo radio was suggesting a Belicheck suspension for the SB also, depending of course on the outcome of the investigation.

shocking.

 

[moleculo]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Ahh...so it's the "everybody does it" defense then.

And where do you get the part about not giving a #### about much worse happening all the time? Do you have inside info. About players using PED's and not being punished for it? I think players using PED's should be punished according to NFL rules. Therefore, I give a ####.

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem? Why does this warrant special treatment? Special media attention? Special levels of butthurtitude?

because the players were disciplined. We are waiting for the Pats to be disciplined as well.

 

[Deamon]

I would be shocked if they actually physically deflated the balls after the 'weigh in", but if this comes out as the case, I'll be the first to admit what they did was wrong.

What if it was the 'hot air' theory? That they filled them with warm air knowing they'd drop before kickoff? If this is the case, for the sake of argument, is this even "illegal"? The rules state balls between the given PSI's must be submitted to the refs (and they were). Is it not the same as a fighter/boxer "weighing in" at the official weigh in at a certain weight, knowing damn well he was going to be a different "technically illegal" weight come fight day?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Even a son of a ##### like Hitler didn't cheat at the 1936 Olympics when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it.

An excerpt from Terry Bradshaw in one of his books. STEELERS CHEAT

ETA: Steeler fans are now exempt from spewing the cheating angle on this. You're welcome.

jesus, we were already writing off those titles due to the juicing, but now this??

what depravities won't they stoop to?

 

[bostonfred]

If this really is rampant I feel bad for all the teams that cheat and still suck.

If this isn't rampant I feel even worse for the teams that suck and don't cheat.

It's entertaining watching you guys get apoplectic yet again while I look forward to watching my team in yet another superbowl. I love watching this team. If they're really pumping hot air in the footballs then lol. Actual genius not just football genius imo.

 

[moleculo]

I would be shocked if they actually physically deflated the balls after the 'weigh in", but if this comes out as the case, I'll be the first to admit what they did was wrong.

What if it was the 'hot air' theory? That they filled them with warm air knowing they'd drop before kickoff? If this is the case, for the sake of argument, is this even "illegal"? The rules state balls between the given PSI's must be submitted to the refs (and they were). Is it not the same as a fighter/boxer "weighing in" at the official weigh in at a certain weight, knowing damn well he was going to be a different "technically illegal" weight come fight day?

in a fight, it's not technically illegal to be a different weight than at weigh-in. all that is required is that one make weight at a fixed limit before the event.

There is nothing illegal about it, technically or no.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Anyone that doesn't believe this is a much larger issue and "normal operating procedure" for the Patriot's is simply a NE fan.

If it is found that the balls were deflated AFTER inspection then this is clearly cheating. The issue is going to be will the NFL start an investigation that this was the only time the Patriot's deflated the balls? This WASN'T the first time they cheated. It was simply the time they got caught.

It doesn't matter if the game's outcome would or would not be affected by this particular cheating event. If found that the Patriot's cheated under the rules of the NFL, there should be a suspension of at least the Super Bowl for Belichick and, in my opinion, it should also contain a suspension of the ENTIRE 2015 season.

Didn't the NFL suspend New Orleans coach for an entire year after it was found that his defensive coordinator had bounties. It was also discussed by many NFL players that bounties happen in every game all the time, but the NFL threw down the gauntlet.

Time to step up and make an example of the Patriot's here, and suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl and the entire 2015 season.

Buffalo radio was suggesting a Belicheck suspension for the SB also, depending of course on the outcome of the investigation.

shocking.

I know right? It is shocking that the Buffalo market, that has to play a team twice a year, a team with a history of cheating and behaving as if they are above the rules, to want appropriate discipline for their LATEST transgression (that we know of).

 

[Run It Up]

If the pressure of the footballs was measured outside, in the cold, at half-time, I could see a 2 psi drop being justified and this is a non-issue.

If the footballs were brought inside and allowed to warm up prior to measuring the pressure, this is a big deal.

We need to know more about how and when the refs re-checked the footballs.

ESPN reported that this was an issue in November when the Pats/Colts played...in a dome. Mike Adams picked Brady twice, sent at least one of the balls to his equipment manager who noticed-and apparently reported-the ball was under inflated. It was 51 degrees in the dome.

The Patriots just don't care. You're not breaking rules unless you get caught apparently.

In most cases, you're not breaking the rules if you aren't the Patriots.The Seahawks had more players found guilty of using PEDs last year than any other team, Broncos the second. Why wasn't that a scandal? Why is this a scandal?

So is this the "persecuted Patriots" defense, or the "everybody does it" defense? Kind of confused here.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Ahh...so it's the "everybody does it" defense then.

And where do you get the part about not giving a #### about much worse happening all the time? Do you have inside info. About players using PED's and not being punished for it? I think players using PED's should be punished according to NFL rules. Therefore, I give a ####.

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem? Why does this warrant special treatment? Special media attention? Special levels of butthurtitude?

because the players were disciplined. We are waiting for the Pats to be disciplined as well.

Again, I asked why that wasn't a scandal but this is.

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Even a son of a ##### like Hitler didn't cheat at the 1936 Olympics when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal.

That was a different time, when poetry was an olympic sport. The games are different these days.

 

[Bucky86]

since spygate all the pats fans wanted was 1 more super bowl win so they could finally shut up those mocking them for not winning since they were caught cheating. Now, they have this. just can't catch a break. The Tom Brady/Belichek era is going to forever tarnished. Oof

 

[Devine Intervention]

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem?

Just a quick check, how many active players on each SB roster had tested positive of PEDs?

I think it was 6 and 4. Might have only been 5 on the active roster for Seattle with Browner inactive I believe. But really, does the number matter?

how many were first offense? if it was second offense was it more severe discipline?

 

[bostonfred]

Wait everybody stop and listen to rock action. He has something new to say.

Go ahead rock, you have the mic.

 

[rockaction]

If this really is rampant I feel bad for all the teams that cheat and still suck.

If this isn't rampant I feel even worse for the teams that suck and don't cheat.

It's entertaining watching you guys get apoplectic yet again while I look forward to watching my team in yet another superbowl. I love watching this team. If they're really pumping hot air in the footballs then lol. Actual genius not just football genius imo.

It must take a solipsistic world not to understand the following.

*********************

 

[bostonfred]

Good job.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Its mostly the "we don't even know what were talking about, but half of us are convinced that the Patriots are literally worse than hitler, while simultaneously giving no #### about much worse #### happening all the time."

Even a son of a ##### like Hitler didn't cheat at the 1936 Olympics when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal.

and he's a well known loser.

so, really, hitler is a lot like the jets

 

[bostonfred]

You can't spell solopsostic without psi, amiright?

 

[Run It Up]

I specifically asked why this is a scandal and that wasn't, the two best teams last year were 1st and 2nd in players found guilty of using PEDs. The players were disciplined and that was it.

Through all the #### and bluster its clear that the haters argument comes down to "we aren't haters, this is a systemic problem" - my response to that is, how is this - but not that a systemic problem?

Just a quick check, how many active players on each SB roster had tested positive of PEDs?

I think it was 6 and 4. Might have only been 5 on the active roster for Seattle with Browner inactive I believe. But really, does the number matter?

how many were first offense? if it was second offense was it more severe discipline?

Idk, go ####### look it up yourself. The point remains, its clearly a systemic problem and nothing came of it.

 

[rockaction]

Good job*.

* bostonfred is a Pats homer