Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)

[Run It Up]

, or the Seahawks' rampant PED usage?

Just to pile on our new found rivals. The Broncos were just as bad as the Seahawks in '13 about PEDs. The Broncos and Seahawks were first and second in cases.

Definitely not a culture of cheating or anything.

 

[Tool]

I'm almost halfway through this rebuttal and it's pretty convincing.

http://wellsreportcontext.com/

I read the first few paragraphs and its actually pretty convincing. Too bad there's not a cliffs notes version.

 

[jonessed]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

 

[Run It Up]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.

Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm almost halfway through this rebuttal and it's pretty convincing.

http://wellsreportcontext.com/

I read the first few paragraphs and its actually pretty convincing. Too bad there's not a cliffs notes version.

Yeah it's a long read but very interesting. They make some really solid points. The weight loss/deflator thing seems rediculous out of context but when combined with the fact that his actual job does involve inflating and then deflating footballs, and with their assertion that at no point in any texts do they say anything about improperly deflating footballs, and reading the texts all in a row, it doesn't seem like as much of a reach as some of the headlines reporting it make it seem.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.

Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

Yeah, where I'm at right now, reading the full strings of text, it's obvious these guys are joking and using sarcasm.

 

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Former Dolphins OL coach on Ted Wells

"When you sit in front of [Wells and his people], you're under attack, there's accusations, it's obvious they have an agenda [..] If I [were Tom Brady and Bill Belichick] I wouldn't say a word to Ted Wells, independent investigator my ###."

 

[Tool]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

To me it seems highly unlikely they would make that up for the very reason you state. I mean if you were going to come up with a story you wouldn't come up with that.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Yeah, me too.

The handling of the Ray Rice matter won't be the nail in the coffin. It'll be the excessive punishment for the cheater.

That he wasn't involved in. At all.

He's going down, man!

I think it would more likely be that Kraft doesn't support the commissioner anymore and the rest of the owners fall in line.

That would go a long way toward disabusing people of the notion that Kraft expects special treatment for his team.

Ivan, you have been relentlessly basing for Patriots for this. Just curious, what are your thoughts on other competitive advantage incidents over the years that have received no punishment at all? In particular the Pathers and Vikings heating up balls on the sidelines, or the Seahawks' rampant PED usage? Or the envelope pushing that has been acknowledged in ball prep by Aarn Rodgers (wink wink) and Eli Manning? I mean - seriously - the only thing funnier than the stupidity of this whole affair is the faux outrage from people who are claiming to stand for fairness.

Serious answer because you've been pretty cool about all of this.

Panthers-Vikings: The teams (?) fessed up. I could see somebody doing this and not realizing it was illegal. The league told them to knock it off. If they do it again. I expect punishment.

I honestly know nothing about the Seahawks and PEDs. Sorry. I'm barely aware that that team even exists. That's not meant as a slight or a dodge or anything else, just that I'm on CT and I'm an AFC guy so I almost never watch Seattle games and I don't follow them at all.

Aaron Rodgers: Do whatever you want with the footballs pre-inspection and let the refs do their job. A little slimy if you're doing it deliberately hoping the refs won't catch something, but not the same thing as tampering with equipment post-inspection.

I don't understand the Eli Manning reference.

I doubt that under-inflated footballs are a huge advantage, and I don't seriously think that Tom Brady would be Brady Quinn if he had to throw regulation balls. That's stupid. My main issues are that Brady crossed a clear, bright line into cheating territory (tampering with equipment after inspection) even if it conferred only a minor advantage, that he lied about it (and most likely lied to his owner about it), that he and the Patriots failed to cooperate with the investigation, and that all this is properly magnified by the repeat offense factor (Spygate).

I've said before in this thread that if this same thing had happened with some random team that fessed up immediately, I would have no problem with a small fine. It's all the other stuff that drives the story IMO.

 

[ratbast]

He was responsible for the balls. Only 2 likely nicknames. 50/50

 

[Run It Up]

Edelman on Brady's suspension:

“It’s ####### Bull####”

Short and sweet.

 

[General Tso]

Yeah, me too.

The handling of the Ray Rice matter won't be the nail in the coffin. It'll be the excessive punishment for the cheater.

That he wasn't involved in. At all.

He's going down, man!

I think it would more likely be that Kraft doesn't support the commissioner anymore and the rest of the owners fall in line.

That would go a long way toward disabusing people of the notion that Kraft expects special treatment for his team.

Ivan, you have been relentlessly basing for Patriots for this. Just curious, what are your thoughts on other competitive advantage incidents over the years that have received no punishment at all? In particular the Pathers and Vikings heating up balls on the sidelines, or the Seahawks' rampant PED usage? Or the envelope pushing that has been acknowledged in ball prep by Aarn Rodgers (wink wink) and Eli Manning? I mean - seriously - the only thing funnier than the stupidity of this whole affair is the faux outrage from people who are claiming to stand for fairness.

Serious answer because you've been pretty cool about all of this.

Panthers-Vikings: The teams (?) fessed up. I could see somebody doing this and not realizing it was illegal. The league told them to knock it off. If they do it again. I expect punishment.

I honestly know nothing about the Seahawks and PEDs. Sorry. I'm barely aware that that team even exists. That's not meant as a slight or a dodge or anything else, just that I'm on CT and I'm an AFC guy so I almost never watch Seattle games and I don't follow them at all.

Aaron Rodgers: Do whatever you want with the footballs pre-inspection and let the refs do their job. A little slimy if you're doing it deliberately hoping the refs won't catch something, but not the same thing as tampering with equipment post-inspection.

I don't understand the Eli Manning reference.

I doubt that under-inflated footballs are a huge advantage, and I don't seriously think that Tom Brady would be Brady Quinn if he had to throw regulation balls. That's stupid. My main issues are that Brady crossed a clear, bright line into cheating territory (tampering with equipment after inspection) even if it conferred only a minor advantage, that he lied about it (and most likely lied to his owner about it), that he and the Patriots failed to cooperate with the investigation, and that all this is properly magnified by the repeat offense factor (Spygate).

I've said before in this thread that if this same thing had happened with some random team that fessed up immediately, I would have no problem with a small fine. It's all the other stuff that drives the story IMO.

ok. Reasonable enough.

 

[Tool]

Yeah, me too.

The handling of the Ray Rice matter won't be the nail in the coffin. It'll be the excessive punishment for the cheater.

That he wasn't involved in. At all.

He's going down, man!

I think it would more likely be that Kraft doesn't support the commissioner anymore and the rest of the owners fall in line.

That would go a long way toward disabusing people of the notion that Kraft expects special treatment for his team.

Ivan, you have been relentlessly basing for Patriots for this. Just curious, what are your thoughts on other competitive advantage incidents over the years that have received no punishment at all? In particular the Pathers and Vikings heating up balls on the sidelines, or the Seahawks' rampant PED usage? Or the envelope pushing that has been acknowledged in ball prep by Aarn Rodgers (wink wink) and Eli Manning? I mean - seriously - the only thing funnier than the stupidity of this whole affair is the faux outrage from people who are claiming to stand for fairness.

Serious answer because you've been pretty cool about all of this.

Panthers-Vikings: The teams (?) fessed up. I could see somebody doing this and not realizing it was illegal. The league told them to knock it off. If they do it again. I expect punishment.

I honestly know nothing about the Seahawks and PEDs. Sorry. I'm barely aware that that team even exists. That's not meant as a slight or a dodge or anything else, just that I'm on CT and I'm an AFC guy so I almost never watch Seattle games and I don't follow them at all.

Aaron Rodgers: Do whatever you want with the footballs pre-inspection and let the refs do their job. A little slimy if you're doing it deliberately hoping the refs won't catch something, but not the same thing as tampering with equipment post-inspection.

I don't understand the Eli Manning reference.

I doubt that under-inflated footballs are a huge advantage, and I don't seriously think that Tom Brady would be Brady Quinn if he had to throw regulation balls. That's stupid. My main issues are that Brady crossed a clear, bright line into cheating territory (tampering with equipment after inspection) even if it conferred only a minor advantage, that he lied about it (and most likely lied to his owner about it), that he and the Patriots failed to cooperate with the investigation, and that all this is properly magnified by the repeat offense factor (Spygate).

I've said before in this thread that if this same thing had happened with some random team that fessed up immediately, I would have no problem with a small fine. It's all the other stuff that drives the story IMO.

Why do you think Brady would do it? It's such a minor advantage. He's risking his reputation and legacy that he's built up over a decade and a half. He's risking all of that for such a small advantage. And he's putting his legacy in the hands of two low level equipment guys who could spill the beans at any time.

 

[3quinox]

okay so put aside the legality and repercussions of the whole thing for a second. Do you guys believe the Pats and Brady deserve this due to the cloud of cheating thats been around them for a while? Do you think all teams have people secretly lose weight is smoky back rooms with dorito dinks as well?

TLR----Is it cuz the pats are soooo easy to hate or because what they did this time (if anything at all) is actually monumentally disgusting to the game?

 

[Pots]

okay so put aside the legality and repercussions of the whole thing for a second. Do you guys believe the Pats and Brady deserve this due to the cloud of cheating thats been around them for a while? Do you think all teams have people secretly lose weight is smoky back rooms with dorito dinks as well?

TLR----Is it cuz the pats are soooo easy to hate or because what they did this time (if anything at all) is actually monumentally disgusting to the game?

It's because.

1) What they did

2) What they did in the past

3) Lieing about what they did

 

[Run It Up]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial — and it was the League that also employed the investigators — Patriots’ counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots’ counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

 

[12punch]

I read the rebuttal. The weight loss excuse is ridiculous however, its so wacky it might be true! I thought the rest of the arguments seemed solid.

Pats Homer. I will say that this drama stinks. Pats Nation should be on top of the world.

And I see Run and Punch chime in with passion for their team. Im prood of you guys....don't stop my brothers.

They'll have to pry this keyboard from my cold dead hands.

 

[JIslander]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

Yeah, where I'm at right now, reading the full strings of text, it's obvious these guys are joking and using sarcasm.

Didn't they get fired? For sarcasm?

 

[espnespn]

I think what really was happening is that the Patriots were in fact inflating footballs to the bare minimum to pass inspection, and that they knew the balls would continue to get softer by game time. I think they did this to gain an advantage, but I don't think they considered it cheating.

that's really nonsensical, though --- it's an unnecessary layer of conspiracy theorist spin reverse engineered from a conclusion.

by that same logic, andrew luck sets his balls at 13 because he knows they'll drop down a pound to an illegal 12 range.

these guys have all thrown thousands of balls in all different environments throughout their lives, so they may very well have some implicit, if not explicit, understanding of temperature on the ball's pressure or feel, but to paint the picture that he calculates out the pressures, picks out a couple dozen balls that they've been working for however long, and submits a 12.5 expecting an 11.5 is really very nutty.

these balls have all been measured at varying psi, including the single ball the colts intercepted that has 3 different readings, but I'm supposed to believe that 11.5 is the magic number that he targets and he submits balls at varying pressures according to the temp for the game, instead of just trying to slide 11.5s through like rodgers would, knowing te refs are very lax in checking that stuff.

people really need to think these things through and see how crazy paranoid they sound.

i tend to think bill was telling the truth - they give the balls to the refs and say set them to 12.5. I also think that they knew that the balls would deflate some after that in the cold. I think they gained an advantage from that. I don't think it was an illegal advantage, or at least, I think they believed it was legal. It explains all the allegations and responses by all parties - the league legitimately thinking they're guilty, the pats going scorched earth, science showing that it was pretty darn close but just a little sketchy, all of it makes more sense if they were right on the line but not quite over it.

It's unnecessary though. If he wants the balls a little softer in the cold, he probably does when its warm too.Really, there is no scenario where he would want his balls firm, so why not submit @ 12.5 max all the time?

If it was an open secret that the refs didn't check the ball PSI very carefully, wouldn't the Pats normally try to submit balls slightly lower than 12.5 PSI?

In the past, there was a very good chance that balls lower than 12.5 PSI would have gotten past inspection. McNally knew this, and could have easily submitted balls at around 12 PSI, instead of 12.5 PSI. As long as they weren't obviously low, those types of balls got approved in the past, so he had no reason to change that for the AFC game.

 

[12punch]

I think what really was happening is that the Patriots were in fact inflating footballs to the bare minimum to pass inspection, and that they knew the balls would continue to get softer by game time. I think they did this to gain an advantage, but I don't think they considered it cheating.

that's really nonsensical, though --- it's an unnecessary layer of conspiracy theorist spin reverse engineered from a conclusion.

by that same logic, andrew luck sets his balls at 13 because he knows they'll drop down a pound to an illegal 12 range.

these guys have all thrown thousands of balls in all different environments throughout their lives, so they may very well have some implicit, if not explicit, understanding of temperature on the ball's pressure or feel, but to paint the picture that he calculates out the pressures, picks out a couple dozen balls that they've been working for however long, and submits a 12.5 expecting an 11.5 is really very nutty.

these balls have all been measured at varying psi, including the single ball the colts intercepted that has 3 different readings, but I'm supposed to believe that 11.5 is the magic number that he targets and he submits balls at varying pressures according to the temp for the game, instead of just trying to slide 11.5s through like rodgers would, knowing te refs are very lax in checking that stuff.

people really need to think these things through and see how crazy paranoid they sound.

i tend to think bill was telling the truth - they give the balls to the refs and say set them to 12.5. I also think that they knew that the balls would deflate some after that in the cold. I think they gained an advantage from that. I don't think it was an illegal advantage, or at least, I think they believed it was legal. It explains all the allegations and responses by all parties - the league legitimately thinking they're guilty, the pats going scorched earth, science showing that it was pretty darn close but just a little sketchy, all of it makes more sense if they were right on the line but not quite over it.

OK, again, by claiming they got an advantage you're claiming weather only affects their balls.It is very nutty

Not at all. I'm saying that its generally better to use softer balls in the cold. I'm sure lots of teams prefer that. I also wouldn't be surprised if the pats took further advantage by submitting indoor air balls on cold days, so they got more of an advantage. I wouldn't consider that cheating if they handed them to the refs and said, here, pump them up to 12.5 please. and it seems to explain a lot.

You think, in your imagination, that it is somehow noteworthy that they give the refs balls with 'indoor air' in them, and claim some kind of conspiracy theory based on that.

What you will probably never understand, because past a certain age the cookie is baked, is that reality and your imagination are 2 different things.

When you, and whoever else, posit turning over balls indoors as some kind of long con it comes off as nutty to the outside observer.

That's all I'm saying.

Every time I see Dodds post, to use him as example, it's like he's trying to show us that he's smart enough to see past whatever -- not to knock the guy.

Sometimes what you're looking at is what you're looking at.

 

[General Tso]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial — and it was the League that also employed the investigators — Patriots’ counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots’ counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I just finshed the rebuttal that the team/laywers put out. They did a real good job. I don't know if it happened or not, but at the very least I believe they can muddy the waters enough, and at best outright exonerate "Mr. Brady".

 

[Run It Up]

Rule 2 goes on to state that the footballs shall remain “under the supervision of the referee until they are delivered to the football attendant just prior to the start of the game.” (pg. 32). The report concludes that “football attendant” refers to the ball boys. Nowhere in the report, however, is there any discussion about whether the referee or other League officials failed to properly maintain this supervision, which one would have expected to have been particularly vigilant in the wake of the Colts expressed concerns. The report acknowledges that game officials specifically allowed Mr. McNally to take the game footballs from the dressing room of the Officials’ Locker Room (where the referee was) into the separate sitting room (pg. 55).

No one told Mr. McNally that he could not then proceed to the field with the footballs. When the NFC Championship Game ended abruptly in overtime and Mr. McNally started from the back of the sitting room towards the door to the hallway, he walked by numerous League officials in the sitting room. As the report states (pg. 55), the sitting room was crowded with “NFL personnel, game officials and others gathered there to watch the conclusion of the NFC Championship Game on television.” Mr. McNally had to navigate this crowd of officials to make it through the sitting room with two large bags of footballs on his shoulders. Mr. McNally, a physically big man, hoisted two large bags of footballs and lumbered past all these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room.

As is clear from the report, no one objected; no one told him to stop; no one requested that he wait to be accompanied by a League official; no one told him that a League official had to carry the footballs to the field. After he walked past all of these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room to the hallway, he then walked past James Daniel, an NFL official and one of the people who had been alerted to the Colts psi concerns pre-game (pg. 45). Mr. Daniel, as seen on the security video, looked at Mr. McNally carrying the bags of footballs toward the field unaccompanied by any League or game official, and made no objection to Mr. McNally continuing unaccompanied to the field. In short, if officials lost track of the location of game footballs, it was not because Mr. McNally stealthily removed them. (Omitted from the investigation were interviews with all those League officials whom Mr. McNally walked past with the bags of footballs on his shoulders.)

Even after halftime, when obvious attention was being paid to game footballs and psi issues by League and game officials, who took control of the footballs at halftime, the security video shows Mr. McNally, with no objection, taking the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room back to the field totally unaccompanied by any League or Game official. Mr. McNally’s removal of the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game began was simply not unauthorized, unknown, unusual, or in violation of some protocol or instruction. The report nonetheless portrays Mr. McNally’s departure from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game as a step in secretly taking the footballs for nefarious reasons.

 

[amnesiac]

wait, they didn't record the pregame inflation numbers?

i personally would've stopped the investigation right there.

then they didn't record all the Colts' balls?

this whole thing is stupid.

Do you understand, that from an evidentiary standpoint, the recorded numbers would likely only be admitted into evidence after establishing the foundation of Ref Anderson's memory of the event anyhow. The real evidentiary value is in the memory. (Now there are some exceptions for records maintained in the ordinary course of business, but those presumptions are challengeable, so the basic foregoing statement is accurate for purposes of this discussion.)

interesting. in the medical field we have a saying: "If it's not written down, it didn't happen."

If you see me choking, or having a heart attack, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't take the time to write it down before rendering aid.

TIA.

fair request. generally it can be written down sometime afterward. but proper documentation is a huge issue.

 

[espnespn]

Well, you are basically tossing out all measurement data because you don't trust the testimony of the league official WRT pre-game pressure measurement. I think that's a pretty key part aspect.

The problem is, its not even data. It wasnt even written down. You're relying on a guys recollection who has a vested interest in not seeming like he didnt take it seriously.

But i'd say the most critical problem is that he claims he specifically remembers all the Pats balls being 12.5 psi exactly, and all the Colts balls being either 13.0 or 13.1 (a very specific answer).

If you take that seriously, all the Colts balls should have been identical at halftime as well. It just seems wildly unlikely that 48 balls were within a .1psi range. And if Anderson was wrong or lying, we dont know anything about what any of the pregame numbers were. He could have been spitballing and the were all within .2 or .3psi, or he could have just not tested them, or just made sure they werent radically out there (like 9.0 or 15.0).

The problem is that, per the exponent report, the expected halftime measurements is a range, even with a fixed starting pressure. A wet ball would be expected to be cooler than a dry one, and damp would range somewhere in between.I wouldn't expect game used balls, of varying moisture levels and handling g, to all be identical temps. I'd be suspicious of fudging the data if they were.

The Pats balls all fell to below the expected pressure...that's the problem here.

I think we touched on this before, but if the logo gauge was used for inspection (which is what the ref thinks he used), then there was a 4-5 minute window where the Pats balls (even if assumed that they all started at 12.5 PSI) could be within range of the expected pressure without tampering. The bag of balls was missing for a few minutes at halftime, and I don't think we can just shave the missing minutes off the 4-5 minute window.

Maybe someone needs to do an experiment on this, but if you have a zippered-closed bag full of damp balls, with the balls around 50 degrees, and the air inside the bag is around 50 degrees (the bag was zipped open and closed throughout the first half, so the air in the bag had plenty of time to reach equilibrium with the outside 50 degree weather), the balls would not warm up much in the few minutes between when the bag was brought inside and when the refs zipped open the bag and started measuring.

 

[12punch]

Former Dolphins OL coach on Ted Wells

"When you sit in front of [Wells and his people], you're under attack, there's accusations, it's obvious they have an agenda [..] If I [were Tom Brady and Bill Belichick] I wouldn't say a word to Ted Wells, independent investigator my ###."

nice find

and that's from a miami guy

 

[12punch]

Edelman on Brady's suspension:

“It’s ####### Bull####”

Short and sweet.

dude, lay off the guy --- we can't help our genetics

 

[GoBirds]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

 

[Stealthycat]

maybe Tom was born that way ?

 

[12punch]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial — and it was the League that also employed the investigators — Patriots’ counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots’ counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

these blurbs have me almost as psyched to read this thing as I am for week 1

 

[12punch]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

Yeah, where I'm at right now, reading the full strings of text, it's obvious these guys are joking and using sarcasm.

Didn't they get fired? For sarcasm?

not that I'm aware of

 

[12punch]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial — and it was the League that also employed the investigators — Patriots’ counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots’ counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this.

to have done what?

stop talking nonsense like you know any more than the rest of us

if you think he let air out of balls tell me how much

 

[12punch]

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

haha...I was going to make a joke post about how kraft was most likely involved in all this with goodell like a wwf thing to drum up publicity

 

[davearm]

Yeah it's a long read but very interesting. They make some really solid points. The weight loss/deflator thing seems rediculous out of context but when combined with the fact that his actual job does involve inflating and then deflating footballs, and with their assertion that at no point in any texts do they say anything about improperly deflating footballs, and reading the texts all in a row, it doesn't seem like as much of a reach as some of the headlines reporting it make it seem.

McNally is the one nicknamed the deflator. His actual job does not involve inflating or deflating footballs. That's precisely why it's so suspicious.

McNally's job involves making sure the officials have enough towels, coffee, etc in their locker room on game day.

 

[12punch]

Rule 2 goes on to state that the footballs shall remain “under the supervision of the referee until they are delivered to the football attendant just prior to the start of the game.” (pg. 32). The report concludes that “football attendant” refers to the ball boys. Nowhere in the report, however, is there any discussion about whether the referee or other League officials failed to properly maintain this supervision, which one would have expected to have been particularly vigilant in the wake of the Colts expressed concerns. The report acknowledges that game officials specifically allowed Mr. McNally to take the game footballs from the dressing room of the Officials’ Locker Room (where the referee was) into the separate sitting room (pg. 55).

No one told Mr. McNally that he could not then proceed to the field with the footballs. When the NFC Championship Game ended abruptly in overtime and Mr. McNally started from the back of the sitting room towards the door to the hallway, he walked by numerous League officials in the sitting room. As the report states (pg. 55), the sitting room was crowded with “NFL personnel, game officials and others gathered there to watch the conclusion of the NFC Championship Game on television.” Mr. McNally had to navigate this crowd of officials to make it through the sitting room with two large bags of footballs on his shoulders. Mr. McNally, a physically big man, hoisted two large bags of footballs and lumbered past all these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room.

As is clear from the report, no one objected; no one told him to stop; no one requested that he wait to be accompanied by a League official; no one told him that a League official had to carry the footballs to the field. After he walked past all of these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room to the hallway, he then walked past James Daniel, an NFL official and one of the people who had been alerted to the Colts psi concerns pre-game (pg. 45). Mr. Daniel, as seen on the security video, looked at Mr. McNally carrying the bags of footballs toward the field unaccompanied by any League or game official, and made no objection to Mr. McNally continuing unaccompanied to the field. In short, if officials lost track of the location of game footballs, it was not because Mr. McNally stealthily removed them. (Omitted from the investigation were interviews with all those League officials whom Mr. McNally walked past with the bags of footballs on his shoulders.)

Even after halftime, when obvious attention was being paid to game footballs and psi issues by League and game officials, who took control of the footballs at halftime, the security video shows Mr. McNally, with no objection, taking the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room back to the field totally unaccompanied by any League or Game official. Mr. McNally’s removal of the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game began was simply not unauthorized, unknown, unusual, or in violation of some protocol or instruction. The report nonetheless portrays Mr. McNally’s departure from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game as a step in secretly taking the footballs for nefarious reasons.

just because I like you every post don't think there's anything more going on there

 

[Koya]

Wait, I'm confused.

Are we allowed to reference the books or is this dramatic saga TV series only?

 

[JIslander]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

Yeah, where I'm at right now, reading the full strings of text, it's obvious these guys are joking and using sarcasm.

Didn't they get fired? For sarcasm?

not that I'm aware of

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/the-patriots-fired-the-guys-theyre-passionately-defending-today/

 

[General Tso]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.Yes, I stand by my statement that despite the Pats guilt in this matter, the bigger issue here is the NFL's mismanagement of this and other recent issues. Four months and $4.5 million devoted to deflated footballs? I'm sure it got your simple mind all fired up, but in the grand scheme of things it amounts to killing a fruit fly with a cruise missile - and the fly is in your own house.

 

[12punch]

Wait, I'm confused.

Are we allowed to reference the books or is this dramatic saga TV series only?

like x10

 

[Bucky86]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by 12punch. View it anyway?

Dude....take a break. Step away from the keyboard.

 

[12punch]

I laughed out loud when I heard the "losing weight" thing on the radio. What a bunch of morons. Who comes up with something like that?

At least now everybody knows they are full of ####.

The biggest red flag I had when I was first reading the Wells report was how in all of their texts that they cherry picked, its very clear these jackasses are clowning around. But Ted Wells makes his own interpretation reality when he bookends each exchange with his personal opinions of them.Oh such and such is just a joke. Such and such is implausible. Then he adds a slight amount of context by using Mcnallys testimony and just immediately dismisses it.

His job was to summarize the evidence, not make himself the judge and jury of that evidence. Its really easy to hand down judgement if your Troy Vincent, ####### Ted Wells already did it.

Yeah, where I'm at right now, reading the full strings of text, it's obvious these guys are joking and using sarcasm.

Didn't they get fired? For sarcasm?

not that I'm aware of

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/the-patriots-fired-the-guys-theyre-passionately-defending-today/

“Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th,” the league’s release last week read.

were they fired or suspended?

 

[12punch]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.

wat

you still post in the pats thread, don't you?

although, shark pool certainly be sharkin' on the reg

 

[General Tso]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.

wat

you still post in the pats thread, don't you?

although, shark pool certainly be sharkin' on the reg

I've made a couple of brief forays in to the Shark Pool but for the most part I've been posting in the FFA. Too many guys like GoBirds polluting this place. As Fat Albert used to say, "Like school on Sunday - no class".

 

[GoBirds]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.Yes, I stand by my statement that despite the Pats guilt in this matter, the bigger issue here is the NFL's mismanagement of this and other recent issues. Four months and $4.5 million devoted to deflated footballs? I'm sure it got your simple mind all fired up, but in the grand scheme of things it amounts to killing a fruit fly with a cruise missile - and the fly is in your own house.

Do me a favor and go review your first 200 posts in this thread including your scientific conclusions and your unwavering confidence after the BB presser as well as other all time classics and decide if you really need to keep posting more nonsense.

 

[Run It Up]

I'd rather they dragged it out. Dragging the shield through the mud along the way.I hope Goodell decides to hear the appeal himself to attempt to save face but in reality sealing his fate and losing his job.

#### em.

Goodell has chosen to oversee the appeal himself.

Its happening.

Also, what a ####### joke.

 

[General Tso]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.Yes, I stand by my statement that despite the Pats guilt in this matter, the bigger issue here is the NFL's mismanagement of this and other recent issues. Four months and $4.5 million devoted to deflated footballs? I'm sure it got your simple mind all fired up, but in the grand scheme of things it amounts to killing a fruit fly with a cruise missile - and the fly is in your own house.

Do me a favor and go review your first 200 posts in this thread including your scientific conclusions and your unwavering confidence after the BB presser as well as other all time classics and decide if you really need to keep posting more nonsense.

Go fly away. Anywhere. You have consistently been the most insufferable troll in the Shark Pool for the better part of a year now. You can disagree with people without being a #####-bag, you do know that right?

 

[The General]

I'd rather they dragged it out. Dragging the shield through the mud along the way.I hope Goodell decides to hear the appeal himself to attempt to save face but in reality sealing his fate and losing his job.

#### em.

Goodell has chosen to oversee the appeal himself.

Its happening.

Also, what a ####### joke.

I don't think this is going to work out well for the Pats.

 

[Run It Up]

I'd rather they dragged it out. Dragging the shield through the mud along the way.I hope Goodell decides to hear the appeal himself to attempt to save face but in reality sealing his fate and losing his job.

#### em.

Goodell has chosen to oversee the appeal himself.

Its happening.

Also, what a ####### joke.

I don't think this is going to work out well for the Pats.

I see it ending one of two ways.

Roger feigns shock at all the shortcomings of the Wells investigation and overturns the suspension - despite approving his punishment.

Or.

The Pats take the NFL to court. Goodell loses his job. All team punishment overturned.

 

[flapgreen]

I'd rather they dragged it out. Dragging the shield through the mud along the way.

I hope Goodell decides to hear the appeal himself to attempt to save face but in reality sealing his fate and losing his job.

#### em.

Goodell has chosen to oversee the appeal himself.Its happening.

Also, what a ####### joke.

:facepalm: Goodell just doesn't get #### nor does he care. What a cluster

 

[GoBirds]

Near the end of the context page.

"Since the Patriots were the target of this investigation and since information coming directly from game officials and League officials was crucial and it was the League that also employed the investigators Patriots counsel requested to be present during interviews of such League personnel.

That request was rejected. Patriots counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued.

This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts."

There is so much rotten in all of this. First off, the Pats were rotten to have done this. I've been a Pats fan since 75 and I am pissed. On the heels of Spygate there shouldn't have even been the sniff of impropriety.But the NFL's conduct here is the bigger story in my opinion. It's reprehensible. The above paragraph says it all. They probably arrived at the right conclusion, but boy what a hatchet job. Gustapo tactics. Roger Goodell really needs to be fired. Yesterday. Just horrible the way he and Kensil handled this. From the leaks, to the tactics, to the overly harsh punishment...

Lastly, Ted Wells really lost the most in all of this. Everyone already knew the Pats and Goodell were corrupt. But Wells was the big surprise here. I've read most of the report, and as I said above it's a really bad hatchet job. And then his bizarre, angry outburst with the media conference call... For a guy who came into this so well respected, he really couldn't have performed any worse. His reputation has taken a huge beating, and his reaction to the criticism leads me to believe he knows he did a lousy job here. Four months and $4 million? Wow.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this is a coordinated, brilliant scheme by all parties to keep the NFL and the Patriots in the news. Think about it. It's May and this has been the lead news item for a week now.

NFL conduct the BIGGER story? Yeah nice try....at least you came up with some spin so you could show your face in here again after your first 100 pages of craziness.

haha. I see some things never change. You're just as obnoxious as ever, which is one of the main reasons I don't post in the Shark Pool anymore. And if you'd been paying attention, I've roundly condemned Brady and the Pats for this whole mess.Yes, I stand by my statement that despite the Pats guilt in this matter, the bigger issue here is the NFL's mismanagement of this and other recent issues. Four months and $4.5 million devoted to deflated footballs? I'm sure it got your simple mind all fired up, but in the grand scheme of things it amounts to killing a fruit fly with a cruise missile - and the fly is in your own house.

Do me a favor and go review your first 200 posts in this thread including your scientific conclusions and your unwavering confidence after the BB presser as well as other all time classics and decide if you really need to keep posting more nonsense.

Go fly away. Anywhere. You have consistently been the most insufferable troll in the Shark Pool for the better part of a year now. You can disagree with people without being a #####-bag, you do know that right?

Your act just doesn't quit. Keep spinning and deflecting.