Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[Devine Intervention]

Then you're clearly missing the point. I'm saying the colts balls would have been deflated.

I repeat. The colts balls should and most likely will have been deflated to some extent. But if you are writing this off as the balls reactio to the weather then the psi decrease would be the same for both. Maybe colts balls stayed above the limit still.

But I would think if they both deflated evenly, not defying the laws, then the league would clearly see that both teams balls were equally affected by the weather and this investigation would have ended a week ago.

I would assume that the patriots balls psi decreased at a larger percent which raised the eyebrows of the nfl that they should look into what caused this extra psi to be missing.

Maybe it is the way they doctored them. Maybe it was loose threads. Point being I can use scientific evidence to prove a million different scenarios that could possibly be the cause. But we don't know what the procedure was so until we know what the process the team and officials went through that day then all this science is a waste. It's as useful as me finding the statistics of having 11 leaky balls. Is there a percent chance that this is plausible? Sure. But until we know what the process was we are making up imaginary scenarios and using science to prove our imaginary scenarios could possibly be true.

Pat haters are doing the same. Doing tests on how to deflate 11 balls with tools we make up in our imagination just because a guy went to the bathroom.

 

[mbuehner]

The sad part is he thinks hes doing well.

 

[amnesiac]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

I mentioned before - I could easily make a device that could deflate a football down to a fixed pressure. It would cost less than $20, and would take about as much time to do as shown in the video.Here's how: simply attach this to this.

and if he had several of these devices, it would take no time at all!i like to picture the ball boy wearing a special Freddy Kruger glove with deflation devices on the fingers instead of knives.

 

[The Kerminator]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?

What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

 

[T J]

The sad part is he thinks hes doing well.

No. The sad part is you're not listening. He's right. You don't think they would have tested the Colts' balls also? If there was a scientific reason it would have been obvious by the fact that both team's footballs were affected. And none of this would be an issue.

I know there are a bunch of you bag-hangers that can't fathom that NE may have done this. But the common sense of what he was saying is undeniable.

 

[12punch]

The sad part is he thinks hes doing well.

Well, ThE SaltY Trolls Have Earned 100 Pages Of ridicule So that's A Career Achievement For Some Of These guys

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Someone should alert the NFL about the Ideal Gas Law. They seem to have missed it.

 

[12punch]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

What Loss Of Psi In Away Games?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?

What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

why do i get the feeling that even if the NFL came out today and said''We have discovered beyond any doubt that the balls were deflated due to the weather and this issue is closed '' that people would STILL be arguing for days and weeks later?

 

[The Kerminator]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

What Loss Of Psi In Away Games?

I don't know. The person I was responding too was asking how do you explain that. Others have asked as well.

 

[Godsbrother]

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

The question in deflategate is not whether or not the Patriots had an unfair competitive advantage. It is whether or not the balls were intentionally deflated after inspection and if so who did it and who was aware of it.

If it turns out that weather was the cause then there is no controversy.

 

[The Kerminator]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?

What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

why do i get the feeling that even if the NFL came out today and said''We have discovered beyond any doubt that the balls were deflated due to the weather and this issue is closed '' that people would STILL be arguing for days and weeks later?

I'd accept the NFL's decision and move on. But I'm not a salty hater

 

[moleculo]

http://www.hawkridgesys.com/blog/simulationdeflate-gate-2015-tom-bradys-case-solidworks-flow-simulation/

Posted last page, no one cares about science.

I care about science. But, in this case, it's a clear matter of GIGO. The author goes into detail regarding the warming from the rubbing process, which is totally believable, but he assumes the balls are pressure-checked immediately afterwards.That simply doesn't stand to reason. There is no way the Patriots complete the process of rubbing 24 balls immediately before turning them over to the refs for inspection. Why would you wait until the literal last minute to prepare the balls for the biggest game of the season?

I agree completely with the conclusions up until the "But wait, there’s more" line. Had they quit when they said that they can account for a 1.05 PSI pressure loss, I am good. When they go into detail about how the balls were actually warmer when initially checked - they are abandoning logic.

Molecule, you've shown yourself to be fairly reasonable about this topic, but you've asked this question several times now and I have answered it at least twice for you. So why do you keep ignoring my and BB's contention that it is quite likely that the patriots pressure tested the balls at the higher equilibrium state and thus turned in football that were unintentionally below spec because they had returned to room temp by the time they were turned in for pre game inspection.

Why is that possibility so difficult to grasp?

becasue I think it's highly unlikely that the balls were rubbed down and delivered to the refs immediately. Sure, it's a remote possibility, but it simply doesn't make logical sense that this would happen.

In this post, the moops shows that a football returns to ambient temp after just 15 minutes. For the scuffing-caused-heating theory to be hold, all 12 patriot balls must be delivered, pressure-checked, and inflated within 15 minutes of scuffing. Logistically, I'm not sure it's possible, but logically, I have high doubts they would wait until the last minute.

To further my point, didn't Brady say something of the effect of "choose the game balls"? That would say to me that at the very least, he inspects the balls. I'm quite sure that 2+ hours before the game, he would be dressing, stretching, warming up, etc... inspecting game balls probably isn't what he wants to be doing at that point.

I think it's much more likely that this is all done a day or two in advance.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box.
Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

 

[T J]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?

What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

why do i get the feeling that even if the NFL came out today and said''We have discovered beyond any doubt that the balls were deflated due to the weather and this issue is closed '' that people would STILL be arguing for days and weeks later?

The sad part is he thinks hes doing well.

Well, ThE SaltY Trolls Have Earned 100 Pages Of ridicule So that's A Career Achievement For Some Of These guys

If you only knew who was actually being ridiculed.

 

[12punch]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

What Loss Of Psi In Away Games?

I don't know. The person I was responding too was asking how do you explain that. Others have asked as well.

Ok, Let Me Know What It Was And i'll Explain it

 

[Todem]

Snow plow game......could you imagine in this day and age of Twitter and Facebook what would have happened? A con on work furlow clears the field for a New England kicker to beat Shula and the Dolphins.

LOL!

It was talked about in local circles here for a few years and then forgotten. And when we look back on it.....that was the purest form of cheating I think I had ever seen and one of the greatest examples of home town calls when the referees allowed it for one team and not the other.

Deflategate....bewahhhhahhhaa. What a joke.

 

[GoBirds]

NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said: The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:
Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box.
Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I guess with the main difference being back then both teams got the benefit of it.

Just curious, how far back was this rule in place does anyone know? Before this issue I had no idea of the specific range, how far back has it been 12.5 to 13.5 PSI?

 

[12punch]

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Most fans dont know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. Its rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teamsnot the Steelerswere finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teamswho were not the Steelersafter the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

If I Put These Clowns On Ignore It Kind Of Defeats The Purpose Of This board

 

[ROCKET]

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box.
Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I already started a thread on that and the Steelers fans said it was just sour grapes ( not the same because teams used the same balls ) . I have a good friend who is a huge Steelers fan and he told me I was lying until I showed him the facts. His jaw hit the floor and admitted he was shocked but said it wasn't the same because it was 40 years ago and no one ratted on them at the time. This is the kind of mentality we are facing here in this whole thing. Pats guilty, no one else is even though admitting to doing the exact same thing the Pats are accused of

It's amazing to me how I have not seen this brought up by media and how Bradshaw hasn't commented on this? Here we have a documented confession by a HOF qb of doctoring psi in balls after they were inspected by the refs and not a peep by anyone. It was illegal/cheating then and it is illegal/cheating now. Talk about sweeping it under the rug. As a Pats fan I know I won't be forgetting this any time soon. I'm sure Steelers fans have conveniently dismissed it and moved on.

 

[ROCKET]

NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said: The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I guess with the main difference being back then both teams got the benefit of it.

Just curious, how far back was this rule in place does anyone know? Before this issue I had no idea of the specific range, how far back has it been 12.5 to 13.5 PSI?

Both teams huh? What if one team didn't like the ball inflated like Bradshaw did? And the rule of not tampering with the psi in a ball AFTER the refs inspected it was very much in play back then. Feel free to come up with other excuses just the same though.

 

[GoBirds]

ROCKET, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

GoBirds, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said: The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I guess with the main difference being back then both teams got the benefit of it.

Just curious, how far back was this rule in place does anyone know? Before this issue I had no idea of the specific range, how far back has it been 12.5 to 13.5 PSI?

Both teams huh? What if one team didn't like the ball inflated like Bradshaw did? And the rule of not tampering with the psi in a ball AFTER the refs inspected it was very much in play back then. Feel free to come up with other excuses just the same though.

You are trying really hard to spin everything......both teams used the same ball, if they had a preference I assume they would pump it back up?

So you are clinging to a story from 40 years ago? Your excuses are pretty sad.

 

[ROCKET]

ROCKET, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

GoBirds, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said: The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I guess with the main difference being back then both teams got the benefit of it.

Just curious, how far back was this rule in place does anyone know? Before this issue I had no idea of the specific range, how far back has it been 12.5 to 13.5 PSI?

Both teams huh? What if one team didn't like the ball inflated like Bradshaw did? And the rule of not tampering with the psi in a ball AFTER the refs inspected it was very much in play back then. Feel free to come up with other excuses just the same though.

You are trying really hard to spin everything......both teams used the same ball, if they had a preference I assume they would pump it back up?

So you are clinging to a story from 40 years ago? Your excuses are pretty sad.

 

[ROCKET]

This just in, Lee Harvey Oswald didn't commit murder as it was over 40 years ago.

 

[GoBirds]

ROCKET, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

GoBirds, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:NE_REVIVAL, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:Godsbrother, on 29 Jan 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:12punch, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

Ummm, not quite true if you believe Terry Bradshaw, the steelers were not just cheating with steroids.

Here's an excerpt I thought I would share from Terry Bradshaw's book titled It's Only A Game. The quote can be found on pages 67-68. A preview of the book can be found here http://books.google.com/books?id=wuWJhkUqRKEC&lpg=PA58&vq=doctor&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=doctor&f=true

Godsbrother, on 28 Jan 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

Most fans don’t know it, but before the game we would doctor the footballs that would be used. Until the season of 2000 it was up to the home team to provide twenty-four game balls to the officials for each game. A brand-new NFL football straight from the factory is not easy to throw or catch. It’s rock hard and very slippery. So in the privacy of the locker room before the game, players would take the footballs and rub them and scrub them to remove the glaze, or deflate them, then pump them up with air real big to stretch the leather. On some teams the kickers would put them through a cycle in the dryer. Some teams did this, but naturally not the Steelers, because we were righteous folk who would never stretch the rules, and when these other teams—not the Steelers—were finished, they would put them back in the plastic wrapping and right back in the box. Some teams—who were not the Steelers—after the officials had checked and approved the game balls, would let out a couple of pound of air to make it easier for the quarterback to grip it. A little less air would make the ball spongier. It was what might be called a perceived advantage-both teams played with the same ball.

So actually the Bradshaw bragged about doing exactly what NE has been accused of. So we know the steelers did it, I still believe it will be proved that NE did not do it.

PS, Pat fans, stop feeding DI and put him on ignore.

Carry on.

I guess with the main difference being back then both teams got the benefit of it.Just curious, how far back was this rule in place does anyone know? Before this issue I had no idea of the specific range, how far back has it been 12.5 to 13.5 PSI?

Both teams huh? What if one team didn't like the ball inflated like Bradshaw did? And the rule of not tampering with the psi in a ball AFTER the refs inspected it was very much in play back then. Feel free to come up with other excuses just the same though.

You are trying really hard to spin everything......both teams used the same ball, if they had a preference I assume they would pump it back up?So you are clinging to a story from 40 years ago? Your excuses are pretty sad.

So that's your excuse today?

It's not apples to apples as they both used the same ball, is that wrong? So you know opposing QBs preferences in the 70s all the sudden?

Another factor to see if it's apples to apples is when the 12.5 to 13.5 range was in stated as a rule. Don't make excuses, answer the question.

 

[GoBirds]

This just in, Lee Harvey Oswald didn't commit murder as it was over 40 years ago.

Just asking you to show the rule back then was 12.5 to 13.5, man up captain smiley face.

 

[12punch]

Gobirds Sounds Like A Holocaust Denier

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

This thread isn't as fun as it was a few days ago...

 

[GoBirds]

Gobirds Sounds Like A Holocaust Denier

Just asking you to show the rule was same. As much time as you spend in here you have time to look it up.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Gobirds Sounds Like A Holocaust Denier

Just asking you to show the rule was same. As much time as you spend in here you have time to look it up.

If the letter of the rule is all that matters, the Patriots did nothing wrong. There's no rule forbidding deflation of footballs post inspection. If they passed inspection, the rules were followed.

 

[Anarchy99]

Been an interesting post season for the Pats . . .

Accused of using illegal formations and substitutions (since announced by the league as 100% legal)

Accused of intentionally deflating footballs with death knell implications for Brady and BB (case still open but no proof or evidience yet presented)

Somehow accused of cheating by some cherry picked fumbling statistics (since debunked by multiple statisticians)

Apparently now being called out by the media for tampering in re-signing Blount (even though PIT cut him and he passed through waivers and 30 other teams could have signed him).

Might as well just call it Hategate.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Been an interesting post season for the Pats . . .

Accused of using illegal formations and substitutions (since announced by the league as 100% legal)

Accused of intentionally deflating footballs with death knell implications for Brady and BB (case still open but no proof or evidience yet presented)

Somehow accused of cheating by some cherry picked fumbling statistics (since debunked by multiple statisticians)

Apparently now being called out by the media for tampering in re-signing Blount (even though PIT cut him and he passed through waivers and 30 other teams could have signed him).

Might as well just call it Hategate.

Have to admit that they are all ridiculous, outside of "deflategate" - and then only if they literally acted to deflate the balls in anyway after the initial inspection took place. If they merely presented footballs under the limit or if it was a natural weather related condition, it's no big deal.

In fairness the fumbling article (which is silly) did stem from "deflategate" so it really shouldn't be a separate bullet point and the Blount thing isn't really gaining much traction - and it shouldn't.

 

[Road Warriors]

Seems like this thread is slowing down.

Is it possible to deflate 11 footballs in 90 seconds spent in a bathroom?

http://nydn.us/1uyQfWA

Of course it is possible to deflate some balls to an in exact pressure in 90 seconds but given how erratic he was do you really think every one of those balls was exactly eleven?

What if I could prove that those eleven balls ranged from 9 to 13psi...because in his haste he deflated one ball twice and another not all...great experiment. And why does the clock stop and start when he done with the balls rather than exiting? And why would he be hurrying? And since temp will reduce them one psi (fact) he needs to be quicker getting that needle in and out...did you see him struggle. And if the patriot ball boy is so adept at this from years of practice what does he do for away games when the opponent's ball boy brings them to the field? Shall I go on and on and on?

No, I don't believe the balls in the video were deflated exactly to 11 psi. But do we know that the Patriots balls during the Colts game were all exactly deflated the same amount? Is that your claim? If that's so, and it' seems to be widely accepted among Pats fans that the loss in pressure was due to colder air, the expansion of the leather from becoming wet, and the scrubbing process, how wet each ball become due to the rain would vary so wouldn't the loss of psi vary then? And if Pats fans claim that the loss of psi is due to the 50 degree weather, how do you account for loss of psi in away games? Or was it 50 degrees in every away game they played? Did the psi decrease in warm weather games as well? Then how how do you account for that?

It's pretty easy to poke holes in any theory considering we don't know all the facts yet. The "salty Pats haters" are going to assume the facts that support their theory. And the Pats lovers are going to assume the facts that are going to support their theory. At this point, nobody here knows. But it's ridiculous for the Pats fans to come in here and declare the investigation is over because BB said so on Saturday.

why do i get the feeling that even if the NFL came out today and said''We have discovered beyond any doubt that the balls were deflated due to the weather and this issue is closed '' that people would STILL be arguing for days and weeks later?

The sad part is he thinks hes doing well.

Well, ThE SaltY Trolls Have Earned 100 Pages Of ridicule So that's A Career Achievement For Some Of These guys

If you only knew who was actually being ridiculed.

the "I'm rubber and your glue" argument? Nicely played.

 

[Tenacious]

That's the real story here, not this nonsense about deflated balls, but rather the desperate insistence on labeling the Patriots as cheaters even though there has never been evidence to support that in the Belichek era... including "spy gate".

This story is about fan hatred, and the length that the haters will get to, to deceive others or suspend their own disbelief. That's the real story here.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Been an interesting post season for the Pats . . .

Accused of using illegal formations and substitutions (since announced by the league as 100% legal)

Accused of intentionally deflating footballs with death knell implications for Brady and BB (case still open but no proof or evidience yet presented)

Somehow accused of cheating by some cherry picked fumbling statistics (since debunked by multiple statisticians)

Apparently now being called out by the media for tampering in re-signing Blount (even though PIT cut him and he passed through waivers and 30 other teams could have signed him).

Might as well just call it Hategate.

once a cheater always a cheater

 

[Tenacious]

#hategate

 

[stbugs]

The difference was that PEDS were neither illegal nor banned by the NFL in the 70s and had been in use by others n the league since the early 60s

yeah, you guys were lining up and beating everybody like men -- those juicers weren't any kind of unfair competitive advantage

people really just take that stuff to be edgy

I can't figure out how the pats manage without that stuff --- oh yeah, that pound of air

The point is they weren't breaking any rules and they weren't the only team using them.

The question in deflategate is not whether or not the Patriots had an unfair competitive advantage. It is whether or not the balls were intentionally deflated after inspection and if so who did it and who was aware of it.

If it turns out that weather was the cause then there is no controversy.

Wow, I have seen all kinds of goofy posts in here and I am not a Pats fan. So, because it wasn't illegal yet, it was OK that the Steelers got a huge advantage over other teams?

There is a reason that these things were banned, but it doesn't make them OK because the NFL didn't have a rule yet. There is a rule against them now, but hey the Steelers were pioneers, but you are concerned about ball pressure when the Pats did better in the second half with supposedly re-inflated balls.

Also, technically speaking, is there an actual rule against deflation after the pre-game measurement? I don't know, but if it isn't specifically on the books, then there is nothing wrong and you should be backing the Pats just like you backed your "enhanced" Steelers.

Here's some tidbits from google and this is from a 2006 article, not even counting the recent deaths. It's pretty sad all of the deaths, but one would say that it is no longer a coincidence that a large portion of ex-NFL players deaths from the 70s are Steelers. IMHO, there is a lot more evidence that your beloved SB winners were pioneers in drug use, not using as you said, just like everyone else. The NFL has a rule that allows offenses to customize their own balls, hence each team having their own balls, which is why this discussion is silly. Putting an asterisk next to those old Steeler teams is a lot more of a reality than these Patriot teams.

Fresh off their first Super Bowl victory in 26 years, the Steelers have experienced the emotional gamut. The franchise has lost 18 former players -- age 35 to 58 -- since 2000, including seven in the last 16 months.

"There is no explanation," said Joe Gordon, a Steelers executive from 1969 to 1998. "We just shake our heads and ask why."

The numbers are startling. Of the NFL players from the 1970s and '80s who have died since 2000, more than one in five -- 16 of 77 -- were Steelers.

"It's just an anomaly that we can't explain," said John Stallworth, who starred at receiver for Steelers teams from 1974 to 1987. "From an emotional standpoint it just makes you sad and makes you feel like the time we spent together was even more precious."

Accidents led to some of the deaths, and at least one was a suicide. Others share hauntingly familiar details.

Seven died of heart failure: Jim Clack, 58; Ray Oldham, 54; Dave Brown, 52; Mike Webster, 50; Steve Furness, 49; Joe Gilliam, 49; and Tyrone McGriff, 41. (In 1996, four years before the steady succession of Steelers deaths, longtime center Ray Mansfield died of a heart attack at 55.)

There is speculation that steroid abuse could have played a role in some of the deaths, but no hard evidence. It's just as plausible that weight issues were a factor. Counting Mansfield, five of the eight heart-attack victims played on the offensive or defensive line.

 

[JIslander]

I guess BB should have just gave that $500k to a charity since there was no wrong doing.

 

[Run It Up]

The case against the ball security is somehow even dumber than the claims that they filmed the Rams walkthrough, like theres absolutely no proof but everyone believes it happened.

You could use the same statistics and call it "Why the Pats are so much better than the rest of the league" and the data would reflect it.

 

[Tenacious]

do some research before posting your ignorance. Filming the playcalling was legal, Spygate was about camera placement, not spying.

 

[Tenacious]

The case against the ball security is somehow even dumber than the claims that they filmed the Rams walkthrough, like theres absolutely no proof but everyone believes it happened.

You could use the same statistics and call it "Why the Pats are so much better than the rest of the league" and the data would reflect it.

Hard to convince the sheep, once the mainstream media has formed their opinions for them.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

What time is Goodell scheduled to speak tomorrow?

 

[TheAristocrat]

Stupidest so-called controversy in my lifetime.

 

[jonessed]

I guess BB should have just gave that $500k to a charity since there was no wrong doing.

You are just hating because you are a hater. BB paid that money to appease a hate-filled NFL. Goodell was lucky Kraft didn't sue him for a billion dollars or have him prosecuted for hate crimes. #Patriotlivesmatter

 

[Anarchy99]

TOP 5 BREAKING NEWS STORIES THAT MAY HIT IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS

5 - The Patriots enlisted Tom Brady's wife Gisele to enlist her supermodel friends to go on dates with prominent NFL players to recon team strategies and game plans for upcoming Patriots games.

4 - The Patriots had "ample motive and opportunity" to place listening devices in the soap of the opponent's showers in the visiting locker room in Foxboro.

3 - In a stunning development, an abandoned camp complex in Guatamala cannot be ruled out as a secret NFL referee training facility that may or may not have been funded by Robert Kraft with materials in Spanish that may or may not have instructed referees to give the Patriots every call in every game.

2 - Pseduonyms of former Patriots ball boys were found to be on the passenger manifests for airplines that mysteriously crashed and sank to the bottom of the ocean.

1 - It is determined that the Patriots locker room attendant did not wash his hands, prompting the media to find that the Patriots ball boys have a long history under BB of not washing their hands. By extension, the ball boys may have spread infectious diseases that could have resulted in fatalities, therefore BB should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

 

[espnespn]

Salty Haters are delusional and have hypocritical double-standards for the Patriots. For example:

1) No rule specifically banning PEDs in 70s? Perfectly fine if Steelers admit using PEDs. But no rule specifically banning deflation? Patriots are cheaters if they deflated

2) Accused of breaking some rule, but cleared by NFL? Perfectly fine if it happens to non-Patriots team. But if it happens to Patriots, that proves a "culture of cheating"

3) Steelers accused of cheating over 30 years ago. That news is too old, not relevant. But Patriots using snowplow over 30 years ago? That proves a "culture of cheating"

4) Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, if you are non-Patriots team. Guilty until proven innocent? Yup, only applies to Patriots

 

[parrot]

Salty Haters are delusional and have hypocritical double-standards for the Patriots. For example:

1) No rule specifically banning PEDs in 70s? Perfectly fine if Steelers admit using PEDs. But no rule specifically banning deflation? Patriots are cheaters if they deflated

2) Accused of breaking some rule, but cleared by NFL? Perfectly fine if it happens to non-Patriots team. But if it happens to Patriots, that proves a "culture of cheating"

3) Steelers accused of cheating over 30 years ago. That news is too old, not relevant. But Patriots using snowplow over 30 years ago? That proves a "culture of cheating"

4) Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, if you are non-Patriots team. Guilty until proven innocent? Yup, only applies to Patriots

I believe there is a rule. It's in the operations manual, not the rulebook. That's where the $25k fine talk came from.

 

[espnespn]

Salty Haters are delusional and have hypocritical double-standards for the Patriots. For example:

1) No rule specifically banning PEDs in 70s? Perfectly fine if Steelers admit using PEDs. But no rule specifically banning deflation? Patriots are cheaters if they deflated

2) Accused of breaking some rule, but cleared by NFL? Perfectly fine if it happens to non-Patriots team. But if it happens to Patriots, that proves a "culture of cheating"

3) Steelers accused of cheating over 30 years ago. That news is too old, not relevant. But Patriots using snowplow over 30 years ago? That proves a "culture of cheating"

4) Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, if you are non-Patriots team. Guilty until proven innocent? Yup, only applies to Patriots

I believe there is a rule. It's in the operations manual, not the rulebook. That's where the $25k fine talk came from.

Hmm, I think you are correct, in that that the operations manual says: "Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers, ball boys, and coaches, is allowed to alter the footballs in any way."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159490/faq-nfl-investigating-wheter-patriots-deflated-game-balls

But to continue the "strict letter of the rules" interpretation that some people use here to defend non-Patriots teams: if the Patriots ball boy deflated the balls in the the locker room bathroom, that is not breaking the rules because the balls have not yet left the locker room?

 

[Road Warriors]

Salty Haters are delusional and have hypocritical double-standards for the Patriots. For example:

1) No rule specifically banning PEDs in 70s? Perfectly fine if Steelers admit using PEDs. But no rule specifically banning deflation? Patriots are cheaters if they deflated

2) Accused of breaking some rule, but cleared by NFL? Perfectly fine if it happens to non-Patriots team. But if it happens to Patriots, that proves a "culture of cheating"

3) Steelers accused of cheating over 30 years ago. That news is too old, not relevant. But Patriots using snowplow over 30 years ago? That proves a "culture of cheating"

4) Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, if you are non-Patriots team. Guilty until proven innocent? Yup, only applies to Patriots

I believe there is a rule. It's in the operations manual, not the rulebook. That's where the $25k fine talk came from.

Hmm, I think you are correct, in that that the operations manual says: "Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers, ball boys, and coaches, is allowed to alter the footballs in any way."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159490/faq-nfl-investigating-wheter-patriots-deflated-game-balls

But to continue the "strict letter of the rules" interpretation that some people use here to defend non-Patriots teams: if the Patriots ball boy deflated the balls in the the locker room bathroom, that is not breaking the rules because the balls have not yet left the locker room?

you're not helping.

 

[Old Smiley]

http://www.hawkridgesys.com/blog/simulationdeflate-gate-2015-tom-bradys-case-solidworks-flow-simulation/

Posted last page, no one cares about science.

I care about science. But, in this case, it's a clear matter of GIGO. The author goes into detail regarding the warming from the rubbing process, which is totally believable, but he assumes the balls are pressure-checked immediately afterwards.That simply doesn't stand to reason. There is no way the Patriots complete the process of rubbing 24 balls immediately before turning them over to the refs for inspection. Why would you wait until the literal last minute to prepare the balls for the biggest game of the season?

I agree completely with the conclusions up until the "But wait, there’s more" line. Had they quit when they said that they can account for a 1.05 PSI pressure loss, I am good. When they go into detail about how the balls were actually warmer when initially checked - they are abandoning logic.

Molecule, you've shown yourself to be fairly reasonable about this topic, but you've asked this question several times now and I have answered it at least twice for you. So why do you keep ignoring my and BB's contention that it is quite likely that the patriots pressure tested the balls at the higher equilibrium state and thus turned in football that were unintentionally below spec because they had returned to room temp by the time they were turned in for pre game inspection.

Why is that possibility so difficult to grasp?

becasue I think it's highly unlikely that the balls were rubbed down and delivered to the refs immediately. Sure, it's a remote possibility, but it simply doesn't make logical sense that this would happen.

In this post, the moops shows that a football returns to ambient temp after just 15 minutes. For the scuffing-caused-heating theory to be hold, all 12 patriot balls must be delivered, pressure-checked, and inflated within 15 minutes of scuffing. Logistically, I'm not sure it's possible, but logically, I have high doubts they would wait until the last minute.

To further my point, didn't Brady say something of the effect of "choose the game balls"? That would say to me that at the very least, he inspects the balls. I'm quite sure that 2+ hours before the game, he would be dressing, stretching, warming up, etc... inspecting game balls probably isn't what he wants to be doing at that point.

I think it's much more likely that this is all done a day or two in advance.

Pats fan here. But, I gotta say:

That preparation process continues right up until the footballs are given to the officials prior to the game. That's when they are finalized, if I could use that word.