Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[IvanKaramazov]

I have no idea why anyone would be applauding or supporting any part of how the NFL has handled this, but mercifully, it's almost over (pending appeals). Hope the thread hits the 300-page mark by then.

If you're saying that the NFL did a poor job of handling this issue, I agree.

If you're saying that I'm supposed to feel sorry for Brady and the Patriots and give them a pass on having cheated, I disagree.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I have no idea why anyone would be applauding or supporting any part of how the NFL has handled this, but mercifully, it's almost over (pending appeals). Hope the thread hits the 300-page mark by then.

If you're saying that the NFL did a poor job of handling this issue, I agree.

If you're saying that I'm supposed to feel sorry for Brady and the Patriots and give them a pass on having cheated, I disagree.

I think that anyone who remotely thinks the NFL did even a mediocre job "handling" this debacle simply has an anti-New England agenda.

A class of sixth graders on an elementary school debate team would have looked like Rhodes scholars compared to Wells, Goodell & company. Idiots.

 

[Abrantes]

I have no idea why anyone would be applauding or supporting any part of how the NFL has handled this, but mercifully, it's almost over (pending appeals). Hope the thread hits the 300-page mark by then.

I understand that some people would prefer the NFL to scoot this under the rug for the pats, much like they did with spygate, but to have no idea why a large portion of the fanbase with loyalties outside New England would support the NFL trying to clean up the game regardless of what team it is or how much easier it would be just to ignore it, seems pretty closed minded.

Even fans of Patriots division rivals should find the NFL's handling of this issue fairly ludicrous (and many do), but paint it as you will.

 

[Abrantes]

I have no idea why anyone would be applauding or supporting any part of how the NFL has handled this, but mercifully, it's almost over (pending appeals). Hope the thread hits the 300-page mark by then.

If you're saying that the NFL did a poor job of handling this issue, I agree.

If you're saying that I'm supposed to feel sorry for Brady and the Patriots and give them a pass on having cheated, I disagree.

The former. "Poor" is putting it kindly. That's what I feel should be a reasonable common ground. The latter point, as evidenced here and elsewhere, certainly isn't.

 

[Bayhawks]

"If Richard Berman issues an order that vacates the punishment, he's really only vacating Roger Goodell's decision to uphold the suspension. So that means it's possible the NFL could reconvene and issue a new investigation, a new punishment."

Please tell me this isn't true. If Brady "wins," the NFL could just punish Brady again? I would hope this thing would just be over.

 

[Casting Couch]

Bob McGovern Legal Analyst for the Boston Globe says a decision will be announced before the end of the week.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Bob McGovern Legal Analyst for the Boston Globe says a decision will be announced before the end of the week.

Didn't the judge say that yesterday and that it would be before Friday?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Bob McGovern Legal Analyst for the Boston Globe says a decision will be announced before the end of the week.

Didn't the judge say that yesterday and that it would be before Friday?

So his expert opinion is based on sound footing. It is wholly irrelevant and useless, adding nothing to the discussion since the judge has already stated as much, but it on sound footing.

 

[Run It Up]

"If Richard Berman issues an order that vacates the punishment, he's really only vacating Roger Goodell's decision to uphold the suspension. So that means it's possible the NFL could reconvene and issue a new investigation, a new punishment."

Please tell me this isn't true. If Brady "wins," the NFL could just punish Brady again? I would hope this thing would just be over.

This was one of the possible outcomes, but I had read that Berman can outline the overturning of the suspension in several ways. One of those includes not being able to be punished again for specifically deflategate/failure to cooperate, another that they have to go back to arbitration with specifically a neutral arbitrator.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The mistake the NFL made was being suckered into a big investigation to try and give them cover for what they knew they were going to do all along.

Ravens tell Colts it's well known Brady likes balls underinflated and equipment guy takes care of it for him.

Colts tell NFL before the game.

During game balls are found to be underinflated.

Video is found of a ballboy taking the balls to a locked room after the refs inspect them.

During initial investigation texts are found between Patriots' staff discussing deflation on behalf of Brady.

Brady destroys phone.

Everything else is a bunch of lawyer crap that has no bearing on the case. NFL could have thrown the book at Brady and the Pats based only on the above, and they'd have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

 

[Run It Up]

The mistake the NFL made was being suckered into a big investigation to try and give them cover for what they knew they were going to do all along.

Ravens tell Colts it's well known Brady likes balls underinflated and equipment guy takes care of it for him.

Colts tell NFL before the game.

During game balls are found to be underinflated.

Video is found of a ballboy taking the balls to a locked room after the refs inspect them.

During initial investigation texts are found between Patriots' staff discussing deflation on behalf of Brady.

Brady destroys phone.

Everything else is a bunch of lawyer crap that has no bearing on the case. NFL could have thrown the book at Brady and the Pats based only on the above, and they'd have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

Uh... several of those points are completely or mostly wrong.

And on the last point, the Wells investigation was a complete sham, but an investigation was required, they just didn't need to outsource it. Why they did it is pretty clear to anyone capable of reading transcripts.

 

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let's just go ahead and reduce/eliminate this suspension and get it over with.... we all have been following the trial....we all know what's coming.

 

[Serenity Now]

Jay Feely at the settlement conference this week

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The mistake the NFL made was being suckered into a big investigation to try and give them cover for what they knew they were going to do all along.

Ravens tell Colts it's well known Brady likes balls underinflated and equipment guy takes care of it for him.

Colts tell NFL before the game.

During game balls are found to be underinflated.

Video is found of a ballboy taking the balls to a locked room after the refs inspect them.

During initial investigation texts are found between Patriots' staff discussing deflation on behalf of Brady.

Brady destroys phone.

Everything else is a bunch of lawyer crap that has no bearing on the case. NFL could have thrown the book at Brady and the Pats based only on the above, and they'd have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

Like they did to the Jets in 2009?

Like they should do to Aaron Rodgers for preferring overinflated balls?

I'm assuming your references to underinflation are references to preferring 12.5 psi over 13.5?

Are you familiar with the logistics of deflating 12 footballs to a similar end state pressure in a bathroom in 90 seconds?

Are you aware that the league had all the relevant communication from other sources?

Are you aware that the league interviewed the deflator 5 times?

How do you feel about the league knowingly leaking false information grossly overstating the marginal below minimum status of football pressures as measured by improperly calibrated equipment in the absence of proper chain of custody and then not correcting the misleading information leaked to the media?

Are you familiar with the concept of a kangaroo court?

Why wasnt a rigorous ball control procedure put in place years ago? Do you think the league was "generally aware" that they lacked adequate command and control mechanisms here?

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

 

[Bayhawks]

The mistake the NFL made was being suckered into a big investigation to try and give them cover for what they knew they were going to do all along.

Ravens tell Colts it's well known Brady likes balls underinflated and equipment guy takes care of it for him.

Colts tell NFL before the game.

During game balls are found to be underinflated.

Video is found of a ballboy taking the balls to a locked room after the refs inspect them.

During initial investigation texts are found between Patriots' staff discussing deflation on behalf of Brady.

Brady destroys phone.

Everything else is a bunch of lawyer crap that has no bearing on the case. NFL could have thrown the book at Brady and the Pats based only on the above, and they'd have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

Like they did to the Jets in 2009?

Like they should do to Aaron Rodgers for preferring overinflated balls?

I'm assuming your references to underinflation are references to preferring 12.5 psi over 13.5?

Are you familiar with the logistics of deflating 12 footballs to a similar end state pressure in a bathroom in 90 seconds?

Are you aware that the league had all the relevant communication from other sources?

Are you aware that the league interviewed the deflator 5 times?

How do you feel about the league knowingly leaking false information grossly overstating the marginal below minimum status of football pressures as measured by improperly calibrated equipment in the absence of proper chain of custody and then not correcting the misleading information leaked to the media?

Are you familiar with the concept of a kangaroo court?

Why wasnt a rigorous ball control procedure put in place years ago? Do you think the league was "generally aware" that they lacked adequate command and control mechanisms here?

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

To quote Run it up:

Uh... several of those points are completely or mostly wrong.

 

[yabahos]

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

Speaking of JJ Watt -

Interesting that Bob McNair blames the Patriots for escalating this. If one owners speaking it then its pretty safe to say that most are thinking it.

 

[Serenity Now]

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

Speaking of JJ Watt -

Interesting that Bob McNair blames the Patriots for escalating this. If one owners speaking it then its pretty safe to say that most are thinking it.

Don't hurt yourself jumping to conclusions like that.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The mistake the NFL made was being suckered into a big investigation to try and give them cover for what they knew they were going to do all along.

Ravens tell Colts it's well known Brady likes balls underinflated and equipment guy takes care of it for him.

Colts tell NFL before the game.

During game balls are found to be underinflated.

Video is found of a ballboy taking the balls to a locked room after the refs inspect them.

During initial investigation texts are found between Patriots' staff discussing deflation on behalf of Brady.

Brady destroys phone.

Everything else is a bunch of lawyer crap that has no bearing on the case. NFL could have thrown the book at Brady and the Pats based only on the above, and they'd have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

Like they did to the Jets in 2009?

Like they should do to Aaron Rodgers for preferring overinflated balls?

I'm assuming your references to underinflation are references to preferring 12.5 psi over 13.5?

Are you familiar with the logistics of deflating 12 footballs to a similar end state pressure in a bathroom in 90 seconds?

Are you aware that the league had all the relevant communication from other sources?

Are you aware that the league interviewed the deflator 5 times?

How do you feel about the league knowingly leaking false information grossly overstating the marginal below minimum status of football pressures as measured by improperly calibrated equipment in the absence of proper chain of custody and then not correcting the misleading information leaked to the media?

Are you familiar with the concept of a kangaroo court?

Why wasnt a rigorous ball control procedure put in place years ago? Do you think the league was "generally aware" that they lacked adequate command and control mechanisms here?

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

To quote Run it up:

Uh... several of those points are completely or mostly wrong.

"I know you are, but what am I?" <----- 4th grade response. seemed appropriate for this thread.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I know...I know....what would JJ Watt do?

Speaking of JJ Watt -

Interesting that Bob McNair blames the Patriots for escalating this. If one owners speaking it then its pretty safe to say that most are thinking it.

Yes, I had read that prior to posting. I love it that that wrinkled old prune had the audacity to say JJ Watt wouldn't have thrown away his phone. What would Greg Louganis do? What a dillweed.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Bob McGovern Legal Analyst for the Boston Globe says a decision will be announced before the end of the week.

Didn't the judge say that yesterday and that it would be before Friday?

That's why "Bob McGovern" is a legal analyst. Analyzed the heck out of that.

 

[humpback]

Suspension vacated by judge:

The Associated PressVerified account‏@AP
BREAKING: Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension.


7:12 AM - 3 Sep 2015

 

[Uncle Grandpa]

 

[GreekFreak]

 

[Old Smiley]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago

AP reporting Tom Brady has won his case.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Link?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Suck it Roger

 

[Run It Up]

We welcome the appeal, you ####### scum lord Goodell.

Suck it haters.

 

[Old Smiley]

Bill Barnwell ‏@billbarnwell 4m4 minutes ago

NFL frantically tries to leak Friday news that maybe Tom Brady shouldn’t be so much of a crybaby did you ever think that?

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Justice is served

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/deflategate-ruling-brady-wins

 

[Old Smiley]

Man, that is sweet.

Not as good as the championship, but pretty freaking sweet.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Lol

 

[Copeman]

Let's teach our kids that it is ok to cheat since they'll get away with it!!!!

 

[Old Smiley]

I want to hear from ESPN's legal analysts. Brandt, where are you. Couldn't win hey? And that other old bugger.

 

[GreekFreak]

Let's teach our kids that it is ok to cheat since they'll get away with it!!!!

 

[Johnny Bing]

Just because the glove didn't fit, doesn't reflect innocence in my eyes.

Carry on with the 293 pages of debate.

 

[B-Deep]

what i am really interested in is what the judge said and its impact on the CBA going forward

 

[mquinnjr]

Just because the glove didn't fit, doesn't reflect innocence in my eyes.

Carry on with the 293 294 pages of debate.

 

[dansav]

Let's teach our kids that it is ok to cheat since they'll get away with it!!!!

Evidence??? Nope

Come be a pats fan you will have fun I promise

 

[Run It Up]

All these talking heads changing their tunes this morning, crazy.

Some people gonna get whiplash, Shannon Sharpe.

 

[TripItUp]

correct ruling by the judge, not surprised

 

[Copeman]

Let's teach our kids that it is ok to cheat since they'll get away with it!!!!

Come be a pats fan you will have fun I promise

When they stop cheating maybe. So.....never.

 

[B-Deep]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 36s37 seconds ago
Don’t expect @NFL to seek an injunction to keep Tom Brady off the field as they appeal this ruling. Basically, he’s playing this season.

 

[Old Smiley]

Guess the league shopped the wrong ####### venue.

All these talking heads changing their tunes this morning, crazy.

Some people gonna get whiplash, Shannon Sharpe.

Some of these jerks should have their noses held in it. Never happen, but still.

 

[GreekFreak]

Marshall Hook ‏@marshallhook 11m11 minutes ago
In the ruling, Judge Berman puts "independent" in quotes every time he refers to Wells investigation. Nice.

 

[B-Deep]

Even jets fan Greeny gets it

the nfl overreached, and kept pushing, and lost

the question now is does this loss make it harder for Goodell to hear any appeals going forward. Did he gamble and lose some of the power he was granted in the CBA.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 36s37 seconds ago
Don’t expect @NFL to seek an injunction to keep Tom Brady off the field as they appeal this ruling. Basically, he’s playing this season.

Let's just start this season.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Not a patriots fan, but good for Tom.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

'Grats Tom.

'Grats Patriot fans.

 

[TripItUp]

No matter how you spin this, Goodell looks absolutely terrible and ridiculous here.

What a clown.

How long do the owners put up with his incompetency?

 

[Godsbrother]

Even jets fan Greeny gets it

the nfl overreached, and kept pushing, and lost

the question now is does this loss make it harder for Goodell to hear any appeals going forward. Did he gamble and lose some of the power he was granted in the CBA.

I would think so. Pretty much every player that loses a decision of a Goodell appeal can go to court to try and overturn it.