Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

maybe it isn't

 

[BigSteelThrill]

maybe it isn't

You guys keep spewing fantasy land ideas.

 

[David Dodds]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

I have to wonder if this was some of Kraft's thought process as well:

"OK, you may have gotten us this time ... but don't forget that I know where the skeletons are buried in your closet, too.

"So, what are we going to do to make this all go away?"

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

he was supposed to file an antitrust suit against the nfl to get a draft pick back

ok, just so we get that on record

shark pool be sharkin'

 

[David Dodds]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

I have heard that rumor too. No one wins if all of this gets out there. Even if every team is shown to have dirty laundry, the team with the rings falls the hardest.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

I have to wonder if this was some of Kraft's thought process as well:

"OK, you may have gotten us this time ... but don't forget that I know where the skeletons are buried in your closet, too.

"So, what are we going to do to make this all go away?"

roll over and take the punishment?

where are you going with this?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

Honestly either way they really had very little recourse. T

There is no internal appeal process for the team's themselves and while a litigation is a possibility, it begins under the guise of violating the league's by-laws and then what's the end game? Dragging this thing on for years and spending close to a million dollars to vacate a million dollar fine and perhaps get their draft picks back?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

he was supposed to file an antitrust suit against the nfl to get a draft pick back

ok, just so we get that on record

shark pool be sharkin'

No he was supposed to defend himself. His team. His business. His players. His fans. And all of the legacy for all those mentioned if they were wrongly accused.

And he was supposed to accept it if he was guilty. He accepted it.

Hell, he accepted the guilt from jump street when it first came out. But Pat fans started losing their god damn minds.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

Honestly either way they really had very little recourse. T

There is no internal appeal process for the team's themselves and while a litigation is a possibility, it begins under the guise of violating the league's by-laws and then what's the end game? Dragging this thing on for years and spending close to a million dollars to vacate a million dollar fine and perhaps get their draft picks back?

Proving your innocence to the other 31 owners/partners. Which they could not do.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

I have heard that rumor too. No one wins if all of this gets out there. Even if every team is shown to have dirty laundry, the team with the rings falls the hardest.

My pet peeve as a NE fan is that the Pats probably had what it took to win as often as they have without all the cloak and dagger stuff. So many people will focus on all the extracurricular activities that may or may not have happened and may or may not have given them an advantage. If anything, I think whatever they have been up to gave them a psychological advantage (almost like a placebo) but minimal, if any, advantage on the field. To clarify, that's for the things that we know about in the realm of rules violations. I reserve judgment should other infractions be uncovered that could be categorized as more heinous.

I agree that airing dirty laundry from 32 teams is not a good look for the league, and I think this entire Deflategate fiasco should never have been made public and the league could have kept this all in-house and resolved things internally. But it wasn't so here we are . . .

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Greg A. Bedard @GregABedard · 35m 35 minutes ago
Belief in league circles is NFLPA has found the perfect player & case to go big-game hunting and change commissioner discipline forever.

 

[Anarchy99]

As far as Kraft's throwing in the towel on pursuing legal action, I think his legal team told him things would turn into a spectacle and the team had very little recourse or legal standing. Basically, they would look foolish and spend millions with no chance to win based on the covenant of owners with the NFL. So even if the punishment was over the top and potentially unfair, they didn't have any outs. So they concocted a story line that puts a PR spin that they are taking one for the league even if they don't agree with it, when in reality, they had no legal case.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how many draft picks do the pats lose next time they play on a cold day?

that dude is gonna have to be sneaking off to the bathroom to inflate balls this year

 

[davearm]

As far as Kraft's throwing in the towel on pursuing legal action, I think his legal team told him things would turn into a spectacle and the team had very little recourse or legal standing. Basically, they would look foolish and spend millions with no chance to win based on the covenant of owners with the NFL. So even if the punishment was over the top and potentially unfair, they didn't have any outs. So they concocted a story line that puts a PR spin that they are taking one for the league even if they don't agree with it, when in reality, they had no legal case.

Well said.

Folks saying Kraft gave up, admitted guilt, etc. etc. just aren't seeing things clearly enough.

No matter how Kraft feels about his team's guilt or innocence, he didn't have any viable options. There is no appeal to be filed. And there really is no lawsuit to be filed either.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

how many draft picks do the pats lose next time they play on a cold day?

that dude is gonna have to be sneaking off to the bathroom to inflate balls this year

so funny.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

somebody actually got a comment out of harbaugh

 

[Old Smiley]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h2 hours ago

It's a long horse race. Kraft will need something later: a stadium issue, a rule change, support for some measure. This is a chip.

 

[Jercules]

US gov weighing in on defamegate

Pretty scary when a US Congressman is bringing sanity to the debate.

 

[Jercules]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h2 hours ago

It's a long horse race. Kraft will need something later: a stadium issue, a rule change, support for some measure. This is a chip.

Great point. I wonder if this will have any impact on Brady's appeal.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

US gov weighing in on defamegate

Pretty scary when a US Congressman is bringing sanity to the debate.

just scrolled through the comments

comments are always the best

 

[KellysHeroes]

As far as Kraft's throwing in the towel on pursuing legal action, I think his legal team told him things would turn into a spectacle and the team had very little recourse or legal standing. Basically, they would look foolish and spend millions with no chance to win based on the covenant of owners with the NFL. So even if the punishment was over the top and potentially unfair, they didn't have any outs. So they concocted a story line that puts a PR spin that they are taking one for the league even if they don't agree with it, when in reality, they had no legal case.

basically let Tom off with a slap on the wrist and I'll not take action

 

[Jercules]

Anyone read this book about Spygate?

http://www.amazon.com/Spygate-Untold-Story-Bryan-OLeary/dp/0985467002/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349970716&sr=8-1&keywords=spygate+the+untold+story

Has a lot of positive reviews. Supposedly uncovers TONS of dirt about the Patriots that Goodell's office covered up for the good of the league. But in agreeing to destroying evidence and covering things up, he demanded from Kraft that this nonsense of pushing every edge stops.

That was all fine until the Patriots were caught cheating again. And before Patriots nation scream nothing has been proven, etc...we get back to one simple fact:

The Indianapolis Colts alerted the NFL that this would happen in the game they were about to play. And like clockwork, it happened. The Patriots balls were well below the spec.

You know what La'el Collins did when everyone was accusing him of stuff? He took a lie detector test. What did the Patriots do? They stone-walled the investigation from the beginning (one interview per person only), not turning over records, lying about relationships, etc.

The racheting up from the Patriots and Commish's office is entertaining. I see no way this ends well for the Patriots even if the league lessens the penalties. The commish no longer is going to look away and I don't think the Patriots are willing to not try and push every possible edge.

I can see Goodell fining the Patriots every week for not submitting an accurate injury report.

and heaven forbid if New England is still doing any of these other things found in the Spygate book above. That's hammer time.

Goodell was in New England's pocket for Kraft getting him the job and his big raise. For Goodell to turn on that, I am convinced he has ample proof that new England is not honoring their end of the deal he made with them during Spygate. What would Goodell's motivation be to discredit a star in the league and the team that just won the Super Bowl? Goodell has no motive to do this. He wins by this being pushed under the rug again. Yet Goodell is not letting that happen at all. He is digging in. He will be hearing the appeal, etc.

Today, Goodell is not in New England's pocket and I think it's safe to say he never will be again. Unless Kraft can get the backing of the owners and they can oust Goodell, he is going to find the sledding very rough very soon. The problem with escalation is there can be no winners. And it's all pointing to a grand finale where Goodell and Kraft both self-destruct.

That's the problem with these giant threads. Just when you think you've made some progress, and have delved into the issues a bit with friends and foes alike, some newbie comes along and posts the stuff we dealt with 100 pages ago.

And plenty of fiction is well-reviewed, so I don't see the point there.

Latest theory to chew on: Goodell knew any sane independent arbitrator would carpet his doghouse with the Wells report, so he had to fix it so that he would hear Brady's appeal.

Great theory. Were Marty McFly and Doc Brown in on it? Because the CBA that the players union agreed to in 2011 specifically says Goodell has the power to hear appeals of player punishment himself (if he chooses to do so).

So unless you think Goodell was planning this back when the CBA was being hammered out in 2011, he didn't have to "fix" anything so that he would hear Brady's appeal, he only had to exercise the right that Brady (and the rest of the NFL players) gave him.

He needed his boy Troy Vincent to dole out the initial punishment so that he could appoint himself as arbitrator for the inevitable appeal.

Troy Vincent is usually not the person deciding lengths of suspensions, draft picks lost, etc., perhaps you've noticed.

It's an obvious play by Goodell. it will be interesting to see what the long term ramifications might be.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What does Tom Brady have in common with 50 Cent, Rex Ryan and Britney Spears? The New EngIand Patriots quarterback has joined the rapper, BuffaIo BiIIs coach and singer as one of the Ieast appeaIing ceIebrities in America, according to the CeIebrity DBI, an independent index that quaIifies and quantifies consumer perception of aImost 3,700 ceIebrities.

CIearIy, the DefIategate report and subsequent four-game suspension contributed to Brady’s dreadfuI figures from the survey compIeted Friday. In a Feb. 5 survey, Brady was hovering more respectabIy among the bottom 20% of ceIebrities in the appeaI category.

That figure dropped to the bottom 3% in the survey compIeted Friday

 

[Jercules]

What does Tom Brady have in common with 50 Cent, Rex Ryan and Britney Spears? The New EngIand Patriots quarterback has joined the rapper, BuffaIo BiIIs coach and singer as one of the Ieast appeaIing ceIebrities in America, according to the CeIebrity DBI, an independent index that quaIifies and quantifies consumer perception of aImost 3,700 ceIebrities.

CIearIy, the DefIategate report and subsequent four-game suspension contributed to Brady’s dreadfuI figures from the survey compIeted Friday. In a Feb. 5 survey, Brady was hovering more respectabIy among the bottom 20% of ceIebrities in the appeaI category.

That figure dropped to the bottom 3% in the survey compIeted Friday

This is really going to tank that new Entourage movie.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh yeah... what about those wonderful fairy-tales posted about those 2 Patriot employees that were fired?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Patsfans....

Should Kraft step down?

1. yes 145 vote(s) 89.5%
2. no 17 vote(s) 10.5%

 

[Old Smiley]

Oh yeah... what about those wonderful fairy-tales posted about those 2 Patriot employees that were fired?

They go in the Ring of Honor along with the guy that plowed snow for the field goal. Why?

Edit: Eff you mode: ENGAGE!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh yeah... what about those wonderful fairy-tales posted about those 2 Patriot employees that were fired?

They go in the Ring of Honor along with the guy that plowed snow for the field goal. Why?

Edit: Eff you mode: ENGAGE!

More fairy-tales. Must be soul crushing. Dang.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Patsfans....

Should Kraft step down?

1. yes 145 vote(s) 89.5%
2. no 17 vote(s) 10.5%

Step down from what? He owns the team.

If you're asking if he should sell, Pats fans might want to consider if they would prefer to go back to the days of the Sullivans, Victor Kiam or James Orthwein, when the franchise was a laughingstock for complete different (and legitimate) reasons.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Patsfans....

Should Kraft step down?

1. yes 145 vote(s) 89.5%
2. no 17 vote(s) 10.5%

Step down from what? He owns the team.

If you're asking if he should sell, Pats fans might want to consider if they would prefer to go back to the days of the Sullivans, Victor Kiam or James Orthwein, when the franchise was a laughingstock for complete different (and legitimate) reasons.

From ownership. The Patfans have no grasp on reality at this point.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Patsfans....

Should Kraft step down?

1. yes 145 vote(s) 89.5%
2. no 17 vote(s) 10.5%

Step down from what? He owns the team.

If you're asking if he should sell, Pats fans might want to consider if they would prefer to go back to the days of the Sullivans, Victor Kiam or James Orthwein, when the franchise was a laughingstock for complete different (and legitimate) reasons.

Kraft has been the best owner of any Boston franchise ever, he saved a dump of a franchise that was on the verge of moving to St. Louis and has transformed them into one of the most valued and successful teams in the league.

######s be ######ing

 

[pghrob]

Bottom line: The Pats* just saved themselves a world of hurt by avoiding Federal court.

Any probability of a Federal probe by an overzealous watchdog from any federal regulators whose laws govern the NFL as an interstate commerce that broadcasts on public airways?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Patsfans....

Should Kraft step down?

1. yes 145 vote(s) 89.5%
2. no 17 vote(s) 10.5%

Step down from what? He owns the team.

If you're asking if he should sell, Pats fans might want to consider if they would prefer to go back to the days of the Sullivans, Victor Kiam or James Orthwein, when the franchise was a laughingstock for complete different (and legitimate) reasons.

From ownership. The Patfans have no grasp on reality at this point.

Speaking as a Pats fan since 1976, many of them don't know anything that happened pre-1994. Then again, you can say that about pretty much any NFL franchise these days. Two decades is a long time.

 

[JohnnyU]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

this is pretty much the reality of it.

is he supposed to sue the league over antitrust like al davis to get his first round pick back?

I don't think he had any legal avenues, and it just drags this nonsense out forever.

Yes, if they were innocent.

No, if they are guilty.

shark pool be sharkin'

What does this really mean? You Pats fans say it multiple times a day.

 

[Run It Up]

Wait, what? Why would Kraft step down? Why would anyone want Kraft to step down?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Wait, what? Why would Kraft step down? Why would anyone want Kraft to step down?

Because he's obviously part of the grand conspiracy to create league parity by bringing the Pats down a notch.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Wait, what? Why would Kraft step down? Why would anyone want Kraft to step down?

Because he took a crap on all things Pats (according to the Pats fans). You should read the numerous threads you guys have at your forums.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Fans on one board are actually rooting for 0-16, Brady to be traded, and BB to quit. NSFW

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894

 

[Run It Up]

Wait, what? Why would Kraft step down? Why would anyone want Kraft to step down?

Because he took a crap on all things Pats (according to the Pats fans). You should read the numerous threads you guys have at your forums.

I don't even know what that means. What forum?

Full disclosure, I'm disappointed, I wanted Kraft to fight the NFL on this - drag it out as much as he could. But he apparently cares more about the league than I do.

The shield leaked information for months, refused to correct that misinformation. #### em.

But Kraft has been imo the best owner in the league in my life time. Hes done so much with his philanthropy (I realize every owner does this.) Going out and getting his guy, Belichick - especially the way he did it, was the best decision hes made in this league. That continues into Brady.

Now we have to wait to see what happens at Brady's appeal. As Kraft said at the owners meeting, Pats fans are never going to agree with equally zealous members on the other side. Thats just the way its going to continue. We can drag the dialogue (if we can all lie to ourselves and call it that) out if we want, but the reality the 2015 season is less than 4 months out - and no one will be spared. You've been given at most a 4 game reprieve and more likely much less than that, prepare yourselves.

Edit: Protip though, I read the other day the o/u for Pats wins is at 9.5 atm. I can't think of easier money. Pats haven't won less than 10 games in what, 15 years?

 

[Flying Elvis]

Kraft 'stepping down' might be the dumbest suggestion in this thread. That is saying quite a lot.

 

[Run It Up]

I am seeing now its split pretty evenly on /r/Patriots. I think its just people being disappointed. To a lot of Pats fans it looks like Kraft chose the image of the league over the image of the Patriots organization.

A lot of people were hoping to be vindicated, thats obviously not gonna happen with the Patriots essentially rolling over and taking it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Fans on one board are actually rooting for 0-16, Brady to be traded, and BB to quit. NSFW

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Fans on one board are actually rooting for 0-16, Brady to be traded, and BB to quit. NSFW

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894

Probably not a representative sample of Patriots fans. I know my team has those sorts in its fan base as well. Still, funny.

 

[rick6668]

Fans on one board are actually rooting for 0-16, Brady to be traded, and BB to quit. NSFW

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894

Now that is hilarious.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Fans on one board are actually rooting for 0-16, Brady to be traded, and BB to quit. NSFW

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894

Probably not a representative sample of Patriots fans. I know my team has those sorts in its fan base as well. Still, funny.

You want/need more similar links from other Pat forums? That represents damn near 90% of their fan base right now.

 

[dutch]

Maybe it is.

They achieved their objective. They created reasonable doubt in their fan's hearts. Had they admitted it, there would be people calling for vacated wins, etc. To some the taint will always be there. But it will soften over time. I doubt it impacts HOF votes for Brady or Belichick. And you guys get to keep all of the trophies.

Get punished again for cheating and this really is going to get ugly.

Having a twisted mind on these types of things, I almost want NE to get caught doing something again so the rumored pantheon of BB evidence on other teams gets released (at least some of it).

I have heard that rumor too. No one wins if all of this gets out there. Even if every team is shown to have dirty laundry, the team with the rings falls the hardest.

My pet peeve as a NE fan is that the Pats probably had what it took to win as often as they have without all the cloak and dagger stuff. So many people will focus on all the extracurricular activities that may or may not have happened and may or may not have given them an advantage. If anything, I think whatever they have been up to gave them a psychological advantage (almost like a placebo) but minimal, if any, advantage on the field. To clarify, that's for the things that we know about in the realm of rules violations. I reserve judgment should other infractions be uncovered that could be categorized as more heinous.

I agree that airing dirty laundry from 32 teams is not a good look for the league, and I think this entire Deflategate fiasco should never have been made public and the league could have kept this all in-house and resolved things internally. But it wasn't so here we are . . .

nothing worse than a poor sport who also happens to be good on the field. The Pats are the team version of Barry Bonds. Both will end up with the accolades they chased but it won't be the universal grand celebration they could've had had they played it straight.