Patriots being investigated after Colts game (8 Viewers)

[Deamon]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

This post tells everyone in here how much they should value your educated opinions. My god, what a piece of work. Not a Colts fan, either.

Not familiar with [i####]'s work? Well...

pretty well known that [icon] is one of the worst posters on this forum today.

I dunno, Johnny U, Scientist, Cowboyz1, and General Tso might have something to say about that

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I think Goodell will say that despite no admissions of guilt, eye-witnesses, or anything being recorded, the circumstantial evidence is strong enough to penalize the Patriots for cheating.

24 balls were weighed before the game and all were within specifications. The 12 Indy balls were weighed after the game and they were found to be within specification. Of the 12 Patriot balls that were weighed, 11 of them were found to be deflated to almost exactly 2 ounces below specification. Someone tampered with these balls after the referee signed off on them and they tampered with them in such a way as they were all almost exactly the same. The balls were stored with NE after weigh-in.

Penalty - 25K per ball = 275K fine.

In addition the loss of a 2nd and 3rd round draft choice in the 2015 draft.

 

[dickey moe]

This whole thing is ridiculous. If anything, blame the refs who had their hands all over balls the entire game.

 

[nxmehta]

i think it's cute that some of you think your favorite teams don't cheat.

God, I wish the Browns cheated ####### harder so we could win some games!

Seriously though, I am amazed that so many people are making a big deal out of this.

 

[12punch]

i think it's cute that some of you think your favorite teams don't cheat.

God, I wish the Browns cheated ####### harder so we could win some games!

Seriously though, I am amazed that so many people are making a big deal out of this.

The Browns confirm the league is investigating whether a member of the team's personnel department texted the sideline during games.
A "high-ranking" personnel man allegedly texted the sideline complaining about play calls. "Obviously I'm aware of it," coach Mike Pettine said Thursday. "I do know that's an ongoing league investigation." The use of "any electronic communication devices" on the sidelines or in the coaches' booth is strictly prohibited

 

[mbuehner]

All im saying is, its totally reasonable to attribute all the Patriots success in the last decade plus to 2psi of underinflated balls that no-one has noticed or checked until now.

Btw if you believe the above, that is why you are a loser.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I am guessing a 7 figure fine and a mid-round pick gone for the Pats.

Pending new information, I'll take the under at this point.

If you're right, Goodell will get crucified. Again. But this time he won't have all the owners in his corner. Just Kraft.

I don't agree with any of this. I don't think anyone views air pressure as being in the same stratosphere as domestic violence. And I've seen zero evidence that the owners care about this at all.

 

[Niles Standish]

For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.

To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.

Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.

I'm surprised you feel this way, but many media members have similar ideas. What surprises me the most is a lack of outrage at the NFL in this case, and a willingness to throw Belicheck and Brady under the bus and call them both liars for denying wrongdoing in this case.

There are really 2 issues here:

1. A lack of facts. This is a BIG problem. We have not had the NFL come out and give us enough facts. Yet, the media, former players and everyone with an outlet is giving their opinion on a matter when they don't know the facts. The NFL isn't providing facts and thus we are all guessing on a number of important things.

2. Benefit of the doubt. The only thing we THINK we know is this: 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by 2 pounds at halftime. That's it. How did they get this way? No one has any proof. Who is the referee who did the inspection? Why isn't he being interviewed? What were the PSI of the balls 2 hours before the game? Were they manually inspected or not? Why does no one care about this, and everyone assumes that the head coach and quarterback, who are gameplanning to win an AFC championship game, were concerned with the PSI of the footballs?

The simplest answer is usually the best one. It's likely that Brady likes balls on the "deflated side", they deflate them how he likes them, and they submit them for inspection. It's likely that they were accepted without being measured and then lost a bit of pressure due to the cold. The Colts brought it to the attention of the officiating crew in the first half, possibly because they had wondered from a previous meeting and/or the Ravens and the officiating crew actually measured them and found they were under the limits. Then the balls were switched out, the game continued, and the Pats stomped the Colts.

This explanation is simple, doesn't require some grand scheme of deception by the entire organization, doesn't call for Brady and Belicheck to be bold-faced liars, doesn't involve the Patriots sneaking off with balls that Tom approved and letting out 2 pounds of air under the shadow of a tunnel, doesn't involve a scheme from Robert Kraft and Bill Belicheck to lessen the fumbles over a ten-year period, and doesn't involve a super diligent officiating crew that measures the PSI of every football and documents it.

I wish more media would call out the NFL here, instead of slam the Patriots.

I don't understand why you have this idea that the Patriots are off the hook if the NFL didn't test the balls or didn't test them properly before the game. It was the Patriots' responsibility to bring legal balls to the game. Heck, Brady himself was one of the guys that championed the rule allowing the teams to bring their own footballs, which I'm assuming came with the stipulation that those balls be legal.

Whether they were letting air out of the ball after inspection or under-inflating the balls ahead of time because they knew that the refs always skipped the inspections doesn't seem that relevant. It's like saying you don't deserve a ticket because usually when you speed in that spot, there isn't a cop there with a radar gun.

It's not the responsibility of the Patriots to inspect the balls before the game. It's the responsibility of the refs. If the refs didn't do their job than it's on them. When the balls were discovered to be too light, they were taken out of play. I honestly have no idea what you are implying here. Do you think as an organization, the Patriots should stop all preparation and make sure that the balls are up to regulation, just in case the refs don't do their job thoroughly?

It's the Patriots' responsibility to bring legal balls to the game. It's not their responsibility to enforce the rule, but it's their responsibility to follow the rule.

It's not the players responsibility to test for steroids before the game either. Does that make it OK to use them if they don't get tested that week? Of course not, because it's their responsibility to not use steroids in the first place. A drug test, just like the ball test, is merely the enforcement of the rule. The rule still exists whether that test happens or not.

I understand he didn't get caught. But Rodgers is just as wrong for doing the same thing right? (Assuming the Pats didn't do anything after submitting under inflated balls). So in your opinion his MVP is under scrutiny.

 

[rjv]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

I'm trying to give the Patriots the benefit of doubt, assuming they act like most ethical organizations would.

Oh, I didn't know the NCAA stood as the measuring stick for ethical organizations, my bad.

Did the Saints hire external investigators during Bountygate? Or any other team investigated for anything?

I'm not saying the Pats should hire an investigator (although they probably should have at least said at the press conference that they planned to look into it) - in fact why would they, the burden of proof is on the league - but I'm guessing the Saints knew exactly what was happening (that Williams was doing what he was being accused of) so what was there to investigate.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

If im robert kraft i call good ole rodge and let him know that any substantial penalty lacking non circumstantial evidence gets the nfl sued in federal court given the lagues blatent lack of institutional controls. The 800 lb gorilla is no one mentioning the obvious fact that qbs are the de facto control over psi in game and nobody #####ed about it until someone got their ### raped in the afc championship.

 

[Bossman]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

D'Qwell Jackson did not snitch. The initial report reads that he intercepted the pass and gave the ball to the Colts equipment manager....

probably to keep for him as a "this is the ball that I intercepted in the AFC championship game" thing.

The Colts equipment manager is the one who noticed the ball was slightly under-inflated and took it to the team higher ups.

Media screwed up this part of the story as well saying D'Qwell noticed under inflation. Just because the media prints it, doesn't meen they are right.

I don't think the media even screwed it up. That's exactly what they reported on ESPN the first day. That the equipment manager brought it up after the Jackson INT. It just got lost in translation through the forum that people started saying Jackson was the one that noticed. I don't think the media (at least not ESPN) ever even reported that. I remember watching the story break on ESPN and them specifically saying that it was the equipment manager that noticed.

There were multiple versions of questions today to Brady about why Jackson could notice the ball and not Tom. Think the hack Ron Borges was asking them pretty forcefully.

EXACTLY!

I've heard all week from various media sources that the Colts LB noticed the ball was flat and brought it to the attention of his equipment manager.

FALSE!

The hole ordeal stemmed not from a player ... or a coach .... it was the freaking equipment manager who was bent because his team was getting their #### handed to them.

The Colt players / coach didn't notice or care. They still don't care.

 

[rjv]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

 

[Bossman]

Another example of the media pumping this up....

Listening to Sirus Mad Dog radio last night..

Evening host (Steve Torr?) starts his program bashing BB on why he didn't have any knowledge of the ball issue until Monday morning.

He goes on to ask why BB didn't question the refs when they were removing balls from play...

"any other coach would have called the ref over and asked what was going on"....

IT WAS POURING RAIN you moron! Have you ever watched an NFL football game? When it rains balls get swapped out all game long!

Media wants us to tune in ... pump it up ... big ratings. Good work.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

Agreed. I actually believe Belichick -- it seems credible that he's not worried about the state of the game balls as long as his QB has no complaints. But Brady is obviously lying.

 

[devouredbychaos]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

You can't be that shallow and naive to base your allegations off of what Mortenson said. No one has legitimate proof of anything, yet you all are acting like it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

You're seriously asking why somebody might choose to lie about having cheated? That doesn't seem very hard to figure out.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

No one has legitimate proof of anything,

I keep seeing posts where people say this or something similar, and I'm not sure if I didn't just somehow miss something. Let me spell out what I understand to be the case -- tell me where I'm going wrong.

Prior to the game, the Colts footballs and Patriots footballs were inspected by the officials and were found to be correctly inflated. At halftime, the Colts balls were still correctly inflated, but the Patriots balls were all or nearly all a couple of PSI low. Somebody let some air out of the NE balls, and it isn't credible to think that that somebody did so on his own, without the starting QB's approval.

What part of this is wrong or in any serious doubt, and why?

 

[rjv]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

If it was so minuscule why were the balls messed with?? Rules are rules, NE broke the rules, and why are the Pats getting heat if it's common practice, because NE has lied in the past and have shown they are habitual offenders on breaking rules.

 

[rjv]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

You can't be that shallow and naive to base your allegations off of what Mortenson said. No one has legitimate proof of anything, yet you all are acting like it.

Who brought up Mortenson? I didn't. I'm basing it off of Bradys horrific attempt to dodge the issue.

 

[randall146]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

If it was so minuscule why were the balls messed with??

Maybe they weren't?

 

[rjv]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

If it was so minuscule why were the balls messed with??

Maybe they weren't?

OMG your saying they weren't messed with?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

If it was so minuscule why were the balls messed with?? Rules are rules, NE broke the rules, and why are the Pats getting heat if it's common practice, because NE has lied in the past and have shown they are habitual offenders on breaking rules.

sounds like someone got the shaft while messing with the balls

 

[randall146]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

If it was so minuscule why were the balls messed with??

Maybe they weren't?

OMG your saying they weren't messed with?

maybe

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

You can't be that shallow and naive to base your allegations off of what Mortenson said. No one has legitimate proof of anything, yet you all are acting like it.

Who brought up Mortenson? I didn't. I'm basing it off of Bradys horrific attempt to dodge the issue.

have you ever watched a patriots press conference before ? That was par for the course...the pats have always said as little as possible no matter what the subject...they arent going to defend themselves to the media ...this will all take place behind closed doors

 

[PatsWillWin]

No one has legitimate proof of anything,

I keep seeing posts where people say this or something similar, and I'm not sure if I didn't just somehow miss something. Let me spell out what I understand to be the case -- tell me where I'm going wrong.

Prior to the game, the Colts footballs and Patriots footballs were inspected by the officials and were found to be correctly inflated. At halftime, the Colts balls were still correctly inflated, but the Patriots balls were all or nearly all a couple of PSI low. Somebody let some air out of the NE balls, and it isn't credible to think that that somebody did so on his own, without the starting QB's approval.

What part of this is wrong or in any serious doubt, and why?

1) We don't know (because the league has not told us) the extent of the testing of the balls before the game. Some reports have said that the extent of the testing varies from refs to ref - some will squeeze the balls and shrug, others will test them with the gauge. Depending on this, it's possible the balls were deflated all along and that there was no "letting air out" of the balls between the pre-game inspection and the game time.

2) Most of this is now down to a report by Chris Mortenson. The D'Qwell Jackson "report" was wrong, so it's just basically one reporter giving us a lot of the information. Doesn't mean Mort is wrong, but he's all there is right now.

 

[Premier]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

Almost every former NFL player is killing the Patriots over this. I have no idea WTF you're watching.

 

[Old Smiley]

No one has legitimate proof of anything,

I keep seeing posts where people say this or something similar, and I'm not sure if I didn't just somehow miss something. Let me spell out what I understand to be the case -- tell me where I'm going wrong.

Prior to the game, the Colts footballs and Patriots footballs were inspected by the officials and were found to be correctly inflated. At halftime, the Colts balls were still correctly inflated, but the Patriots balls were all or nearly all a couple of PSI low. Somebody let some air out of the NE balls, and it isn't credible to think that that somebody did so on his own, without the starting QB's approval.

What part of this is wrong or in any serious doubt, and why?

The question is whether the pre-game inspection included an actual check with a pressure gauge, or just a eye test and a squeeze test. (Which I say there's nothing wrong with) Then, when the Colts complained, they actually were put on a meter, found to be a bit low and replaced. No wrong doing anywhere by anyone.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Again, I'll take the (way) under. Almost no chance Belichick gets suspended one minute for this.

 

[rjv]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

Almost every former NFL player is killing the Patriots over this. I have no idea WTF you're watching.

+1 former NFL QBs are blasting the Pats and think Brady is lying.

 

[((Morpheus))]

No one has legitimate proof of anything,

I keep seeing posts where people say this or something similar, and I'm not sure if I didn't just somehow miss something. Let me spell out what I understand to be the case -- tell me where I'm going wrong.

Prior to the game, the Colts footballs and Patriots footballs were inspected by the officials and were found to be correctly inflated. At halftime, the Colts balls were still correctly inflated, but the Patriots balls were all or nearly all a couple of PSI low. Somebody let some air out of the NE balls,...

What part of this is wrong or in any serious doubt, and why?

All of this, because we haven't heard it from a credible league source yet.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

Almost every former NFL player is killing the Patriots over this. I have no idea WTF you're watching.

ya ...tv analysts....pumping up the ratings by keeping the story alive ...also known as doing their jobs...from what i have seen and heard no currently playing NFL players care one bit about this ...including the colts

 

[Old Smiley]

I heard Joe Theisman on Sedano and Stink say that he went to the Redskins' facility and had the trainer fill two ball to twelve and ten pounds psi and that he couldn't feel any difference just handling them. He said you had to really force your thumbs in at the seems to sense a difference.

Edit: it was actually one ball to 13 pounds and one to 11

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

Reminder - Goodell dropped the bountygate suspensions.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I can't get over Brady's speech. This guy is lying through his teeth. Your telling me the equipment manager took it upon himself to deflate the balls??? Your telling me that Tom is taking it on good faith that the equipment manager is going to have the footballs the way he likes them WITHOUT Tom's input?? C'mon Pats fans, you can't be this shallow and naive.

Woman: "How do you write women so well?" Melvin: "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

That's Roger Goodell.

I think it's pretty funny that Brady is now out front and center on this, and you know what it doesn't matter who's responsible or who did what or if anything happened or if it's the refs or the equipment manager or someone in gambling, it doesn't matter to Goodell. The NFL could investigate this thing for 6 months and Goodell wouldn't read the file. He will wake up throw some blades of grass in the wind, sniff the air and make a call and most of it will depend on how he just thinks it reflects on him. Before Goodell was embarrassed, now he will have to think about whether to punish the golden boy Brady one of their tv stars or does he cover for him, or throw it on BB or make it go away. Who knows, go throw a dart, Goodell is not following any rule or reason here, he doesn't know football psi from the movie Psi.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I could hear the passion in Brady's voice when asked about what he said to his teammates.

I think this whole thing blows up in the faces of crybaby Harbaugh and the Colts. Their intention was to tattletale on the big bully who beat them up, however, NE uses this and is all in on an "Us against the World" mission. Nice job, Harbawawawawa.

 

[rjv]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate and bountygate was not part of any competitive edge. There is no way BB and the Pats don't get the same or worse.

Besides Goodell stated that "ignorance is no excuse" so don't be shocked if Roger comes down hard on NE.

Payton flat out lied to Goodell, and there was legitimate proof. That's why he got suspended. Why would BB and Brady lie over something so miniscule? Why would they lie over "2 psis of air"? Nothing will happen to Brady or Belichick other than maybe a $25,000 fine. There's NO proof they did anything, and it's only the idiotic media and bitter fans like yourself that think they did something wrong. None of the coaches or players in the NFL think they did anything wrong, because it's common practice.

Reminder - Goodell dropped the bountygate suspensions.

not Payton

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Sean Payton got suspended for not knowing about bountygate

Do you really think Sean Payton had no idea what his defensive coordinator was doing?

Here I can honestly believe that Belichick could give two ####s about game balls since there's so many other things he has to deal with on game days (and lets face it, maybe it gives them a small advantage, but how much of a difference could it really make?) - but I'm sure he would be attending offensive and defensive meetings with his coordinators.

I do think Brady is likely being a little less than honest, but I actually believe Bill here. If he was to get in trouble it would be more for fostering an atmosphere where this was acceptable.

Although I said I doubt the balls make a huge difference, in the ultimate outcome of the games, I do think all teams should be following the rules that are in place.

 

[Anarchy99]

How many players faced serious injury from the ball being under inflated? How many players faced serious from Bountygate?

 

[Old Smiley]

And I do think a lot of this is/was gamesmanship by Indy. Making the Pats swap out the balls, maybe get in Brady's head a little...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How many players faced serious injury from the ball being under inflated? How many players faced serious from Bountygate?

Bountygate was a far worse "scandal". Discussing this is more for the fun of it in my eyes. I don't care what penalties are ultimately doled out. I'm guessing they won't be terribly harsh, and that's fine. I do enjoy seeing the Pats get dragged through the mud again as a "salty hater" though.

I think Spygate was much worse of an infraction - not interested in hearing their fans defend how they didn't do anything wrong there though (so its' the only time I'll bring it up again) - but even with that I've always said why should Pat fans care, they got to live through and enjoy all of their Super Bowl wins. Nothing really takes that away, even if this was like college and they were "stripped" of those championships (and I'm not implying they should be at all), why should the fans ultimately care - they had their fun?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

All im saying is, its totally reasonable to attribute all the Patriots success in the last decade plus to 2psi of underinflated balls that no-one has noticed or checked until now.

Btw if you believe the above, that is why you are a loser.

I attribute their success to a great coach and Q.B., a pathetic Division, a weak Conference, some notoriously favorable calls early in their run and their systematic and ongoing cheating, only some of which has been caught.

 

[Road Warriors]

i think it's cute that some of you think your favorite teams don't cheat.

God, I wish the Browns cheated ####### harder so we could win some games!

Seriously though, I am amazed that so many people are making a big deal out of this.

The Browns confirm the league is investigating whether a member of the team's personnel department texted the sideline during games.
A "high-ranking" personnel man allegedly texted the sideline complaining about play calls. "Obviously I'm aware of it," coach Mike Pettine said Thursday. "I do know that's an ongoing league investigation." The use of "any electronic communication devices" on the sidelines or in the coaches' booth is strictly prohibited

Isn't this the rule that was broken under spygate? I assume we'll see a number of the same posters here calling for fines and loss of draft picks for the Browns, right? Rules are rules, after all.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

i think it's cute that some of you think your favorite teams don't cheat.

God, I wish the Browns cheated ####### harder so we could win some games!

Seriously though, I am amazed that so many people are making a big deal out of this.

The Browns confirm the league is investigating whether a member of the team's personnel department texted the sideline during games.A "high-ranking" personnel man allegedly texted the sideline complaining about play calls. "Obviously I'm aware of it," coach Mike Pettine said Thursday. "I do know that's an ongoing league investigation." The use of "any electronic communication devices" on the sidelines or in the coaches' booth is strictly prohibited

Isn't this the rule that was broken under spygate? I assume we'll see a number of the same posters here calling for fines and loss of draft picks for the Browns, right? Rules are rules, after all.

Taking early draft picks from Cleveland would be doing them a favor.

 

[Old Smiley]

How many players faced serious injury from the ball being under inflated? How many players faced serious from Bountygate?

Bountygate was a far worse "scandal". Discussing this is more for the fun of it in my eyes. I don't care what penalties are ultimately doled out. I'm guessing they won't be terribly harsh, and that's fine. I do enjoy seeing the Pats get dragged through the mud again as a "salty hater" though.

I think Spygate was much worse of an infraction - not interested in hearing their fans defend how they didn't do anything wrong there though (so its' the only time I'll bring it up again) - but even with that I've always said why should Pat fans care, they got to live through and enjoy all of their Super Bowl wins. Nothing really takes that away, even if this was like college and they were "stripped" of those championships (and I'm not implying they should be at all), why should the fans ultimately care - they had their fun?

I thought the only thing that really crossed a line was Williams saying to "Test that interior ACL" or whatever it was. That was pretty low. ####ing with a guys livelihood.

The rest of it. Like the pools and that... that's just guys knowing it can happen to anyone at anytime and kind of whistling past the graveyard. (Coaches being involved in those pools took it too far as well.)

 

[Old Smiley]

Taking early draft picks from Cleveland would be doing them a favor.

SOMEBODY'S gonna do it!

 

[skinsrule05]

The pattern of cheating has been long established. Only a fool or fanatic could not see that.

I don't want to rehash this whole ridiculous thread, but what pattern are you talking about? A pattern would require at least 2 and generally 3 incidents. What "cheating" episodes are you referring to except Spygate (which was really rule-breaking more than cheating)?

What does that even mean? They broke the rules to gain an unfair advantage. To me that is the definition of cheating. How do you define it?

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

This post tells everyone in here how much they should value your educated opinions. My god, what a piece of work. Not a Colts fan, either.

Icon is a well known ----- around here. Ask him his opinion on depression for example. He's one of the worst on this site.