Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

Here's another question - and I'm guessing this has been covered in these lo now 43 pages - if it was D'Qwell Jackson who first noticed the ball was low after his interception, why didn't the refs, and especially the umpire who handles the ball every single damn snap, notice this in the course of the game themselves???

 

[FreeBaGeL]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

So what would happen in the MLB if someone used a bat that didn't meet the specs. Not corked, but if it was longer than the maximum length, wider than the maximum width, or lighter than the minimum weight?

I don't know the answer.

 

[JohnnyU]

Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?

Wonder why nobody thought of that?

Thought of what? That the weather is going to affect the balls? Many people have thought of that, but apparently all these reporters are completely unaware of it. Whether the numbers work out or not is still up for debate, but it's not debatable that the balls WOULD get softer. So there's no reason for them to act so incredulous that Brady wouldn't have noticed anything.

NEWSFLASH to Parrot and Yellowdog: All 12 Indy balls were pumped up to specification, so you can't play the weather card. Only the NE balls were deflated.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my post.

my bad

 

[Ned]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

A corked bat is still a bat. Are the umps inspecting every bat before each game?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

Here's another question - and I'm guessing this has been covered in these lo now 43 pages - if it was D'Qwell Jackson who first noticed the ball was low after his interception, why didn't the refs, and especially the umpire who handles the ball every single damn snap, notice this in the course of the game themselves???

Refs were in on the whole thing!

Mort should be reporting this soon. Or Kravitz. He's a bit slower though.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Brunell: "Wow. This is a huge advantage because of the grip. In cold, wet conditions it's an advantage, for receivers too. I could throw this ball 10 yard further. "

Louis Riddick's comments make me wonder what the PSI on the ball for the Giants was when Beckham made his amazing catch.

Funny. Three guys that actually played professional football correctly picked the under inflated ball and unanimously agree that its a huge advantage to the offense, yet we still have a bunch of FBG's that probably never played a single snap at a competitive level disagreeing it actually matters.

Is Aaron Rodgers a FBG? Because he doesn't think it's an advantage.

 

[The General]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

You may want to add a bullet about the realistic sanctions being thrown around...significant fine, loss of draft picks, BB fired, SB spot forfeited, etc.

Noted.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for using a bat that doesn't meet specifications?

This was kind of what I was getting at in my last post. Everyone seems to think that the NFL needs some ridiculous level of evidence like an admission of ball tampering or a video or something. I don't know that that's necessarily true. They ostensibly gained a competitive advantage and the balls didn't magically deflate themselves. They are foing

 

[PatsWillWin]

I like how through 99% of the year, NFL refs are complete morons who can't even properly determine what a catch is, but now, they're engineers who methodically and meticulously measured each of the Patriots game balls with a precision rivaled only by that of Walter White in a meth lab.

because it takes an engineering degree to put a needle in a hole and look at the number the needle points to on the gauge?

It might've been hyperbole. Maybe.

 

[Bad_Mo]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for using a bat that doesn't meet specifications?

This was kind of what I was getting at in my last post. Everyone seems to think that the NFL needs some ridiculous level of evidence like an admission of ball tampering or a video or something. I don't know that that's necessarily true. They ostensibly gained a competitive advantage and the balls didn't magically deflate themselves. They are foing

Maybe the Colts switched ball bags with NE to set them up?

 

[Thunderlips]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

So what would happen in the MLB if someone used a bat that didn't meet the specs. Not corked, but if it was longer than the maximum length, wider than the maximum width, or lighter than the minimum weight?

I don't know the answer.

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

So what would happen in the MLB if someone used a bat that didn't meet the specs. Not corked, but if it was longer than the maximum length, wider than the maximum width, or lighter than the minimum weight?

I don't know the answer.

Doctoring legal pieces of equipment, beyond established rules is a illegal in baseball. This would/should be the same thing.

 

[Annyong]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for using a bat that doesn't meet specifications?

This was kind of what I was getting at in my last post. Everyone seems to think that the NFL needs some ridiculous level of evidence like an admission of ball tampering or a video or something. I don't know that that's necessarily true. They ostensibly gained a competitive advantage and the balls didn't magically deflate themselves. They are foing

Maybe the Colts switched ball bags with NE to set them up?

Was trying to delete that-IPad screwed up post

 

[PatsWillWin]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

 

[JohnnyU]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for using a bat that doesn't meet specifications?

This was kind of what I was getting at in my last post. Everyone seems to think that the NFL needs some ridiculous level of evidence like an admission of ball tampering or a video or something. I don't know that that's necessarily true. They ostensibly gained a competitive advantage and the balls didn't magically deflate themselves. They are foing

Maybe the Colts switched ball bags with NE to set them up?

I'm pretty sure you don't believe that. Besides, how can they do that in NE or anywhere since bothe teams are in possession of their own ball right up until 2 hrs and 15 minutes before game time.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Soooo wish Brady brought out two balls. One inflated at 12.5 psi and one at 10.5 psi.

This could have been an OJ-esque glove fitting moment. Damn.

 

[bostonfred]

That Brady press conference was better than porn.

They're all porn to me. I'll tell you, I don't want to have sex with him, but I'd he ever wanted to have sex with me I wouldn't even need Gisele in the room.

 

[yellowdog]

Bill and Tom said they didn't cheat, so I guess that's the end of it.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

 

[Bad_Mo]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for using a bat that doesn't meet specifications?

This was kind of what I was getting at in my last post. Everyone seems to think that the NFL needs some ridiculous level of evidence like an admission of ball tampering or a video or something. I don't know that that's necessarily true. They ostensibly gained a competitive advantage and the balls didn't magically deflate themselves. They are foing

Maybe the Colts switched ball bags with NE to set them up?

I'm pretty sure you don't believe that. Besides, how can they do that in NE or anywhere since bothe teams are in possession of their own ball right up until 2 hrs and 15 minutes before game time.

No...joking

 

[ChuckLiddell]

That Brady press conference was better than porn.

They're all porn to me. I'll tell you, I don't want to have sex with him, but I'd he ever wanted to have sex with me I wouldn't even need Gisele in the room.

But wouldnt he be cheating then?

 

[parrot]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

Or, option 3, the Pats submitted borderline-legal balls, temperature differences brought them below threshold, and Mort's figure's maybe are less than 100% accurate.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Brunell: "Wow. This is a huge advantage because of the grip. In cold, wet conditions it's an advantage, for receivers too. I could throw this ball 10 yard further. "

Louis Riddick's comments make me wonder what the PSI on the ball for the Giants was when Beckham made his amazing catch.

Funny. Three guys that actually played professional football correctly picked the under inflated ball and unanimously agree that its a huge advantage to the offense, yet we still have a bunch of FBG's that probably never played a single snap at a competitive level disagreeing it actually matters.

No, you don't understand.

Those three guys are just "salty" "haters".

The entirety of ESPN's analysts and talking heads who are unanimously slamming Belichick and Brady post-press conferences as con-artists and cheaters? All "salty" "haters"!

The NFL, after docking the Pats draft picks and/or suspending Belichick/brady? Pffft, a bunch of "salty" "haters". Probably jealous too!

Don't they know this isn't at all a big deal? It just so happens the Pats continue to bungle their way into getting caught for a bunch of "not a big deal" shenanigans! They get no advantage at all, can't these "salty" "haters" understand? Belichick keeps making these rule-bending risks that result in no real advantage because he thinks it's joyous fun. He and Brady are always high-fiving about it (unless theyre 69ing; they dont want to dislocate a shoulder).

 

[Frostillicus]

apparently Brady ran a closed door meeting with his team today, before the upcoming press conference..

and with this , so goes his career..laughing about it a couple days ago, obnoxiously, arrogantly, to now have a closed door meeting with teammates to basically say I did it???? he's a fraud, people..his whole football career is a fraud..

reports are that other teams have noticed deflated balls in games v. Patriots earlier in the year..this is sytemic.Brady is, as I and others have always maintained, is a first class cheater..he's NOT the greatest QB ever, not even in the conversation ...does he show his narcissism and deny it all , or take responsibility and then try to downplay it with his aww shucks demeanor,as Jim Rome says. it's a pity, because they have no shot at beating Seattle even with Brady..but there's an outstanding chance he is suspended for the Super Bowl..bye bye, d-bags! this likely has been happening his entire career...you figure he doesnt throw many ints, so how would the opposition get a hand on the ball anyways? Pats dont turn the ball over very often.Brady knows this..he engineered this and needs to be reprimanded accordingly..

Rules.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Brunell: "Wow. This is a huge advantage because of the grip. In cold, wet conditions it's an advantage, for receivers too. I could throw this ball 10 yard further. "

Louis Riddick's comments make me wonder what the PSI on the ball for the Giants was when Beckham made his amazing catch.

Funny. Three guys that actually played professional football correctly picked the under inflated ball and unanimously agree that its a huge advantage to the offense, yet we still have a bunch of FBG's that probably never played a single snap at a competitive level disagreeing it actually matters.

So you're gonna take Mark Brunnels word for it? A guy who's known to be salty as #### over his loss to the Pats in the playoffs? Lol. Ok. We've got a winner here! He's just as bad as Marshall Faulk. You can't take him seriously.

 

[Bucky86]

Brunell: "Wow. This is a huge advantage because of the grip. In cold, wet conditions it's an advantage, for receivers too. I could throw this ball 10 yard further. "

Louis Riddick's comments make me wonder what the PSI on the ball for the Giants was when Beckham made his amazing catch.

Funny. Three guys that actually played professional football correctly picked the under inflated ball and unanimously agree that its a huge advantage to the offense, yet we still have a bunch of FBG's that probably never played a single snap at a competitive level disagreeing it actually matters.

Is Aaron Rodgers a FBG? Because he doesn't think it's an advantage.

Good point. I wonder if he knew that they could've averaged more than 122 plays/fumble if they used under-inflated balls.

 

[CR69]

So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this?

 

[mbuehner]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

Or, option 3, the Pats submitted borderline-legal balls, temperature differences brought them below threshold, and Mort's figure's maybe are less than 100% accurate.

IV) Nobody actually measures, anywhere in the league. There is a pressure gauge rusting at the bottom of every equipment bag that hasnt been touched since it was bought 15 years ago.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Tom's not a good liar like Belicheck..

Having said that, I love Brady's soft balls.

what do you think he lied about? He said he hand picked the balls and took the ones he liked.He sounded shaken by people calling him a cheater but didn't sound angry or defensive. He just sounded sad.

He didn't check their psi. Would you?

Silly controversy, and sad that the greatest qb in hosiery is subjected to this nonsense.

Lol I'm leaving the typo. Auto correct strikes again.

It is certainly your right to leave the typo, but I cannot let it go uncontested. Joe Namath was the greatest qb in hosiery in my opinion.

 

[bostonfred]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

 

[shader]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

A corked bat is still a bat. Are the umps inspecting every bat before each game?

Weather can cause a football to deflate. Whether cannot cause a cork to go into a baseball bat

 

[devouredbychaos]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

 

[Deamon]

What exactly were the other 12 balls for? Brady said he had to pick 24 balls for this game, was it always planned to be 12 for first half and 12 for 2nd half? Or were the other 12 just backups.

 

[parrot]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

If only Sizzle would weigh in, then we'd have something!

 

[Niles Standish]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

This is my opinion. And honestly if it's #1 I don't think it's a big deal. I think the NFL needs to measure if they expect it to be followed. If #2 then penalties will abound.

 

[parrot]

What exactly were the other 12 balls for? Brady said he had to pick 24 balls for this game, was it always planned to be 12 for first half and 12 for 2nd half? Or were the other 12 just backups.

They have a full set of backup balls.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

What exactly were the other 12 balls for? Brady said he had to pick 24 balls for this game, was it always planned to be 12 for first half and 12 for 2nd half? Or were the other 12 just backups.

Back ups

 

[CR69]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

Oh oh oh, let me guess!

All "salty" "haters"??

 

[Deamon]

What exactly were the other 12 balls for? Brady said he had to pick 24 balls for this game, was it always planned to be 12 for first half and 12 for 2nd half? Or were the other 12 just backups.

They have a full set of backup balls.

Oh ok... so why wouldn't they deflate the backup balls too? or are those rarely used so it wouldn't really matter.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

lol

 

[ragnarok628]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

A corked bat is still a bat. Are the umps inspecting every bat before each game?

Weather can cause a football to deflate. Whether cannot cause a cork to go into a baseball bat

can weather selectively cause only Patriots footballs to deflate?

 

[12punch]

how have things been going with the shut ins today?

if you guys start to feel a little too much anxiety over this maybe spend 3 or 4 hours over here for a break

 

[mbuehner]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

Jackson 'noticed' because the Colts had been #####ing about it since the last time they played the Pats.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys

are terrible liars.

Try to keep up

 

[PatsWillWin]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

 

[Deamon]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

D'Qwell Jackson "noticed" immediately since they had been tipped off and told about this by The Ravens.

You think it's ironic that one of the first times (can't remember if it was the first) the Colts got to handle the balls the pats brought, that they instantly went and handed it in?

 

[The General]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

Or, option 3, the Pats submitted borderline-legal balls, temperature differences brought them below threshold, and Mort's figure's maybe are less than 100% accurate.

IV) Nobody actually measures, anywhere in the league. There is a pressure gauge rusting at the bottom of every equipment bag that hasnt been touched since it was bought 15 years ago.

They have one. SUPER BORING VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE PROCES

 

[12punch]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

which guys -- dqwell?

because I was of the understanding colts were getting their complaints in order on the flight over

 

[ragnarok628]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

D'Qwell Jackson "noticed" immediately since they had been tipped off and told about this by The Ravens.

You think it's ironic that one of the first times (can't remember if it was the first) the Colts got to handle the balls the pats brought, that they instantly went and handed it in?

ironic does not mean coincidental.