Another good posting. Well said, sir.
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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (7 Viewers)
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
Indy cheated too - 75% of their balls tested were flat
and remember, its already been noted the GB / JAX game (IIRC) they were heating balls on sidelines because it was cold and the balls were losing PSI ( duh )
nobody did anything about that - blatant rule violations
funny how "breaking the rules" is relevant only when its a certain team ... everyone else can do it and no problems.
and remember, its already been noted the GB / JAX game (IIRC) they were heating balls on sidelines because it was cold and the balls were losing PSI ( duh )
nobody did anything about that - blatant rule violations
funny how "breaking the rules" is relevant only when its a certain team ... everyone else can do it and no problems.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
My answer remains the same and on point. But keep gnashing your teeth.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
if Brady gets zero games - will that not basically confirm this was all an NFL witch hunt ?
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When the AEI analysts looked more closely at how such a mistake could have been made, what they found “astonished” them, says the report’s co-author Stan Veuger. The Wells report “relies on an unorthodox statistical procedure at odds with the methodology the report describes.” Translation: The Wells report said it would use one equation but then used a different (and weird) equation to arrive at its numbers.
“It was really clumsy,” Veuger says. “It’s the kind of mistake you’d see in freshman statistics class.”
Another phrase possibly applies to all of this:
Falsifying results.
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Does this mean that Ted Wells has a history of cheating now, and encourages a culture of statistical cheating?
Wells Report*
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If Brady gets zero games, emergency rooms across the country will get flooded by Salty Haters who are having strokes.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
As long as they then go back and revoke the penalties they've already levied upon the Patriots.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
As Mike Tanier says, the traditional Appeal Day present is a stuffed Kangaroo and gavel.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I imagine Brady is going to say look, you have nothing on me, no proof. You did nothing to INDY for having 75% of its balls tested deflated.
My lawyers will destroy you in a court of law if you want to go there.
Goodell will then do what?
My lawyers will destroy you in a court of law if you want to go there.
Goodell will then do what?
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
Goodell will then say that he will take Brady to court and that he will have to give access to his phone and Brady will then say what?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I don't believe they needled the ball any more so than the Colts did Devine Intervention I really don't
Was there something? Sure, like every team, like the Colts did, like Rodgers with GB has admitted doing etc
Brady won't fight it if he thinks his cell phone has evidence on it - that makes no sense
I guess we'll find out in a few hours
If the 4 games is upheld and Brady shows his belly ? Then yeah, I'll have to admit he and Patriots really did go above and beyond to cheat.
If Goodell removes the suspension? Then everyone has to realize there was no blatant cheating by Tom Brady or Patriots.
Can't be both ways
Was there something? Sure, like every team, like the Colts did, like Rodgers with GB has admitted doing etc
Brady won't fight it if he thinks his cell phone has evidence on it - that makes no sense
I guess we'll find out in a few hours
If the 4 games is upheld and Brady shows his belly ? Then yeah, I'll have to admit he and Patriots really did go above and beyond to cheat.
If Goodell removes the suspension? Then everyone has to realize there was no blatant cheating by Tom Brady or Patriots.
Can't be both ways
Warrior
Footballguy
Be able to read Brady's text messages.
That's why Brady will never take this to court. He has a lot to hide and he doesn't want it becoming public record.
Here's a question.
Let's assume Goodell doesn't reduce/void Brady's suspension,
Let's assume Brady sues.
Let's assume that while the case is working it's way through the legal system, Brady requests an injunction, putting his suspension on hold, until the outcome of the case.
Let's assume Brady is granted the injunction.
Let's then assume that the case is settled during the 2015 regular season.
IF Brady's suspension is upheld, the suspension goes into effect. If there are only 3 regular season games left when the suspension kicks in, is Brady suspended for the last 3 games of 2015, and the first game of 2016? Is he suspended for the last 3 games of 2015 and the 1st NE playoff game (assuming the make the playoffs)? Or is he suspended for the last 3 2015 regular season games, the 1st 2016 RS game, and the entire 2015 playoffs?
Now obviously, there are a lot of assumptions there, but I'm curious of how that would work.
If a player is suspended for 4 games, & there aren't 4 RS games left, is he still eligible for the playoffs?
Let's assume Goodell doesn't reduce/void Brady's suspension,
Let's assume Brady sues.
Let's assume that while the case is working it's way through the legal system, Brady requests an injunction, putting his suspension on hold, until the outcome of the case.
Let's assume Brady is granted the injunction.
Let's then assume that the case is settled during the 2015 regular season.
IF Brady's suspension is upheld, the suspension goes into effect. If there are only 3 regular season games left when the suspension kicks in, is Brady suspended for the last 3 games of 2015, and the first game of 2016? Is he suspended for the last 3 games of 2015 and the 1st NE playoff game (assuming the make the playoffs)? Or is he suspended for the last 3 2015 regular season games, the 1st 2016 RS game, and the entire 2015 playoffs?
Now obviously, there are a lot of assumptions there, but I'm curious of how that would work.
If a player is suspended for 4 games, & there aren't 4 RS games left, is he still eligible for the playoffs?
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That's not very nice. I don't think Brady is anywhere near as dumb as you must think he is if you think that will be his defense.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Bill Clinton taught us that is irrelevant
http://deadspin.com/5941442/saints-players-bountygate-suspensions-overturned-on-appeal
lawyers make a difference
Old Smiley
Footballguy
My guess is they drop it to two games, or even one. My guess is that's why Goodell set up the original penalty so it looked like an underling did the deed. So he'd have cover to hide behind when he reduced it.
Seems like the league exists to give Goodell cover.
Whether Brady accepts that, I don't know. Pretty costly to take it to the next level.
Seems like the league exists to give Goodell cover.
Whether Brady accepts that, I don't know. Pretty costly to take it to the next level.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Yes, agree on that. That would be the story.
But, if Brady wants to go further, and takes it to court, then I think the evidentiary burdens shift all around and it gets tough. I think that's why Kraft bailed.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Im sure Brady`s long list of criminal offences will come into play...like his domestic abuse charges ...fights at strip clubs...carrying a concealed weapon charge...drug and alcohol usage and abuse....murder ...what a scumbag....i can see why the league is going after him with a vengeance
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
skinsrule05
Footballguy
This is what doesn't make sense to me. They would have had to of seen the texts if they did an investigation. So why would they flat out deny when they saw their staff did this?
Run It Up
Footballguy
Wells didn't even find the texts until like a month later. They looked at the texts from like the past couple months and didn't find anything, then went another few months back.
Its pretty obvious the Patriots were unaware of the texts cause they would have turned them over had they even remotely suspected something happened - as they did with the video.
Either way, they are taken out of context and presented with a slant. They don't prove anything other than Jastremski and Mcnally being manchildren.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Getting past all the other bs you have posted...when did Ridgers admit he altered game balls after inspection?If he removes it for Brady...it doesn't mean the pats did nothing wrong...your logic sucks.
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Run It Up
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sorry...quick typing on my phone.
and yet it was still a more intelligent post than anything stealthy has posted.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If Brady had no interest or was afraid to go to court, he would not have hired the top attorney that specializes in taking the NFL to court. As far as the expense to pursue this in court, Brady and his wife are worth half a billion dollars. I'm guessing the cost is pocket change to Brady.
As far as the phone communications issue, from what I remember the NFLPA encouraged Brady not to turn over his phone. There are so many points Brady could argue in this case, including the precedent for only fining Brett Favre $50,000 for not turning over his phone in his investigation. I am not so sure Brady has a lot to hide. I think he is more concerned that other private or personal info on his phone doesn't end up on TMZ.
One of Brady's other arguments is that the Wells report mentioned close to nothing of his 7 or 8 hours of interviews/interrogation with Wells. The accuracy, validity, and bias of the Wells report has come into question, and it will be interesting to see if the court system has a different take on it than Goodell will in the NFL appeal hearing.
Also of potential note is that Wells was asked to review what happened to the footballs during the AFCCG, yet it seems to me that they punished Brady and the Pats for other potential incidents or discussion in texts from months earlier. This calls to question what parameters if any were there for the investigation. Could they have gone back 15 years and tried to access information on anything and anything?
To reiterate, not saying Brady and the Pats didn't do anything wrong. Only suggesting maybe they didn't prove it or the penalties were harsh given other penalties handed out for other wrongdoings in the NFL.
The bolded is not correct, IIRC. Brady refused the help of the NFLPA during the Wells investigation. His agent tried to spin his refusal to share copies of specific parts of his cell records as if Brady did it for the rest of the NFLPA, but they weren't involved, at Brady's request.
I understand this POV, to an extent, but seriously how is referring to oneself as the "deflator," taken out of context? Or do you seriously buy the claim that it was part of a weight-loss plan?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
NFL could have said
Colts had 75% tested balls under inflated
Patriots had ( was it 10 of 12 under ?? )
both had under inflated balls - weather impacted that and then told the teams hey - watch it, because we're watching you
but everything happened like it was a Patriots witch hunt, ESPECIALLY the fact that the Colts broke the rules too
Colts had 75% tested balls under inflated
Patriots had ( was it 10 of 12 under ?? )
both had under inflated balls - weather impacted that and then told the teams hey - watch it, because we're watching you
but everything happened like it was a Patriots witch hunt, ESPECIALLY the fact that the Colts broke the rules too
Run It Up
Footballguy
Because we don't know what he is referring to. He could be talking about himself. He could be talking about his job. He could be talking about tampering with gameballs explicitly. He could be talking about having to balance the pressure in the balls because the refs keep over-inflating them.
No one knows. There is no proof of anything, making the assumptions one way or the other, even more dumb.
Proof isn't needed, this isn't a court of law.
Plus, there is one person who could have helped provide some context, but he chose not to, by refusing to share records of his electronic communications. Brady chose not to do so.
Patriots could have said
we realize that our balls were underinflated; we have to review our ball prep to ensure that the balls conform with league rules
but instead they acted like arrogant douches, lied, demanded apologies, refused to fully cooperate with the NFL & brought all of this upon themselves.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
lol
when were Patriots given a CHANCE? they were targeted, crucified and the Colts? Colts laughed all the way home that their balls were deflated too and they didn't even get looked into
amazing fact there that nobody wants to talk about
when were Patriots given a CHANCE? they were targeted, crucified and the Colts? Colts laughed all the way home that their balls were deflated too and they didn't even get looked into
amazing fact there that nobody wants to talk about
Oh, I don't know...how about January 19th?
How about January 21st?
How about January 24th?
How about January 27th?
How about when they refused to allow Wells to re-interview McNally after discovering the "deflator" text?
How about when Brady refused to share copies of his electronic text records?
That's 6 chances, off the top of my head...they literally had the chance EVERY DAY since the AFCC to do what I said. They chose not to, and they brought this on themselves, by thinking they were above the rules, above every other franchise, and above the NFL. If they had possessed even the tiniest shred of humility, and said "we screwed up, in a very minor way," this would have ended months ago. Instead they chose to make the situation much bigger than it needed to be by denying, lying, demanding apologies, refusing to cooperate, etc. They've no one to blame but themselves for how ridiculously overblown this became.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don't disagree with you, but I do question the potential outcome if the Pats said something early on. Let's say they fessed up and said the attendants tinkered with the footballs. Do people really think that would have been the end of it?I suspect the league still would have launched an investigation, there would have been outrage to let Brady and Beichick participate int the SB, and we would have ended up in the same place only with even more salty haters and calls of cheating.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Maybe I'm wrong, but I do believe that if NE had come forth (the earlier the better) and said "we screwed up," this would have blown over very quickly. Perhaps there would have been a small fine, and you would have had the true "salty haters" (how I hate validating that phrase) who still would have called for asterisks and voiding the Pats SB win, but it wouldn't have been nearly as big as it now is.
If they had truly done their own investigation & looked at the two guys they suspended, they could have even had their scapegoats: "these 2 guys did this (all on their own), and we are punishing them for their actions." IMO, that would have been case closed. But instead they got defiant, lied, tried to cover things up, and went on the offensive. They left Goodell no choice. He's already thought of as Kraft's puppet; he couldn't let them off after they'd demanded apologies-it would have looked like Kraft was pulling his puppet strings.
