Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.

My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

 

[Run It Up]

I'm not hoping that its BB speaking and not Kraft, and that he will make the media wait ANOTHER 30 minutes or more.

 

[Bayhawks]

All of the balls were tested with a gauge before the game.

At halftime the Patriots' were found to be underinflated using a gauge. The Colts balls, however, were at the same pressure as at the start of the game.

All balls were reinflated to the same pressure at halftime.

At the end of the game all balls were still fully inflated.

I'm not Sherlock Holmes, just literate and able to add 2+2.

colts balls inflated outside - stay inflatedpats balls inflated inside - gradually lose pressure

backup balls reinflated outside to same pressure at halftime - stay inflated

Seems pretty straightforward really. warm air loses pressure as it cools. The colts knew they were going to test the balls, so they knew not to fall for the same trap.

Seems a lot less complicated than some imaginary scenario where patriots were on the sidelines manually deflating ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball aftee ball after ball after ball, and testing each to make sure they got down to exactly the same pressure, without any of the refs who were tipped off to check this at halftime noticing, or any of the fans, or any of the dozens of cameras.

The idea that someone manually deflated all of these balls is way more far fetched than the logical explanation that this was just regular air pressure loss. But you when you want to believe the worst about someone I'm sure you can convince yourself of plenty of crazy things.

I hate supporting such an obvious Homer, but this is bang on. I mean are there people out there who really think the Pats did/would put themselves that much at risk to sneak the balls away and deflate all 11 exactly the same amount by sticking a pin in them? THere's SUCH a low chance of this, but this seems to be what most of the people calling them cheaters are suggesting.

Except, normally refs don't stay on the field during halftime. Instead of assuming they stayed outside to re-inspect the balls (because I'm sure they just happened to have a PSI gauge in their pocket), the more likely assumption is that they went inside, received instructions to re-inspect the balls, did so, found them illegal, and replaced them. Then, miraculously, the balls NE used in the 2nd half didn't change pressure due to the weather (which wouldn't have scientifically been possible, anyway).

 

[Deamon]

I've been staring at that backdrop so long. All I want to do is shave my face with coffee.

 

[biju]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.

My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

 

[General Tso]

Going to announce they submitted balls under the spec pre-game. My prediction.

 

[The General]

Do they have the #Balltrack Gillette thing in the backdrop like they did during Brady's presser? Thought that was pretty funny.

 

[Deamon]

All of the balls were tested with a gauge before the game.

At halftime the Patriots' were found to be underinflated using a gauge. The Colts balls, however, were at the same pressure as at the start of the game.

All balls were reinflated to the same pressure at halftime.

At the end of the game all balls were still fully inflated.

I'm not Sherlock Holmes, just literate and able to add 2+2.

colts balls inflated outside - stay inflatedpats balls inflated inside - gradually lose pressure

backup balls reinflated outside to same pressure at halftime - stay inflated

Seems pretty straightforward really. warm air loses pressure as it cools. The colts knew they were going to test the balls, so they knew not to fall for the same trap.

Seems a lot less complicated than some imaginary scenario where patriots were on the sidelines manually deflating ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball after ball aftee ball after ball after ball, and testing each to make sure they got down to exactly the same pressure, without any of the refs who were tipped off to check this at halftime noticing, or any of the fans, or any of the dozens of cameras.

The idea that someone manually deflated all of these balls is way more far fetched than the logical explanation that this was just regular air pressure loss. But you when you want to believe the worst about someone I'm sure you can convince yourself of plenty of crazy things.

I hate supporting such an obvious Homer, but this is bang on. I mean are there people out there who really think the Pats did/would put themselves that much at risk to sneak the balls away and deflate all 11 exactly the same amount by sticking a pin in them? THere's SUCH a low chance of this, but this seems to be what most of the people calling them cheaters are suggesting.

Except, normally refs don't stay on the field during halftime. Instead of assuming they stayed outside to re-inspect the balls (because I'm sure they just happened to have a PSI gauge in their pocket), the more likely assumption is that they went inside, received instructions to re-inspect the balls, did so, found them illegal, and replaced them. Then, miraculously, the balls NE used in the 2nd half didn't change pressure due to the weather (which wouldn't have scientifically been possible, anyway).

But after the initial psi check, the balls must stay with the officials until they bring them out to the field. So are you suggesting it was the refs themselves who deflated them during the 2 hours where the balls were to stay with them?

 

[Deamon]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.

My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

So the refs did it then? Don't the balls have to stay with the officials from inspection to being brought out to play?

 

[The General]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

So the refs did it then? Don't the balls have to stay with the officials from inspection to being brought out to play?

No.

 

[Deamon]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

So the refs did it then? Don't the balls have to stay with the officials from inspection to being brought out to play?

No.

No?

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."

 

[Run It Up]

Fingers crossed, Kraft walks out in a tuxedo t-shirt.

Announces they've resigned Revis, Mccourty and Mayo.

Finishes with, Our balls were properly fellated, hashtag yolo. Then cartwheels off the stage.

 

[The General]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

So the refs did it then? Don't the balls have to stay with the officials from inspection to being brought out to play?

No.

No?"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."

My bad. Read your post as they stay with refs the entire time after they do their testing thing.

 

[Morton Muffley]

50/50 atm that Kraft is gonna come out and either settle it for or against the Pats, the other 50% being he says literally nothing.

1% he commits honorable seppuku

1% he announces they have sided with ISIS

Lol

Maybe belichick is gonna expound for 45 minutes on the evolution of the forward pass

Or maybe Kraft is gonna announce that all charges against Hernandez have been dropped and that he will be suiting up for the SB!

 

[Deamon]

Do any of the people saying they cheated, have an alternate/more reasonable explanation that would support their claim besides "after the check they stuck a needle and gauge in the balls and deflated them all to an exact illegal level hoping no one would ever find out/see/catch wind of this"? I'm just curious what all those wanting the Pats roasted actually, objectively thought happened, and if they thought this happened consistently over the last X years.

Are you claiming you are on the side of Occam's Razor? The one where the team accidentally fills 12 balls with hot air in a hot room, accidentally maintains that heat in the ball before and during the inspection, and then the cold air deflates it by 2 PSI? Oh, and adding in that based on Ravens' accusations of previous situations, this has happened multiple times exactly on game day and during the game?

That's not what I asked. I'm impartial and don't know what happened, but find the scenario of the pats ordering someone to stick a needle and gauge in each ball fairly unlikely. Especially since the balls by nfl rule, stay with the officials from the psi check to the gametime.My question was what you think likely happened exactly?

Likely? The Pats ordered someone to stick a needle in the ball to deflate it after it was inspected. Yeah, that seems to be the easiest way to get there.

So the refs did it then? Don't the balls have to stay with the officials from inspection to being brought out to play?

No.

No?"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."

My bad. Read your post as they stay with refs the entire time after they do their testing thing.

That is how I meant it. I'm not saying it's one way or another, but doesn't that rule suggest that the balls after inspection, are kept under the referees supervision until just prior to the start of the game?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Belichick is taking the stage

 

[Deamon]

oh snap!

 

[Run It Up]

Oh #### its Belichick

 

[Deamon]

He's about to resign!

 

[The General]

Can't listen what's up?

 

[Run It Up]

Belichick:

"I believe we, as an organization have followed the rule 100% to the letter"

 

[Bucky86]

What's happening?!?!

 

[Capella]

Just more damage control. Stand down.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I've handled dozens of balls over the past week.

 

[Bucky86]

So nothing new?

 

[Run It Up]

Holy ####, he just said their gameday prep of balls elevates the psi of the ball by 1lb

Said they were delivered to the refs and told them to inflate them to 12.5

This is all new info.

 

[Capella]

So nothing new?

We did a study, I handled some balls etc etc

 

[Deamon]

Holy ####, he just said their gameday prep of balls elevates the psi of the ball by 1lb

Said they were delivered to the refs and told them to inflate them to 12.5

This is all new info.

Holllllyyyyyyy ####

 

[Bucky86]

Throwing the officials under the bus? This isn't going to end well

 

[The General]

Just more damage control. Stand down.

Can't believe you paused Moonraker for this

 

[Deamon]

They sent the balls to the refs, told the refs to inflate them to 12.5 PSI.

 

[Capella]

I was told there would be no math

 

[SacramentoBob]

So it's the way they rubbed the balls, according to Bellichick.

 

[Capella]

Just more damage control. Stand down.

Can't believe you paused Moonraker for this

This presser is way less believable.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So many double entendres here. Internet might explode. "We have no way of touching them until we play with them"

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

This press conference needs a Beavis and Butthead laughtrack

 

[SacramentoBob]

Specifically saying they didn't inflate the balls with hot air. There goes that defense.

 

[Deamon]

Specifically saying they didn't inflate the balls with hot air. There goes that defense.

Yep.

 

[cj*]

I've handled dozens of balls over the past week.

This is what I got out of this whole thing.

 

[Bucky86]

I think Belichek mustve been reading this board.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

The main thing I'm learning is that Belichick has trouble saying the word "multiple".

 

[General Tso]

Lots of people gonna be eatin a lot of crow in here.

 

[Deamon]

New theory from anti-pats fans: They 'beat up the balls" on purpose so much that it would raise the psi by 1, and when refs were told to inflate them to 12.5, they did so but they knew it would drop by 1 after the ball reached its equilibrium. Clearly cheating.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Lots of people gonna be eatin a lot of crow in here.

Yeah, not sure what defense Pats fans can cling to at this point.

 

[Deamon]

Lots of people gonna be eatin a lot of crow in here.

They'll find a way to spin this. Don't get too excited yet.

 

[Deamon]

Lots of people gonna be eatin a lot of crow in here.

Yeah, not sure what defense Pats fans can cling to at this point.

comon man.

 

[Run It Up]

So interesting things so far:
-Balls were not tested during the game
-The balls netted a loss of 1.5
-The refs were instructed to inflate them to 12.5

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Can someone comment on that or interpret the ramifications? I didn't watch but based on what you guys are reporting this seems like an unbelievably risky gambit by the Pats

 

[devouredbychaos]

I <3 Belichick

 

[Workhorse]

Belichick goes all in.

Goodell looks at his 7-2 offsuit.

Folds.