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Footballguy
At 292 pages and still going- relevency has left a long time ago.I think my comments are relevant though.
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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
In the end each of us must decide (a) how feel about the things the Pats have done, (b) the things that the league and other teams have done, and © what the respective fand have said and done. It is unlikely we will all come together and sing kubaya. Thats cool. Its certainly been interesting though. Long live the NFLE, Roger Mcmahon, and wrestling foils known as the Patriots.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
There is literally a picture of him unloading stuff from the plane in the current issue of SI.
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Run It Up
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Pots
Footballguy
Honestly, it's easy to like that kid. I'm rooting for him to succeed (while staying within the rules of the game).
biju
Footballguy
Just got back from the grocery store. I'm wearing my SB48 t-shirt I picked up when I was there. From behind me I hear in a thick Boston accent "What you're not wearing a Superbowl 49 shirt?" I roll my eyes at him. He says "Wait, so you didn't think that was a fantastic game just because your team lost?"
I look at him and said "Was the Giants beating you guys in the last second to ruin your perfect season a great game?"
As he started getting all worked up I smiled and walked off.
I look at him and said "Was the Giants beating you guys in the last second to ruin your perfect season a great game?"
As he started getting all worked up I smiled and walked off.
The General
Footballguy
Any more news/insight about Brady being able to play during an appeal if he loses?
Run It Up
Footballguy
100 articles out there about the possible outcomes.
If either side appeals, the appeals court will either take till the end of this year or the middle of next year.
All depends on specifically how the judge rules. Either way in any case of appeal Brady will seek an injunction to play.
If either side appeals, the appeals court will either take till the end of this year or the middle of next year.
All depends on specifically how the judge rules. Either way in any case of appeal Brady will seek an injunction to play.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Who knows but maybe there's an end to this nonsense. Let's say 1 game, small fine, no admission of guilt. At this point the NFL is looking like a spoiled 5 year old, they are so stupid but who cares when you're rolling in money and ego.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
That's the trigger.
Drop that demand and accept it like Kraft did and you might have a bargain.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Since the NFL has no proof, they need an admission to appear they were in the right?BigSteelThrill said:
Why is that the dealbreaker for the NFL?
Warrior
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It is impossible to really know what either the NFL or Brady would require to settle (if anything). At this point the one thing for certain is they haven't been able to agree to one.
I don't think the NFL cares if they appear to be in the right or not. Apparently they believe Brady cheated and are not willing to let him off the hook unless he admits to it.
I am not sure if Brady truly feels he didn't cheat or not but it is very clear he has no intention of admitting to it and is willing to risk a 4-game suspension to protect his image.
From what I have read, no matter how the judge rules there will likely be an appeal by the losing side. I'm not sure if Brady would be permitted to play during that appeal process but my guess is that he would be able to.
In any case I think the odds of Brady playing week 1 is really good -- probably 90% or better.
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
But this is the main question I'm asking. What does Brady's admission do for the NFL, other than give relevance and validity to the process and investigation?
As I see it, the NFL has nothing material to gain from his admission. This demand appears to be one more instance of a long line of PR battles the NFL is trying to win in this case. Hinging a settlement on it seems absurd ( which is perfect for the issue at hand ).
Old Smiley
Footballguy
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 2m2 minutes ago
John Mara shows up for Brady hearing after Judge Berman "requests" (i.e., demands) it http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Q09
Day 5000: In which we learn that there's an NFL Management Council, and that John Mara is its president...
“Requested” is probably putting it mildly. The case filed by the league in Judge Berman’s court listed only one party as the plaintiff: The National Football League Management Council. Mara, not Commissioner Roger Goodell, is the chairman of the NFL Management Council. So Judge Berman has every right to not request but to demand that Mara attend.
Edit: More Twittering:
Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley 12m12 minutes ago
Yes. Berman seemed interested in a previous hearing about the distinction between NFL/NFL Management Council.
CMadatMe @CMadatMe @StephStradley He's also Chair of the NFL Management Council. That council brought the case to Berman's court. #addedpressure
John Mara shows up for Brady hearing after Judge Berman "requests" (i.e., demands) it http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Q09
Day 5000: In which we learn that there's an NFL Management Council, and that John Mara is its president...
“Requested” is probably putting it mildly. The case filed by the league in Judge Berman’s court listed only one party as the plaintiff: The National Football League Management Council. Mara, not Commissioner Roger Goodell, is the chairman of the NFL Management Council. So Judge Berman has every right to not request but to demand that Mara attend.
Edit: More Twittering:
Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley 12m12 minutes ago
Yes. Berman seemed interested in a previous hearing about the distinction between NFL/NFL Management Council.
CMadatMe @CMadatMe @StephStradley He's also Chair of the NFL Management Council. That council brought the case to Berman's court. #addedpressure
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dansav
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Without an admission of guilt of any kind then I am not sure what they could say would be the basis of any suspension.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Judy Battista @judybattista 45s45 seconds ago
from court: no decision today, no settlement reached, decision could be Tuesday or Wednesday, definitely by Sept. 4.
from court: no decision today, no settlement reached, decision could be Tuesday or Wednesday, definitely by Sept. 4.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Interesting...
Road Warriors
Footballguy
So you agree the investigation and "evidence" doesn't create the basis for a suspension.
Was that Len Burman or Cris Burman? At this point,either one could put an end to this circus today.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No. What I am saying is that in the case of a settlement, the NFL would likely want some form of admission of guilt from Brady or at the very least an acknowledgment that he didn't "fully cooperate".
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 2m2 minutes ago Denver, CO
The NFL touts that it raised $3 million for breast cancer last October. To date it has spent $3.5 million on deflated footballs.
The NFL touts that it raised $3 million for breast cancer last October. To date it has spent $3.5 million on deflated footballs.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see how Judge rules, my understanding is he has the power to go any which way. I would be surprised if he cut the suspension, still think it'll be either in favor of the NFL (based on the CBA) or in favor of Brady, possibly based on the weak initial proof or lack thereof. Brady will continue to play pending appeals etc. Believe it of not this clown show may go on into 2016, lol. The NFL is sticking to their CBA power, Brady is hoping for the judge to look at the facts in light of burden of proof and precedent.
I think it's safe to say the NFL takes a worse PR hit every day this goes on but I'm sure the Brady haters would disagree. My take is that Brady never told them to under inflate the footballs below the legal limit. He likes his footballs on the softer side, some like them harder. Brady's failing is how he just didn't come out and talk about it in a normal fashion but seemingly got some poor counsel and followed it. Every thing I've heard form this judge speaks to a rational mind and good objective look at the whole situation, all favoring Brady. Who knows how it will go, but I think it'll favor Brady because he's nevery been proven guilty.
I think it's safe to say the NFL takes a worse PR hit every day this goes on but I'm sure the Brady haters would disagree. My take is that Brady never told them to under inflate the footballs below the legal limit. He likes his footballs on the softer side, some like them harder. Brady's failing is how he just didn't come out and talk about it in a normal fashion but seemingly got some poor counsel and followed it. Every thing I've heard form this judge speaks to a rational mind and good objective look at the whole situation, all favoring Brady. Who knows how it will go, but I think it'll favor Brady because he's nevery been proven guilty.
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Let's be real here. Most people watching NFL games could care less or are oblivious to what is going on. The only fan base that actually "cares' is NE. Nobody here in WI is talking about Brady, Goodell or deflategate. We will still have a sold out stadium and a waiting list for season tickets that stretches the state. This doesn't hurt the NFL's bottom dollar at all.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Sorry, I had to.
I'd be surprised if the NFL offered a settlement that included only acknowledgement that he didn't "fully cooperate" that there would be an agreement in place now.
Hopefully, the judge rules in the next couple of days, and this can more or less go away. Its time for football
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Old Smiley
Footballguy
Little prediction here. I think that while whomever the judge rules against will immediately appeal, I predict that that appeal will be quietly dropped in a few months. They'll want to move on.....like me.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
You first.Please stop talking.I think my comments are relevant though
Berman has pushed all the chips in. Lets do this.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Oh yeah, I agree. But it is a national story, still all over ESPN, waning. That's surely part of the reason the NFL doesn't settle, they feel they can't fail, money keeps raining in. They're an invincible force. But why not go hard against child abuse, domestic violence instead of an equipment violation that IN THE RULES constitutes a 25K fine? There's parts of this that are baffling but don't talk to us about ".. the most important thing is the integrity of the game..." blah blah blah. Don't take us for stupid (which they probably do behind closed doors).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe the judge has only three options. Vacate the suspension, uphold the suspension, or order another appeal hearing with a third party arbitrator. I do not believe he can impose a reduced suspension.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Not definite, but I thought there had to be a player agreement to go on that list. It was pitched as a win-win for the league an player where the league doesn't suspend a player but keeps them off the field / out of the spotlight, and the player continues to get paid.
I found this
Shutout
Footballguy
I read a few weeks ago that one of the recourses, should the NFL lose, is that they could appeal and that is something that might compel the Brady side to agree to a compromise because the NFL could lose, appeal, and then win and then make Brady unavailable in the playoffs or at a more critical time.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think there are good reasons for both parties to want to avoid a decision and probable appeal. Whether or not that will be enough for them to reach a settlement remains to be seen. It hasn't happened yet but we're getting close to the end of the line, at least for this round.
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biju
Footballguy
Brady has painted himself into a corner on this one whether he is guilty or not. It isn't shocking to me he's taking this stance but I actually applaud the NFL for forcing him to admit culpability.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 7m7 minutes ago
P.R. chief Paul Hicks leaves the NFL, and the news emerges on the same day a #DeflateGate ruling is expected http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Q4a
P.R. chief Paul Hicks leaves the NFL, and the news emerges on the same day a #DeflateGate ruling is expected http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Q4a
The General
Footballguy
I have to start Andy Dalton until Brady gets back. Let's get this pushed back til next year. TIA.
I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another the suspension will be lifted.
He can't confirm it because "another" destroyed his cell phone where he kept the info,but he's "pretty sure"
the suspension will be lifted and the judge in the case will be leaving the bench and getting a gig on
ESPN's Sunday pre-game show.
He can't confirm it because "another" destroyed his cell phone where he kept the info,but he's "pretty sure"
the suspension will be lifted and the judge in the case will be leaving the bench and getting a gig on
ESPN's Sunday pre-game show.
Pots
Footballguy
I understand that some people would prefer the NFL to scoot this under the rug for the pats, much like they did with spygate, but to have no idea why a large portion of the fanbase with loyalties outside New England would support the NFL trying to clean up the game regardless of what team it is or how much easier it would be just to ignore it, seems pretty closed minded.
