lilathebeast
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so what devious trick are the Pats gonna pull off in the Superbowl to have the sporting world up in arms?
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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
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Buffaloes
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rockaction
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I don't think you'll see this poo-poo'd by the NFL,or Bob Kraft - http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-somebodys-going-down-deflategate
rockaction
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I think only time will tell. That video you linked to actually started getting very legal-esque about "process" and etc.
We'll see.
I don't think the Pats are anywhere near as ethical as you think. They're freakin' dirty, right?
Kool-Aid Larry
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Football Jones
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I was hoping this was BS, but if Mort is right, I wonder how long this has been going on. I heard the balls were shy 2 PSI. That's fairly significant.
My first concern as far as league integrity is this could definitely make Brady a more effective passer. Maybe much more effective. This is huge if proven to be true.
My first concern as far as league integrity is this could definitely make Brady a more effective passer. Maybe much more effective. This is huge if proven to be true.
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Sarlakticacid
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Kool-Aid Larry
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pizzatyme
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Well, pending the final intel on how the balls got deflated (which we will probably never know), I think today is a day we all lose as fans.
I'm sure there will now be 50 more pages to this thread and 500 more Cheatriots-type threads for years to come. There will be a spinfest by those fans who want to minimize it and those who want to make it more than it was.
The saddest part to me is the fact that, apparently, they did it on purpose. Eleven of 12 balls is not a coincidence. Just bad.
The toughest part for me was that I was just coming around to feeling that I could appreciate what the Patriots accomplished this year. I can see that they know how to build a winning formula and with great coaching and exceptional QB play, they can be a dominant franchise as they have been for some time.
Of course I'm jealous of the fans getting to experience the fun that comes with playing in and winning SB games. However, this event really solidifies in my mind that I'm happy "my" team did it the "right" way, win or lose.
Patriots fans, the funny thing is, I think your team is going to win the Super Bowl going away. You'll be happy for the win and some of you don't care how it comes. I just hope that the majority of your fan base feels saddened by this apparent blatant disregard for the integrity of the game and the NFL shield that we all share a common love.
I'm sure there will now be 50 more pages to this thread and 500 more Cheatriots-type threads for years to come. There will be a spinfest by those fans who want to minimize it and those who want to make it more than it was.
The saddest part to me is the fact that, apparently, they did it on purpose. Eleven of 12 balls is not a coincidence. Just bad.
The toughest part for me was that I was just coming around to feeling that I could appreciate what the Patriots accomplished this year. I can see that they know how to build a winning formula and with great coaching and exceptional QB play, they can be a dominant franchise as they have been for some time.
Of course I'm jealous of the fans getting to experience the fun that comes with playing in and winning SB games. However, this event really solidifies in my mind that I'm happy "my" team did it the "right" way, win or lose.
Patriots fans, the funny thing is, I think your team is going to win the Super Bowl going away. You'll be happy for the win and some of you don't care how it comes. I just hope that the majority of your fan base feels saddened by this apparent blatant disregard for the integrity of the game and the NFL shield that we all share a common love.
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FUBAR
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Their fan base likely won't care as long as they win. So many of them were joking about it yesterday, it will be interesting to see if any retract their jokes and admit their team wins partly because they cheat.
FUBAR
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Billy Bats
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I bet Peyton wishes he had softer balls.
devouredbychaos
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Face it guys, I know you love to bring out the pitchforks against the Pats, but none of us know all the details. All we know is that the balls were under inflated. We don't know how they came to be that way, or when. We don't know if the Colts balls were the same, or if this is a common practice in the NFL. As another user pointed out, the max is 12.5 PSI. The balls could have been inflated to 11.5 PSI, the minimum, and dropped to 10.5 PSI because of weather, causing the press to say they were 2 PSI under. Or it could be a rogue ball boy deflated then a la USC. Or, the Patriots intentionally cheated. My point is, we don't know.
Del Griffith
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I predict by the end of the day, some meddling Arlen Specter-type Congressman will call for a Congressional investigation into this. And naturally, the American sheeple won't fight it.
PatsWillWin
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Yeah I still don't care. Do I think the Colts win the other day if the football is 12.5 psi instead of 11.5 psi? No. Until they do something that changes the answer to that question, don't care at all. People hated the Patriots when they started winning, long before SpyGate, I've come to revel in it.
Baloney Sandwich
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The report certainly makes things look bad for the Patriots. However, there was a lot of evidence that made OJ look guilty and he ended up being innocent.
Billy Bats
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So I assumed teams providing their own balls to play their game stopped around little league, or beer league softball at the latest. A billion dollar corporation still lets teams supply their own balls to play the game?! 
If they cheated,they cheated. But i'm withholding judgement until all the facts come out.
SeniorVBDStudent
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If a link can be established between ballboy inflation tampwring and BB he is Richard Nixon. If not, hes Reagan (just as devious but remembered nore fondly).
BustedKnuckles
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My question is ....if it helps the QB why not let them deflate the balls by a pound or 2 ...who cares ? Who decided the ball has to be 12 - 13 lbs in the first place ? Who came up with that weight? Seems some QB`s like a ball more inflated and some less ....its not hurting anyone .
devouredbychaos
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Honestly IF the Patriots had some part in this, it was via a third party 'objective' person, such as a ball boy. I say this having listented to Mike Pereira this morning on the radio who verbatim stated that after the balls have been tested they are PLACED UNDER GUARD during the game; this is not something the Patriots could just waltz in and do.
devouredbychaos
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Remember that time when the Colts illegally cranked the temperature up in the RCA Dome? And remember that time when they also illegally piped in artificial crowd noise? Multiple teams complained about it
Reaper
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I get that it has little chance of effecting the game and is kinda silly....
It's just the freaking Balls Bellichik has to pull off stuff like this that most coaches would never even dream of....
Such a slimy SOB......
At this point you pretty much know he's cheating in some way, it's every one else's job just to figure out what it is.
It's just the freaking Balls Bellichik has to pull off stuff like this that most coaches would never even dream of....
Such a slimy SOB......
At this point you pretty much know he's cheating in some way, it's every one else's job just to figure out what it is.
This is what I was wondering as I listened to the news about this. If it really is as easy to deflate the game balls as some people are implying, then once you are done investigating the Pats, you have to take a hard look at the system in place that monitors this stuff, because it apparently sucks.
This talk of game integrity...blah...blah...blah...is stupid.
How about every person caught cheating using PEDs is thrown out of the league, and the teams who consistently employ such individuals (cough...Seahawks...cough) be fined, lose draft picks and be forced to do a Papa John's commercial?
I think it is very possible that the ball boy/girl/hermaphrodite knows Brady prefers balls with slightly less PSI and either took it upon him/her/hermself or was told by someone OTHER than BB to deflate them. Do crackpots like that angry drunk, Kravitz, really think BB is micro-managing all aspects of the game to that level? Rhetorical, I know...because that child-hating, bar frequenting hack, Kravitz, believes that to be the case. Well, bitter, hammered one...do you assign blame to Pete Carroll for all of the PEDs situations on his team? Hypocrite.
How about every person caught cheating using PEDs is thrown out of the league, and the teams who consistently employ such individuals (cough...Seahawks...cough) be fined, lose draft picks and be forced to do a Papa John's commercial?
I think it is very possible that the ball boy/girl/hermaphrodite knows Brady prefers balls with slightly less PSI and either took it upon him/her/hermself or was told by someone OTHER than BB to deflate them. Do crackpots like that angry drunk, Kravitz, really think BB is micro-managing all aspects of the game to that level? Rhetorical, I know...because that child-hating, bar frequenting hack, Kravitz, believes that to be the case. Well, bitter, hammered one...do you assign blame to Pete Carroll for all of the PEDs situations on his team? Hypocrite.
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johnnycakes
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The culmination of the cheating scandals during the Belichick era should keep both BB and Brady out of the HOF.
Niles Standish
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So a football is supposed to be 12.5 to 13.5 PSI. The Pats balls were found to be 2PSI low. So they were 10.5 PSI. That sounds like a pretty significant difference. They would be 84% as full as the least inflated football allowed. And 77% as full as a fully inflated (as much as allowed) football.
That seems like you could squeeze the damn thing and it wouldn't even hold its shape.
I'm not doubting they were underinflated. My question is why would Brady want a football so low, you'd imagine it wouldn't float anything like a properly inflated football. I'm not a science guy, am I looking at the PSI wrong? Or are these really something like 3/4 filled with air and 1/4 not holding their shape?
That seems like you could squeeze the damn thing and it wouldn't even hold its shape.
I'm not doubting they were underinflated. My question is why would Brady want a football so low, you'd imagine it wouldn't float anything like a properly inflated football. I'm not a science guy, am I looking at the PSI wrong? Or are these really something like 3/4 filled with air and 1/4 not holding their shape?
Ditkaless Wonders
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Ditkaless Wonders
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The league should force the Patriots to use kicking balls which are underinflated by 2 pounds for all kicking for the next 11 years, one year for each underinflated ball. Every punt will travel 5% less far and have % 5 less hang time, every kickoff will fall significantly shorter, offering potentially better field position to the opponent, and field goal range for the Pats will be significantly reduced. At the end of the 11 years Pats fans can get back to us as to whether such a small thing had any significant impact on their games.
It would be really fun if during that time the Pats were not allowed any closed practices. Other coaches could observe every play they practiced and listen in on their signals and audibles.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Systematic cheating by a repeat offender and something that directly affected the integrity of the game.
I know the Pats fans don't care and a lot of people don't understand how it's a big advantage in those conditions, but I'll go out on a limb and predict the league absolutely crushes the Pats on this one.
LuckyOne
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The argument that it didn't matter because the score was 45-7 really doesn't hold water. If they did it in that game, why should anyone believe they didn't do it when they barely beat the Ravens? How about any of the 16 regular season games that gave them home field throughout the playoffs. Since it's a repeat offense, the penalty should be substantial.
LuckyOne
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They will still hold their shape fine. Buy a football and inflate it to 10.5 psi. It's just a smidge soft, but it is far easier to grip
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Niles Standish
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A question. Do the calls go pretty hard against the Pats in the Superbowl to make sure they don't win because of scandal? I mean assuming it's a close game? The Pats might get distracted enough over the next couple weeks that we don't have a close game anyway.
Billy Bats
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Brad Johnson cheated and scuffed his balls for SB 37!! Suspend everyone!!
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs-qb-johnson-paid-to-have-footballs-altered-before-sb-37/2214490
The only real solution is to disqualify the Pats and have the Ravens and Colts play this Sunday with nerf balls.
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http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs-qb-johnson-paid-to-have-footballs-altered-before-sb-37/2214490
The only real solution is to disqualify the Pats and have the Ravens and Colts play this Sunday with nerf balls.
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Niles Standish
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For me it would be, my hands aren't big enough to comfortably grip a full-size football. Not sure when you're Tom Brady. I can't imagine he has a hard time gripping a normal football so it has to be about how it flies or how easily it can be caught.
ratbast
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Yeah Im a Pats fan
This pisses me off. If they conclude tampering with the balls, then it is embarrassing.
And to R-action, Im picking a second team and giving you another response so you can pad you posts. So I now like the Giants too. (Pats/Giants vs Jets/Giants, we own you)
and as a Giants fan I also discredit any SB with LT in it as he was a known coke fiend and that was banned league wide and illegal nationally.
Carry on troll, but hey my team deserves it.
This pisses me off. If they conclude tampering with the balls, then it is embarrassing.
And to R-action, Im picking a second team and giving you another response so you can pad you posts. So I now like the Giants too. (Pats/Giants vs Jets/Giants, we own you)
and as a Giants fan I also discredit any SB with LT in it as he was a known coke fiend and that was banned league wide and illegal nationally.
Carry on troll, but hey my team deserves it.
SaintsInDome2006
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I have a sense Roger Goodell is yet again going to do something very questionable here, maybe even something dumb, based solely on his own judgement and whim. He really can't help himself.
FUBAR
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Someone should try this out at home.
I can say that with soccer balls, a slightly underinflated one is perfectly usable but won't bounce as much. Same with basketball - I can actually grip a slightly underinflated basketball but not a properly inflated one.
devouredbychaos
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So now they're saying the balls were checked at halftime and found to be under inflated. They either inflated them to 12.5 or gave them new ones to begin the 2nd half. And what halhappened in that 2nd half? The Patriots crushed the Colts with legal game balls.
netnalp
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May also impact how reactive the ball is to getting tipped and might bounce around a little less when being bobbled.
