Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[IvanKaramazov]

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

You're mischaracterizing what the report says, and I think you probably know that since it's been covered a bunch of times in this thread. There's an outstanding reason why the report uses the "more likely than not" terminology. If you truly don't understand that, then you should refrain from comment until you can get up to speed with the rest of us.

 

[BroadwayG]

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

You're mischaracterizing what the report says, and I think you probably know that since it's been covered a bunch of times in this thread. There's an outstanding reason why the report uses the "more likely than not" terminology. If you truly don't understand that, then you should refrain from comment until you can get up to speed with the rest of us.

But they're not in court, so all the courtspeak doesn't matter.

 

[MG345]

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

You're mischaracterizing what the report says, and I think you probably know that since it's been covered a bunch of times in this thread. There's an outstanding reason why the report uses the "more likely than not" terminology. If you truly don't understand that, then you should refrain from comment until you can get up to speed with the rest of us.

But they're not in court, so all the courtspeak doesn't matter.

Funny how you use that argument both ways.

Anyway, this "courtspeak" is the terminology laid out in the NFL's constitution, that is why it is relevant.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

You're mischaracterizing what the report says, and I think you probably know that since it's been covered a bunch of times in this thread. There's an outstanding reason why the report uses the "more likely than not" terminology. If you truly don't understand that, then you should refrain from comment until you can get up to speed with the rest of us.

But they're not in court, so all the courtspeak doesn't matter.

Yeah, you definitely need to do your homework before commenting further.

 

[BroadwayG]

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

You're mischaracterizing what the report says, and I think you probably know that since it's been covered a bunch of times in this thread. There's an outstanding reason why the report uses the "more likely than not" terminology. If you truly don't understand that, then you should refrain from comment until you can get up to speed with the rest of us.

But they're not in court, so all the courtspeak doesn't matter.

Yeah, you definitely need to do your homework before commenting further.

That would make this thread useless.

 

[Bucky86]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm reading 6 to 8 games suspension for Brady is a real possibility.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

depends on the infraction...lf they were shaving points then throw the book at them...if they want a little less air hoping it would help,which it didnt,then its almost like whatever and kind of laughable actually...its a stupid infraction that gained them nothing and never would

 

[espnespn]

This is a joyous day. Patriots record this year and for the past few is forever tainted with a

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Patriots*

Such cheaters, so much homer butthurt in this thread after so much laughter in January.

Probable cheaters. The Wells Reports concludes it was probable, not for sure.

For the last time. Probable means like 85% chance they cheated. But there isn't 100% evidence. According to the NFLs rules, this ruling is enough to 'convict' and dish out punishment. Expect a Brady suspension in the near future.

Please provide a citation for your 85% claim. Or did you pull it out of thin air?

There he goes again... Blinding us with science... Thin air huh? I hate to needle you espnespn but how old are you?

I'm old enough to see the hypocrisy of Pittsburgh fans who deny that Roethlisberger is a rapist and happily cheer for him, yet are positive about Deflategate.

 

[Bucky86]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

depends on the infraction...lf they were shaving points then throw the book at them...if they want a little less air hoping it would help,which it didnt,then its almost like whatever and kind of laughable actually...its a stupid infraction that gained them nothing and never would

Then why risk anything by doing it in the first place?

 

[GroveDiesel]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

depends on the infraction...lf they were shaving points then throw the book at them...if they want a little less air hoping it would help,which it didnt,then its almost like whatever and kind of laughable actually...its a stupid infraction that gained them nothing and never would

Again, this is almost certainly false.

 

[rockaction]

Why are you wasting your time? He just said a dozen posts ago he doesn't care about the issue and just enjoys seeing people be upset. You are even still quoting it. Put him on ignore and move on.

The guy is from Boston, MA but isn't a Pats fan? It's like Run It Up's ten million neutral sports fans on reddit who really aren't 30 guys with hundreds of usernames from MIT and Harvard.

 

[The General]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

depends on the infraction...lf they were shaving points then throw the book at them...if they want a little less air hoping it would help,which it didnt,then its almost like whatever and kind of laughable actually...its a stupid infraction that gained them nothing and never would

Then why risk anything by doing it in the first place?

The guy has been asked this a few times and doesn't acknowledge it.

 

[mbuehner]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

Its football. Everybody on that field is roided out (well maybe not the kickers). Teams JUST THIS SEASON were caught warming balls, using illegal sideline communications, and pumping noise into the stadium. If this was Russell Wilson, no-one would give a ####.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

For those that think this is inconsequential, where do you draw the line? What level of an advantage is okay to you and what isn't? I just find it fascinating that fans of the game don't care at all.

depends on the infraction...lf they were shaving points then throw the book at them...if they want a little less air hoping it would help,which it didnt,then its almost like whatever and kind of laughable actually...its a stupid infraction that gained them nothing and never would

Then why risk anything by doing it in the first place?

The guy has been asked this a few times and doesn't acknowledge it.

i dont know why he would do it...dumb idea? Maybe he read it on some football forum how deflating the balls to the lowest possible allowed level then letting the cold air do the rest would help him grip the ball better? Only to find out its a sucky idea that only works in theory? Then figures out that he throws much better when the balls are at a proper level and throws 2 td`s to win the game

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm neither a Patriots fan nor am I a huge "Brady" guy--but if the evidence that was available (Brady refused to turn over his email and text records--so frankly--he forced the league to get their information from sources that were willing to provide any information they have) to the league shows that Brady was aware of what was going on and possibly even perpetuated it (by hooking the dude up with signed merchandise)--he should be suspended for an entire season. The fact that there is no way to "quantify" how much of an advantage a deflated ball might give somebody--doesn't make it any less wrong according to the rules. The same could be said about PED's in baseball as well. With that being said--Brady is the poster boy of the NFL, and Robert Kraft commands a lot of respect. I'd be shocked if he ended up missing any more than 4-6 games--and wouldn't be surprised if he missed 2 or fewer.

 

[SacramentoBob]

This is the biggest witch hunt since Salem, a complete waste of time because it's irrelevant. Rodgers likes his ball maxed out, Brady like his on the lowest end. Brady has said this.. Did Brady ever tell them to go below the legal limit? I haven't seen that anywhere… If the balls are at the bottom of the limit then they could slip below for various reasons. The fine for this terrible and unspeakable act is 25K, per NFL rules. Move on. The NFL is a joke onto itself in some ways. They bury their own best player and face of the NFL. Tom Brady is a man of integrity, always was and always will be, Haters will hate- because they are pathetic, small people.

Currently winning the contest.

 

[espnespn]

Clearly their cheating has no real effect on any games right Pats fans.....that's why they did it....just to break some rules for no reason. Love it.

I have said this many in times in many threads. I am fairly confident the Patriots straddle, skirt, bend, or break the rules in 100 different ways. They have been caught a few times. They do all of the things they do to get the slightest of advantages. Individually they probably don't mean much, but collectively they likely mean a lot.

Besides the issues they have been punished for, they have been accused of using locker room attendants to eavesdrop in opponent's locker rooms. Some coaches sweat the visiting locker room is bugged. We know they brought out a mini snow plow to clear the field in a blizzard to kick a game winning FG many years ago. They have been accused at intentionally under maintaining or switching turf. They have been accused of stealing radio communications, blocking radio communications, and intentionally supplying faulty radio equipment. I remember people suggesting the clock operator with starting or stopping the clock to their advantage. They have been accused of placing a jumbotron where only their team could see it to decide if they should challenge plays or not. BB has been accused of misreporting injuries or making a mockery of the injury report. We all know that people think he circumvented the rules with his eligible/ineligible receiver shell game from this year. I can't remember if it was NE or one of the other local teams that got accused of cranking up the heat in the opponent's locker room or not supplying hot water in the showers. BB has been questioned by other teams in not abiding by the injured reserve and waiver wire protocols. They have been accused of punching people in piles and hitting guys where it counts. They have been accused of video taping opponents' practices.

The possibilities are endless for what they could try to. Rest assured there are many other things they likely have tried or would try if they could get the opportunity to. Bottom line, they play to win . . . even if that means stretching or breaking the rules. And the takeaway is they don't care if they get caught. They will pay their fines or lose their draft picks, let the league amend the rules and outlaw things, and go about their business. And BB does not care one iota what the rest of the country thinks. Tom Brady is the guy that cheated with your hot girlfriend and wooed her away, and your only defense is calling him names while you are home alone.

Their credo is that they have won 4 titles in the past 14 years and have the best overall record in that time, and 31 other franchises are looking up at them. People will call for their heads and stiff penalties and call them cheaters. And they are right. They cheat. And they cheat all the time. But they are so good at it, they are probably laughing at all the other stuff they do and get away with that people don't know about. And if 98% of the country hates them, they are fine with that.

What gets me is that the rest of the league has not tried to do more to bend the rules (ok, break the rules) like NE does. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. We know a lot of teams and a lot of players have done some things to try to get an advantage (there are no 100% innocent teams out there). It's a bit like being charged with murder. Once you kill one person, why not a few more? New England is dirty as the day is long, and they don't play fair.

I am certainly not suggesting that what NE does is right and proper, because it clearly isn't. It is a terrible example to set and teach kids about fair play. They have very questionable integrity and are the definition of shady, but they are fine with that. They have sold their souls to win football games and they can live with that. People can climb the highest mountain and scream as loud as they can that they are immoral and should be taken to the woodshed and punished severely, but the fact remains the Pats have won 4 SBs and they don't have to give the trophies back.

Like one of the other threads that is out there asks, is winning the SB worth losing some draft picks and a few hundred thousand dollars in fines? That's an easy one to answer for New England.

There wasn't a time too long ago, when most of this was simply called "gamesmanship" (I seem to recall a story about Bill Walsh pulling similar stuff on Parcells?).

 

[davearm]

From my understanding, the commission is not prosecuting anyone, because they are not in court. The commission was hired to rule on whether the Patriots cheated, which they came to the conclusion that the did "more probable than not". The only thing left is Troy Vincent decides to do as punishment. If you have a verifiable source that proves different, I would love to see it, so as not to be misleading anyone.

If there is no punishment would you still consider them guilty?

This is the same type of talk that happened 100 pages ago. If the league decides to say something along the lines of "based on the report, we find that the actions taken by Brady, McNally, and Jastremski to be minor in nature and gave them no competitive advantage, therefore we are not assessing any punishment" that doesn't mean that they aren't guilty. That just means the NFL doesn't find the actions they are guilty of to be worth punishing. I highly doubt Troy Vincent or Goodell are going to come out and say "You know that company we hired to do all that testing, and the investigators we hired to figure all this stuff, taking 100 days to come to an informed conclusion? We don't believe them, the Patriots are innocent!"

Is that a Yes or a No?

If you read what I wrote, then it is obvious. They have ALREADY been deemed guilty. So regardless of what happens at this point, they are guilty going forward. The only mitigating thing would be if the NFL says the conclusion of the report was verifiable false. Take that however you will, for your loaded hypothetical question.

If the league hands down ANY form of punishment, will you consider them innocent?

No, of course not, because the league is who determines guilt.

So, you accept that the league's commissioned report that deems the Patriots guilty?

No, I accept the report deems the Patriots more likely than not are guilty of at least being somewhat aware they may or may not have been involved in actions that were against the rules.

That's not what the report says, and that is not what the ruling means. Being willfully ignorant of the terminology being used doesn't give you the ability to ignore the consequence and ramifications of said terminology. To put it short, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the argument.

You shouldn't be so quick to play the "learn the terminology" card. You're not doing so hot yourself.

For one, there hasn't been any ruling.

For another, the commission wasn't tasked with establishing innocence or guilt, nor did they. Theirs was just a fact-finding mission.

And if we're truly picking nits, then innocent or guilty aren't really the correct terms either. The proper context is whether or not league rules were violated. The report's conclusion is that it is more likely than not that they were.

 

[cstu]

There wasn't a time too long ago, when most of this was simply called "gamesmanship" (I seem to recall a story about Bill Walsh pulling similar stuff on Parcells?).

 

[rick6668]

SO many Pats haters are such losers, literally and figuratively, it just has to be said. Go to Community College or something, volunteer. It's too bad because it's really wonderful over here- and every time Tom Brady shows he's the class of the league on and off the field it seems that only provokes more ire. De-flated footballs lol, 45-7... lol.

I've never in my life seen a dumber "controversy" than this one. Anyone who believes that somehow the Patriots deflated balls to somehow give them an advantage, in a game they were already cruising in....has lost their minds. But yet, many will believe that because they irrationally hate the Pats.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deflategate-started-with-colts-interception/ar-AA8ncCo?ocid=TSHDHP

WCVB-TV reports that suspicions first arose when Indianapolis linebacker D’Qwell Jackson intercepted a Tom Brady pass early in the second quarter of the game. Jackson noticed the ball felt deflated and mentioned something to the team’s equipment manager, who brought up the subject to Colts head coach Chuck Pagano. Pagano told the team’s GM Ryan Grigson, who called the league.

League officials called and spoke with the game’s referees during halftime about the issue, leading the referees to change the balls on the field.

WCVB cautions that referees changing balls is common and that balls can deflate for a number of reasons.

Sources told Lynch that several footballs were taken out of play during the game Sunday night, but that’s not unusual and there have been times in previous games that officials have changed footballs during play due to factors such as air temperature changed that cause the ball to over or under inflate.

It's a non-issue people. Stop whining.

What if it was someone from NE deflating the 12 NE balls, not temperature? I haven't heard of a an issue with the 12 Colts balls. If temperature was an issue wouldn't the Colt balls have been deflated also?

Because this whole thing is made up, that's why. It didn't happen, and it's funny how many people will believe any rumor they hear, believe it, and try to make it a fact.

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

The only relevant difference would be when the altering occurs. If all those balls are heated/cooled/scuffed and then checked by the refs, then the onus is on the NFL. IF any of those things happen after the refs check them, then the onus is on the team. Pretty simple.

Okay, so they are exactly the same, as any logical person would conclude.

So then the issue becomes, did the alteration occur before or after inspection. Its pretty clear if it was before it wasn't cheating and after it is cheating.

Some of my favorites.

 

[12punch]

This is a joyous day. Patriots record this year and for the past few is forever tainted with a

*

Patriots*

Such cheaters, so much homer butthurt in this thread after so much laughter in January.

Probable cheaters. The Wells Reports concludes it was probable, not for sure.

For the last time. Probable means like 85% chance they cheated. But there isn't 100% evidence. According to the NFLs rules, this ruling is enough to 'convict' and dish out punishment. Expect a Brady suspension in the near future.

Please provide a citation for your 85% claim. Or did you pull it out of thin air?

There he goes again... Blinding us with science... Thin air huh? I hate to needle you espnespn but how old are you?

I'm old enough to see the hypocrisy of Pittsburgh fans who deny that Roethlisberger is a rapist and happily cheer for him, yet are positive about Deflategate.

Roethlisberger was never proven to rape anyone.

He only probably and most likely did it.

 

[GoBirds]

SO many Pats haters are such losers, literally and figuratively, it just has to be said. Go to Community College or something, volunteer. It's too bad because it's really wonderful over here- and every time Tom Brady shows he's the class of the league on and off the field it seems that only provokes more ire. De-flated footballs lol, 45-7... lol.

I've never in my life seen a dumber "controversy" than this one. Anyone who believes that somehow the Patriots deflated balls to somehow give them an advantage, in a game they were already cruising in....has lost their minds. But yet, many will believe that because they irrationally hate the Pats.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deflategate-started-with-colts-interception/ar-AA8ncCo?ocid=TSHDHP

WCVB-TV reports that suspicions first arose when Indianapolis linebacker DQwell Jackson intercepted a Tom Brady pass early in the second quarter of the game. Jackson noticed the ball felt deflated and mentioned something to the teams equipment manager, who brought up the subject to Colts head coach Chuck Pagano. Pagano told the teams GM Ryan Grigson, who called the league.

League officials called and spoke with the games referees during halftime about the issue, leading the referees to change the balls on the field.

WCVB cautions that referees changing balls is common and that balls can deflate for a number of reasons.

Sources told Lynch that several footballs were taken out of play during the game Sunday night, but thats not unusual and there have been times in previous games that officials have changed footballs during play due to factors such as air temperature changed that cause the ball to over or under inflate.

It's a non-issue people. Stop whining.

What if it was someone from NE deflating the 12 NE balls, not temperature? I haven't heard of a an issue with the 12 Colts balls. If temperature was an issue wouldn't the Colt balls have been deflated also?

Because this whole thing is made up, that's why. It didn't happen, and it's funny how many people will believe any rumor they hear, believe it, and try to make it a fact.

How is overinflating it, heating/cooling/scuffing anymore within the rules than underinflating it? Like how ####### dumb of a position to take is that?

The only relevant difference would be when the altering occurs. If all those balls are heated/cooled/scuffed and then checked by the refs, then the onus is on the NFL. IF any of those things happen after the refs check them, then the onus is on the team. Pretty simple.

Okay, so they are exactly the same, as any logical person would conclude.So then the issue becomes, did the alteration occur before or after inspection. Its pretty clear if it was before it wasn't cheating and after it is cheating.

Some of my favorites.

There are some classics. .....please get more.

 

[massraider]

6-8 games?

Whoa

 

[GregR]

"Tom, if you couldn't show some integrity for yourself or for the children who worship you, at least show some pride in your team. You're a.. you're a Patriot, Tom Brady. A team named after this country's most cherished post-9/11 legislative surveillance act."

- Jon Stewart.

 

[matuski]

This is the #### that is going to make me stop watching football.

NFL is going full blown tard reality TV.

All the sheep buying into this utterly concocted controversy... why not watch Housewives of Beverly Hills and at least see some nice cleavage while you all fret over some drama over the PSI of a football.

Jesus christ.

Suckers. All of you.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

we are talking about air in a football and people care this much.

 

[Old Smiley]

"Tom, if you couldn't show some integrity for yourself or for the children who worship you, at least show some pride in your team. You're a.. you're a Patriot, Tom Brady. A team named after this country's most cherished post-9/11 legislative surveillance act."

- Jon Stewart.

I heard Stewart went off on this. Glad it's tongue in cheek.

NFL shoots itself in the foot again. Going to #### over one of its biggest stars over an arbitrary number based on a manufacturer's recommendation.

Bra-bloody-Vo.

 

[espnespn]

There wasn't a time too long ago, when most of this was simply called "gamesmanship" (I seem to recall a story about Bill Walsh pulling similar stuff on Parcells?).

"Gamesmanship" was the word Walsh used. It sounds very civilized and gentlemanly!

https://twitter.com/rkg115/status/558863045372694529

 

[Franknbeans]

I heard Stewart went off on this. Glad it's tongue in cheek.

NFL shoots itself in the foot again. Going to #### over one of its biggest stars over an arbitrary number based on a manufacturer's recommendation.

Bra-bloody-Vo.

The Patriots shot themselves in the foot.

 

[Stealthycat]

after his second half AFC championship game performance and the Super Bowl, I'm GLAD he's caught and will be forced to throw better inflated balls

look for monster Brady numbers in his 2015/16 games

 

[Ducegonads]

How did this report take this long? I'm unimpressed due to the lack of actual proof. The txt messages are awful. I'm also unimpressed with the NFL's passing of the buck. Seems to me that this league should have actually dealt with this possibility quite some time ago. TB clearly takes the biggest hit. This one won't go away so easily but it's still to grey for my liking.

Let's get serious. Nobody is clean in this league. You could pick any team and find something. The league needs to step up and manage this small stuff more efficiently. Game balls, really?

The days of honesty and integrity may be longed for at this very moment for but are a far second to the almighty win come the 2015 season. Cheaters win and winners cheat. Be it just inside the rules or just out of them.

Embrace the hate NE. Feel like a Raider fan. Let flow through you....

 

[sho nuff]

Passing the buck.

It seems the NFL can do nothing right with some people. Before its Goodell is so bad...he is judge, jury, and executioner.

Now he has someone investigate it...had Vincent doing the punishment...and there is still crying.

 

[GoBirds]

we are talking about air in a football and people care this much.

On our way to 200 pages over a psi or 2.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Embrace the hate NE. Feel like a Raider fan. ..

let's hope it never comes to that

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

SO many Pats haters are such losers, literally and figuratively, it just has to be said. Go to Community College or something, volunteer. It's too bad because it's really wonderful over here- and every time Tom Brady shows he's the class of the league on and off the field it seems that only provokes more ire. De-flated footballs lol, 45-7... lol.

Some of my favorites.

I, too, enjoy accurate and insightful posting

 

[rick6668]

SO many Pats haters are such losers, literally and figuratively, it just has to be said. Go to Community College or something, volunteer. It's too bad because it's really wonderful over here- and every time Tom Brady shows he's the class of the league on and off the field it seems that only provokes more ire. De-flated footballs lol, 45-7... lol.

Some of my favorites.

I, too, enjoy accurate and insightful posting

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

have we heard how many games that one ref is suspended for?

the one who blew the ball up to 16 psi

 

[rick6668]

have we heard how many games that one ref is suspended for?

the one who blew the ball up to 16 psi

Those guys were just joking in those texts. Didn't you hear?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Colin KaepernickVerified account ‏@Kaepernick7 No football in the world is going to help you win by 38! Let it go and let Tom be great! On to the 2015 season

 

[Anarchy99]

NY Daily News reporting Brady will definitely be suspended. League still debating for how long and duration will be announced next week.

 

[rockaction]

6-8 games?

Whoa

I think that Pats fans are remiss in attacking the report. They ought to focus on the hope that the other 31 owners aren't so crazily pissed that the Patriots have earned a competitive edge since 2007 that they're not breathing down Goodell's neck. If a bunch of yahoos on a message board know about the 538 and Walter Sharp fumble analysis, you can be darn sure that every one these teams has guys in the front office letting their owners and GMs know about it.

I would be surprised if the penalty was harsh, but only after a major talking down of the other owners. That's what Pats fans need to hope for and where their best bet lies. Snarking away about a million little tendentious issues isn't going to do it. It may piss people off on message boards, but it means nothing to the NFL.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

According to the Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman, quoting several league sources, the Patriots’ reputation as the “best cheaters” in the NFL led to the NFL using Deflategate as a chance to get a closer look inside the Patriots’ football operations.

“the league finally got those motherf—–s.”

 

[H8fulHuck]

we are talking about air in a football and people care this much.

On our way to 200 pages over a psi or 2.

but it's not. the psi is the proverbial straw. Patriots are masterful at pushing the limits of the rules and even embrace it. there are many times when i wish i was a Patriots fan because the way the team cheats is so beautiful, to me it is like watching art bloom to life. why other teams don't make this an emphasis is a mystery to me. A few examples.

the weekly injury report is a bit middle finger to the league

stealing signals and recording walk-throughs so your players know what's coming

playing games with substitutions

drop a few psi to increase grip and reduce fumbles

the Patriots know what they are doing and have jilted other teams for years. cheating has been rewarded culminating in multiple Lombardi trophies. Goodell is expected to take the whole body of work and levy a punishment that will discourage others from defecating on his shield. If the punishment is weak, all teams need to get on board with leveling the playing field.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

we are talking about air in a football and people care this much.

On our way to 200 pages over a psi or 2.

but it's not. the psi is the proverbial straw. Patriots are masterful at pushing the limits of the rules and even embrace it. there are many times when i wish i was a Patriots fan because the way the team cheats is so beautiful, to me it is like watching art bloom to life. why other teams don't make this an emphasis is a mystery to me. A few examples.

the weekly injury report is a bit middle finger to the league

stealing signals and recording walk-throughs so your players know what's coming

playing games with substitutions

drop a few psi to increase grip and reduce fumbles

the Patriots know what they are doing and have jilted other teams for years. cheating has been rewarded culminating in multiple Lombardi trophies. Goodell is expected to take the whole body of work and levy a punishment that will discourage others from defecating on his shield. If the punishment is weak, all teams need to get on board with leveling the playing field.

shouldn't we have images enabled?

 

[T J]

Funny thing is i couldn't care less about this whole fiasco....i just enjoy watching people get so upset over something that's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things

Systematic cheating and covering it up is inconsequential to the NFL?

this is why they dont condemn people to death for misdemeanors...its not so much what hes being accused of ....it is the overreaction by the fans on here and elsewhere ...air... lmao

Pats fan?

 

[Jercules]

we are talking about air in a football and people care this much.

On our way to 200 pages over a psi or 2.

but it's not. the psi is the proverbial straw. Patriots are masterful at pushing the limits of the rules and even embrace it. there are many times when i wish i was a Patriots fan because the way the team cheats is so beautiful, to me it is like watching art bloom to life. why other teams don't make this an emphasis is a mystery to me. A few examples.

the weekly injury report is a bit middle finger to the league

stealing signals and recording walk-throughs so your players know what's coming

playing games with substitutions

drop a few psi to increase grip and reduce fumbles

the Patriots know what they are doing and have jilted other teams for years. cheating has been rewarded culminating in multiple Lombardi trophies. Goodell is expected to take the whole body of work and levy a punishment that will discourage others from defecating on his shield. If the punishment is weak, all teams need to get on board with leveling the playing field.

Patriot-haters take notice: this is a fresh angle, the super-backhanded compliment with a huge side of presumptuousness.

You'd think this guy was some kind of football connoisseur, rendered breathless by the Patriots' 'art' of cheating as he sips his Sunday chardonnay.

How I envy this man! All I ever see in a Patriots game is an immaculately prepared team that often whales on their hopelessly outclassed opponents. But I'm young...

 

[PatsWillWin]

This is really hard to swallow as a Pats fan. They might only win the division by two games this year with Brady missing time.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

NY Daily News reporting Brady will definitely be suspended. League still debating for how long and duration will be announced next week.

also from new york daily

Warren Sapp says he told a prostitute to quit yapping and start putting her mouth to good use

Jim Harbaugh ‘might be clinically insane,’ says San Francisco 49ers player

Craig James says support of gay marriage by Patriots shows ‘that’s Satan working on us’

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Funny thing is i couldn't care less about this whole fiasco....i just enjoy watching people get so upset over something that's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things

Systematic cheating and covering it up is inconsequential to the NFL?

this is why they dont condemn people to death for misdemeanors...its not so much what hes being accused of ....it is the overreaction by the fans on here and elsewhere ...air... lmao

Pats fan?

im a pats fan by default (born and raised around pats fans...so i grew watching them)....but my heart bleeds black and silver....but i dont care what team it is ...the backlash is over the top with the fans from other teams...the NFL players probably couldn't care less