Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

Okay, fair enough... "Is Tom Brady a cheater?"

I don’t believe so. I feel like I’ve always played within the rules. I would never do anything to break the rules.

I realize its not what people wanted him to say, and my answer to that is; and? Its literally the same thing as saying no, and I'm not a cheater - which he also said more directly several times before and after that question in the same presser.

People somehow worse than Chris Collinsworth exist

 

[elguapo07]

OJ was found not guilty as well. This didn't change the opinion of most. The same will be said about Brady...wrong or right, he will be guilty in the eyes of most. In 20 years....someone inside the Patriots organization is going to make millions writing a tell all book about the Do Your Job Patriots.

Comparing what OJ did to Brady? Yea OK.

Not the actions...just the perception of guilt by the masses.

You are not the first to make the OJ comparison. I think you're only talking about the perception, but some aren't.So here's my thing on that. In the Simpson case, there was clearly a terrible crime. There was a brutalized mutilated body. Murder had been done without a doubt.

In this case we have to accept the prosecution's claim that there was even a violation. It is no more than an allegation that the half time pressure in the footballs could not be accounted for naturally. The evidence for that claim, the claim that there was even a crime committed, is disputed. And from that questionable basis, everything is retrofitted with intent to build the case against the Patriots.

Maybe I should have compared this with someone like Gaylord Perry who is a HOF pitcher who used a spitball.

Perhaps a better comparison would be a hockey goalie having a 15.75 inch blade length when 15.5 inches is the limit.

 

[Old Smiley]

Okay, fair enough... "Is Tom Brady a cheater?"

I don’t believe so. I feel like I’ve always played within the rules. I would never do anything to break the rules.

I realize its not what people wanted him to say, and my answer to that is; and? Its literally the same thing as saying no, and I'm not a cheater - which he also said more directly several times before and after that question in the same presser.

People somehow worse than Chris Collinsworth exist

Surely it's possible to be just plain gobsmacked by a question.

 

[JIslander]

Because this is too good not to repost and hopefully falls on page 300 -- http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/patriots-press-conference-cold-open/2842425

rats

 

[matuski]

OJ was found not guilty as well. This didn't change the opinion of most. The same will be said about Brady...wrong or right, he will be guilty in the eyes of most. In 20 years....someone inside the Patriots organization is going to make millions writing a tell all book about the Do Your Job Patriots.

Comparing what OJ did to Brady? Yea OK.

Not the actions...just the perception of guilt by the masses.

I can't imagine this perception holding among those with a shred of critical thought.

The masses don't put as much time into thinking about this. They heard (right or wrong) that there was cheating. So I do believe that the masses think that Brady or the Pats cheated.

Maybe when the masses were watching in January, TB should have answered the question of whether he was a cheater with something more confident than "I don't believe so".

He was so confident he didn't even take the question seriously. There is no way you could watch his reaction and think he looked or sounded guilty unless that was your assumption beforehand.

 

[JIslander]

OJ was found not guilty as well. This didn't change the opinion of most. The same will be said about Brady...wrong or right, he will be guilty in the eyes of most. In 20 years....someone inside the Patriots organization is going to make millions writing a tell all book about the Do Your Job Patriots.

Comparing what OJ did to Brady? Yea OK.

Not the actions...just the perception of guilt by the masses.

I can't imagine this perception holding among those with a shred of critical thought.

The masses don't put as much time into thinking about this. They heard (right or wrong) that there was cheating. So I do believe that the masses think that Brady or the Pats cheated.

Maybe when the masses were watching in January, TB should have answered the question of whether he was a cheater with something more confident than "I don't believe so".

He was so confident he didn't even take the question seriously. There is no way you could watch his reaction and think he looked or sounded guilty unless that was your assumption beforehand.

Its all becoming clearer now. I suppose the SNL crew whiffed on that too. Sill funny though.

 

[matuski]

OJ was found not guilty as well. This didn't change the opinion of most. The same will be said about Brady...wrong or right, he will be guilty in the eyes of most. In 20 years....someone inside the Patriots organization is going to make millions writing a tell all book about the Do Your Job Patriots.

Comparing what OJ did to Brady? Yea OK.

Not the actions...just the perception of guilt by the masses.

I can't imagine this perception holding among those with a shred of critical thought.

The masses don't put as much time into thinking about this. They heard (right or wrong) that there was cheating. So I do believe that the masses think that Brady or the Pats cheated.

Maybe when the masses were watching in January, TB should have answered the question of whether he was a cheater with something more confident than "I don't believe so".

He was so confident he didn't even take the question seriously. There is no way you could watch his reaction and think he looked or sounded guilty unless that was your assumption beforehand.

Its all becoming clearer now. I suppose the SNL crew whiffed on that too. Sill funny though.

Berman pretty much laid it out there for you clear as day if you are somehow still unclear on anything.

I imagine if you are still going this route, you are intent on being obtuse.

eta -JIslander - 185 posts in this thread .... I see you are a bit too invested.

 

[JIslander]

OJ was found not guilty as well. This didn't change the opinion of most. The same will be said about Brady...wrong or right, he will be guilty in the eyes of most. In 20 years....someone inside the Patriots organization is going to make millions writing a tell all book about the Do Your Job Patriots.

Comparing what OJ did to Brady? Yea OK.

Not the actions...just the perception of guilt by the masses.

I can't imagine this perception holding among those with a shred of critical thought.

The masses don't put as much time into thinking about this. They heard (right or wrong) that there was cheating. So I do believe that the masses think that Brady or the Pats cheated.

Maybe when the masses were watching in January, TB should have answered the question of whether he was a cheater with something more confident than "I don't believe so".

He was so confident he didn't even take the question seriously. There is no way you could watch his reaction and think he looked or sounded guilty unless that was your assumption beforehand.

Its all becoming clearer now. I suppose the SNL crew whiffed on that too. Sill funny though.

Berman pretty much laid it out there for you clear as day if you are somehow still unclear on anything.

I imagine if you are still going this route, you are intent on being obtuse.

eta -JIslander - 185 posts in this thread .... I see you are a bit too invested.

yeah man --guess that makes me a 1 percenter here. Glad to be a part of the "witch hunt"

BTW - congrats on the 1300+ posts per year for 10 years here --you truly are a Footballguy.

 

[PatsWillWin]

This was like winning an off-season Super Bowl. This was great.

 

[Run It Up]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”
The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

 

[Stealthycat]

go after Luck - demand his cell phone records - FIND OUT WHY the Colts had deflated balls

that's fair

 

[JIslander]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

1. what's your point?

2. you know there was more than one incident, right?

 

[Penguin]

Reporter: "Julian, how do you feel about having to catch harder footballs this season?"

Edelman: "No worries, we're using Gorilla Glue this year."

 

[JIslander]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

1. what's your point?

2. you know there was more than one incident, right?

1. So its ok to bash Steelers fans or whomever and say Ben is a rapist and horrible person, but when he says something that supports your argument, he's one of your spokespersons..

2. not sure what you are inferring.

 

[Run It Up]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

Theres also probably a thousand posts in this thread from people claiming that there is no way Brady couldn't have known the balls were low or how balls were specifically prepared.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

1. what's your point?

2. you know there was more than one incident, right?

1. So its ok to bash Steelers fans or whomever and say Ben is a rapist and horrible person, but when he says something that supports your argument, he's one of your spokespersons..

2. not sure what you are inferring.

This thread is 300 pages long. In these 300 pages, Brady, Belichick, the Patriots organization and its fans have been villified. There have been some who have wanted to debate dispassionately over the facts of the matter at hand, and there have those who have wanted to troll. On certain occasions, some of these trolls, perceived to be Steeler fans, have received feedback regarding particularly pointed insulting comments regarding any of the above targets, and references to Roethlisberger's legal history have been cited.

I am not inferring anything. In 2012 the two parties involved in the alleged sexual assault of a woman lured to a penthouse agreed to settle out of court. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed. In a separate incident, Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in a restroom in a bar. There was anecdotal information released to the public about Roethlisberger's bodyguards standing watch outside the bathroom while he allegedly engaged in assaulting a female. The prosecutor in that case declined to prosecute.

I don't think BR is a bad person, and I think there's reasonable doubt surrounding the degree of culpability in the incidents above. But the fact remains that these incidents happened. So, some people "call" Roethlisberger a rapist, and some people call Brady a cheater. Neither has been found to be one in a court of law, but there you are. We all carry our own personal asterisks, don't we?

Good evening.

 

[JIslander]

Big Ben comment:

“Well it just felt like the league had done something without really — I wasn’t big in looking at all the details,” Roethlisberger said in a conference call with the Patriots media. “I guess it was more of a feeling and an inkling of knowing that the commissioner jumped to a pretty harsh punishment.”

The Steelers QB said he won’t prepare his footballs any differently now that protocol has changed regarding how officials will check them before games. “I have never actually known or cared what my game balls are like,” Roethlisberger said. “I don’t know what PSI is in there. It really hasn’t been my thing from high school to college to the NFL. I have no idea where our equipment guys even have the inflation number at. I am completely clueless to all that stuff. I just play ball.”

1) there's probably a dozen posts in this thread by Pats fans calling Ben a rapist and ;

2) I actually believe Ben when hes says he has no idea

1. what's your point?

2. you know there was more than one incident, right?

1. So its ok to bash Steelers fans or whomever and say Ben is a rapist and horrible person, but when he says something that supports your argument, he's one of your spokespersons..

2. not sure what you are inferring.

This thread is 300 pages long. In these 300 pages, Brady, Belichick, the Patriots organization and its fans have been villified. There have been some who have wanted to debate dispassionately over the facts of the matter at hand, and there have those who have wanted to troll. On certain occasions, some of these trolls, perceived to be Steeler fans, have received feedback regarding particularly pointed insulting comments regarding any of the above targets, and references to Roethlisberger's legal history have been cited.

I am not inferring anything. In 2012 the two parties involved in the alleged sexual assault of a woman lured to a penthouse agreed to settle out of court. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed. In a separate incident, Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in a restroom in a bar. There was anecdotal information released to the public about Roethlisberger's bodyguards standing watch outside the bathroom while he allegedly engaged in assaulting a female. The prosecutor in that case declined to prosecute.

I don't think BR is a bad person, and I think there's reasonable doubt surrounding the degree of culpability in the incidents above. But the fact remains that these incidents happened. So, some people "call" Roethlisberger a rapist, and some people call Brady a cheater. Neither has been found to be one in a court of law, but there you are. We all carry our own personal asterisks, don't we?

Good evening.

To be honest, I thought your #2 had something to do with other teams deflating footballs but apparently it was all about BR of which you'll have to deal with Steeler Nation ...but for me really just adds more to my #1.

Good evening.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I love how even after Judge Berman looks at all the evidence and rules that Brady did nothing wrong,idiots who know next to nothing about the facts ,won't just admit this was a witch hunt from start to end. Let it go ,you`ll look like a better person for it.

 

[Bucky86]

I love how even after Judge Berman looks at all the evidence and rules that Brady did nothing wrong,idiots who know next to nothing about the facts ,won't just admit this was a witch hunt from start to end. Let it go ,you`ll look like a better person for it.

I love idiots that still think Judge Berman ruled on whether Brady was innocent or not.

 

[Old Smiley]

On to four hundred...

 

[BoomGoesTheDynamite]

I love how even after Judge Berman looks at all the evidence and rules that Brady did nothing wrong,idiots who know next to nothing about the facts ,won't just admit this was a witch hunt from start to end. Let it go ,you`ll look like a better person for it.

I love idiots that still think Judge Berman ruled on whether Brady was innocent or not.

It wasn't the job of the judge to find Brady guilty on innocent so he was never going to rule on it one way or another but it was pretty obvious that he thought there wasn't enough evidence to find Brady guilty based on his comments:

"What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If I'd been posting in here all along, I'd have egg on my face because I'd have said that a federal judge probably wouldn't interfere with an arbitrator's ruling when it comes to the underlying factual findings -- and in terms of procedure, the NFLPA agreed to let Goodell decide stuff like this.

In hindsight, though, I should have known better. The NFL concluded that Brady was "generally aware" of the deflation -- but so what? There's nothing in the CBA that allows the NFL to punish players for being generally aware of stuff. Each of the provisions cited by the NFL supporting punishment were drafted unilaterally by the NFL, not collectively bargained.

I think Brady is guilty, but there isn't enough in the Wells report to justify a suspension.

 

[Run It Up]

Guilty of general awareness or of actively participating in a scheme to undermine the integrity of the league?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Guilty of general awareness or of actively participating in a scheme to undermine the integrity of the league?

The Wells Report did not conclude that Brady had actively participated. And even if it had concluded that (with supporting evidence), it would be active participation in an equipment violation. The penalty for that (which was not collectively bargained) had always been a warning or a fine, not a suspension.

I do think there's probably sufficient evidence to conclude that Brady actively participated -- but it wasn't clearly identified in the Wells Report. If the league wants to suspend Brady for active participation in a scheme to cheat, it probably needs to redo the investigation.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I don't know if it has to be "..scheme to undermine the integrity of the league..?" as the other option. (Even though the league loves throwing out similar verbage ad nauseam) It could be something like: ordering the staffers to let out air to a level below the legal limit, and being aware of those limits...

I don't see the proof that that happened, and neither has anyone else. Too many people say they "think" he did it, "believe" he is guilty, it would be better said: "I'd like to think he did it" or "I'd like to believe he did it." Just like so many said Goodell knew about the Rice tape before he ruled, he must have! The NFL is all powerful etc etc. Well, we don't know if they knew about it, they said they didn't. Anyways- BRady got lucky to get a thoughtful and thorough judge who saw this for the sham it was and threw it out of court, done.

 

[Run It Up]

It was the exact verbiage Goodell used in the leagues submission to Berman of their position against Brady. Judge Berman was not particularly thrilled that after not proving anything happened at all, that the NFL changed their stance from general awareness to active participation.

For several reasons, but mostly because general awareness wasn't a rule to be broken, they literally moved the goal posts before the first day in court because any neutral party would have laughed them out the building if their grounds for punishment was that they thought Brady participated in a scheme to deflate balls with no proof of either his participation, deflated balls or any direction to do anything against the rules.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Yup, onto Pittsburgh! You're dealing in rational real world thinking, please stop! lol

 

[Vanilla Guerrilla]

So, does Brady go after Goodell for defamation or libel or whatever? I'd think if TB was a good guy, he'd want to force a horrible commish to at least settle and resign from office. Even Steeelers fans would love him if he did that. What's the lifetime income difference between a QB like Montana vs. one like Gannon that didn't make the HoF even with SB wins?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

For those who are confident in Brady's guilt, doesnt it seem odd that the footballs in question measured around 12.3 on average? What if Brady and the equipment guys "scheme" was to ensure that he always had the opportunity to play with footballs at 12.5, versus, say, the 16 psi ball that the deflator complained about to Mcnulty? That would fir with Brady's text of "you didnt do anything wrong bud" whereas if he was pressuring (pun intended) the equipment guy to deliver 11.5 balls (a) he wouldnt have said that and (b) the measured balls just brought in from the cold wouldnt have measured right around 12.5. Oh well, i guess the conspiracy to cheat and damage integrity sells better in major markets outside of Boston.

 

[Old Smiley]

For those who are confident in Brady's guilt, doesnt it seem odd that the footballs in question measured around 12.3 on average? What if Brady and the equipment guys "scheme" was to ensure that he always had the opportunity to play with footballs at 12.5, versus, say, the 16 psi ball that the deflator complained about to Mcnulty? That would fir with Brady's text of "you didnt do anything wrong bud" whereas if he was pressuring (pun intended) the equipment guy to deliver 11.5 balls (a) he wouldnt have said that and (b) the measured balls just brought in from the cold wouldnt have measured right around 12.5. Oh well, i guess the conspiracy to cheat and damage integrity sells better in major markets outside of Boston.

At the times when I'm willing to sell out Jastremski and McNally that's what I think. A conspiracy to make sure the balls were legal.

Edit: AND, it's possible Brady wasn't even aware of that. Those two guys just did it themselves so Brady wouldn't yell at them again.

 

[matuski]

So, does Brady go after Goodell for defamation or libel or whatever? I'd think if TB was a good guy, he'd want to force a horrible commish to at least settle and resign from office. Even Steeelers fans would love him if he did that. What's the lifetime income difference between a QB like Montana vs. one like Gannon that didn't make the HoF even with SB wins?

This would be awesome.

Brady would go down as a legend in his own time if he pointed the witch hunt back around on Goodell.

 

[Run It Up]

I don't think there's any direct evidence to prove intent to defame.

Anybody looking at the events could deduce it, but there isn't a smoking gun. There's no transcript of Goodell and Kensil sitting in a room saying they will leak misinformation.

In the arbitration Goodell heard Brady's appeal testimony then straight up lied in his representation of Brady's testimony, but theres no way to prove that wasn't how he interpreted Brady's testimony.

Its hard to prove.

 

[Anarchy99]

Not sure what the point would be to a defamation suit. Brady doesn't need the money and certainly has no desire to spend more time in court. There were whispers that had the judge sided with the NFL that he would not have appealed as the whole process was wearing him down. Even if the defamation suit was for tens of millions of dollars, it would still only amount to small potatoes in a household with a net worth of half a billion.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Homer's perspective, lol.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/fan_shot_images/397898/iV5axlT.png

 

[Old Smiley]

I trust you guys all saw where Brady doesn't appear on the Superbowl 50 promo...

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyedNESN 12h12 hours ago

This tweet has now been deleted. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/640675871867715584 …


Again with the not knowing how to link right... you'll have to click on the "12h12 hours ago"

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[Abrantes]

Page 300. Good job, salties on all sides.

 

[Old Smiley]

Excelsior!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Now can we lynch someone?

vote roger the dodger

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Kraft spotted with Deflategate judge at party.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Kraft+spotted+with+Deflategate+judge+at+party&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

[AngryPatriot]

I heard they saw him slip him an envelope when they did a bro hug.... more later!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I heard they saw him slip him an envelope when they did a bro hug.... more later!

if Kraft was seen mingling with Goodell at a party recently THEN i would be shocked

 

[Anarchy99]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

Well they turned over at least 10 tapes of like 8 teams, and that info went public. I dont see any uproar needed to think there was in fact more. Everyone should know that.

 

[irish eyes]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

Just listened to part of this. Patriots are biggest scumbag organization in sports & goodell is an absolute buffoon.

 

[Whizzinator]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

Well they turned over at least 10 tapes of like 8 teams, and that info went public. I dont see any uproar needed to think there was in fact more. Everyone should know that.

Why would they have randomly picked 10 tapes of 8 teams if there were actually more? Zero evidence of what you suggest---worth noting.

 

[Steelers4Life]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

I'm watching Mike n Mike right now.

They're not stirring the pot. The OTL investigations have always been a pretty reliable source.

They're saying that this Deflategate investigation was a "make-up" call because the Deflategate investigation was done so hastily. On top of the info that 40+ games worth of signals were taped between 2000 and 2007, they also state that it was Goodell's call to take the EIGHT tapes those were on and have NFL executives smash them on the floor and leave the pieces there for Patriots' lawyers to pick up. A lot of details in there about the timing and who was involved.

It explains why this investigation was so over the top, and I don't think there are many sane people who don't believe there was a lot more to Spygate than anyone ever learned about, which is why the NFL had the evidence destroyed to not tarnish the game any more than it did.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

What a coincidence that this "new" information happens to come out now

 

[BigSteelThrill]

ESPN stirring the pot on Spygate again. OTL alleging NE taped signals for 40 games and that there was some mysterious agreement with Kraft to get things swept under the rug.

Well they turned over at least 10 tapes of like 8 teams, and that info went public. I dont see any uproar needed to think there was in fact more. Everyone should know that.

Why would they have randomly picked 10 tapes of 8 teams if there were actually more? Zero evidence of what you suggest---worth noting.

Im saying that NEP had more, not the NFL (via whatever was handed over).

 

[Steelers4Life]

Also saying that Mike Martz issued his statement that he was satisfied with the Spygate investigation because Goodell asked him to in a panic. Mike Martz didn't want to, but he did.

And that the ultimate statement attributed to him included words he never said.

My God, Goodell did more to #### that one up than we ever knew.