Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

[moleculo]

lol, the NFLPA's forensics expert was able to review the cell phone Brady used between spring of 2014 and nov 5, 2014 (pg 11) ... if that's true, how is it Brady's habit to destroy his old phones?

 

[pantherclub]

Against all odds, or maybe even impossibly, this story just keeps getting better.

The destroyed cell phone is just the kind of unexpected plot twist that this story needed.

My gut is saying their is stuff on the phone that he doesnt want his wife to see

 

[sho nuff]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

 

[Shutout]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

lol

It's tugging on Superman's cape. There are just certain players that the NFL is going to look like shat against, short of a video showing the person in the act. This leaves too much reason for reasonable doubt in too many people's minds of a very polarizing player for this not to get ugly.

 

[sho nuff]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

lol

It's tugging on Superman's cape. There are just certain players that the NFL is going to look like shat against, short of a video showing the person in the act. This leaves too much reason for reasonable doubt in too many people's minds of a very polarizing player for this not to get ugly.

Brady's image is the one taking the hit here chief.

The NFL continues to be much bigger than him.

 

[moleculo]

Brady and the Pats got off light, IMO.

 

[Bayhawks]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Wells didn't ask to get near the cell. He asked Brady or his lawyer to share copies of texts/emails that were relevant. Brady decided to destroy the phone instead. There was never going to be a stranger going through his cell. This is not a reasonable act of a man who had nothing to hide.

 

[RUSF18]

lol, the NFLPA's forensics expert was able to review the cell phone Brady used between spring of 2014 and nov 5, 2014 (pg 11) ... if that's true, how is it Brady's habit to destroy his old phones?

"Starting.....................NOW!"

 

[RUSF18]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Wells didn't ask to get near the cell. He asked Brady or his lawyer to share copies of texts/emails that were relevant. Brady decided to destroy the phone instead. There was never going to be a stranger going through his cell. This is not a reasonable act of a man who had nothing to hide.

Save it...the talking points for this portion of Pats fans/Goodell haters has already been circulated and can't be stopped.

 

[Shutout]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

Sure he will. He's hiring out the muscle to do the heavy lifting from here on out. It all runs through a middle man. He is 10 times more removed from it now than when he sat in the office across a desk from the commissioner.

There are people who love Brady and there are people who hate him (and the Pats).

People who want to see the evil empire get their come uppance will have their view on it for that reason alone. People who are blind loyalists will too. But their is that group of casual observers who are interested in the process that will be pragmatic enough to watch this and will see and voice that this was a circumstantial witch hunt. Sure, If my boss suspects I am stealing clients for personal gain and asks for my phone, I may break my phone...but there is reasonable doubt that I did it for many reasons other than what is accused. The smoking gun is not a smoking gun in this case and people outside the NFL fanzone will see that on the logical level.

 

[RUSF18]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7m7 minutes ago
Now to comment on potential Brady appeal to federal court: lots of mischaracterizations that this is a winnable process. Not an easy road.

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 6m6 minutes ago
Two problems for appeal: 1) Courts have great deference to established arbitration systems, 2) Brady/NFLPA agreed to CBA, Cmmr as arbitrator

 

[sho nuff]

Just salty haters huh?

There are Pats and Brady fans now calling him out...along with those who may have had respected him in the past.

His days of being a golden boy are over.

He is now a liar and a cheat.

 

[pantherclub]

^^^witch hunt?

Smashing the cell phone not the smoking gun?



Christ dude what planet are you on?

 

[sho nuff]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

Sure he will. He's hiring out the muscle to do the heavy lifting from here on out. It all runs through a middle man. He is 10 times more removed from it now than when he sat in the office across a desk from the commissioner. There are people who love Brady and there are people who hate him (and the Pats).

People who want to see the evil empire get their come uppance will have their view on it for that reason alone. People who are blind loyalists will too. But their is that group of casual observers who are interested in the process that will be pragmatic enough to watch this and will see and voice that this was a circumstantial witch hunt. Sure, If my boss suspects I am stealing clients for personal gain and asks for my phone, I may break my phone...but there is reasonable doubt that I did it for many reasons other than what is accused. The smoking gun is not a smoking gun in this case and people outside the NFL fanzone will see that on the logical level.

Is it hard to type with your head that deep in the sand?

 

[moleculo]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

Sure he will. He's hiring out the muscle to do the heavy lifting from here on out. It all runs through a middle man. He is 10 times more removed from it now than when he sat in the office across a desk from the commissioner.

There are people who love Brady and there are people who hate him (and the Pats).

People who want to see the evil empire get their come uppance will have their view on it for that reason alone. People who are blind loyalists will too. But their is that group of casual observers who are interested in the process that will be pragmatic enough to watch this and will see and voice that this was a circumstantial witch hunt. Sure, If my boss suspects I am stealing clients for personal gain and asks for my phone, I may break my phone...but there is reasonable doubt that I did it for many reasons other than what is accused. The smoking gun is not a smoking gun in this case and people outside the NFL fanzone will see that on the logical level.

reasonable doubt is not the standard needed here. If you destroyed your phone after your boss asked for it, any reasonable observer would find it more likely than not that you have something to hide.

 

[karmarooster]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7m7 minutes ago
Now to comment on potential Brady appeal to federal court: lots of mischaracterizations that this is a winnable process. Not an easy road.

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 6m6 minutes ago
Two problems for appeal: 1) Courts have great deference to established arbitration systems, 2) Brady/NFLPA agreed to CBA, Cmmr as arbitrator

He doesn't have to actually win in court, just delay it until the offseason. 4 games next year is better than 4 games this year from his POV.

 

[dutch]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

Sure he will. He's hiring out the muscle to do the heavy lifting from here on out. It all runs through a middle man. He is 10 times more removed from it now than when he sat in the office across a desk from the commissioner.

There are people who love Brady and there are people who hate him (and the Pats).

People who want to see the evil empire get their come uppance will have their view on it for that reason alone. People who are blind loyalists will too. But their is that group of casual observers who are interested in the process that will be pragmatic enough to watch this and will see and voice that this was a circumstantial witch hunt. Sure, If my boss suspects I am stealing clients for personal gain and asks for my phone, I may break my phone...but there is reasonable doubt that I did it for many reasons other than what is accused. The smoking gun is not a smoking gun in this case and people outside the NFL fanzone will see that on the logical level.

You really believe this??

 

[Gottabesweet]

So now what? Brady has 2143254324 weeks to decide if he wants to appeal, then 5435435325 weeks to set a court date?

 

[moleculo]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7m7 minutes ago
Now to comment on potential Brady appeal to federal court: lots of mischaracterizations that this is a winnable process. Not an easy road.

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 6m6 minutes ago
Two problems for appeal: 1) Courts have great deference to established arbitration systems, 2) Brady/NFLPA agreed to CBA, Cmmr as arbitrator

He doesn't have to actually win in court, just delay it until the offseason. 4 games next year is better than 4 games this year from his POV.

I hope it gets delayed until early January. that would be delicious.

 

[pantherclub]

And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.

Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.

Not really.Brady is guilty as #### and likely too gutless to take it that far.

Sure he will. He's hiring out the muscle to do the heavy lifting from here on out. It all runs through a middle man. He is 10 times more removed from it now than when he sat in the office across a desk from the commissioner.

There are people who love Brady and there are people who hate him (and the Pats).

People who want to see the evil empire get their come uppance will have their view on it for that reason alone. People who are blind loyalists will too. But their is that group of casual observers who are interested in the process that will be pragmatic enough to watch this and will see and voice that this was a circumstantial witch hunt. Sure, If my boss suspects I am stealing clients for personal gain and asks for my phone, I may break my phone...but there is reasonable doubt that I did it for many reasons other than what is accused. The smoking gun is not a smoking gun in this case and people outside the NFL fanzone will see that on the logical level.

reasonable doubt is not the standard needed here. If you destroyed your phone after your boss asked for it, any reasonable observer would find it more likely than not that you have something to hide.

Destroying your cell phone is the epitome of a "smoking gun".

 

[Shutout]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Wells didn't ask to get near the cell. He asked Brady or his lawyer to share copies of texts/emails that were relevant. Brady decided to destroy the phone instead. There was never going to be a stranger going through his cell. This is not a reasonable act of a man who had nothing to hide.

What happens in real life in these scenarios is the side complying gives over info and then the other side keeps coming back asking questions under the guise of "we need more info to make sure this is relevant..how do we know unless we get to see everything so we can decide what is relevant because, you know, you could just be withholding info."

That is absolutely how it works. I have been in the deposition room where a question about when a person first experienced neck pain after the DEFENDENT'S client hit the plaintiff turned into a situation three years down the road where the plaintiff was being asked to turn over every journal, every cell phone, every voice message,..everything they had. It is not about finding the truth. It is about dragging things out and making a person feel their privacy is invaded to the point where they throw their hands up and decide they would rather walk away rather than have their entire life exposed.

Brady and his wife are extremely high profile people. He has more to lose in the collateral damage than the reality. But the NFL has a lot to lose too because if they pick on the guy that the public decides the big bad shield is just trying to go too far and bully, then there is fall out from that. Brady, love him or hate him, is an eternal face of the NFL and the NFL suffers when everyone isn't playing nice.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I can't wait to hear Peter King and other Brady-defenders in the sports media address cellphone thing. That's going to be delicious.

 

[pantherclub]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Wells didn't ask to get near the cell. He asked Brady or his lawyer to share copies of texts/emails that were relevant. Brady decided to destroy the phone instead. There was never going to be a stranger going through his cell. This is not a reasonable act of a man who had nothing to hide.

What happens in real life in these scenarios is the side complying gives over info and then the other side keeps coming back asking questions under the guise of "we need more info to make sure this is relevant..how do we know unless we get to see everything so we can decide what is relevant because, you know, you could just be withholding info."

That is absolutely how it works. I have been in the deposition room where a question about when a person first experienced neck pain after the DEFENDENT'S client hit the plaintiff turned into a situation three years down the road where the plaintiff was being asked to turn over every journal, every cell phone, every voice message,..everything they had. It is not about finding the truth. It is about dragging things out and making a person feel their privacy is invaded to the point where they throw their hands up and decide they would rather walk away rather than have their entire life exposed.

Brady and his wife are extremely high profile people. He has more to lose in the collateral damage than the reality. But the NFL has a lot to lose too because if they pick on the guy that the public decides the big bad shield is just trying to go too far and bully, then there is fall out from that. Brady, love him or hate him, is an eternal face of the NFL and the NFL suffers when everyone isn't playing nice.

I dont think you understand how this thing works.

 

[David Dodds]

Adrian Peterson could not get an injunction, why would Tom Brady?

What harm can happen to Brady if he sits out the games (that money can't be satisfied as relief)?

Tom is sitting the first 4 weeks of the season.

 

[Bayhawks]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7m7 minutes ago

Now to comment on potential Brady appeal to federal court: lots of mischaracterizations that this is a winnable process. Not an easy road.

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 6m6 minutes ago

Two problems for appeal: 1) Courts have great deference to established arbitration systems, 2) Brady/NFLPA agreed to CBA, Cmmr as arbitrator

He doesn't have to actually win in court, just delay it until the offseason. 4 games next year is better than 4 games this year from his POV.

Good point, but that also brings risk. If it gets delayed to the end of the season, those 4 games become 4 games + any playoff games NE plays. 4 games at the beginning of this season is better than 3 games at the end of this season + playoff games.

 

[SIDA!]

I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.

It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.

If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.

do you destroy your phone, or do you put it in your vault?

If he were clean, he could have presented his phone at his hearing, and again at the impending trial. Too bad he's forever unclean.

I destroy all my electronics so that nothing can ever be recovered from any of them.

Being clean in Deflategate does not mean that he doesn't have other stuff on the phone that he doesn't want leaked by the NFL. Because we all know the NFL has a great track record of protecting sensitive information.

Can you imagine the sensitive conversations that are had by a high profile athlete like Tom Brady. No...you really can't. And neither can I. I am a nobody and I do not want people to have records of my communication with anybody.

 

[moleculo]

Against all odds, or maybe even impossibly, this story just keeps getting better.

The destroyed cell phone is just the kind of unexpected plot twist that this story needed.

this truly is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[SIDA!]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...

Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.

I didn't want to go there, but there are a million reasons for wanting to protect privacy.

Absolutely moronic for people to say...well...if he has nothing to hide about deflategate...then why would you hide your phone. Why doesn't Goodell turn over his personal cell phone? Please.

 

[moleculo]

I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.

It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.

If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.

do you destroy your phone, or do you put it in your vault?

If he were clean, he could have presented his phone at his hearing, and again at the impending trial. Too bad he's forever unclean.

I destroy all my electronics so that nothing can ever be recovered from any of them.

Being clean in Deflategate does not mean that he doesn't have other stuff on the phone that he doesn't want leaked by the NFL. Because we all know the NFL has a great track record of protecting sensitive information.

Can you imagine the sensitive conversations that are had by a high profile athlete like Tom Brady. No...you really can't. And neither can I. I am a nobody and I do not want people to have records of my communication with anybody.

but yet the NFLPA's guy was able to examine the phone Brady used between spring and November of 2014. Weird.

 

[Bayhawks]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Wells didn't ask to get near the cell. He asked Brady or his lawyer to share copies of texts/emails that were relevant. Brady decided to destroy the phone instead. There was never going to be a stranger going through his cell. This is not a reasonable act of a man who had nothing to hide.

What happens in real life in these scenarios is the side complying gives over info and then the other side keeps coming back asking questions under the guise of "we need more info to make sure this is relevant..how do we know unless we get to see everything so we can decide what is relevant because, you know, you could just be withholding info." That is absolutely how it works. I have been in the deposition room where a question about when a person first experienced neck pain after the DEFENDENT'S client hit the plaintiff turned into a situation three years down the road where the plaintiff was being asked to turn over every journal, every cell phone, every voice message,..everything they had. It is not about finding the truth. It is about dragging things out and making a person feel their privacy is invaded to the point where they throw their hands up and decide they would rather walk away rather than have their entire life exposed.

Brady and his wife are extremely high profile people. He has more to lose in the collateral damage than the reality. But the NFL has a lot to lose too because if they pick on the guy that the public decides the big bad shield is just trying to go too far and bully, then there is fall out from that. Brady, love him or hate him, is an eternal face of the NFL and the NFL suffers when everyone isn't playing nice.

Take a poll of any non-NE fan after today's news; you'll get a vast majority who DON'T THINK the NFL is unfairly "picking on" Brady. Even if your take on the investigation process is accurate, destroying his cell phone when he knew Wells wanted info off it looks really bad.

 

[moleculo]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...

Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.

I didn't want to go there, but there are a million reasons for wanting to protect privacy.

Absolutely moronic for people to say...well...if he has nothing to hide about deflategate...then why would you hide your phone. Why doesn't Goodell turn over his personal cell phone? Please.

Brady allowed examination of the phone he used before, and the phone he used after. so....

 

[sho nuff]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...

Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.

I didn't want to go there, but there are a million reasons for wanting to protect privacy. Absolutely moronic for people to say...well...if he has nothing to hide about deflategate...then why would you hide your phone. Why doesn't Goodell turn over his personal cell phone? Please.

Because Goodell isn't under investigation for cheating.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bradys lawsuit will be damaging to the shield. Tack on another 2 games.

 

[SIDA!]

I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.

It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.

If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.

do you destroy your phone, or do you put it in your vault?

If he were clean, he could have presented his phone at his hearing, and again at the impending trial. Too bad he's forever unclean.

I destroy all my electronics so that nothing can ever be recovered from any of them.

Being clean in Deflategate does not mean that he doesn't have other stuff on the phone that he doesn't want leaked by the NFL. Because we all know the NFL has a great track record of protecting sensitive information.

Can you imagine the sensitive conversations that are had by a high profile athlete like Tom Brady. No...you really can't. And neither can I. I am a nobody and I do not want people to have records of my communication with anybody.

but yet the NFLPA's guy was able to examine the phone Brady used between spring and November of 2014. Weird.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...

Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.

I didn't want to go there, but there are a million reasons for wanting to protect privacy. Absolutely moronic for people to say...well...if he has nothing to hide about deflategate...then why would you hide your phone. Why doesn't Goodell turn over his personal cell phone? Please.

Because Goodell isn't under investigation for cheating.

You don't recall the Ray Rice situation where the NFL was supposedly in receipt of the videotape of Rice punching his fiancee before it blew up and made national news by TMZ?

 

[David Dodds]

Bradys lawsuit will be damaging to the shield. Tack on another 2 games.

I would like to see double or nothing in the new CBA.

 

[MattFancy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you still get texts that someone was sending/received without the actual cell phone?

 

[moleculo]

• November 6, 2014: Brady got a new phone.
• mid Febuary - the Wells team requested electronic information from Brady.
• Feb 28: request was renewed.
• March 3: Brady interview date confirmed.
• March 6th (or 5th): phone destroyed, Brady gets new phone.
• March 6: Brady inverviewed by Wells.

During interview, Brady testified that he was personally aware of the request for info from his phone. Brady did not mention during the interview that his phone was (or will be) destroyed.

pg 12, 13

 

[sho nuff]

I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.

It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.

If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.

do you destroy your phone, or do you put it in your vault?

If he were clean, he could have presented his phone at his hearing, and again at the impending trial. Too bad he's forever unclean.

I destroy all my electronics so that nothing can ever be recovered from any of them.

Being clean in Deflategate does not mean that he doesn't have other stuff on the phone that he doesn't want leaked by the NFL. Because we all know the NFL has a great track record of protecting sensitive information.

Can you imagine the sensitive conversations that are had by a high profile athlete like Tom Brady. No...you really can't. And neither can I. I am a nobody and I do not want people to have records of my communication with anybody.

but yet the NFLPA's guy was able to examine the phone Brady used between spring and November of 2014. Weird.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...

Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.

I didn't want to go there, but there are a million reasons for wanting to protect privacy. Absolutely moronic for people to say...well...if he has nothing to hide about deflategate...then why would you hide your phone. Why doesn't Goodell turn over his personal cell phone? Please.

Because Goodell isn't under investigation for cheating.

You don't recall the Ray Rice situation where the NFL was supposedly in receipt of the videotape of Rice punching his fiancee before it blew up and made national news by TMZ?

Sure...so that's the same to you?

Congrats

 

[matttyl]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.

Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone?

I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

 

[SIDA!]

I am not going to sit here and make an argument that deciding not to let the NFL view your phone after you already did previously doesn't look bad. Sure, it could be painted that he was hiding something. Point given.

But voluntarily doing something doesn't preclude you from revoking permission at a later date.

After the NFL has basically handled numerous high profile issues in the past...I would not feel confident or comfortable giving stuff voluntarily out to an organization that is looking to screw me over. Or are we under the pretense that Goodell was only motivated to find the truth and to do the right thing?

 

[sho nuff]

This is a new defense...odd at that.

 

[moleculo]

I am not going to sit here and make an argument that deciding not to let the NFL view your phone after you already did previously doesn't look bad. Sure, it could be painted that he was hiding something. Point given.

But voluntarily doing something doesn't preclude you from revoking permission at a later date.

After the NFL has basically handled numerous high profile issues in the past...I would not feel confident or comfortable giving stuff voluntarily out to an organization that is looking to screw me over. Or are we under the pretense that Goodell was only motivated to find the truth and to do the right thing?

huh?

 

[SIDA!]

Sho nuff....

Just a few months ago...people were speculating that Goodell would not survive and be fired. People were hollering and demanding to know when the league knew about the videotape. The league claimed they heard there was a tape but didn't see it or have possession of it.

Are you honestly going to sit here and say that you don't think there is any hypocrisy in the league demanding Brady's personal cell phone while not turning over personal cell phones of higher ups in the league?

 

[Workhorse]

Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 4m4 minutes ago
Sources just told me Brady camp will definitely be filing for an injunction to put the four game suspension on hold.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

• November 6, 2014: Brady got a new phone.
• mid Febuary - the Wells team requested electronic information from Brady.
• Feb 28: request was renewed.
• March 3: Brady interview date confirmed.
• March 6th (or 5th): phone destroyed, Brady gets new phone.
• March 6: Brady inverviewed by Wells.

During interview, Brady testified that he was personally aware of the request for info from his phone. Brady did not mention during the interview that his phone was (or will be) destroyed.

pg 12, 13

HOLY ####BALLS!

 

[alvarndc]

It is really funny looking at some of the comments here.

This is as open and shut as it can possibly be.

1. Brady has NO standing in a court. The players agreement essentially signs over all authority to the Commissioner.

2. Brady SHOULD NOT have any standing, bc this report gives any reasonable person the view that he is actively lying and actively obstructing an investigation. No one can defend destroying a cell phone when it has been asked for legitimately, and valid protections are offered for how it will be interrogated.

3. Anyone offering the opinion that "of course Brady should be a.lowed to destroy his phone" needs to come up with a good explanation for why the phones in use immediately before and after the time period in question were still available, ie were NOT destroyed. Brady is clearly lying.

I am surmised they did not increase the suspension actually. This is a s bad as it can possibly be for Brady's case. The coverup is always worse than the crime.

 

[Workhorse]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.

Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone?

I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

I wouldn't do that in a million years. Some of the jokes I've made with buddies via text could be taken out of context (or worse, in context) and would have ugly consequences.

 

[SIDA!]

I am not going to sit here and make an argument that deciding not to let the NFL view your phone after you already did previously doesn't look bad. Sure, it could be painted that he was hiding something. Point given.

But voluntarily doing something doesn't preclude you from revoking permission at a later date.

After the NFL has basically handled numerous high profile issues in the past...I would not feel confident or comfortable giving stuff voluntarily out to an organization that is looking to screw me over. Or are we under the pretense that Goodell was only motivated to find the truth and to do the right thing?

huh?

What part of giving or allowing something voluntarily and then revoking that is hard to understand.

I might give access to my property to someone and then revoke that access (assuming there isn't a permanent easement). I might allow someone to borrow my car and then tell them they can no longer borrow my car, etc.

If I do X today...I am not required to do X in the future or forever.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The NFL is not messing around. They've already preempted Brady and the NfLPA by filing a pleading with the federal court to confirm the NFL's decision.

 

[Old Smiley]

I am not going to sit here and make an argument that deciding not to let the NFL view your phone after you already did previously doesn't look bad. Sure, it could be painted that he was hiding something. Point given.

But voluntarily doing something doesn't preclude you from revoking permission at a later date.

Aftert he NFL has basically handled numerous high profile issues in the past...I would not feel confident or comfortable giving stuff voluntarily out to an organization that is looking to screw me over. Or are we under the pretense that Goodell was only motivated to find the truth and to do the right thing?

huh?

I'm guessing he meant "...the NFL has basically handled bungled numerous high profile issues in the past.