Patriots being investigated after Colts game (6 Viewers)

[Brony]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

D'Qwell Jackson "noticed" immediately since they had been tipped off and told about this by The Ravens.

You think it's ironic that one of the first times (can't remember if it was the first) the Colts got to handle the balls the pats brought, that they instantly went and handed it in?

snitches get stitches

 

[12punch]

They just brought up an interesting point on Around the Horn about comparing it to pine tar or a corked bat in baseball. If someone uses a corked bat they're punished by the league. They don't have to have a video of them corking the bat, they don't test every bat before every game. Even if the refs overlooked the pre-game test, wouldn't the Pats similarly still be at fault for using balls that didn't meet specifications similarly to a baseball player being at fault for not using a bat that meets specifications?

A corked bat is specifically illegal. The fact that it is corked means it has been tampered with. A slightly deflated football is still a football. If they found footballs with lighter "inflatable bladders" or laces that weighed less, or something like that, the analogy would fit.

These are footballs, with a bit less air in them. Why the air is less? I guess that's the million dollar question that everyone will wonder for the next decade.

A corked bat is still a bat. Are the umps inspecting every bat before each game?

Weather can cause a football to deflate. Whether cannot cause a cork to go into a baseball bat

can weather selectively cause only Patriots footballs to deflate?

ever heard of bear weather?

well, that's pats weather

 

[mbuehner]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

Or, option 3, the Pats submitted borderline-legal balls, temperature differences brought them below threshold, and Mort's figure's maybe are less than 100% accurate.

IV) Nobody actually measures, anywhere in the league. There is a pressure gauge rusting at the bottom of every equipment bag that hasnt been touched since it was bought 15 years ago.

They have one. SUPER BORING VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE PROCES

They do- a video about the ball checking process specifically, and the refs are literally fumbling over the gauges trying to get them to work.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

I'll play...Are they all guys who lost super bowls or big games to a team that likely in some way illegally tilted the odds in their favor and got away with it?

ETA...not sure where Brunell fits in as a salty Pats hater.

 

[Deamon]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

I think it's either:

a) Refs don't actually measure, they just examine them informally. Patriots submit under-inflated balls when they want, and they normally get passed fine (after all, refs touch the ball between each play, they didn't notice anything then).

b) Refs do actually measure, and the ball pressures were changed, in which case one or both of Brady and Belichick are lying.

Or, option 3, the Pats submitted borderline-legal balls, temperature differences brought them below threshold, and Mort's figure's maybe are less than 100% accurate.

IV) Nobody actually measures, anywhere in the league. There is a pressure gauge rusting at the bottom of every equipment bag that hasnt been touched since it was bought 15 years ago.

They have one. SUPER BORING VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE PROCES

They do- a video about the ball checking process specifically, and the refs are literally fumbling over the gauges trying to get them to work.

Ya. Does anyone really think that these refs sat there and did this for 48 balls before this game? Checking each one perfectly? I'm starting to believe the theory that they pumped up a bunch to 12.5 (or damn close to it)... Brady picked the ones he liked (not based on 'psi', but just what felt right), refs gave all 24 of theirs a quick squeeze test, then did 24 of indys balls the same way, then they went on the field.

 

[12punch]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

D'Qwell Jackson "noticed" immediately since they had been tipped off and told about this by The Ravens.

You think it's ironic that one of the first times (can't remember if it was the first) the Colts got to handle the balls the pats brought, that they instantly went and handed it in?

I think it's a little odd that this is a supposed pattern behavior that teh colts must have noticed in the first meeting, and yet I believe they picked brady off in that game and apparently nobody noticed or said a word about it

didn't seem so obvious a few weeks ago, I guess

 

[msudaisy26]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You forgot about getting the NFL to change the rules after 2004 when they realized they couldn't beat the Pats

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

Oh oh oh, let me guess!

All "salty" "haters"??

Everybody is out to get the Patriots. It's "us" against "the world". Even Troy Aikman-who said he was certain this was on Brady and that the Pats should pay a stiffer price than the Saints, is out to get them.

Gawd the whining is enough to drive an NFL fan up the wall. I didn't understand years ago when Joe Bryant made a point of singling out Pats fans for whining on this site, but I've since come to understand completely.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

 

[parrot]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

Oh oh oh, let me guess!

All "salty" "haters"??

Everybody is out to get the Patriots. It's "us" against "the world". Even Troy Aikman-who said he was certain this was on Brady and that the Pats should pay a stiffer price than the Saints, is out to get them.

Gawd the whining is enough to drive an NFL fan up the wall. I didn't understand years ago when Joe Bryant made a point of singling out Pats fans for whining on this site, but I've since come to understand completely.

Yeah, it's definitely the Pats fans doing all the whining.

Why not throttle back with all the accusations until the actual report comes out and we all know what the FACTS are?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Like Jim Rome says, the coverup is always worse than the crime. This really shouldn't be that big of a deal, but the coverup is making it one.

Tom Brady is one of the worst liars I've ever seen.

"Once I go out on the field, I don't worry about the football."

 

[mbuehner]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

Every Colt noticed before they got on the plane to Boston. Theyd been #####ing about it for weeks, since their last game. You could have handed them a bowling ball and theyd be sure it was under-inflated.

 

[Ned]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

Yet they didn't report it to the authorities back then in hopes to use it later for the ### whooping they expected to get in the playoffs?

 

[parrot]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

D'Qwell Jackson "noticed" immediately since they had been tipped off and told about this by The Ravens.

You think it's ironic that one of the first times (can't remember if it was the first) the Colts got to handle the balls the pats brought, that they instantly went and handed it in?

I think it's a little odd that this is a supposed pattern behavior that teh colts must have noticed in the first meeting, and yet I believe they picked brady off in that game and apparently nobody noticed or said a word about it

didn't seem so obvious a few weeks ago, I guess

They allegedly did notice it in the first game after the interception, which is why they put it on their list of things for the refs to watch for in the playoff rematch.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

Every Colt noticed before they got on the plane to Boston. Theyd been #####ing about it for weeks, since their last game. You could have handed them a bowling ball and theyd be sure it was under-inflated.

I was referring to their first game in Indy in November.

 

[cstu]

Summary:

Brady said he picks the ones he likes and is done with it. The refs are supposed to check them with a device and ok them. They are then lower after the game. Some say this would help, some say whatever.

Brady and Bill say they didn't ask anybody to do anything to the balls.

So you either have a ref that didn't actually measure, a equipment guy did it on his own, or 11 deflated naturally.

Is that right? I've become the point person on this in my office!

Here's another question - and I'm guessing this has been covered in these lo now 43 pages - if it was D'Qwell Jackson who first noticed the ball was low after his interception, why didn't the refs, and especially the umpire who handles the ball every single damn snap, notice this in the course of the game themselves???

Unless they were squeezing they would not have noticed. Bettis showed what the under-inflated ball looked like when squeezed.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

Yet they didn't report it to the authorities back then in hopes to use it later for the ### whooping they expected to get in the playoffs?

No idea, I don't work for the Colts. What does that have to do with the price of bananas?

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You're embarrassing yourself, quit it.

 

[Thorn]

Ask Stevan Ridley why the Patriots don't fumble much.

BenJarvus Green-ellis might be a good guy to ask too.0 fumbles in 536 touches as a Patriot, 5 fumbles in 524 touches as a Bengal.

959 touches in college, wait for it ... 0 fumbles. Now what?

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

The two are not mutually exclusive. That you incorrectly thought the Ravens were the sole source of concern over the Pats breaking the rules does not mean the concern didn't exist earlier. I have no idea what you've read about this.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Brady's right, you guys. No one's dying here. People only die at the hands of the Patriots when you spill a drink on one of them at a club.

was it spilled milk ?

 

[devouredbychaos]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You're embarrassing yourself, quit it.

The only person who's embarrassing themselves is you and every other single salty hater in this thread. The NFL hasn't even confirmed that 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated, yet for some reason you're believing Mortenson..who's been wrong in the past. Talk about embarrassing!

 

[parrot]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

The two are not mutually exclusive. That you incorrectly thought the Ravens were the sole source of concern over the Pats breaking the rules does not mean the concern didn't exist earlier. I have no idea what you've read about this.

The point is that there are so many versions of the story floating around that anyone who claims to have any real idea of what happened - i.e. "a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately" - is pretty much spewing b.s.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You're embarrassing yourself, quit it.

The only person who's embarrassing themselves is you and every other single salty hater in this thread. The NFL hasn't even confirmed that 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated, yet for some reason you're believing Mortenson..who's been wrong in the past. Talk about embarrassing!

ok, you're the one rooting for a cheating organization and the perception is nationwide. The Patriots will forever be tarnished in the yes of the public (minus the Northeast) and again, this is forever.

 

[Tango]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

The two are not mutually exclusive. That you incorrectly thought the Ravens were the sole source of concern over the Pats breaking the rules does not mean the concern didn't exist earlier. I have no idea what you've read about this.

Right.

The Ravens certainly played a big role via their special teams' complaint (not any Pats' offensive game ball). But, to your point, there are probably many tributaries to this river.

It's amazing to me that the NFL has called and talked to Ravens (plural), but not to Brady.

On a related note.....Mike Francesa, God love him, may be a blow-hard 93% of the time...but his last couple hours have been gold. He's right on the mark with this and makes even the most denial-laden Patriot fan squirm. Not that I care about making a Patriot fan squirm (I have no horse in this race), but his points have been direct hits against Brady/BB/Craft and of course the NFL.

 

[ragnarok628]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

 

[Green and Gold]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You're embarrassing yourself, quit it.

The only person who's embarrassing themselves is you and every other single salty hater in this thread. The NFL hasn't even confirmed that 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated, yet for some reason you're believing Mortenson..who's been wrong in the past. Talk about embarrassing!

ok, you're the one rooting for a cheating organization and the perception is nationwide. The Patriots will forever be tarnished in the yes of the public (minus the Northeast) and again, this is forever.

No, just until we are all dead and buried. Our kids won't care. So give or take a few decades.

 

[The General]

Ya. Does anyone really think that these refs sat there and did this for 48 balls before this game? Checking each one perfectly? I'm starting to believe the theory that they pumped up a bunch to 12.5 (or damn close to it)... Brady picked the ones he liked (not based on 'psi', but just what felt right), refs gave all 24 of theirs a quick squeeze test, then did 24 of indys balls the same way, then they went on the field.

This is what I guess as well. If that's the case the ref that is supposed to do it is not loving life right now.

 

[mr roboto]

So now it's a POSITIVE for Pat's fans that ANOTHER TEAM noticed and notified the Colts? How the hell is that helping your point exactly?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

When Carroll got caught doing this at USC, he just pointed at the kid/intern/equipment guy. Then fired him. Done.

 

[parrot]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

It was actually posted once, then quoted several times, before you posted it a second time. Maybe you should become more discerning when you read things, both in this case, and in general.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

The two are not mutually exclusive. That you incorrectly thought the Ravens were the sole source of concern over the Pats breaking the rules does not mean the concern didn't exist earlier. I have no idea what you've read about this.

The point is that there are so many versions of the story floating around that anyone who claims to have any real idea of what happened - i.e. "a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately" - is pretty much spewing b.s.

Fine, based on that standard why does this thread even exist? Why does this board even exist? Apparently it's only to discuss history?

I know what your point was, I don't think it's a good point. I'm speaking on what was reported. And again, that doesn't necessarily constitute "different versions".

Can you imagine a scenario-based on what has been reported- where the Colts noticed back in November AND the Ravens tipped them off prior to the AFCCG? I certainly can, particularly since that appears to be the sequence of events.

DISCLAIMER: I am not an employee of the Colts OR the Ravens OR the NFL. I am basing this on media reports only.

 

[12punch]

Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys are terrible liars.

The refs didn't notice for two quarters. Maybe D'Qwell Jackson has a career as a ref waiting for him when his career is over.

And yet a Colts equipment manager noticed immediately when given the ball after one of Mike Adams interceptions when they played in Indy. So his point stands.

I thought it was because the Ravens tipped them to look out for it?! I mean it's almost like no one really knows what actually transpired.

The two are not mutually exclusive. That you incorrectly thought the Ravens were the sole source of concern over the Pats breaking the rules does not mean the concern didn't exist earlier. I have no idea what you've read about this.

Right.

The Ravens certainly played a big role via their special teams' complaint (not any Pats' offensive game ball). But, to your point, there are probably many tributaries to this river.

It's amazing to me that the NFL has called and talked to Ravens (plural), but not to Brady.

On a related note.....Mike Francesa, God love him, may be a blow-hard 93% of the time...but his last couple hours have been gold. He's right on the mark with this and makes even the most denial-laden Patriot fan squirm. Not that I care about making a Patriot fan squirm (I have no horse in this race), but his points have been direct hits against Brady/BB/Craft and of course the NFL.

fyi -- anybody who's a blowhard 93% of the time is most likely a blowhard 100% of the time but your estimate ends up low.

get back to me with what tony korneiser, skip bayless, stephen a smith, jay mariotti, and rush limbaugh think about this, so I know what my opinion should be

 

[12punch]

I can't imagine brunell, Faulk, polian, Dawkins and Bettis all thinking the patriots are guilty. Trying to think of what those guys have in common but I'm at a loss.

Oh oh oh, let me guess!

All "salty" "haters"??

Everybody is out to get the Patriots. It's "us" against "the world". Even Troy Aikman-who said he was certain this was on Brady and that the Pats should pay a stiffer price than the Saints, is out to get them.

Gawd the whining is enough to drive an NFL fan up the wall. I didn't understand years ago when Joe Bryant made a point of singling out Pats fans for whining on this site, but I've since come to understand completely.

yeah, it's all the pats fans that are whining

ok

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

When Carroll got caught doing this at USC, he just pointed at the kid/intern/equipment guy. Then fired him. Done.

Yeah I was going to mention this earlier. They got to find their fall guy now. Expect a ball boy to get fired soon I guess.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Ask Stevan Ridley why the Patriots don't fumble much.

BenJarvus Green-ellis might be a good guy to ask too.0 fumbles in 536 touches as a Patriot, 5 fumbles in 524 touches as a Bengal.

959 touches in college, wait for it ... 0 fumbles. Now what?

different ball

 

[ragnarok628]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

It was actually posted once, then quoted several times, before you posted it a second time. Maybe you should become more discerning when you read things, both in this case, and in general.

Do you know how i know you haven't been reading this thread long?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots are up to something

Welcome to the legacy bonfire.

Might as well throw the Colts into the mix too. Piping in artificial crowd noise, purposely cranking the heat up in the RCA dome, and let's not forget intentionally losing so they could draft Luck. You can't argue another team is cheating when your own team has done it themselves.

You're embarrassing yourself, quit it.

The only person who's embarrassing themselves is you and every other single salty hater in this thread. The NFL hasn't even confirmed that 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated, yet for some reason you're believing Mortenson..who's been wrong in the past. Talk about embarrassing!

I totally get it, and I appreciate it.

You're trolling the trolls and actually doing a "typical delusional head-in-the-sand Pats fan" schtick. Well played and carry on!

#salty #haters

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What exactly were the other 12 balls for? Brady said he had to pick 24 balls for this game, was it always planned to be 12 for first half and 12 for 2nd half? Or were the other 12 just backups.

Back ups

were the backups deflated as well?

 

[Old Smiley]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

Halfwitted ex-jock outrage peddlers? Braindead Bayless wannabes? Sanctimonious idiots?

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

It was actually posted once, then quoted several times, before you posted it a second time. Maybe you should become more discerning when you read things, both in this case, and in general.

Wrong again, that decouredby chaos guy has been using it in every single post he makes (note: do not take "every single" literally, it's a figure of speech suggesting "most) and across related threads.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

 

[Bojang0301]

Guys let's put this in perspective: ANDY DALTON IS IN THE PRO BOWL... Let's all agree on how awful that is and hope for a good Super Bowl.

 

[Tool]

NFL is a joke for letting this idiotic discussion go on for so long. They're holding an investigation but haven't talked to Brady. Media is running with whatever info they want whether it's true or not. Noone knows if the balls were deflated by 2 psi's or .2 psi's or whatever. People believe what they want to believe. If you hate the Pats of course, now you can walk around with an erection over this story. If you like the Pats, you're going to think it's all a bunch of bs.

 

[ragnarok628]

When Carroll got caught doing this at USC, he just pointed at the kid/intern/equipment guy. Then fired him. Done.

Yeah I was going to mention this earlier. They got to find their fall guy now. Expect a ball boy to get fired soon I guess.

you guys are like the 7th and 8th in this thread to incorrectly attribute the USC thing to Carroll. Lane Kiffen was the coach for that one.

 

[ragnarok628]

i've read the phrase 'salty hater' more times in this thread than the whole rest of my life combined times ten. Can't you delusional sycophants at least mix it up? let's get some "bitter losers" and maybe some "jealous <insert team> fans" thrown in. you know, mix it up?

Halfwitted ex-jock outrage peddlers? Braindead Bayless wannabes? Sanctimonious idiots?

all improvements!

 

[12punch]

NFL is a joke for letting this idiotic discussion go on for so long. They're holding an investigation but haven't talked to Brady. Media is running with whatever info they want whether it's true or not. Noone knows if the balls were deflated by 2 psi's or .2 psi's or whatever. People believe what they want to believe. If you hate the Pats of course, now you can walk around with an erection over this story. If you like the Pats, you're going to think it's all a bunch of bs.

I think that's really more up to fbg mods than the nfl

 

[Bucky86]

When Carroll got caught doing this at USC, he just pointed at the kid/intern/equipment guy. Then fired him. Done.

Yeah I was going to mention this earlier. They got to find their fall guy now. Expect a ball boy to get fired soon I guess.

you guys are like the 7th and 8th in this thread to incorrectly attribute the USC thing to Carroll. Lane Kiffen was the coach for that one.

GET YOUR FACTS OUT OF HERE!!! I TOM BRADY AND THE PATRIOTS. THEY WOULDNT EVER CHEAT.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Guys let's put this in perspective: ANDY DALTON IS IN THE PRO BOWL... Let's all agree on how awful that is and hope for a good Super Bowl.

Haha good point.

Hope he can stay healthy or JaMarcus Russell will have to suit up.

 

[The General]

When Carroll got caught doing this at USC, he just pointed at the kid/intern/equipment guy. Then fired him. Done.

When did this happen?